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Bonds to sign with Tampa Bay? (1 Viewer)
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Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Strange.....I don't know why TB would do that...
shadyridr
Footballguy
1. It would def make their team relevant2. A team many think could be solid would be that much better. May be compete for the WC?3. They do have a hole at DH and are lacking HR hitters.Move makes perfect sense IMO
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Yeah but Bonds ain't exactly a clubhouse guy and with all the young talent trying to make a name for themselves and define this team; him being there could be more of a distraction. Plus, how much does he have left?
Capella
Footballguy
Yea, at first glance it seems odd considering they made it a point to move Delmon and Elijah this off-season for clubhouse reasons. Then they brought in guys like Floyd and Percival to add leadership and improve the atmosphere.
On the other hand, this tells me more than anything that the front office thinks it can actually compete and win this year.
On the other hand, this tells me more than anything that the front office thinks it can actually compete and win this year.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
I hate this argument.It could work exactly the opposite. Young guys could learn plate discipline just from watching Bonds. The negative publicity surrounding him could actually HELP the young players by keeping the focus off of them--so they can just relax and play.Clubhouse continuity is completely overrated in baseball. You don't need to work together to win in this sport.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Yeah but what do they have to lose? This isnt a playoff team without him.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Heh? I don't think so...
Capella
Footballguy
of course you do
TLEF316
Footballguy
Well, you don't really have to work with your DH.of course you do
Capella
Footballguy
Rays are going to be far better than the Padres over the next 5 years. Far, far, faaaaaar better.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Good God, I would sooner burn my pinstriped jerseys and jump off the top of the Empire State Building before I ever supported the Yankees doing this.He would be the exact opposite of perfect as the Yankees DH.
MAC_32
Footballguy
No comments? I am in a 16 teamer right now, we start five OF, I have three right now and the best available are of the Adam Jones/Jack Cust/Jay Bruce/Nate McLouth/Felix Pie variety. Would like some opinions on where Bonds fits in that grouping.
commisholio
Come out with your pants down!
Bonds will DH if he signs with an AL team.
Eephus
Footballguy
He still has OF eligibility from standing around on the grass last year w/ the Jints.
commisholio
Come out with your pants down!
Really? Huh. I guess I'll shut up about fantasy baseball.
Bonds and Kent, 2 of the biggest cancers in baseball, were the best players on a very good Giants team for a number of years. I think chemistry helps but it's definitely not determinative of what type of team you'll have. Especially if you are only going to play the guy as a DH, he's just going to sit in the corner and take a few hacks every 3 innings.Capella said:Keys Myaths said:of course you do
RnR
Footballguy
I didn't say there weren't times where two ##### bags could co-exist on the same team and still win. You don't have to look any further than the Colorado Rockies last season to see what a team that is cohesive can produce. Of course Barry Bonds is a useful player, and his "bad influence" would be greatly diminished if he was a DH. My beef was with the notion that "You don't need to work together to win in this sport."Bonds and Kent, 2 of the biggest cancers in baseball, were the best players on a very good Giants team for a number of years. I think chemistry helps but it's definitely not determinative of what type of team you'll have. Especially if you are only going to play the guy as a DH, he's just going to sit in the corner and take a few hacks every 3 innings.Capella said:Keys Myaths said:
pollardsvision
Footballguy
personally, i'd love to bonds go the rays.
it's been said that he's not good for the clubhouse, but i'm skeptical of this. the only people that say this are pantywaste reporters that have never played sports and jeff kent, who himself, is a noted ####head.
all i know is that wherever he's gone, he's played winning baseball. the pirates haven't been worth a #### since he left. the giants made the playoffs 4 times with him (they made the playoffs 2 times from 1971-1989).
it's amazing what kind of reputation you get when you don't like reporters.
the rays would be smart to bring this man in for a few reasons:
1-they have a ton of talented, undisciplined hitters. having the greatest hitter of a generation to watch can only help. if they can't learn to work a count by watching this guy, then they have no hope
2-who knows how much he has left, but last year he hit 28 HRs in 340 ABs, with ridiculous .480 OBP, and less than half the K's of most guys that hit 25+ HRs. i'm not sure what team couldn't use a guy that's either going to get on 1st base or hit a homerun much of the time and never strikeout.
3-it's possible he'd be even more productive not having to play in the field
4-he'll come at a discount, but whatever it costs will be a bargain when considering the revenue it'll create.
5-does anyone still think he can't perform with steroid allegations swirling around him? the pressure should be easing off anyway, now that the stupid public is starting to understand that barry lamar bonds wasn't the only one using them.
6-when GWB pardons clemens, he'll probably also have to pardon bonds to prevent himself from looking like a bigot
i see no downside and plenty of upside. let's do it.
it's been said that he's not good for the clubhouse, but i'm skeptical of this. the only people that say this are pantywaste reporters that have never played sports and jeff kent, who himself, is a noted ####head.
all i know is that wherever he's gone, he's played winning baseball. the pirates haven't been worth a #### since he left. the giants made the playoffs 4 times with him (they made the playoffs 2 times from 1971-1989).
it's amazing what kind of reputation you get when you don't like reporters.
the rays would be smart to bring this man in for a few reasons:
1-they have a ton of talented, undisciplined hitters. having the greatest hitter of a generation to watch can only help. if they can't learn to work a count by watching this guy, then they have no hope
2-who knows how much he has left, but last year he hit 28 HRs in 340 ABs, with ridiculous .480 OBP, and less than half the K's of most guys that hit 25+ HRs. i'm not sure what team couldn't use a guy that's either going to get on 1st base or hit a homerun much of the time and never strikeout.
3-it's possible he'd be even more productive not having to play in the field
4-he'll come at a discount, but whatever it costs will be a bargain when considering the revenue it'll create.
5-does anyone still think he can't perform with steroid allegations swirling around him? the pressure should be easing off anyway, now that the stupid public is starting to understand that barry lamar bonds wasn't the only one using them.
6-when GWB pardons clemens, he'll probably also have to pardon bonds to prevent himself from looking like a bigot
i see no downside and plenty of upside. let's do it.
greedygoat
Footballguy
How do you feel about Giambi as the Yankees DH?
tikigods
Footballguy
I don't see this happening. They already have a log jam of outfielders and will need to have Baldelli DH at times as he recovers from injury. Bonds would have to split time at DH with Gomes and it puts the burden on Maddon who is trying to raise a young, talented team. Bonds not getting his way becomes dangerous in a clubhouse. It could be the same path the Bluejays went on with Hillenbrand.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
No, he wouldn't.
PIK95
Footballguy
of course you do
s never really played the game, and they can't run some numbers on it, so they deem it irrelevant.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
He's a shell of his former self. Doesn't have the same bat speed. Doesn't have as much confidence. He's a platooning DH. What more needs to be said?
Eephus
Footballguy
Clubhouse chemistry is impossible to measure and hard to predict. Some teams have thrived in chaos while others have gone down in flames.Bonds isn't going to turn into Sean Casey this winter. He's never been a great clubhouse presence and has had run-ins with multiple teammates over the years. But the baggage he'd bring with him would probably be a bigger factor than the man himself. A traveling circus of media will follow the Rays but focus on Bonds. That would be a giant distraction that could either unite or divide the clubhouse.
Eephus
Footballguy
Bonds really needs to DH. Omar Vizquel should have OF eligibility this year for all the balls he had to handle in short LF.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Yup, just having a very hard time pulling the trigger. If I pick him and miss I'll be forced to start a Michaels/Delucci like platoon at my OF5, yikes.
Wrigley
Footballguy
And if he doesn't play again this year?
sales would go through the roof.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Does Tampa have a work/release program?
MAC_32
Footballguy
Then I'll have to roll the dice with a platoon like I mentioned earlier. I passed on him for now as Madden was quite persistent on Mike & Mike this morning the Rays hadn't discussed acquiring Bonds, but he is on my radar in a few rounds.
tikigods
Footballguy
Very well said.
