Bloom, you're killing me! (1 Viewer)

[Football Daddy]

First. let me say I love reading your 2nd opinion projections because I have great respect for your FF expertise and find my self often agreeing with your judgment. I like your courage to champion certain players on a given week much higher then the majority of prognosticators.

I had my line up all set in my mind for this week and expected to be validated with your projections. Mostly OK, but then I was surprised on one and floored on the other. The second opinion in particular has me searching to figure out what I am missing.

I worried NYG D was going to be a tough nut to crack for Brees and decided to go with McNabb this week. You not only don't agree but have McNabb vs Oak as the 13th best QB this week. OK, arguable with Brees being Brees and perhaps McNabb takes it easy after 3 qtrs of beating up on the hapless Raiders.

But, what am I missing on this next one?

Andre Johnson is only the 26th best WR play this week?!? You even have Walter ahead of him. Is Cincy D that good? Is there a lock down DB I don't know about? I was starting Andre, Roddy, and Jennings or MS-W. You advise Roddy, Jennings and MS-W in a landslide. OK, but can you give me a glimpse into that sophisticated football mind of yours and help us AJ owners understand why he should be on our bench (at least in my case)?

If SB is too busy to answer does anybody else have an idea why AJ is such a poor play this week? Help solve this mystery for me...

 

[Doctor Detroit]

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[MAC_32]

Simply put, Cincy shuts down opposing #1's.

I'm benching Johnson for Royal in both leagues I own Johnson in.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Cincy has been repeatedly shutting down opposing team's #1 WRs. Leon Hall has been outstanding this year, and #2 WRs have been getting much more love vs Cincy.

 

[Football Daddy]

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Thanks Doc. I just had no idea they were this good on WR1. I should have because I had Jennings in on the big goose egg. I just thought it was the porous GB OL. Hmmm, benching my #1 pick for a hopefully humbled MS-W. Gotta do some research on this...

 

[Aardvarks]

Andre Johnson is a heathen hell-beast... so while I totally respect the Bengals defense, I couldn't bench AJ unless you held my wife at gunpoint. And even then...

 

[SSOG]

Cincy has been repeatedly shutting down opposing team's #1 WRs. Leon Hall has been outstanding this year, and #2 WRs have been getting much more love vs Cincy.

Leon Hall got abused by Mohammad Massoquai. I like Andre's chances.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Cincy has been repeatedly shutting down opposing team's #1 WRs. Leon Hall has been outstanding this year, and #2 WRs have been getting much more love vs Cincy.

Leon Hall got abused by Mohammad Massoquai. I like Andre's chances.

Hall, Joseph, whoever. #s don't lie. Players or scheme, #1s have been SHUT DOWN. I feel good starting Walter this week.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Cincy has been repeatedly shutting down opposing team's #1 WRs. Leon Hall has been outstanding this year, and #2 WRs have been getting much more love vs Cincy.

Leon Hall got abused by Mohammad Massoquai. I like Andre's chances.

I wouldn't say abused. Hall had man coverage with no help for much of the day as the safties spied Edwards and Massoquai ran some nice routes. Hall looked great on Holmes when they played Pittsburgh, and held Driver in check when they played the Packers. Hall plays the Z receiver so you can expect Andre Johnson will be lining up across from him some. That said, I'd play Andre Johnson against any NFL corner and take my chances. Leon Hall although having an outstanding season, is no Lester Hayes.

 

[SSOG]

I wouldn't say abused. Hall had man coverage with no help for much of the day as the safties spied Edwards and Massoquai ran some nice routes. Hall looked great on Holmes when they played Pittsburgh, and held Driver in check when they played the Packers. Hall plays the Z receiver so you can expect Andre Johnson will be lining up across from him some. That said, I'd play Andre Johnson against any NFL corner and take my chances. Leon Hall although having an outstanding season, is no Lester Hayes.

Whether Massoquai "abused" Hall or "barely beat" Hall really doesn't make any difference. Andre Johnson is so much better than Mohammad Massoquai that the kind of performance that barely holds its own against MoMass is also the kind of performance that gives up a 200 yard game to Johnson.Also worth noting that a huge part of Cincy's success against #1s is owed to Antwan Odom, who has been a man possessed so far this season. With that said, Antwan Odom makes a much bigger difference against Pitt or Green Bay (home of the two best #1 WRs that Cincy has shut down so far) than he does against Houston, because those two teams (and GB in particular) are just bad at pass protection. Houston's not exactly all that and a bag of chips itself, but it's light years ahead of Green Bay.Edited to clarify: I'm not expecting a 200 yard game out of Andre, I'm just acknowledging that he's capable of getting it against anyone, even Cincy, and that Cincy is not invincible.

 

[Shadows]

Andre Johnson is a heathen hell-beast... so while I totally respect the Bengals defense, I couldn't bench AJ unless you held my wife at gunpoint. And even then...

LOL

 

[harryhood]

-good cincy d line

-home game for cincy

-NFLs leading rusher

-very good bengals secondary

-most likely help over the top all day

While a TD can turn any day around and make him a good start, thats what I have to be hoping for in the league I am starting AJ. They have prevented #1 WRs from having big days. Goose Eggs to Jennings and Mason, just to name a few.

With the porous Defense of the Texans as well, I could also see Palmer and Benson controlling the clock on some long drives.

I wont be sitting him, but I surely am not banking on 7/100/1

I'd be happy with 2/50/1

 

[Short Corner]

I am thinking that Cincy gets up 2-3 scores on Hou and we see a lot of soft coverage in the second half. Even if he gets shut down when it's game on, AJ will get his share of catches when the secondary backs off to avoid the big play.

 

[harryhood]

I am thinking that Cincy gets up 2-3 scores on Hou and we see a lot of soft coverage in the second half. Even if he gets shut down when it's game on, AJ will get his share of catches when the secondary backs off to avoid the big play.

They couldnt get up 3 scores on the Brownies, I just don't think thats something this team is going to be able to do much. They play their games close and win them late. Not all will be like that but I think they let teams hang around a little more than not.

 

[Short Corner]

I am thinking that Cincy gets up 2-3 scores on Hou and we see a lot of soft coverage in the second half. Even if he gets shut down when it's game on, AJ will get his share of catches when the secondary backs off to avoid the big play.

They couldnt get up 3 scores on the Brownies, I just don't think thats something this team is going to be able to do much. They play their games close and win them late. Not all will be like that but I think they let teams hang around a little more than not.

We'll see. I think this is the worst defense they will have played so far. I am thinking something like 31-14.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I am thinking that Cincy gets up 2-3 scores on Hou and we see a lot of soft coverage in the second half. Even if he gets shut down when it's game on, AJ will get his share of catches when the secondary backs off to avoid the big play.

They couldnt get up 3 scores on the Brownies, I just don't think thats something this team is going to be able to do much. They play their games close and win them late. Not all will be like that but I think they let teams hang around a little more than not.

Cincy averages 20 pts a game. Getting up on anyone by 2-3 scores is a monumental task, let alone Houston. I realize that Texans D is B-A-D but their offense should keep things interesting for 60 minutes.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Obviously, Cincy's track record against #1 WRs this year is the reason for the deflated projection on Andre. As the week approaches, I might be persuaded to uptick his numbers a bit and knock down Walter, but the Bengals pass defense, and defense in general is for real, and the Texans didn't do anything special with him to defeat the Jets defensive scheme to stop him so I'm not inclined to think they will this week.

 

[jobarules]

Its not Leon Hall but Cincy def does a good job against #1 WRs. Im not crazy about starting Schaub this week.

 

[Short Corner]

I am thinking that Cincy gets up 2-3 scores on Hou and we see a lot of soft coverage in the second half. Even if he gets shut down when it's game on, AJ will get his share of catches when the secondary backs off to avoid the big play.

They couldnt get up 3 scores on the Brownies, I just don't think thats something this team is going to be able to do much. They play their games close and win them late. Not all will be like that but I think they let teams hang around a little more than not.

Cincy averages 20 pts a game. Getting up on anyone by 2-3 scores is a monumental task, let alone Houston. I realize that Texans D is B-A-D but their offense should keep things interesting for 60 minutes.

They may only be averaging 20.2 ppg, but that is still 2.4 ppg MORE than their opponents are giving up. On the flip side Hou scores 1.2 less than their opponents average yield. You have to consider how good the defenses they are going up against are.

 

[Black]

Cincy has been repeatedly shutting down opposing team's #1 WRs. Leon Hall has been outstanding this year, and #2 WRs have been getting much more love vs Cincy.

Leon Hall got abused by Mohammad Massoquai. I like Andre's chances.

After 'considering' benching Roddy last week, benching of studs ain't going to happen on my team. And this is ANDRE...

You don't bench this: man among boys

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Cincy has been repeatedly shutting down opposing team's #1 WRs. Leon Hall has been outstanding this year, and #2 WRs have been getting much more love vs Cincy.

Leon Hall got abused by Mohammad Massoquai. I like Andre's chances.

I didn't actually see that game, but wouldn't Hall have been covering Bryalon Edwards (who was shut down)?

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Andre Johnson is a heathen hell-beast... so while I totally respect the Bengals defense, I couldn't bench AJ unless you held my wife at gunpoint. And even then...

Pretty much. I just have a tough time imagining that AJ gets shut down to the tune of dropping 20-25 places in the weekly rankings. Let's not forget that other teams may have more alternative options to go to than do the Texans. I think he'll get his, and he's obviously worth starting regardless even if he fell 10, 15, 20, etc. spots because of how high his ceiling is. You'd have to have a ridiculously good and deep WR corps to bench him even taking Bloom's rankings at face value.

 

[CMU37484]

I had my line up all set in my mind for this week and expected to be validated with your projections. Mostly OK, but then I was surprised on one and floored on the other. The second opinion in particular has me searching to figure out what I am missing.

You're not missing anything. Projections are simply one man's opinion of what the stats will be this Sunday right?Does that mean you bench Andre Johnson? Uh, I don't think so........

 

[jobarules]

Cincy has been repeatedly shutting down opposing team's #1 WRs. Leon Hall has been outstanding this year, and #2 WRs have been getting much more love vs Cincy.

Leon Hall got abused by Mohammad Massoquai. I like Andre's chances.

I didn't actually see that game, but wouldn't Hall have been covering Bryalon Edwards (who was shut down)?

Hall covered MM

 

[Chairshot]

It's not like the group of "number 1's" Cincy has faced have exactly been studs...

The group, as a whole is averaging 4.18 catches for 61 yards and .4 TDs a game. It's not exactly like they are killing the rest of the league and the Bengals have figured out the secret formula to shut them down.

AJ is averaging 5.6 catches, 87.4 yards and has 4 TDs in 5 games.

I'm willing to buy that Cincy is playing good pass defense right now. But the idea that Cincy has cracked to code on how to shut down the best receivers in the league seems really silly to me. The defense hasn't changed that much and they were ranked 30th in pass defense last year. My guess is that they will end up somewhere down there by seasons end.

As for this week: I'm starting Johnson without a 2nd thought. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

 

[jobarules]

It's not like the group of "number 1's" Cincy has faced have exactly been studs...

Brandon Marshall, Greg Jennings, Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, and Derrick Mason are pretty damn good WRs

 

[Da Guru]

First. let me say I love reading your 2nd opinion projections because I have great respect for your FF expertise and find my self often agreeing with your judgment. I like your courage to champion certain players on a given week much higher then the majority of prognosticators.

I had my line up all set in my mind for this week and expected to be validated with your projections. Mostly OK, but then I was surprised on one and floored on the other. The second opinion in particular has me searching to figure out what I am missing.

I worried NYG D was going to be a tough nut to crack for Brees and decided to go with McNabb this week. You not only don't agree but have McNabb vs Oak as the 13th best QB this week. OK, arguable with Brees being Brees and perhaps McNabb takes it easy after 3 qtrs of beating up on the hapless Raiders.

But, what am I missing on this next one?

Andre Johnson is only the 26th best WR play this week?!? You even have Walter ahead of him. Is Cincy D that good? Is there a lock down DB I don't know about? I was starting Andre, Roddy, and Jennings or MS-W. You advise Roddy, Jennings and MS-W in a landslide. OK, but can you give me a glimpse into that sophisticated football mind of yours and help us AJ owners understand why he should be on our bench (at least in my case)?

If SB is too busy to answer does anybody else have an idea why AJ is such a poor play this week? Help solve this mystery for me...

How many teams in the league...8??Roddys number were scewed last week buy a horrible defensive play that allowed him a 90 yard TD on a ball that should have been batted down. Roddy still would had a good day but nowhere near what he did.

 

[One]

Cincy has been repeatedly shutting down opposing team's #1 WRs. Leon Hall has been outstanding this year, and #2 WRs have been getting much more love vs Cincy.

Leon Hall got abused by Mohammad Massoquai. I like Andre's chances.

After 'considering' benching Roddy last week, benching of studs ain't going to happen on my team. And this is ANDRE...

You don't bench this: man among boys

Man, I can watch that highlight all day.

 

[bengalbuck]

I wouldn't say abused. Hall had man coverage with no help for much of the day as the safties spied Edwards and Massoquai ran some nice routes. Hall looked great on Holmes when they played Pittsburgh, and held Driver in check when they played the Packers. Hall plays the Z receiver so you can expect Andre Johnson will be lining up across from him some. That said, I'd play Andre Johnson against any NFL corner and take my chances. Leon Hall although having an outstanding season, is no Lester Hayes.

Whether Massoquai "abused" Hall or "barely beat" Hall really doesn't make any difference. Andre Johnson is so much better than Mohammad Massoquai that the kind of performance that barely holds its own against MoMass is also the kind of performance that gives up a 200 yard game to Johnson.Also worth noting that a huge part of Cincy's success against #1s is owed to Antwan Odom, who has been a man possessed so far this season. With that said, Antwan Odom makes a much bigger difference against Pitt or Green Bay (home of the two best #1 WRs that Cincy has shut down so far) than he does against Houston, because those two teams (and GB in particular) are just bad at pass protection. Houston's not exactly all that and a bag of chips itself, but it's light years ahead of Green Bay.Edited to clarify: I'm not expecting a 200 yard game out of Andre, I'm just acknowledging that he's capable of getting it against anyone, even Cincy, and that Cincy is not invincible.

You are probably my favorite poster on this site, but I think your reasoning is very faulty here. Braylon Edwards has always had a lot of success against the Bengals and they used their defensive scheme to take him out of the game. Cleveland had some success running the ball which led to MoMass getting a lot of single coverage. He beat it enough to put up good numbers.I don't see how that applies to Andre though. You really think he is going to get single coverage? In reality, I think Andre will get the same defensive treatment Braylon got and the Bengals will take their chances with some single man coverage on the other side vs. Walter.I'd still start Andre over Eddie Royal though...

 

[Short Corner]

It's not like the group of "number 1's" Cincy has faced have exactly been studs...The group, as a whole is averaging 4.18 catches for 61 yards and .4 TDs a game. It's not exactly like they are killing the rest of the league and the Bengals have figured out the secret formula to shut them down.AJ is averaging 5.6 catches, 87.4 yards and has 4 TDs in 5 games. I'm willing to buy that Cincy is playing good pass defense right now. But the idea that Cincy has cracked to code on how to shut down the best receivers in the league seems really silly to me. The defense hasn't changed that much and they were ranked 30th in pass defense last year. My guess is that they will end up somewhere down there by seasons end.As for this week: I'm starting Johnson without a 2nd thought. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

You can't count the stats vs Cincy when saying what they have been doing against the rest of the league. Discounting Braylon, the 4 number 1's they have faced are averaging 4.8/73/.53. That projects out to 75+/1150+/8+. They have held this group to 5/45/0 which projects out to 20/180/0.

 

[netnalp]

Cincy has been repeatedly shutting down opposing team's #1 WRs. Leon Hall has been outstanding this year, and #2 WRs have been getting much more love vs Cincy.

Leon Hall got abused by Mohammad Massoquai. I like Andre's chances.

I didn't actually see that game, but wouldn't Hall have been covering Bryalon Edwards (who was shut down)?

Hall covered MM

Sometimes a defense will choose to put a double team of a safety and their #2 corner on the best WR and the shut down CB on the #2 WR. Individually the players of the double team are not as skilled as the #1 corner, but the two of them in theory provide better protection than the #1 CB.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

Defensive stats versus other team's WRs

Scroll to bottom. Cincy has averaged giving up 5 targets and 7.5 yards to the other teams' #1 WRs.

 

[rvmblack]

First. let me say I love reading your 2nd opinion projections because I have great respect for your FF expertise and find my self often agreeing with your judgment. I like your courage to champion certain players on a given week much higher then the majority of prognosticators.

I had my line up all set in my mind for this week and expected to be validated with your projections. Mostly OK, but then I was surprised on one and floored on the other. The second opinion in particular has me searching to figure out what I am missing.

I worried NYG D was going to be a tough nut to crack for Brees and decided to go with McNabb this week. You not only don't agree but have McNabb vs Oak as the 13th best QB this week. OK, arguable with Brees being Brees and perhaps McNabb takes it easy after 3 qtrs of beating up on the hapless Raiders.

But, what am I missing on this next one?

Andre Johnson is only the 26th best WR play this week?!? You even have Walter ahead of him. Is Cincy D that good? Is there a lock down DB I don't know about? I was starting Andre, Roddy, and Jennings or MS-W. You advise Roddy, Jennings and MS-W in a landslide. OK, but can you give me a glimpse into that sophisticated football mind of yours and help us AJ owners understand why he should be on our bench (at least in my case)?

If SB is too busy to answer does anybody else have an idea why AJ is such a poor play this week? Help solve this mystery for me...

Who cares what some random person has as a ranking? All that matters is what the player puts up on Sunday

 

[road warrior]

I learned my lesson the hard way. Played Mason last week. Not only did he have 0 catches, but only 1 target. I'm assuming the game plan was to go elsewhere. Now, I'm not saying that Mason is anywhere in AJ's league, but in my PPR league, that moved killed me.

 

[Hellfire Snail]

Cincy has been repeatedly shutting down opposing team's #1 WRs. Leon Hall has been outstanding this year, and #2 WRs have been getting much more love vs Cincy.

Leon Hall got abused by Mohammad Massoquai. I like Andre's chances.

After 'considering' benching Roddy last week, benching of studs ain't going to happen on my team. And this is ANDRE...

You don't bench this: man among boys

Man, I can watch that highlight all day.

Good Lord.

 

[Chaka]

I wouldn't say abused. Hall had man coverage with no help for much of the day as the safties spied Edwards and Massoquai ran some nice routes. Hall looked great on Holmes when they played Pittsburgh, and held Driver in check when they played the Packers. Hall plays the Z receiver so you can expect Andre Johnson will be lining up across from him some. That said, I'd play Andre Johnson against any NFL corner and take my chances. Leon Hall although having an outstanding season, is no Lester Hayes.

Whether Massoquai "abused" Hall or "barely beat" Hall really doesn't make any difference. Andre Johnson is so much better than Mohammad Massoquai that the kind of performance that barely holds its own against MoMass is also the kind of performance that gives up a 200 yard game to Johnson.Also worth noting that a huge part of Cincy's success against #1s is owed to Antwan Odom, who has been a man possessed so far this season. With that said, Antwan Odom makes a much bigger difference against Pitt or Green Bay (home of the two best #1 WRs that Cincy has shut down so far) than he does against Houston, because those two teams (and GB in particular) are just bad at pass protection. Houston's not exactly all that and a bag of chips itself, but it's light years ahead of Green Bay.Edited to clarify: I'm not expecting a 200 yard game out of Andre, I'm just acknowledging that he's capable of getting it against anyone, even Cincy, and that Cincy is not invincible.

You are probably my favorite poster on this site, but I think your reasoning is very faulty here. Braylon Edwards has always had a lot of success against the Bengals and they used their defensive scheme to take him out of the game. Cleveland had some success running the ball which led to MoMass getting a lot of single coverage. He beat it enough to put up good numbers.I don't see how that applies to Andre though. You really think he is going to get single coverage? In reality, I think Andre will get the same defensive treatment Braylon got and the Bengals will take their chances with some single man coverage on the other side vs. Walter.I'd still start Andre over Eddie Royal though...

After Monday night I think most people can agree that Braylon Edwards was probably most responsible for taking himself out of most games with Cleveland.Walter looks like a good play this week but I simply cannot justify ranking AJ low enough to be a flex player at best. It only takes one play and AJ is so tough to bring down.

 

[Football Daddy]

First. let me say I love reading your 2nd opinion projections because I have great respect for your FF expertise and find my self often agreeing with your judgment. I like your courage to champion certain players on a given week much higher then the majority of prognosticators.

I had my line up all set in my mind for this week and expected to be validated with your projections. Mostly OK, but then I was surprised on one and floored on the other. The second opinion in particular has me searching to figure out what I am missing.

I worried NYG D was going to be a tough nut to crack for Brees and decided to go with McNabb this week. You not only don't agree but have McNabb vs Oak as the 13th best QB this week. OK, arguable with Brees being Brees and perhaps McNabb takes it easy after 3 qtrs of beating up on the hapless Raiders.

But, what am I missing on this next one?

Andre Johnson is only the 26th best WR play this week?!? You even have Walter ahead of him. Is Cincy D that good? Is there a lock down DB I don't know about? I was starting Andre, Roddy, and Jennings or MS-W. You advise Roddy, Jennings and MS-W in a landslide. OK, but can you give me a glimpse into that sophisticated football mind of yours and help us AJ owners understand why he should be on our bench (at least in my case)?

If SB is too busy to answer does anybody else have an idea why AJ is such a poor play this week? Help solve this mystery for me...

How many teams in the league...8??Roddys number were scewed last week buy a horrible defensive play that allowed him a 90 yard TD on a ball that should have been batted down. Roddy still would had a good day but nowhere near what he did.

Nah we have 12 in a redraft league. I traded #4 pick for #12 in a Banzai format since besides ADP I had no faith in any of the other top ranked RB's. My first 3 picks were WR's. Then later took about six middling RB's hoping a couple would pan out. As it turns out, my starting RB's are R. Brown and Rice with Bradshaw clamoring to be started. Needless to say, I am on top of the league so far. So, no normally I would not even consider benching "the hell-bent heathen beast" (LOL), but with Jennings or MS-W to put in it becomes a more realistic debate in my mind. Will probably go back and forth until 9:59am Sunday.

Thanks for all the opinions in this thread. Its one of the reason I think this the SP is the preeminent forum in FF.

 

[Dragon1952]

It's not like the group of "number 1's" Cincy has faced have exactly been studs...

Brandon Marshall, Greg Jennings, Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, and Derrick Mason are pretty damn good WRs

Well you could poke holes in all of those previous match-ups if you wanted to I guess. Denver's passing game was a work in progress that first game, Jennings and Rodgers aren't hooking up yet anyway against anybody, Cleveland passing game?.....lol!......, Roethlisberger spreads it around pretty good....Holmes has only been targeted 5, 5 and 6 the past 3 weeks, and I guess they did a pretty good job against Baltimore, but Baltimore's passing stats had been pretty inflated with their cupcake passing defense schedule up till then anyway, and the Ravens only had the ball 25 minutes due to the extra emotionally fired up Bengal 'D'. I think Andre Johnson is a whole nuther ball game. Plus, Houston will be throwing all day long due to their lack of a running game. Also, you just have to wonder if Cincinnati can get up for this game after that intense, emotionally charged game against division rival Baltimore last week for 1st place.....in fact, 3 straight divisional games in a row! A lot of supposition and ifs, but seriously, what other option on your bench is worth the risk of benching AJ? Roddy White wasn't supposed to have the game he did last week either. Just saying....

 

[GreenNGold]

It's not like the group of "number 1's" Cincy has faced have exactly been studs...

Brandon Marshall, Greg Jennings, Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, and Derrick Mason are pretty damn good WRs

Marshall was in his first action after missing all of training camp?Jennings hasn't done anything all year Holmes was good in week 1 but not much sinceEdwards was on CLEVELANDMason is good but he is not great for a #1 Cincinnati is going to find out what an elite #1 WR looks like this week.

 

[Gbagzz]

Cincy has been repeatedly shutting down opposing team's #1 WRs. Leon Hall has been outstanding this year, and #2 WRs have been getting much more love vs Cincy.

Leon Hall got abused by Mohammad Massoquai. I like Andre's chances.

Hall, Joseph, whoever. #s don't lie. Players or scheme, #1s have been SHUT DOWN. I feel good starting Walter this week.

Never bench your studs Never bench your studsNever bench your studs

 

[Gbagzz]

It's not like the group of "number 1's" Cincy has faced have exactly been studs...

Brandon Marshall, Greg Jennings, Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, and Derrick Mason are pretty damn good WRs

Marshall was in his first action after missing all of training camp?Jennings hasn't done anything all year Holmes was good in week 1 but nothing sinceEdwards was on CLEVELANDMason is good but he is not great for a #1 Cincinnati is going to find out what an elite #1 WR looks like this week.

 

[GreenNGold]

Never bench your studs Never bench your studsNever bench your studs

 

[JamesTheScot]

It's not like the group of "number 1's" Cincy has faced have exactly been studs...

Brandon Marshall, Greg Jennings, Santonio Holmes, Braylon Edwards, and Derrick Mason are pretty damn good WRs

What have those WR's been doing to the other 3-4 teams they've played other than Cincy?Holmes: Great game week 1, been on the decline since.Jennings: Solid game week 1, been struggling since.Marshall: Getting his sea legs in the new offense. Finally starting to turn it on.Edwards: Faced them as a Brown - that's all you have to say.Mason: Like the guy but he's almost the same age as his jersey number and isn't anywhere near AJ's talent.I wouldn't mistake any of those guys as being in AJ's class just yet. He's in that most exclusive club of players where's he's a must start unless he injured. Any stud is going to have his flat days, but you just have to roll with them instead of trying to predict when they will hit.Edited to add: Doh! Green N Gold beat me to the punch.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Never bench your studs Never bench your studsNever bench your studs

I'd like to see a study done on the never bench your studs theory. % of time a player currently running #1-#12 at a position facing a top 5 fantasy defense is outscored by a player running #25-#36 at the position (flex RB for example) facing a bottom 5 fantasy defense. My guess is the "never bench your stud" theory would hold up - but it'd still be interesting to see.

 

[p00h]

all this discussion is a moot point. Simple logic is this. Is AJ a bigger stud than the cincy D, or specifically the db that has been shutting down the #1s so far. If they've shut down gail sayers, jerry rice, marvin harrison and steve largent the past 4 weeks, and are coming off a bye coming into this week, then you think about it. Otherwise, to believe AJ will be shutdown is foolish...

PS: If you follow what others write on the internets and make your lineup decisions blindly based on their OPINIONS, then you deserver what you get. To rank AJ anything less than a top5 wr any given week, regardless of matchup, other options, anything, is nothing but foolish...

 

[RebelINS]

Don't bench Andre Johnson. He'll be just fine this week, trust your gut. People rely too much on the advice of others, although perhaps you're just weighing the overall options. Most of the time if you have a decent bit of knowledge it helps to go with your gut.

 

[editor47]

Never bench your studs Never bench your studsNever bench your studs

I'd like to see a study done on the never bench your studs theory. % of time a player currently running #1-#12 at a position facing a top 5 fantasy defense is outscored by a player running #25-#36 at the position (flex RB for example) facing a bottom 5 fantasy defense. My guess is the "never bench your stud" theory would hold up - but it'd still be interesting to see.

i imagine if you guess correctly, you would make the right decision to bench your studs.i suggested sitting AJ vs. Oak a couple of weeks ago. I was right. There was a history there. The concept of never bench your studs is that if there are 4 times a year where it looks like it might be a good decision, if you are wrong twice, then it really wasn't worth it to sit him. I would play Johnson this week. The only WRs in his class that the Bengals have faced are Brandon Marshall and Hines Ward, the true No. 1 WR in Pittsburgh. I didn't watch the Bengals game, so maybe they treated Ward as the No. 2 WR, but he's No. 1. As others have said, Marshall and hsi QB weren't in sync yet. Ward has 4-82. Not spectacular. I'm more concerned about the Texans OL blocking the DL and Schaub remaining upright.

 

[buck naked]

Cincy has been repeatedly shutting down opposing team's #1 WRs. Leon Hall has been outstanding this year, and #2 WRs have been getting much more love vs Cincy.

Leon Hall got abused by Mohammad Massoquai. I like Andre's chances.

After 'considering' benching Roddy last week, benching of studs ain't going to happen on my team. And this is ANDRE...

You don't bench this: man among boys

Love the video, but this just goes to show you can't compare Arizona with a HORRIBLE secondary to the Bengals with a good one.

 

[buck naked]

Never bench your studs Never bench your studsNever bench your studs

Blah, blah, blah. When I asked the same question about AJ against Asomugha a couple weeks ago I got the same response. AJ had 2 receptions that day and a whoop-de-doo 8.8 points. He could have EASILY been benched.

 

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There are an awful lot of people in this thread burying their heads in the sand. The trend is pretty obvious and is being ignored. Rationalizing why the other #1s had bad days isn't going to change the fact that they had, not just bad, but terrible days against the Bengals.

Marshall - 27 yards, worst of the season.

Jennings - 0 yards, worst of the season.

Holmes - 18 yards, worst of the season.

Edwards - 0 yards, worst of the season.

Mason - 0 yards, worst of the season.

Come on people, open your eyes! The earth is round and it does revolve around the sun. Three of the five players with zero yards. All with the worst performance of the season. AJ isn't unstoppable. The Jets held him to 35 yards. It's pretty obvious what Cincy's game plan will be.