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VaTerp
Footballguy
How many times have we seen that result in varying degrees of ligament damage, including tears.Not going to further speculate but it did not look good to me.Any word from those watching live?
ponchsox
Footballguy
LeGarrette Blount was carted off the field with a left knee injury in Friday night's preseason game against the Titans.
Blount appeared to be in significant pain after taking a blow to the knee area. He was down for a solid minute or two and eventually made his way to the cart, showing an ability to put little weight on the left leg. Blount started his second straight preseason game Friday night, though rookie Doug Martin's role clearly grew against Tennessee. We'll update when further info is available.
Blount appeared to be in significant pain after taking a blow to the knee area. He was down for a solid minute or two and eventually made his way to the cart, showing an ability to put little weight on the left leg. Blount started his second straight preseason game Friday night, though rookie Doug Martin's role clearly grew against Tennessee. We'll update when further info is available.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
My first thought is this...if it can happen to Blount it can happen to Martin. As a Martin owner it doesn't thrill me to hear Blunt is out with an injury, in fact I was assuming we have a 60/40 split one way or the other. It makes you think about all these picks we make too...injuries can just kill a roster.
I know a lot of people on this site frequently criticize the strategy...but this is EXACTLY why I have pretty much stopped drafting RB's early altogether.You're better off rostering 6-7 middle to late RB's and let things play out. I've been upside downing the last 5 years and every year I end up with more than 2 starting rb options just because of the nature of the position.
ponchsox
Footballguy
Just curious how you finished with that strategy?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Please jog over to the thread I started earlier today, we are having this very discussion and I am going against most of the early RBs and it is getting a little dicey. Would love to hear your thoughts over there.
ponchsox
Footballguy
After suffering a second-quarter left knee injury in Friday night's preseason game against the Titans, LeGarrette Blount reappeared on the Bucs' sideline walking around without ice or a brace on his leg.
Perhaps the injury is not as serious as initially believed. Blount could be seen limping along the sideline, but he'd likely be iced or braced up if the Bucs feared a debilitating knee injury. We should find out more in the coming hours and/or days. Blount played 14 snaps against the Titans, per our count, starting the game but ceding all third-down work and multiple full first-team drives to impressive rookie Doug Martin. Blount finished with 11 yards on eight carries and a dropped pass.
Perhaps the injury is not as serious as initially believed. Blount could be seen limping along the sideline, but he'd likely be iced or braced up if the Bucs feared a debilitating knee injury. We should find out more in the coming hours and/or days. Blount played 14 snaps against the Titans, per our count, starting the game but ceding all third-down work and multiple full first-team drives to impressive rookie Doug Martin. Blount finished with 11 yards on eight carries and a dropped pass.
Banemorth
Footballguy
Smith?
if blount is out for significant time id say that definitely puts martin near the top 10 rbs taken. id say his adp would be late 2nd and ahead of richardson. i would be leery to take him, because of how i feel about rookie rb's although it would be tempting
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Dragon1952
Footballguy
Like LaGarrette Blount you mean?
Banger
Footballguy
His adp.
Not going to lie I'm on a ridiculous run right now. In my main 12 man ppr league I've won the league 3 out of the last 5 years. I know those results aren't sustainable and I'm a huge believer that EVERYTHING returns to the mean so I know I'm due for a bad year. But winning your league isn't the indicator that you are doing things correctly since there is so much luck inherently found in FF. What tells me that my strategy is working is the fact that even in the 2 years I didn't win I finished in the top 3.The point is....if you follow this strategy to the letter and assuming your league's rules permit most of the things the strategy requires you will CONSISTENTLY have a team that contends year in, year out. Impossible to win every year...all you can ask for is that every year down the stretch your team is at least IN POSITION to win the whole thing...what happens down the stretch is very much tied to luck.Back to the strategy...for the last 5 years the highest i've drafted a RB is the 4th round. The key thing here is, and ironically it's the part where most people who attempt to mimic this strategy fail is....you can't chicken out and "halfway" do the strategy mid way through your draft.I'll put it this way....my main league mates caught on to what I was doing after the first year...by year 3 they changed the freaking rules of the league to try and hurt my strategy. The league originally use to have a starting lineup requirement of 2 rb's and 3 wr's and voted to switch to 2 rb's/2 wr's and a flex rb/wr. They thought that injecting an extra potential starting rb into everyone's team would kill my strategy and leave me with nothing at RB.Guess what...it made my strategy even more deadly. The disparity in the scoring total my 3 elite WR's consistently put up couldn't be bridged by simply taking a ton of rb's early since somehow I would always end up with 2,3 or 4 starting rb options simply from basically taking every major rb's handcuff in the middle to late rounds.I hear "you're a lucky SOB" (and alot worse that I can't re-type here) frequently. The fact is it isn't luck. The entire underlying premise for the theory is that RB's get hurt every 5 minutes. Do quantity over quality and take a bunch of handcuffs late and watch the magic play out.It's not rocket science...it's called taking advantage of other people stubbornness. I read most of the threads on this and other boards and in all honesty I don't even fight it anymore. I don't comment in 90% of the threads. I just read. I know if I even attempt to bring up my theories people immediately tell me I'm nuts.....I'm use to it.Trust me...it works. The sooner you abandon the crutch that is the misconception that all the RBBC's in the NFL mean you need to take "sure fire" rb's early the sooner you'll start seeing the bigger picture. The way I see it the FF community is still alot like Neo from the first Matrix. Free your mind of the shackles of early RB drafting and you'll see alot more consistent results
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Buffaloes
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'Ace08 said:
good stuff right here. been thinking about going with an elite TE, QB, WR and then RB because of the potential advantage you can have at 3 different positions (making up for the loss at RB). Digging your strategy. Finding a guy like Sproles last year can really put a team over if the rest of the team is built with legit talent.That's the beauty of the strategy...say I had taken Blount (who by the way check all my posts about the strategy I've made on this board and you'll notice that before today I never once mentioned his name since he wasn't a target of mine based on his skill set) is that it would have cost you a 7th-9th rounder. Meanwhile the guy who took Matthews/Richardson in the first round loses a first rounder. Which one is harder to recover from? Morever...that's 1 of my SEVEN rb's. I lost one...so what. I drop him and pick up another handcuff on waivers and play the waiting game again.It's basically streaming rb's.'Dragon1952 said:Like LaGarrette Blount you mean?'Ace08 said:
ffinmyblood
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Or....how about this for a novel idea?? Score 6 pts for all passing TD's, ALWAYS. That puts the onus on having a great QB(and you can't use the RB strategy listed above, by having a mediocre QB and great RB's and still expect to win), but in leagues like this, that i have played in all my life(won't play 4 Pt passing TD leagues), if you get a Brees, or a Rodgers or a Brady, and have just Average RB's, guess what?? You are still going to be in pretty good shape generally speaking. Especially in leagues where you get points for TD's only and none of this new fangled 1/10 rushing/receiving scoring like there is now. But even with that, score all passing TD's at 6, get a great QB, and put decent talent around him, and you'll be good.
Plus, if you think about it, without the 1/10 scoring that there is now, and playing the way it used to be, and IMO still the purest for of Fantasy football, a lot of RB's aren't nearly as valuable, and thus, FF players mentality would be completely different, and would switch away from wanting to have such great RB's constantly. Honestly, it's not rocket science. It's truly the modern day scoring systems that cater to this "jilted" mentality of FF players needing great RB's to be successful.
Plus, if you think about it, without the 1/10 scoring that there is now, and playing the way it used to be, and IMO still the purest for of Fantasy football, a lot of RB's aren't nearly as valuable, and thus, FF players mentality would be completely different, and would switch away from wanting to have such great RB's constantly. Honestly, it's not rocket science. It's truly the modern day scoring systems that cater to this "jilted" mentality of FF players needing great RB's to be successful.
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It's it easier to stream WRs?That's the beauty of the strategy...say I had taken Blount (who by the way check all my posts about the strategy I've made on this board and you'll notice that before today I never once mentioned his name since he wasn't a target of mine based on his skill set) is that it would have cost you a 7th-9th rounder. Meanwhile the guy who took Matthews/Richardson in the first round loses a first rounder. Which one is harder to recover from? Morever...that's 1 of my SEVEN rb's. I lost one...so what. I drop him and pick up another handcuff on waivers and play the waiting game again.It's basically streaming rb's.'Dragon1952 said:Like LaGarrette Blount you mean?'Ace08 said:
Not even close. Not for me at least. Maybe someone out there has done the flip side of this but I've only been able to get reasonably good at mining late and undrafted rb's. Never had much luck with WR's.It's it easier to stream WRs?That's the beauty of the strategy...say I had taken Blount (who by the way check all my posts about the strategy I've made on this board and you'll notice that before today I never once mentioned his name since he wasn't a target of mine based on his skill set) is that it would have cost you a 7th-9th rounder. Meanwhile the guy who took Matthews/Richardson in the first round loses a first rounder. Which one is harder to recover from? Morever...that's 1 of my SEVEN rb's. I lost one...so what. I drop him and pick up another handcuff on waivers and play the waiting game again.It's basically streaming rb's.'Dragon1952 said:Like LaGarrette Blount you mean?'Ace08 said:
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Badgers Fan
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No ice or brace. Might be ok.
Entitled to your opinion but personally to me 6 point passing leagues are garbage. QB's already outscore all position players as is...when you make it 6 points it's overkill. It's much more of a challenge when you bring all the relative worth's of each position as close to each other as possible...especially when you consider you're only required to start 1 QB as opposed to multiple RB and WR's.To each their own.
That is definitely a constraint. You might want to try taking an RB in the 3rd instead of waiting til the 4th like i do and see if it works for you though. Is it 10 man or 12 man?
Funkley
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12.....my added problem is that its a one keeper league and my two best players to keep are Mathews or Vick. However I have the 3rd pick and 3 picks in the second....after keepers. I could keep Vick and really load up on receivers. Hmmmm.......Sorry to hijack.
Curious. U said draft rbs in the middle rounds yet u take one in the 4th? I could see draft all positions than draft rbs like crazy.
Yeah you're right it probably wouldn't work for you but your league is completely different than mine so I wouldn't want to lead you astray. Study the hell out of it though and come up with some sort of unconventional approach that works for your situation though. Don't be a sheep!
The majority of them in the middle to late...but I do usually take 1 in the 4th since I feel there are some good values there. I've posted what a typical mock for this year looks like for my strategy from the late position.
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ffinmyblood
Footballguy
Like me, you are entitled to your opinion, but to call them "garbage" is just....wrong. Don't they get 6 pts for Passing TD's in the NFL?? Is the NFL garbage too?? I realize they are "different" games, but I don't understand at all, the "modern" Fantasy football game, with the 1/10 scoring either. Or, the 100 points in a game scoring, or the negative points etc. But to each their own as they say. If you don't like the 6 pts for Passing TD scoring because it's 'not as much of a challenge", well to me neither are 10 or 12 team leagues where all rosters are essentially stacked. Go to a 14 team league once, or better yet, a 16 teamer, where you must be far more astute, and have much sounder strategies for drafting, because your roster won't be as "loaded" as it is in a 10 or 12 team league.
ffinmyblood
Footballguy
Not that I don't agree with your strategy, I actually think it's sound. But, in 14, or 16 team leagues, this wouldn't work, because the RB's left by Round 4 or 5 for example, are usually REALLY reaches. There's a few sure that "slip through the cracks", but it's almost impossible to load up on "handcuff" RB's in 14 and 16 team leagues.
The only reason I don't do 14 or 16 team leagues is because none of my long time leagues with my friends have that many members. I like doing live drafts with other people in person...not a big fan of joining leagues online with complete stranger since half the fun of the league is bragging rights. It's true that all 3 of my leagues have the same rules. I never claimed to be an expert on every set of rules /league sizes. If you notice in one of my posts above I acknowledge this strategy isn't applicable to every set of rules. Specifically I've only tested it in 12 man ppr leagues since that's all I do.But to say you have to be more astute to do 14 is wrong. You have to be just as astute....just simply apply different strategy. If you're in a 12 man with 11 other good owners depth can be just as big a problem...especially with deep benches. It's all relative.Also...you're not even taking into account that by general, mainstream consensus my team doesn't look anywhere near "stacked" at the beginning of the season. As a matter of fact my teams usually all get the same response...."great wr's but your RB's suck ###". It's definitely a leap of faith and takes conviction to go through with it when real money is on the line.To each their own. For the record I've never had to study or analyze it since as I mentioned I'm not in a 14 or 16 man league but I bet you could do some sort of modified upside down drafting....that's on you to analyze it and come up with your own strategies which are better tailored to your league size but the underlying theory is applicable to any size league....RB's get hurt. Period.
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FF EGGHEAD
Footballguy
I really like this strategy and have kind of used it the past few years in PPR leagues with success.The question I have is this year I joined a neighborhood NON PPR league (haven't played non ppr in years).Is there any way to use this strategy with success with all TDs=6?Start 1qb 2rb 2wr 1te 1flex (rb/wr) 1dst 1kAny advice for non ppr would be greatly appreciated!'Ace08 said:
Lavachebeadsman
Footballguy
Schiano says just a left groin injury.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
"Just"?
