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Bloom's Final Seven Round Mock (1 Viewer)
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I hear ya - but the all star game practices are when we get to see these guys right next to each other doing the same thing against the same opponents. Its invaluable for sorting out your board - of course there always can be more to the story, the player was sick or hurt or distracted, so maybe I am putting too much stock in those games... you just have to come to Mobile next year to decide for yourself
Thats fair - if I could I would swap out a Dunbar or Butler for a DL. Silva I see strictly as a special teamer at first, so I wouldnt switch him.
=Smackdown=
Footballguy
Awesome read - thanks for putting the time in.
I don't see the Dolphins passing on Dan Connor, LB, Penn State at pick #32 though.
I don't see the Dolphins passing on Dan Connor, LB, Penn State at pick #32 though.
Jackson is a raw WR, so he's almost being drafted as a return man with WR upside - whereas Simpson looks like a prototype possession WR with his frame and hands, and could be more with surprising speed he flashed at the combine and better route running.
As a Packer fan, I think the draft you outline makes total sense. Of course, I have always had more confidence in you than I do in TT.
I do hope Cason falls to pick 30 but think it unlikely.
So Talib, Davis, Sims, and Tony Hills in teh first 3 rounds would be great.
With that said, doesn't TT always take a WR with one of his picks in the first 3 rounds?
I do hope Cason falls to pick 30 but think it unlikely.
So Talib, Davis, Sims, and Tony Hills in teh first 3 rounds would be great.
With that said, doesn't TT always take a WR with one of his picks in the first 3 rounds?
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I had Lofton there in my 3 rounder, and a skullcracking ILB makes as much as sense as anything else there in terms of a value/need intersection. The Fins could also have their phones blow up with offers for the pick.
I heard from a source that Antwaun Molden could be the guy at 30 (Thompson came to the Texas vs the Nation week, so you know they really like someone that played in that game), and that they feel Cason has a similar bust risk to Carroll (cue spooky music)As a Packer fan, I think the draft you outlie makes total sense. Of course, I have always had more confidence in you than I do in TT.I do hope Cason falls to pick 30 but think it unlikely. So Talib, Davis, Sims, and Tony Hills in teh first 3 rounds would be great.With that said, doesn't TT always take a WR with one of his picks in the first 3 rounds?
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
More on these two. Obviously, all I have on Garcon is highlights, what I read, and the measureables, but he sure is a powerful kid with terrific hands to make the catch and balance to make things happen after the catch. Interesting prospect. The strength seems to be a nice key for grading WRs. Toughness is more important but harder to judge. Paysinger was, like Dixon, playing at a very high level before being injured... a 3rd 4th round level. Also, there's a name bugging me that I cannot retrieve from memory. I don't want to scan ranking lists to jog my memory, but maybe this will jog yours and you can help me. Some kid in this class has an uncanny ability to block kicks. I think he'll be drafted. Special teams standouts often get shots guys like Ortiz and Lansanah don't and we end saying "who?".
JaxBill
Footballguy
Thanks for the explanation. I guess the reason I was surprised is that Jackson seems to be one of the hot "sleeper" names being bandied about.Just wondering, do you anticipate a lot of trading on Saturday as many people do(myself included)?
Incogneto
Footballguy
Seahawks:
1-25-25 Seattle- Trevor Laws, DT, Notre Dame
2-24-55 Seattle- Tyrell Johnson, S, Arkansas St
3-23-86 Seattle- Brad Cottam, TE, Tennessee
4-22-121 Seattle- Kenny Iwebema, DE, Iowa
6-23-189 Seattle from Tennessee- Justin Forsett, RB, California
7-26-233 Seattle from Jacksonville - Wilrey Fontenot, CB, Arizona
Bloom, I am not sure what you think the needs of the Seahawks are, but it isn't in the secondary.
From ESPN, here is the Seahawks needs: TE, WR, DT, S, OL
I can understand the the Laws pick in the first, even though I believe it is a stretch (that is why I expect Seattle to trade down), but the Safety in the 2nd round while Fred Davis is still on the board blows me away.
Follow this all up with a DE pick, and a CB pick? This draft does not staisfy their needs at all.
I see them trading down into the 2nd round, and getting a TE and DT at that time. Possible a RB in the 3rd (I would LOVE to see Kevin Smith in Seattle Blue), or a WR.
1-25-25 Seattle- Trevor Laws, DT, Notre Dame
2-24-55 Seattle- Tyrell Johnson, S, Arkansas St
3-23-86 Seattle- Brad Cottam, TE, Tennessee
4-22-121 Seattle- Kenny Iwebema, DE, Iowa
6-23-189 Seattle from Tennessee- Justin Forsett, RB, California
7-26-233 Seattle from Jacksonville - Wilrey Fontenot, CB, Arizona
Bloom, I am not sure what you think the needs of the Seahawks are, but it isn't in the secondary.
From ESPN, here is the Seahawks needs: TE, WR, DT, S, OL
I can understand the the Laws pick in the first, even though I believe it is a stretch (that is why I expect Seattle to trade down), but the Safety in the 2nd round while Fred Davis is still on the board blows me away.
Follow this all up with a DE pick, and a CB pick? This draft does not staisfy their needs at all.
I see them trading down into the 2nd round, and getting a TE and DT at that time. Possible a RB in the 3rd (I would LOVE to see Kevin Smith in Seattle Blue), or a WR.
another oversight... figured it was kicker, missed that update on my needs list.
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Sig, since I consider you 20 times better then Mel Kiper, I was wondering if you could take a peak at my 6 rounder. Tell me what you think.
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/view...4335442#4335442
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/view...4335442#4335442
Incogneto
Footballguy
what is your needs list for the Seahawks?
TE, RB, depth at OLB, S, maybe OT, and an upside WR.
TE, RB, depth at OLB, S, maybe OT, and an upside WR and possibly a developmental QB.
WampusCat43
Footballguy
As a Bengals fan I love this. I'm praying for Ellis.
As a UK grad, I'd like to see Cincy take Wesley Woodyard instead of the TE, then get Tamme later, but that's just homeristic optimism.
Good job!
As a UK grad, I'd like to see Cincy take Wesley Woodyard instead of the TE, then get Tamme later, but that's just homeristic optimism.
Good job!
5Rings
Lurker
San Francisco
First, lets understand the situation here. Nolan must win NOW. Like I told Pgreen in his mock where the team took a QB in the first, Nolan will be taking guys that will see the field and help him save his job. No long term projects. The team can use help all over, but when you factor in "immediate impact + holes = rush LB, RT, DL, S".
Why no WR? How many rookie WRs can understand Martz' complex system? From what I've seen, thats pretty rare. Now, I'm sure if a value like Manningham or Bennet fell to round 4, sure, but rds 1-2-3 will be guys who will see the field this year.
Also--even though there was the public announcement of "re-organization in the FO", where Scotty McG would have more control than the two headed monster that was Nolan/McG, thats just PR. Nolan still has as much influence in who we pick than anybody else in the organization, and he knows his butt is on the line.
That said......I could not disagree more with your Rd 2-3 picks. I have no problem with the rest.
1-29-29 San Francisco from Indianapolis- Quentin Groves, OLB/DE, Auburn
The way your mock fell, he's a no-brainer here. I think the only guys that could cause the team to hesitate would be if Gosder if he fell. Nolan and staff loved him at the SR Bowl. Gosder/Groves/DeSean (for his special team abilities).
2- 8-39 San Francisco- Mario Manningham, WR, Michigan
Dude
Sorry, but no way does a guy who scores a 6 on the wonderlic see the field in Martz' offense. I don't see this happeneing at all. Following your mock, I see the team taking a OT to be the swing guy (Jennings can't stay healthy) and start a half dozen games at RT like Collins or Brown. Also could see a guy like Lofton taken to play next to Willis and firm up the front 7, or even a DE like Jackson outta USC. But no Mario, please 
3-12-75 San Francisco from Chicago- Josh Johnson, QB, San Diego
No. Smith might not be the guy, but Hill looked good last year, and Martz loves JT. The team is not in a position to take a project. Following your mock, I go with DaJuan Morgan to replace/compete with Roman, or Red Bryant to rotate at NT.
4- 8-107 San Francisco - Donald Thomas, OG, Connecticut
Fills a need. Will compete with Wragge for the swing spot, and with Baas tearing a pec, this is a great move if he can put on the weight SF wants from their interior lineman. My only concern is he's not the mauler the team wants at OG.
6- 8-174 San Francisco - Spencer Larsen, LB, Arizona
No complaints, will be ILB4 / special teams type guy.
7- 7-214 San Francisco - Ryan Grice-Mullen, WR, Hawaii
HOnestly, no clue
eta--thanks for putting this together Bloom. enjoy the nfldrafguys coverage this year as well
First, lets understand the situation here. Nolan must win NOW. Like I told Pgreen in his mock where the team took a QB in the first, Nolan will be taking guys that will see the field and help him save his job. No long term projects. The team can use help all over, but when you factor in "immediate impact + holes = rush LB, RT, DL, S".
Why no WR? How many rookie WRs can understand Martz' complex system? From what I've seen, thats pretty rare. Now, I'm sure if a value like Manningham or Bennet fell to round 4, sure, but rds 1-2-3 will be guys who will see the field this year.
Also--even though there was the public announcement of "re-organization in the FO", where Scotty McG would have more control than the two headed monster that was Nolan/McG, thats just PR. Nolan still has as much influence in who we pick than anybody else in the organization, and he knows his butt is on the line.
That said......I could not disagree more with your Rd 2-3 picks. I have no problem with the rest.
1-29-29 San Francisco from Indianapolis- Quentin Groves, OLB/DE, Auburn
The way your mock fell, he's a no-brainer here. I think the only guys that could cause the team to hesitate would be if Gosder if he fell. Nolan and staff loved him at the SR Bowl. Gosder/Groves/DeSean (for his special team abilities).
2- 8-39 San Francisco- Mario Manningham, WR, Michigan
Dude
Sorry, but no way does a guy who scores a 6 on the wonderlic see the field in Martz' offense. I don't see this happeneing at all. Following your mock, I see the team taking a OT to be the swing guy (Jennings can't stay healthy) and start a half dozen games at RT like Collins or Brown. Also could see a guy like Lofton taken to play next to Willis and firm up the front 7, or even a DE like Jackson outta USC. But no Mario, please 3-12-75 San Francisco from Chicago- Josh Johnson, QB, San Diego
No. Smith might not be the guy, but Hill looked good last year, and Martz loves JT. The team is not in a position to take a project. Following your mock, I go with DaJuan Morgan to replace/compete with Roman, or Red Bryant to rotate at NT.
4- 8-107 San Francisco - Donald Thomas, OG, Connecticut
Fills a need. Will compete with Wragge for the swing spot, and with Baas tearing a pec, this is a great move if he can put on the weight SF wants from their interior lineman. My only concern is he's not the mauler the team wants at OG.
6- 8-174 San Francisco - Spencer Larsen, LB, Arizona
No complaints, will be ILB4 / special teams type guy.
7- 7-214 San Francisco - Ryan Grice-Mullen, WR, Hawaii
HOnestly, no clue
eta--thanks for putting this together Bloom. enjoy the nfldrafguys coverage this year as well
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I think the 1st round is too early for Molden, but who knows. I wasn't sure Justin Harrell would go in the first 32 picks either, so there you go.I heard from a source that Antwaun Molden could be the guy at 30 (Thompson came to the Texas vs the Nation week, so you know they really like someone that played in that game), and that they feel Cason has a similar bust risk to Carroll (cue spooky music)As a Packer fan, I think the draft you outlie makes total sense. Of course, I have always had more confidence in you than I do in TT.I do hope Cason falls to pick 30 but think it unlikely. So Talib, Davis, Sims, and Tony Hills in teh first 3 rounds would be great.With that said, doesn't TT always take a WR with one of his picks in the first 3 rounds?
Answered above. Richardson is a short-term solution, brought in by two guys who hope they have jobs in 2009.
a_rackowski
Footballguy
Wow - thats impressive.
Not to critique - just offering (my humble) input cause thats why you posted it I am sure.
Carolina had a great draft Collins cuold make for a Nasty guard in the NFL I think. Adding Harvey, Okam, and Nick Hayden to that Dline could really make that defensive line a terror. The one problem I saw was that they did not grab a Quarterback and I really expect them to.
Id be surprised if St Louis doesnt take a DT, although drafting Long allows them to keep Carriker inside. Overall though I really liked their draft.
Not really a huge fan of KCs - Albert and Kelly picks - 2 complete opposite combine stock results. But to only take 1DT in the 7th round was a bit of a surprise because they are taking 3 CBs and 4 Olinemen. I just feel as though that might be overkill but I like the linemen they got. If you change Albert with Gholston who I really feel as though will be the pick. Vernon Gholston and Derrick Thomas remind me of eachother. I am NOT saying Gholston is = to Thomas - cause nobody is quite Derrick Thomas.
New England in my opinion would have had the best draft of any other team so the NFL would take notice.
Buffalo isnt far behind.
Overall dude - I give you massive credit. That is impressive and must have taken you days.
Not to critique - just offering (my humble) input cause thats why you posted it I am sure.
Carolina had a great draft Collins cuold make for a Nasty guard in the NFL I think. Adding Harvey, Okam, and Nick Hayden to that Dline could really make that defensive line a terror. The one problem I saw was that they did not grab a Quarterback and I really expect them to.
Id be surprised if St Louis doesnt take a DT, although drafting Long allows them to keep Carriker inside. Overall though I really liked their draft.
Not really a huge fan of KCs - Albert and Kelly picks - 2 complete opposite combine stock results. But to only take 1DT in the 7th round was a bit of a surprise because they are taking 3 CBs and 4 Olinemen. I just feel as though that might be overkill but I like the linemen they got. If you change Albert with Gholston who I really feel as though will be the pick. Vernon Gholston and Derrick Thomas remind me of eachother. I am NOT saying Gholston is = to Thomas - cause nobody is quite Derrick Thomas.
New England in my opinion would have had the best draft of any other team so the NFL would take notice.
Buffalo isnt far behind.
Overall dude - I give you massive credit. That is impressive and must have taken you days.
LionsFan78
Footballguy
Hey Bloom, I know someone else has asked this as well, hope I didn't accidentally skip over your answer, but has A. Arrington really slipped into the bottom of the 7th to you? I haven't been able to follow his pro day results or anything, but I thought he was very recently projected as a 4th - 5th round WR project. Thanks for the work!
Enforcer
Footballguy
Need to add DT to that list. They lost Darby to free agency. There's no reason to think that Tubbs will make it back from 2 knee surgeries, and starter Rocky Bernard is entering the last year of his contract to go along with his recent domestic violence arrest. Seattle is making it standard policy not to keep anybody that hints of off field problems (Hamlin, Stevens, DJax*).* To be fair to DJax, it wasn't legal in his case, but he was a constant distraction because the new management wouldn't live up to previous management's promises.
whoknew
Footballguy
There is an article in the Detroit paper today on Hayes. The Lions apparently brought him in for an interview and like him a lot.
I heard as far back as February that Arrington's character issues would cause him to fall out of the draft. That and its a very deep class at WR.
Good call, although don't underrate Mebane. You would have liked an earlier version where I had the Seahawks taking Trevor Laws in the first.
LionsFan78
Footballguy
Wow, where have I been then? The only character issues I've heard of recently were of Manningham. That's a shame, because after watching every UM game, I've always felt that Arrington could be the better pro.
RonnieBrown23
Footballguy
All hail Ted Thompson.
All hail Boom!
Nice job as always, appreciate the extra effort you and Cecil and the gang put in for us rabid football (and fantasy football) fans
All hail Boom!
Nice job as always, appreciate the extra effort you and Cecil and the gang put in for us rabid football (and fantasy football) fans
msommer
Footballguy
Now we just need the post draft Bloom 100! 
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Will be writing that on the plane back to TX on Monday night, hope to get it out Tuesday, but just like last year, I have to administer the annual training for the non-profit I work with - Capacity For Justice - so there could be a slight delay...
Now we just need the post draft Bloom 100!
Enforcer
Footballguy
You're right that we should be happy with Mebane. He was a great contributor last season, but this is more about depth. They are potentially heading into the season without another viable starter at DT depending on Bernard's legal situation.
