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[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I thought this week's episode would get a little further into the husband than what it did.

Me too. Teasing us I guess. I liked last week's head in a box/Swan Lake episode, but this week wasn't that good. A teenage boy hacker steals some device and blacks out all of DC just to make a romantic gesture some a HS girl?

The story was titled Ivan, No. 88. But Ivan had nothing to do with the story, nor did they catch him. However, Red did get Ivan to refund his $$ with interest so maybe that was why Ivan was on his "black list" the whole time. But IMO it was a relatively boring episode, other than Tom punching Lizzie in the face and her not getting mad at him.

The crime was pretty much a side-story to the real Lizzie and Tom plot.

 

[blend]

I thought this week's episode would get a little further into the husband than what it did.

Me too. Teasing us I guess. I liked last week's head in a box/Swan Lake episode, but this week wasn't that good. A teenage boy hacker steals some device and blacks out all of DC just to make a romantic gesture some a HS girl?

The story was titled Ivan, No. 88. But Ivan had nothing to do with the story, nor did they catch him. However, Red did get Ivan to refund his $$ with interest so maybe that was why Ivan was on his "black list" the whole time. But IMO it was a relatively boring episode, other than Tom punching Lizzie in the face and her not getting mad at him.

The crime was pretty much a side-story to the real Lizzie and Tom plot.

And I'm trying to remember... Has Lizzie ever directly asked Red if he was her Dad? I remember in this episode, him saying I have never lied to you (or somethign to that effect)... Has she specifically asked him??? Or does she figure it out from the final scene?

 

[Billy Bats]

I thought this week's episode would get a little further into the husband than what it did.

Me too. Teasing us I guess. I liked last week's head in a box/Swan Lake episode, but this week wasn't that good. A teenage boy hacker steals some device and blacks out all of DC just to make a romantic gesture some a HS girl?

The story was titled Ivan, No. 88. But Ivan had nothing to do with the story, nor did they catch him. However, Red did get Ivan to refund his $$ with interest so maybe that was why Ivan was on his "black list" the whole time. But IMO it was a relatively boring episode, other than Tom punching Lizzie in the face and her not getting mad at him.

The crime was pretty much a side-story to the real Lizzie and Tom plot.

And I'm trying to remember... Has Lizzie ever directly asked Red if he was her Dad? I remember in this episode, him saying I have never lied to you (or somethign to that effect)... Has she specifically asked him??? Or does she figure it out from the final scene?

She did early on, episode 3 maybe, and he said no.

 

[Billy Bats]

So going back to last weeks episode when Red was consoling FBI guy for losing his ex-gf, then Red goes to the ballet and has a flashback to a little girl dancing. I took that to mean that the little girl died since he was so emotional when talking to FBI guy about dealing with his loss. Mrs Bats thinks the little girl in the ballet was Lizzie, but I don't buy it. Not sure who the little girl would be, but I didn't think it was Lizzie.

 

[Jayrok]

So going back to last weeks episode when Red was consoling FBI guy for losing his ex-gf, then Red goes to the ballet and has a flashback to a little girl dancing. I took that to mean that the little girl died since he was so emotional when talking to FBI guy about dealing with his loss. Mrs Bats thinks the little girl in the ballet was Lizzie, but I don't buy it. Not sure who the little girl would be, but I didn't think it was Lizzie.

I think it was Red's daughter. Not sure if she died but he was taken out of their lives. The brochure for the Swan Lake performance that he was holding was from 1987. He probably wasn't able to attend his daughter's recital back then and was thinking about her while he watched the performers on stage. He insisted that the performance be on the 22nd, probably the anniversary of the 1987 performance in which he missed.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

So going back to last weeks episode when Red was consoling FBI guy for losing his ex-gf, then Red goes to the ballet and has a flashback to a little girl dancing. I took that to mean that the little girl died since he was so emotional when talking to FBI guy about dealing with his loss. Mrs Bats thinks the little girl in the ballet was Lizzie, but I don't buy it. Not sure who the little girl would be, but I didn't think it was Lizzie.

I think it was Red's daughter. Not sure if she died but he was taken out of their lives. The brochure for the Swan Lake performance that he was holding was from 1987. He probably wasn't able to attend his daughter's recital back then and was thinking about her while he watched the performers on stage. He insisted that the performance be on the 22nd, probably the anniversary of the 1987 performance in which he missed.

I'm thinking Red glommed onto protecting Lizzie as sort of a replacement for his own daughter, since he knew her dad.

 

[bigbottom]

So going back to last weeks episode when Red was consoling FBI guy for losing his ex-gf, then Red goes to the ballet and has a flashback to a little girl dancing. I took that to mean that the little girl died since he was so emotional when talking to FBI guy about dealing with his loss. Mrs Bats thinks the little girl in the ballet was Lizzie, but I don't buy it. Not sure who the little girl would be, but I didn't think it was Lizzie.

I think it was Red's daughter. Not sure if she died but he was taken out of their lives. The brochure for the Swan Lake performance that he was holding was from 1987. He probably wasn't able to attend his daughter's recital back then and was thinking about her while he watched the performers on stage. He insisted that the performance be on the 22nd, probably the anniversary of the 1987 performance in which he missed.

I'm guessing his daughter is also the girl in the photo he took from the Stewmaker's photo album (meaning, she's dead).

 

[stbugs]

So is Red her dad or not? Seems pretty definitive from that last scene that he is, but as posted above he said he never lied and did say he wasn't before. Then again, why kill her "dad" so he wouldn't spill the secret.

My only thought is that he wanted her to find out that her husband was bad first so that she would trust Red and he could pull out the song she remembered.

I just can't see any other relationship with the way he was kissing her head, that isn't a friend of her real dad's type of move.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Lizzie keeps remembering a fire. Maybe Red caused the fire that killed her real dad and he feels responsibility.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I do think there's at least a 50% chance that writers really haven't figured it out yet.

 

[stbugs]

Lizzie keeps remembering a fire. Maybe Red caused the fire that killed her real dad and he feels responsibility.

Seems more likely Red is her dad. I could have the facts wrong, but my thought is that Lizzie had an older sister that the stewmaker killed and that made Red go dark. Maybe he caused a fire to cover Lizzie's fake death and had his friend raise her to keep her safe and out of the spying life he made. Again, I could easily have the facts wrong, but the final scene IMHO painted him as her dad and her realizing who he was.

 

[blend]

Lizzie keeps remembering a fire. Maybe Red caused the fire that killed her real dad and he feels responsibility.

Seems more likely Red is her dad. I could have the facts wrong, but my thought is that Lizzie had an older sister that the stewmaker killed and that made Red go dark. Maybe he caused a fire to cover Lizzie's fake death and had his friend raise her to keep her safe and out of the spying life he made. Again, I could easily have the facts wrong, but the final scene IMHO painted him as her dad and her realizing who he was.

This seems plausible to me. I hadn't thought of that.

 

[blend]

Not a lot of new material in last nights episode. I do like how both of them (Lizzie and Tom) are going along with the facade though.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Not a lot of new material in last nights episode. I do like how both of them (Lizzie and Tom) are going along with the facade though.

I appreciate that she'll have sex with someone that she doesn't even like.

 

[Billy Bats]

Why did they waste time gathering info on the brother instead of figuring out who Tom was right away?

 

[blend]

Why did they waste time gathering info on the brother instead of figuring out who Tom was right away?

Oh and didn't Red have quite a bit of information on the "handler" woman -- Jolene??? Can't remember her name the one who was pretending to be a substitute teacher and Tom killed in his warehouse with the guy that Red hired to follow her. I know Red's guy reported in a couple of times to Red about her. Figure he must have some info about her.

 

[Billy Bats]

Why did they waste time gathering info on the brother instead of figuring out who Tom was right away?

Oh and didn't Red have quite a bit of information on the "handler" woman -- Jolene??? Can't remember her name the one who was pretending to be a substitute teacher and Tom killed in his warehouse with the guy that Red hired to follow her. I know Red's guy reported in a couple of times to Red about her. Figure he must have some info about her.

Yea he looked her up on a computer when she first showed up, even had me thinking he sent her in to gather intel on Tom.

 

[Aerial Assault]

In the "fall finale," "Anslo Garrick, Conclusion," after Red killed Garrick and escaped from the facility where he was held and tortured, Red called Liz from a pay phone in New York City to tell her he'd be gone a while (killing everyone who had a hand in his abduction, as we later found out). He also warned her to be careful of Tom and she asked him directly whether she was her father. He answered no straight up without equivocation. I think he was telling the truth; there have been ample clues (like the ballet) that his daughter is dead, and no one, including the FBI, Alda, and Dead Diane, has ever raised the idea that Liz is his daughter. I think she's a surrogate or perhaps his niece.

I thought this ep was great. I absolutely cannot wait until Liz shoots Tom's face off.

 

[blend]

Interesting episode. curious what was in the safe deposit box that showed Red is a bad guy...well, bad for Liz.

 

[Jayrok]

My first thought was it was a picture of Red smothering Liz's father (or who she thought of as her father) in the hospital bed. But with editing it's difficult to determine anything in the previews for next week. Either way, it's interesting that Tom told her that he was the good guy and Red isn't who she thinks he is. Still a great show.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Lizzie keeps remembering a fire. Maybe Red caused the fire that killed her real dad and he feels responsibility.

Seems more likely Red is her dad. I could have the facts wrong, but my thought is that Lizzie had an older sister that the stewmaker killed and that made Red go dark. Maybe he caused a fire to cover Lizzie's fake death and had his friend raise her to keep her safe and out of the spying life he made. Again, I could easily have the facts wrong, but the final scene IMHO painted him as her dad and her realizing who he was.

I thought the scene last year where the guy who raised Lizzie was definitive in that Red was her dad and that he raised her because Red was in prison.

 

[tjnc09]

One of the worst episodes imo

Why is she working on Tom's keys right in front of him?

Tom stays home knowing she saw him at the Archive, Liz finally gets home, then he decides to flee after "walking the dog". Why not flee BEFORE she gets home?

Liz is going to blabber on the phone while she knows Tom is some kind of trained agent allowing him to escape

It's a good show, but really poor writing that episode.

 

[Vike Me]

If the FBI were really as inept as in this show I'd be robbing a bank tomorrow.

 

[Fennis]

My first thought was it was a picture of Red smothering Liz's father (or who she thought of as her father) in the hospital bed. But with editing it's difficult to determine anything in the previews for next week. Either way, it's interesting that Tom told her that he was the good guy and Red isn't who she thinks he is. Still a great show.

I think its a pic of Red killing her real father.

 

[Fennis]

It's a good show, but really poor writing that episode.

Outside of James Spader's character, most episodes are not written all that well IMO.

 

[ATC1]

Finally caught up, so I can read and post here. I think it is a photo of Jolene and Red together. Red killed her real parents with the fire and a daughter that died Liz's age, so he feels responsible for her. I think Tom was placed in Liz life when the inside people (Alan Alda's character) found Red's fascination with Liz.

 

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i didn't last nights episode... seemed rushed to me. Feels liek they are trying to jam everything in and before the finale next week.

 

[Billy Bats]

How come Berlin isn't number1 on the black list? Underrated at #8 IMO.

 

[Mjolnirs]

i didn't last nights episode... seemed rushed to me. Feels liek they are trying to jam everything in and before the finale next week.

agreed

 

[blend]

Odd finale.

Is Spader trying to channel his inner Obi Wan Kenobi when he told Luke that Darth Vader killed your father?

Him telling Lizzie that her father died in that fire when she was a kid?? Maybe the night of the fire was when "raymond reddington" was created???

Either way, I was pretty disappointed with the finale.

Anyone know if this was picked up for another season?

 

[Anarchy99]

It was renewed over 3 months ago. But will move to Thursdays next season.

 

[Vike Me]

Hey let's go take down the Russian Badies in a noisy club, just the two of us. Oh, by the way we're all on a hit list. Oh, and let's split up too!

Worst FBI ever.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

i hope him being burned was a red herring. it'll be lame, if he really is her dad. i'm hoping he set the fire or was an intended victim, just not her dad.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

can't wait for red to put a bullet into hipster hubby

and are we to understand that this giant douschenozzle got away and will be back? LAME

 

[thecatch]

i hope him being burned was a red herring. it'll be lame, if he really is her dad. i'm hoping he set the fire or was an intended victim, just not her dad.

I see what you're saying, but to me having Raymond not be her dad creates it own set of problems. Why else would he possibly be so invested in her?

Finale was OK, wasn't thrilled with how they punted on wrapping up some of the storylines, but it could have been worse.

 

[skol asylum]

Hey let's go take down the Russian Badies in a noisy club, just the two of us. Oh, by the way we're all on a hit list. Oh, and let's split up too!

Worst FBI ever.

Obviously you've never watched the Following. If you were watching that show not only would they be alone but they'd give up their guns and climb into the bad guys trunk.

 

[Billy Bats]

can't wait for red to put a bullet into hipster hubby

and are we to understand that this giant douschenozzle got away and will be back? LAME

Terrible. If it was a real show she would've put one in his head. Add in the boss survives a strangling that almost decpaitated him, and I'm getting bored. A shame they're wasting Spader with this nonsense.

 

[bshell27]

How about the BA husband with a clear shot on Red and could only give him a flesh wound?

Spoiler

Just my opinion, but she is a horrible actress. Loved the cheesy acting after the gun went off, trying to sell that she was the one who was shot.

 

[walnutz]

Couple of things i thought were interesting ---

The picture in the watch that Berlin looks at is his daughter. The picture that Red has with the #78 on it that he took from the guy who made people disappear is Berlins daughter. So they are tied together by the murder of Berlins daughter. I don't know why Red has an interest in having that picture.

I am still not in the camp of Red being Lizzies father. Maybe he was there that night and he pulled Lizzie and her dad out of the fire. Maybe her dad was tied to the Russian Berlin somehow and he is pissed that Red got them out. I dunno.

I do call BS on Tom still being alive. 2 to the gut point blank and they guy was abe to get out of there. No way.

I thoguht the finale was pretty decent. Was it a little rushed maybe but overall it was decent. I am still in and i don't think the actress who portrays Lizzie is that awful. Could be better but not the worst out there. I mean she is not trapped by a mountain lion in the woods screaming for help or aything.

 

[Jayrok]

I thought the finale was decent enough. My thought on Tom not being there when CSI found the room is maybe Liz pulled him out of there and saved him. She looked sorry when he was shot and may have decided to save him after he whispered into her ear, if for nothing else, to find out what he knows about her father. When Red said her father was dead, Lizzie gave him a look like, yeah that's what you said before. But now she has Tom who apparently knows of her father as well.

 

[Jayrok]

Is Spader trying to channel his inner Obi Wan Kenobi when he told Luke that Darth Vader killed your father?

Him telling Lizzie that her father died in that fire when she was a kid?? Maybe the night of the fire was when "raymond reddington" was created???

Maybe and Maybe. But that seems too cheesy.

I think her real father is the one who killed Berlin's daughter in a brutal fashion and Berlin doesn't yet know that Lizzie is alive and his target of rage's daughter. He would certainly like to get his hands on her for revenge. Red pulled Lizzie from the fire but not her father.

Red knew about Berlin's daughter (thus he had the picture) he just didn't know who Berlin actually was. He doesn't want Lizzie to know about her father because he had a brutal past and he knows Berlin will be after her because of it if he finds out she exists. If she knew her father's past she would seek answers and get herself killed. Red picked Sam to raise Lizzie because he couldn't due to his business dealings/life style. He wanted a normal life for her.

 

[Northern Voice]

Is Spader trying to channel his inner Obi Wan Kenobi when he told Luke that Darth Vader killed your father?

Him telling Lizzie that her father died in that fire when she was a kid?? Maybe the night of the fire was when "raymond reddington" was created???

Maybe and Maybe. But that seems too cheesy.

I think her real father is the one who killed Berlin's daughter in a brutal fashion and Berlin doesn't yet know that Lizzie is alive and his target of rage's daughter. He would certainly like to get his hands on her for revenge. Red pulled Lizzie from the fire but not her father.

Doesn't this idea kind of ignore Berlin sending Tom to infiltrate Lizzie's life for 3 years and Tom having so much info re: Lizzie's father and connections to Red.

 

[Jayrok]

I am still not in the camp of Red being Lizzies father. Maybe he was there that night and he pulled Lizzie and her dad out of the fire. Maybe her dad was tied to the Russian Berlin somehow and he is pissed that Red got them out. I dunno.

Maybe Red set the fire to kill her father (for having an affair with his wife) but didn't realize there was a little girl in the house. Lizzie's mother was Red's wife but her father got with her when Red left... or was taken from his family. Red once worked with Liz's father for CIA/special OPS and were friends.. until he found out about the affair. Berlin attacks Red's organization because of that association with Lizzies father (who brutally murdered his daughter) but Berlin doesn't know there is a daughter... yet. Red didn't know why Berlin was attacking his organization but is piecing it together that the girl in the photo, who Lizzie's father murdered, is actually Berlin's daughter. So it is a vendetta and Red wants to save Liz from the same fate as Berlin's daughter.

Or I could just be full of crap. :spitballing:

 

[Jayrok]

Is Spader trying to channel his inner Obi Wan Kenobi when he told Luke that Darth Vader killed your father?

Him telling Lizzie that her father died in that fire when she was a kid?? Maybe the night of the fire was when "raymond reddington" was created???

Maybe and Maybe. But that seems too cheesy.

I think her real father is the one who killed Berlin's daughter in a brutal fashion and Berlin doesn't yet know that Lizzie is alive and his target of rage's daughter. He would certainly like to get his hands on her for revenge. Red pulled Lizzie from the fire but not her father.

Doesn't this idea kind of ignore Berlin sending Tom to infiltrate Lizzie's life for 3 years and Tom having so much info re: Lizzie's father and connections to Red.

yeah.. you're right.

 

[BigJim®]

Hey let's go take down the Russian Badies in a noisy club, just the two of us. Oh, by the way we're all on a hit list. Oh, and let's split up too!

Worst FBI ever.

Fun show, but have to agree with this. The portrayal of FBI incompetence throughout this season is a little difficult to buy into.

 

[ATC1]

Is Spader trying to channel his inner Obi Wan Kenobi when he told Luke that Darth Vader killed your father?

Him telling Lizzie that her father died in that fire when she was a kid?? Maybe the night of the fire was when "raymond reddington" was created???

Maybe and Maybe. But that seems too cheesy.

I think her real father is the one who killed Berlin's daughter in a brutal fashion and Berlin doesn't yet know that Lizzie is alive and his target of rage's daughter. He would certainly like to get his hands on her for revenge. Red pulled Lizzie from the fire but not her father.

Doesn't this idea kind of ignore Berlin sending Tom to infiltrate Lizzie's life for 3 years and Tom having so much info re: Lizzie's father and connections to Red.

I like the idea, but this along with Berlin using Liz to get to Red when he found out that Liz was his only weakness. So, Red is the intended target.

 

[Jayrok]

Is Spader trying to channel his inner Obi Wan Kenobi when he told Luke that Darth Vader killed your father?

Him telling Lizzie that her father died in that fire when she was a kid?? Maybe the night of the fire was when "raymond reddington" was created???

Maybe and Maybe. But that seems too cheesy.

I think her real father is the one who killed Berlin's daughter in a brutal fashion and Berlin doesn't yet know that Lizzie is alive and his target of rage's daughter. He would certainly like to get his hands on her for revenge. Red pulled Lizzie from the fire but not her father.

Doesn't this idea kind of ignore Berlin sending Tom to infiltrate Lizzie's life for 3 years and Tom having so much info re: Lizzie's father and connections to Red.

I like the idea, but this along with Berlin using Liz to get to Red when he found out that Liz was his only weakness. So, Red is the intended target.

But that doesn't mean Berlin has to know who Lizzie's real father is. He may know her as Sam's child who has ties to Red. If he knew Lizzie was the daughter of the man who killed his daughter, he would likely have kidnapped/killed her a long time ago.

Red's comment that Liz would be in grave danger if she (& other people) knew who her real dad was is odd.. meaning she isn't in grave danger now?

If Berlin wanted to use Liz to get to Red why not just kidnap her and bring Red in? It's possible he is in search for his daughter's killer and he knows Red knows who it is but also knows Red won't talk. But why the need to send Tom to marry Liz, and so forth? I don't know.

 

[Kev4029]

I am still not in the camp of Red being Lizzies father. Maybe he was there that night and he pulled Lizzie and her dad out of the fire. Maybe her dad was tied to the Russian Berlin somehow and he is pissed that Red got them out. I dunno.

Maybe Red set the fire to kill her father (for having an affair with his wife) but didn't realize there was a little girl in the house. Lizzie's mother was Red's wife but her father got with her when Red left... or was taken from his family. Red once worked with Liz's father for CIA/special OPS and were friends.. until he found out about the affair. Berlin attacks Red's organization because of that association with Lizzies father (who brutally murdered his daughter) but Berlin doesn't know there is a daughter... yet. Red didn't know why Berlin was attacking his organization but is piecing it together that the girl in the photo, who Lizzie's father murdered, is actually Berlin's daughter. So it is a vendetta and Red wants to save Liz from the same fate as Berlin's daughter.

Or I could just be full of crap. :spitballing:

Or maybe, Lizzie is Berlin's daughter, who Red kidnapped. Instead of sending pieces of Berlin's daughter to him, he sent pieces of somebody else.

 

[Jayrok]

I am still not in the camp of Red being Lizzies father. Maybe he was there that night and he pulled Lizzie and her dad out of the fire. Maybe her dad was tied to the Russian Berlin somehow and he is pissed that Red got them out. I dunno.

Maybe Red set the fire to kill her father (for having an affair with his wife) but didn't realize there was a little girl in the house. Lizzie's mother was Red's wife but her father got with her when Red left... or was taken from his family. Red once worked with Liz's father for CIA/special OPS and were friends.. until he found out about the affair. Berlin attacks Red's organization because of that association with Lizzies father (who brutally murdered his daughter) but Berlin doesn't know there is a daughter... yet. Red didn't know why Berlin was attacking his organization but is piecing it together that the girl in the photo, who Lizzie's father murdered, is actually Berlin's daughter. So it is a vendetta and Red wants to save Liz from the same fate as Berlin's daughter.

Or I could just be full of crap. :spitballing:

Or maybe, Lizzie is Berlin's daughter, who Red kidnapped. Instead of sending pieces of Berlin's daughter to him, he sent pieces of somebody else.

Berlin is probably Liz's grandfather and the pieces sent to him were Red's wife... sent by Alan Alda's group.

 

[Northern Voice]

I am still not in the camp of Red being Lizzies father. Maybe he was there that night and he pulled Lizzie and her dad out of the fire. Maybe her dad was tied to the Russian Berlin somehow and he is pissed that Red got them out. I dunno.

Maybe Red set the fire to kill her father (for having an affair with his wife) but didn't realize there was a little girl in the house. Lizzie's mother was Red's wife but her father got with her when Red left... or was taken from his family. Red once worked with Liz's father for CIA/special OPS and were friends.. until he found out about the affair. Berlin attacks Red's organization because of that association with Lizzies father (who brutally murdered his daughter) but Berlin doesn't know there is a daughter... yet. Red didn't know why Berlin was attacking his organization but is piecing it together that the girl in the photo, who Lizzie's father murdered, is actually Berlin's daughter. So it is a vendetta and Red wants to save Liz from the same fate as Berlin's daughter.

Or I could just be full of crap. :spitballing:

Or maybe, Lizzie is Berlin's daughter, who Red kidnapped. Instead of sending pieces of Berlin's daughter to him, he sent pieces of somebody else.

Berlin is probably Liz's grandfather and the pieces sent to him were Red's wife... sent by Alan Alda's group.

Berlin is likely the grandfather. I'm not sure if that means Red is the one the daughter fell in love with or not (but he clearly wanted her picture from the stewmaker, and both he and Berlin are connected to whoever that is in the photo). The thing about it is Lizzie lived with her mom for a few years after the fire right? So, it wasn't pieces of Lizzie's mother who were sent to Berlin (plus the stewmaker didn't cut pieces, he melted them all down).