Boldin (1 Viewer)

[Deuce'sWild]

I had Boldin ranked at WR14 until they named Warner the starter. How much does this push his value up?

Would you take him in front of Ocho Cinco, Burress, Holmes, Cal Johnson?

Curious to see what everyone else is doing with Boldin. I think Fitz stays put, he was already top 10 in most cheatsheets....but Boldin is harder to figure out.

My gut says to take him just before Ocho Cinco at WR9.

 

[jon_mx]

Would you take him in front of Ocho Cinco, Burress, Holmes, Cal Johnson?

Yes, No, Yes, No

 

[Deuce'sWild]

Would you take him in front of Ocho Cinco, Burress, Holmes, Cal Johnson?

Yes, No, Yes, No

:( Ok. Care to elaborate.

 

[jon_mx]

Would you take him in front of Ocho Cinco, Burress, Holmes, Cal Johnson?

Yes, No, Yes, No

:( Ok. Care to elaborate.

What so confusing. Burris and Calvin Johnson are borderline top 10 WR, Holmes and Ocho are borderline top 20. Boldin is somewhere in the middle. His stock is up, but he is still a #2 WR on his team. I wouldn't count on him being top 10 unless Warner has an unbelievable year.

 

[bebeskids]

Warner at QB means Fitzgerald's numbers will go through the roof. He is now a top-3 WR in my eyes. Boldin could have benefitted greatly from a productive Matt Leinart at QB---but that wasn't going to happen. Warner's downfield throws favor Fitzgerald, but Arizona will also be more comfortable throwing the ball now. The extra pass attempts and Warner's rapport with Fitzgerald cancel each other out, IMO. I have him around WR14 still. Not much change, maybe a little more consistency without Leinart back there.

 

[David Yudkin]

Boldin per game over the past three seasons (since Warner arrived):

With Warner

6.6 receptions, 88 yards, 0.5 TD

With anyone else at QB

5.4 receptions, 75 yards, 0.44 TD

 

[Otis]

Boldin per game over the past three seasons (since Warner arrived):With Warner6.6 receptions, 88 yards, 0.5 TDWith anyone else at QB5.4 receptions, 75 yards, 0.44 TD

 

[Otis]

Boldin per game over the past three seasons (since Warner arrived):With Warner6.6 receptions, 88 yards, 0.5 TD

By the way, for those keeping score at home, this translates to some serious numbers over 16 games. Boldin's only wild card is not his QB but rather his health.

 

[davidwb]

Both Bolding and Fitz have to improve with Warner at QB.

Now the really interesting question is which one improves by more?

 

[joffer]

Boldin's only wild card is not his QB but rather his health.

or his QB's health

 

[coolice]

He will be top 10 again. With Warner, Boldin is money. I am trying to get him over Fitz

 

[broncofan13000]

Boldin per game over the past three seasons (since Warner arrived):

With Warner

6.6 receptions, 88 yards, 0.5 TD

By the way, for those keeping score at home, this translates to some serious numbers over 16 games. Boldin's only wild card is not his QB but rather his health.

 

[MSULions]

got him at 5.5 today in a 12 team redraft w/ standard scoring (no PPR)...was pretty amazed by that. took Megatron and Santonio Holmes in rounds 3/4 and couldn't believe he was still there after i debated taking him in the 4th. For whatever reason this group felt he wasn't a top 15 WR anymore. He was 19th off the board after guys like Cotchery, Marvin, Ocho Cinco, and even Welker. The latter is the "i should have taken him late last year but now he's a stud" pick this year. i've been amazed at how high he's going.

 

[thehornet]

Would you take him in front of Ocho Cinco, Burress, Holmes, Cal Johnson?

Yes, No, Yes, No

Ok. Care to elaborate.

What so confusing. Burris and Calvin Johnson are borderline top 10 WR, Holmes and Ocho are borderline top 20. Boldin is somewhere in the middle. His stock is up, but he is still a #2 WR on his team. I wouldn't count on him being top 10 unless Warner has an unbelievable year.

chad johnson can and will finish one of these years with the best overall WR numbers. He is more of a top 5 guy than a top 20. Get real, guy.

 

[MSULions]

Would you take him in front of Ocho Cinco, Burress, Holmes, Cal Johnson?

Yes, No, Yes, No

Ok. Care to elaborate.

What so confusing. Burris and Calvin Johnson are borderline top 10 WR, Holmes and Ocho are borderline top 20. Boldin is somewhere in the middle. His stock is up, but he is still a #2 WR on his team. I wouldn't count on him being top 10 unless Warner has an unbelievable year.

chad johnson can and will finish one of these years with the best overall WR numbers. He is more of a top 5 guy than a top 20. Get real, guy.

that doesn't matter a bit this year...he's not going to this year with that shoulder. i honestly don't expect him to play more than 8-10 games and to be at less than 100% in those he does. he's a very big risk for as high as he's still going. get real guy.

 

[thehornet]

Would you take him in front of Ocho Cinco, Burress, Holmes, Cal Johnson?

Yes, No, Yes, No

Ok. Care to elaborate.

What so confusing. Burris and Calvin Johnson are borderline top 10 WR, Holmes and Ocho are borderline top 20. Boldin is somewhere in the middle. His stock is up, but he is still a #2 WR on his team. I wouldn't count on him being top 10 unless Warner has an unbelievable year.

chad johnson can and will finish one of these years with the best overall WR numbers. He is more of a top 5 guy than a top 20. Get real, guy.

that doesn't matter a bit this year...he's not going to this year with that shoulder. i honestly don't expect him to play more than 8-10 games and to be at less than 100% in those he does. he's a very big risk for as high as he's still going. get real guy.

8-10 games? lol. Chad likes stats, period. dude, this is a playable injury. See Kellen Winslow 2007. Many have done it before. He can and will put up monster numbers again. For someone to say he is top 20 while putting Plax and Calvin top 10 is preposterous.

beat it.

sorry for the hijack.

 

[big country]

As an Arizona resident and Boldin owner I was thrilled to hear the news. I see ALOT of Cards games on local TV and its obvious that Warners go to guy is Boldin and Lienert clearly chooses Fitz.

 

[David Yudkin]

As an Arizona resident and Boldin owner I was thrilled to hear the news. I see ALOT of Cards games on local TV and its obvious that Warners go to guy is Boldin and Lienert clearly chooses Fitz.

Too bad the stats don't bear that out. Fitz' numbers with Warner are actually slightly better than Boldin's . . .Fitz' numbers with Warner over the last three years . . .6.74 receptions, 91 yards, 0.63 TDBoldin's numbers with Warner over the last three years . . .6.6 receptions, 88 yards, 0.5 TDFitz' numbers with Leinart . . .5.2 receptions, 71 yards, 0.36 TD

 

[Traders2001]

Would you take him in front of Ocho Cinco, Burress, Holmes, Cal Johnson?

Yes, No, Yes, No

Ok. Care to elaborate.

What so confusing. Burris and Calvin Johnson are borderline top 10 WR, Holmes and Ocho are borderline top 20. Boldin is somewhere in the middle. His stock is up, but he is still a #2 WR on his team. I wouldn't count on him being top 10 unless Warner has an unbelievable year.

chad johnson can and will finish one of these years with the best overall WR numbers. He is more of a top 5 guy than a top 20. Get real, guy.

Chad Johnson is one of the most overrated player in history , he has a big mought and sees himself in the HOK already ...Please.The guy is a good WR 10 - 20 range , but is a 1100 yards 8TD guy that s it .

 

[Deuce'sWild]

As an Arizona resident and Boldin owner I was thrilled to hear the news. I see ALOT of Cards games on local TV and its obvious that Warners go to guy is Boldin and Lienert clearly chooses Fitz.

Too bad the stats don't bear that out. Fitz' numbers with Warner are actually slightly better than Boldin's . . .Fitz' numbers with Warner over the last three years . . .6.74 receptions, 91 yards, 0.63 TDBoldin's numbers with Warner over the last three years . . .6.6 receptions, 88 yards, 0.5 TDFitz' numbers with Leinart . . .5.2 receptions, 71 yards, 0.36 TD

If Boldin makes it 16 games, that would be 1408 yards and 8 Tds....about where Chad finished last year. I don't see Chad doing that again this year...although it's not impossible.Boldin seems like a safer bet this year.thanks David!

 

[David Yudkin]

As an Arizona resident and Boldin owner I was thrilled to hear the news. I see ALOT of Cards games on local TV and its obvious that Warners go to guy is Boldin and Lienert clearly chooses Fitz.

Too bad the stats don't bear that out. Fitz' numbers with Warner are actually slightly better than Boldin's . . .Fitz' numbers with Warner over the last three years . . .6.74 receptions, 91 yards, 0.63 TDBoldin's numbers with Warner over the last three years . . .6.6 receptions, 88 yards, 0.5 TDFitz' numbers with Leinart . . .5.2 receptions, 71 yards, 0.36 TD

If Boldin makes it 16 games, that would be 1408 yards and 8 Tds....about where Chad finished last year. I don't see Chad doing that again this year...although it's not impossible.Boldin seems like a safer bet this year.thanks David!

Bottom line, with Warner both Fitz and Boldin = $$$.As for Ocho Cinco, he has been very consistent and in the Top 10. Whether or not he can do as well with a bum shoulder remains to be seen.

 

[Sinrman]

Boldin per game over the past three seasons (since Warner arrived):With Warner6.6 receptions, 88 yards, 0.5 TDWith anyone else at QB5.4 receptions, 75 yards, 0.44 TD

Yep, I was going to look it up and post the #'s but Yud beat me to it (not a surprise). Warner, even in his old age (for a QB), is the better QB than Leinart. Arizona got that right (for once). He gives them the better chance to win. Fitz and Boldin's value should go up slightly now with Warner in. And this is a good thing, because I have both WRs in a slew of leagues...

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Warner being named starter is a bump for Fitz, Boldin, and Edge... the entire offense's production is lifted by his presence.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Warner being named starter is a bump for Fitz, Boldin, and Edge... the entire offense's production is lifted by his presence.

Absolutely, totally agree with this statement.

 

[thehornet]

Would you take him in front of Ocho Cinco, Burress, Holmes, Cal Johnson?

Yes, No, Yes, No

Ok. Care to elaborate.

What so confusing. Burris and Calvin Johnson are borderline top 10 WR, Holmes and Ocho are borderline top 20. Boldin is somewhere in the middle. His stock is up, but he is still a #2 WR on his team. I wouldn't count on him being top 10 unless Warner has an unbelievable year.

chad johnson can and will finish one of these years with the best overall WR numbers. He is more of a top 5 guy than a top 20. Get real, guy.

Chad Johnson is one of the most overrated player in history , he has a big mought and sees himself in the HOK already ...Please.The guy is a good WR 10 - 20 range , but is a 1100 yards 8TD guy that s it .

,averaged 1340 rec yards a year since entering the NFL (excluding rookie year). that is insane.

 

[thehornet]

i think you can safely bump boldin and fitz. Warner is simply a better QB and will look at those 2 first and second every time.

 

[Gatorman]

This actually is something I am really happy about. Boldin is the perfect guy when healthy for a team, and can only be better with warner in there. Grumbling and contract aside, the dude will perform for a paycheck next year, and while I do not think he finishes as high as Fitz, I could see a true Wayne/Harrison or TJ Housh/CJ type scenario being the case in Arizona.

I have boldin in one of my leagues, and I will be looking for him in my upcoming drafts as well in the third to 4th round.

 

[jon_mx]

Would you take him in front of Ocho Cinco, Burress, Holmes, Cal Johnson?

Yes, No, Yes, No

Ok. Care to elaborate.

What so confusing. Burris and Calvin Johnson are borderline top 10 WR, Holmes and Ocho are borderline top 20. Boldin is somewhere in the middle. His stock is up, but he is still a #2 WR on his team. I wouldn't count on him being top 10 unless Warner has an unbelievable year.

chad johnson can and will finish one of these years with the best overall WR numbers. He is more of a top 5 guy than a top 20. Get real, guy.

This thread was about where they rank. Chad has been downgraded because of his shoulder. Certainly Chad can be a top 5 guy, but he is being drafted WR17-19.

 

[H8fulHuck]

As an Arizona resident and Boldin owner I was thrilled to hear the news. I see ALOT of Cards games on local TV and its obvious that Warners go to guy is Boldin and Lienert clearly chooses Fitz.

Too bad the stats don't bear that out. Fitz' numbers with Warner are actually slightly better than Boldin's . . .Fitz' numbers with Warner over the last three years . . .6.74 receptions, 91 yards, 0.63 TDBoldin's numbers with Warner over the last three years . . .6.6 receptions, 88 yards, 0.5 TDFitz' numbers with Leinart . . .5.2 receptions, 71 yards, 0.36 TD

David,Since you are in a number crunching frame of mind, is there a way to show the targets/rec/yds/TD for Fitz & Bolden when they are BOTH playing together with Warner at QB?My drafts are done, but I am curious. I've looked at the stat lines and thought that Boldin outscored Fitz more often when they were both healthy and playing and Fitz #s jumped a bit when Boldin was out.ETA: I ranked Boldin as a top 10 back in June thinking he may outscore Fitz while healthy.

 

[gianmarco]

ETA: I ranked Boldin as a top 10 back in June thinking he may outscore Fitz while healthy.

That might be the problem. Boldin is a WR

 

[H8fulHuck]

ETA: I ranked Boldin as a top 10 back in June thinking he may outscore Fitz while healthy.

That might be the problem. Boldin is a WR

DOH! :bangsheadonkeyboard:

 

[gianmarco]

ETA: I ranked Boldin as a top 10 back in June thinking he may outscore Fitz while healthy.

That might be the problem. Boldin is a WR :(

DOH! :bangsheadonkeyboard:

You better be careful with "bangsheadonkeyboard". You put a couple spaces in the wrong spot and remove a letter or 2 and you might be banging a donkey on a board.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

As an Arizona resident and Boldin owner I was thrilled to hear the news. I see ALOT of Cards games on local TV and its obvious that Warners go to guy is Boldin and Lienert clearly chooses Fitz.

Too bad the stats don't bear that out. Fitz' numbers with Warner are actually slightly better than Boldin's . . .Fitz' numbers with Warner over the last three years . . .

6.74 receptions, 91 yards, 0.63 TD

Boldin's numbers with Warner over the last three years . . .

6.6 receptions, 88 yards, 0.5 TD

Fitz' numbers with Leinart . . .

5.2 receptions, 71 yards, 0.36 TD

David,Since you are in a number crunching frame of mind, is there a way to show the targets/rec/yds/TD for Fitz & Bolden when they are BOTH playing together with Warner at QB?

My drafts are done, but I am curious. I've looked at the stat lines and thought that Boldin outscored Fitz more often when they were both healthy and playing and Fitz #s jumped a bit when Boldin was out.

ETA: I ranked Boldin as a top 10 back in June thinking he may outscore Fitz while healthy.

Good question.

 

[H8fulHuck]

DOH! :bangsheadonkeyboard:

You better be careful with "bangsheadonkeyboard". You put a couple spaces in the wrong spot and remove a letter or 2 and you might be banging a donkey on a board.

I was. Dang, typed that wrong too.

 

[H8fulHuck]

Just crunched some numbers from last year (don't have the targets though). There were 8 games where Warner, Fitz & Boldin ALL played together last season.

Fitzgerald 54 rec 882 yds 8 TD

Boldin 47 rec 542 yds 6 TD

Boldin's first 3 games back from injury were all less than 40 yds and he improved after that. Even so, Fitz was clearly the better fantasy option other than a monster game for Boldin against ATL 13, 162 & 2 TD.

 

[cmv5]

Just crunched some numbers from last year (don't have the targets though). There were 8 games where Warner, Fitz & Boldin ALL played together last season.Fitzgerald 54 rec 882 yds 8 TDBoldin 47 rec 542 yds 6 TD Boldin's first 3 games back from injury were all less than 40 yds and he improved after that. Even so, Fitz was clearly the better fantasy option other than a monster game for Boldin against ATL 13, 162 & 2 TD.

Exactly, it seemed that Warner seemed to go to Fitzgerald a little more toward the end of the season and let's not forget that Fitzgerald was nursing an injured groin for much of the second half.

 

[David Yudkin]

I went and did a quick review, and it look slike Warner, Boldin, and Fitz have played 20 games together the past 3 years. (There were also a couple of games where Leinart and Warner split time at QB, but I didn't consider those beecause I didn't want to bother trying to figure out who targeted whom and when.)

In those 20 games, here were the averages . . .

Boldin

10 targets, 6.95 receptions, 95.3 receiving yards, 0.5 TD, 12.67 fantasy points

Fitzgerald

10.2 tagets, 6.4 receptions, 86.7 receiving yards, 0.7 TD, 13 fantasy points

Looks pretty even to me . . .

 

[gbill2004]

I went and did a quick review, and it look slike Warner, Boldin, and Fitz have played 20 games together the past 3 years. (There were also a couple of games where Leinart and Warner split time at QB, but I didn't consider those beecause I didn't want to bother trying to figure out who targeted whom and when.)In those 20 games, here were the averages . . .Boldin10 targets, 6.95 receptions, 95.3 receiving yards, 0.5 TD, 12.67 fantasy pointsFitzgerald10.2 tagets, 6.4 receptions, 86.7 receiving yards, 0.7 TD, 13 fantasy pointsLooks pretty even to me . . .

 

[Deuce'sWild]

That gives me a boner. I was down on Boldin when I drafted him two weeks ago...but it's like Kurt Warner is Viagra! Viva Viagra!

 

[Marc Levin]

I went and did a quick review, and it look slike Warner, Boldin, and Fitz have played 20 games together the past 3 years. (There were also a couple of games where Leinart and Warner split time at QB, but I didn't consider those beecause I didn't want to bother trying to figure out who targeted whom and when.)In those 20 games, here were the averages . . .Boldin10 targets, 6.95 receptions, 95.3 receiving yards, 0.5 TD, 12.67 fantasy pointsFitzgerald10.2 tagets, 6.4 receptions, 86.7 receiving yards, 0.7 TD, 13 fantasy pointsLooks pretty even to me . . .

Since we all expect Fitz > Boldin, by definition Warner is better for Boldin.In re: "go-to guy," you need to look at RZ targets and third down targets.I think it will all be a wash - and Boldin does not see significantly greater numbers versus Fitz with Warner, though he is now a better option for your FF squad.

 

[FlapJacks]

That gives me a boner. I was down on Boldin when I drafted him two weeks ago...but it's like Kurt Warner is Viagra! Viva Viagra!

Me tooI'm in the same boat. Couldn't pass him up at 5.03, but now I'm actually litlle excited about it too.