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Boy CNN tried to make the Atlanta shootings all about race (1 Viewer)
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timschochet
Footballguy
My disagreeing is not the point. You claimed they were delighted. Show your work or don’t make such an awful accusation.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
Agreed. The issue here I wish that would be looked at is the trafficking and the living/"working" conditions for these women. I think with our climate today we just go right past that for the headline that fits the narrative. Right now racial politics is what works so it's what is discussed, looking at something like trafficking isn't sexy enough to get real attention.
I didn’t say they were delighted people died, I said that they were delighted that two of the people that died were white. Read the thread, it speaks for itself.
-fish-
Footballguy
Or maybe it’s the people taking a sociopath mass murderer at his word instead of recognizing obvious facts.
Obvious facts like the white man and woman he murdered? And the fact that the definition of racist doesnt include an obsession with getting rub and tugs from them on the regular?
You're encouraging people to read the thread you dispise. You're advertising for the anti-CNN.
You arent in the mass shooting thread. You are in the CNN reporting on mass shooting thread. You keep zigging when you should have zagged.
That is pretty racist to assume a blond haired women is not Asian. She could self-identify as Asian
I miss the old days when all mass shootings were heavily covered as they were a great opportunity to politicize the gun issue. Today only the select mass shootings which assumingly have an anti-white racist component make the cut of stories we are suppose to care about.You're encouraging people to read the thread you dispise. You're advertising for the anti-CNN.
You arent in the mass shooting thread. You are in the CNN reporting on mass shooting thread. You keep zigging when you should have zagged.
Here we go. Making the move from "hate crime" to "white supremacy".
Its the left's and MSM's only playing card.
Keep ignoring mental illness, prostitution, human trafficking and yes, even gun control. White guy shoots and its racist white supremacy, full stop. They are out of control.
Its the left's and MSM's only playing card.
Keep ignoring mental illness, prostitution, human trafficking and yes, even gun control. White guy shoots and its racist white supremacy, full stop. They are out of control.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
How about assuming the massage parlor was giving handjobs when there is no proof of them doing that, racist or no? Do you think all massage parlors do this?
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Eight people dead because of a nut with a gun. But the important thing is the media is mischaracterizing it as a hate crime?
This place is unbelievable.
This place is unbelievable.
supermike80
Footballguy
supermike80
Footballguy
Whatever. Don't have time for this either. If it makes you feel better saying we don't care about the deaths, so be it. Now I'd like to continue with the discussion please. Thanks!
Sabertooth
Footballguy
No kidding. And yet Joe just keeps letting him post. I get suspended for comments like that.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
That would be great actually. Well, not the baseless greased palms part. But I wish he'd leave 2E alone.
Philo Beddoe
Footballguy
CNN.com top headline this morning “White supremacy and hate haunt Asian Americans”
Seems like they are pushing a false narrative and not a mischaracterization. CNN is absolute garbage and worthy of discussion.
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I guess they are ignoring all the black on Asian hate crimes that have happened lately. Gross
Or even more unbelievable, is the important thing is pointing out that people are pointing out the media is mischaracterizing it as a hate crime.
They are not completely ignoring it. They are using the stats of blacks on Asian crime as proof of hate crimes against Asians are rising, blaming it on white supremacy while ignoring the fact on who is actually doing it. Of course the NBA is weighing in heavily with their concern for Asian Lives Matter when it is a white perpetrator. Of course pointing out how grossly politicize the reporting and concern from woke organizations/people are is racists and uncaring. It is not the actual people politicizing death that are the problem, it is pointing out the ugliness of the woke culture which is the problem.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Forbes: Trump’s ‘Damaging Rhetoric’ Contributed To Bias Against Asian-Americans, White House Says After Atlanta Shooting
Bloomberg: Trump Partly to Blame for Threats to Asian Americans, Psaki
Washington Post: Democrats link Atlanta massacre to anti-Asian rhetoric during pandemic
The Hill: Judy Chu blames Trump for rising anti-Asian hate after Atlanta shooting
The New York Times: 8 Dead in Atlanta Spa Shootings, With Fears of Anti-Asian Bias
The Independent: ‘Words have power’: Trump accused of ‘fanning’ anti-Asian sentiment in wake of Atlanta shooting
Global News: Atlanta spa shootings: White House blames Trump admin
Business Insider: 10 Things in Politics: White House links Trump anti-Asian rhetoric to violence
ANI News: No question Trump rhetoric fed anti-Asian bias, says White House
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Stop. Just stop.
He posted their websites. They dont even hide it. I mean jesus. There are also things already written fully acknowledging it and even a piece criticizing police for not protecting sex workers.
You both are trying to fabricate nonsense.
Apparently you havent seen the websites of these places yet because a) they are definitely brothels and b) it couldnt possibly be racist because they have women of all types available.
Philo Beddoe
Footballguy
Yeah I don’t consume msm. I just went there to prove a point. First time I visited msnbc.com as well. Same narrative.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Some people are just late with the fact gathering here it appears. Guy shot up these places because he had an addiction of paying for sex at these places. It's not racist to say that even if these places were exclusively Asian women, which they werent.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I think a decent portion of the problem is that there are a lot of people that seem to be doing this. Their sites don't care what the motivation is, they register that as "well, we got a ton of clicks on this Atlanta article"... and then more of that is produced. It's just an odd fascination with CNN around here.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
This is good advice, but easier said than done. For most of my life, CNN has been the go-to source for easily available and minimally biased news coverage. Not that CNN has ever been completely without bias of course, but it's always been pretty reliable when compared to alternatives like Fox or MSNBC. It was a nice resource for when you just wanted straight news, so you had your basic facts straight before wading off into various opinion/analysis outlets.
Watching CNN die in real time has been kind of traumatic for me. Maybe irrationally so, just because I'm of the exact right age to have grown up with CNN when it was actually innovative. But I don't really think it's irrational. I think it's increasingly the case that people just want to consume media that reinforces their little bubble, which makes it hard for mainstream news outlets to survive. The few that remain -- like the national dailies -- are nearly all pay-walled. I'm hardly the first person to notice this, but we're steadily moving away from a world where we all have a shared set of facts toward a world where stories get bent into whatever narrative best fits our tribe's worldview.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
It's odd that people are fascinated with what one of the top news networks in the world reports?
the moops
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Good post, thanks - I get all that, especially the bolded. I will admit there is what feels like a shrinking pool. There's still NPR, Reuters, BBC, etc.. I was on BBC today and I didn't see a headline like that (admit I could have missed it).
But what seems to be a growing trend is to go to CNN just to play "gotcha", while clicking on things that you don't like (the you isn't specifically you), which feeds into the algorithms that those articles must be what gets clicks. It's really odd. The similar group also rarely answers questions about where they get their news and info - it's mostly just a side step like "I don't use MSM". My guess is headlines are just as click-baity and inflammatory.
Yes, race and division will generate clicks - I don't think that is a huge secret.
timschochet
Footballguy
I have to agree with this.
I almost never agree with @tonydead but we need to go wherever the facts lead us. At the moment, based on what we know, this explanation appears to be exactly on point.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I find it odd to go there if you think it's crap, yes. Fox is a big "news" outlet, I think it's crap, and I couldn't tell you one thing about what is on their site or channel.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I am glad you see it as funny when leftist media intentionally distorts information so as to advance their narrative.
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timschochet
Footballguy
I still strongly disagree with your analysis here.
I still believe CNN can be trusted as reliable source of news reporting. In this case, for example, to the best of my knowledge they never once reported that this was a hate crime; they reported that many people, including many prominent Asian-Americans and other leaders, assumed it was a hate crime, and under the circumstances it was quite reasonable to do so and discuss it on those terms.
glvsav37
Footballguy
I'm late to this party but from a link posted earlier, way down at the bottom:
CNN
But this is 110% an addiction motivated attack that just happens to involve a demographic that typically works in these types of establishments. In the heights of this guys additions to handies, Asian women were A-OK with him and what fueled his needs. But demons are demons and anyone who has had or studies addictive behavior can tell you that often times addicts place their blame on the drug or vice and are so consumed in it that the only way to break free is to eliminate the source (in their mind).
Apparently this dude we just kicked out of his house for porn addiction and had been living in rehab facilities to try and cure his addiction.
Someone posted early on that if sex addition was the problem, why didn't he shoot up a strip joint or adult book store.....but is Asians were the problem why didn't he attack a Sushi restaurant? I'm sure there were a ton more of those then the former.
Mental health is HUUUUUGE issue in this country and it is the match that lights these unfortunate larger issues. This, bullying, isolation and other forms of mental distress need to be take much more seriously in this country.
And in the original intention of the thread, the media's history of whipping people up with their sensationalism driven headlines is not helping either.
CNN
I agree with those who are saying that we are blaming the wrong problem. Is there a rise in Asian violence and bias, sure.
But this is 110% an addiction motivated attack that just happens to involve a demographic that typically works in these types of establishments. In the heights of this guys additions to handies, Asian women were A-OK with him and what fueled his needs. But demons are demons and anyone who has had or studies addictive behavior can tell you that often times addicts place their blame on the drug or vice and are so consumed in it that the only way to break free is to eliminate the source (in their mind).
Apparently this dude we just kicked out of his house for porn addiction and had been living in rehab facilities to try and cure his addiction.
Someone posted early on that if sex addition was the problem, why didn't he shoot up a strip joint or adult book store.....but is Asians were the problem why didn't he attack a Sushi restaurant? I'm sure there were a ton more of those then the former.
Mental health is HUUUUUGE issue in this country and it is the match that lights these unfortunate larger issues. This, bullying, isolation and other forms of mental distress need to be take much more seriously in this country.
And in the original intention of the thread, the media's history of whipping people up with their sensationalism driven headlines is not helping either.
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djmich
Footballguy
Good on you Tim.
Honestly, the part that sucks about this whole thing is that it instantly becomes about "let me figure out how I can use this example to show how much hate there is and how bad our fellow countrypeople are" Its along the lines of where ZigZag was going.
This place (our country) blows.
timschochet
Footballguy
But there IS hate against Asian Americans out there. And it’s something we should address, and try to stop. Whether this example shows it or not.
timschochet
Footballguy
Media is a mirror. If stories appear slanted to you it’s because their viewers or readers have that slant. Media reflects what the public is thinking.
glvsav37
Footballguy
Agreed, but making this issue a "Asian Race" issue make the matter 100% worse. Most peopel outside the area directly effected will not read deep into the story where his sex addiction had much if not all to cause this. All they will see is "Asian motivated shooting" and make it THE talking point.
djmich
Footballguy
We are a country of 350M people, if you bar is "there is hate out there" based on these friggin nutjobs (which come in all colors and very much so in non white colors)...then we will continue to build distrust of each other.
To your point yesterday...one nutjob who apparently set the whole asian population of our country fearing for their lives? Is that rational? Is that healthy. Even if he was a psychotic individual focused on asian hate (but apparently he was just a psychotic guy with sex issues)
shadrap
Footballguy
8 people dead is wrong & tragic. what's is also wrong is major news outlets reporting and hoping it is a racist crime. I don't race to CNN for anything as their news is a a joke. they prove it all the time.
It’s an interesting topic. My gut feeling is that the media has become more of a driver of division than a reflection over the recent years, but I have no data to back that up.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Sometimes an event brings to light things that might have been bubbling under the surface, and people will use that as an opportunity to talk about it more.
HERE is a link to an article and in it a link to a handful of other articles about the uptick of attacks on Asians during the pandemic.
While I agree that we should avoid jumping to conclusions with headlines that assess blame just hours after an attack, I think there was a reason why people used it to talk about the issue.
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