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Bradshaw should be considered a Stud (1 Viewer)

emge

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he's on pace for 1528 yds/12 tds rushing and 244 receiving yards = 249.2 fpts

I think I found my AP... yeah he's also on pace for 12 fumbles

AP 2009

1,383 / 18 Tds 436 rec yds 7 FUM

 
He was on his way to stud status last year before the dreaded walking boot stuff started. Even so played through the pain. Dude runs HARD. If he stays healthy, he should be a quality RB1 the rest of the way..

 
Honestly the only weakness in his game is ball security (kind of a big one I know, but it can be fixed. The brother needs to stop checking himself out on the jumbotron). He can block, he has burst, excellent moves, makes something out of nothing and can catch the ball. I love watching this guy play.

 
He is impressive. The main things keeping him from "stud" status is (1) his lack of track record (i.e., he hasn't done this well for a full season before) and (2) the Giants' track record of using a RBBC. I think both those factors will keep his perceived value low - unless you own him, in which case you feel mighty good right about now. The ball security issue is a problem, but his main competition (Jacobs) has security issues, as well, and just does not look special anymore.

 
He is impressive. The main things keeping him from "stud" status is (1) his lack of track record (i.e., he hasn't done this well for a full season before) and (2) the Giants' track record of using a RBBC. I think both those factors will keep his perceived value low - unless you own him, in which case you feel mighty good right about now. The ball security issue is a problem, but his main competition (Jacobs) has security issues, as well, and just does not look special anymore.
I hate the Giants but I own Bradshaw. I was in the poker room and saw the replay on TV in between hands. My first thought, 'Two weeks in a row. Coughlin is going to bench him.' He was out there on the next series, threw a big block on the pass to Nicks, then came out for Jacobs to steal the TD. This could have been a 130-yard, 3-TD game. That would have put him on the map. Instead, we all get to wait a week to see what the future is. I'll keep him in my lineup.
 
I hate the Giants but I own Bradshaw. I was in the poker room and saw the replay on TV in between hands. My first thought, 'Two weeks in a row. Coughlin is going to bench him.' He was out there on the next series, threw a big block on the pass to Nicks, then came out for Jacobs to steal the TD. This could have been a 130-yard, 3-TD game. That would have put him on the map. Instead, we all get to wait a week to see what the future is. I'll keep him in my lineup.
getting old quick - but you're right with a little correction in the ball security department and we're looking at 30+ pt games - the 8pt swings are killing me though
 
He is impressive. The main things keeping him from "stud" status is (1) his lack of track record (i.e., he hasn't done this well for a full season before) and (2) the Giants' track record of using a RBBC. I think both those factors will keep his perceived value low - unless you own him, in which case you feel mighty good right about now. The ball security issue is a problem, but his main competition (Jacobs) has security issues, as well, and just does not look special anymore.
I agree. He is playing like a stud but his track record is what keeps him back as far as reputation. For owners who are starting him every week, they could care less, they're riding the wave as they should. His other weakness ATM is ball security, he's fumbling too much but when you win 17-3, you get a tap on the butt and tell him let's work on it instead of getting reamed when you lose 17-3.I was on the fence on him and want to thank Dodds for the tie breaker vote (little voice in my head) as they were pretty high on Bradshaw and that helped me with my conviction when it was time to pull the trigger. I can say the same thing for Nicks as well. I have Bradshaw and Nicks in all 4 of my larger money leagues and I can say FBG (Dodds) was higher on those two guys than your average fantasy expert. So kudos so far, let's keep it rolling.
 
Damn Bradshaw I benched him because of his terrible matchup vs the stellar Chicago Bears run defense!! I mean they only give up 2.3 yds per carry right :thumbup: :o :thumbup:

 
Props to Matt Waldman and his RSP, he identified Bradshaw's skills going into his rookie year.

Ever since the NYG Super Bowl run in 2007 Bradshaw has produced and looked like the best Giant RB when given a chance, crazy that it took this long to get more looks. In fairness, last year was tough to get feature back looks as he was banged up all year, but he still produced.

I have said all along that they should have used Bradshaw & Jacobs just like they used Tiki and Jacobs with Bradshaw taking Tiki's feature RB role. Now just have Tiki tutor him on the fumbling issues.

 
Props to Matt Waldman and his RSP, he identified Bradshaw's skills going into his rookie year.Ever since the NYG Super Bowl run in 2007 Bradshaw has produced and looked like the best Giant RB when given a chance, crazy that it took this long to get more looks. In fairness, last year was tough to get feature back looks as he was banged up all year, but he still produced.I have said all along that they should have used Bradshaw & Jacobs just like they used Tiki and Jacobs with Bradshaw taking Tiki's feature RB role. Now just have Tiki tutor him on the fumbling issues.
Waldman also predicted Rice last year and his articles also got me to go with Bradshaw this year.Bradshaw has lost maybe 2-3 balls right at the goalline this year? He could easily have 3 more TD's.
 
Bradshaw has lost maybe 2-3 balls right at the goalline this year? He could easily have 3 more TD's.
At least two. It's my only real concern with the guy going forward. I had a slight hesitation at draft time(in the league I own him we drafted waaay early) about the foot junk from a year ago, but that stuff looks like whatever he had taken care of has 'worked perfectly.' No noticeable difference in his quickness or burst.As mentioned earlier, when he had that bad looking fumble last night I thought immediately "Two weeks in a row inside the 5? Okay, Tom ####'s gonna have his a@#$ in Siberia for the rest of this game.", but he was back in there immediately. That made me feel a little better....til they trundled out Beej to swipe the touchdown. Ah well.Still, I'm not going to complain much with the output so far. If he keeps getting the reps, the TDs will come. He's clearly their go-to guy at this point. They have become a passing team(Manning's putting it up over 30 times a game so far) and Ahmad is a superior receiver and blocker to Jacobs. I'm certain Jacobs will steal a few TDs the rest of the year, but the rest of the heavy lifting looks to be predominantly Bradshaw's, barring injury.
 
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Pretty sure a few of the Hawks around here put the word out. Just have to know who to follow.

Ahmad Bradshaw - He's also the SOD.
Pretty sure I realize that my post is a wasted one, but why do people make posts like the above? Wow, great job! You said that Bradshaw was going to be the SOD in the preseason. Such a "hawk" you are. 110% lameness. :rolleyes:
Take a puff of your inhaler and take a deep breath. Not a big deal. Let the guy gloat a little. No need to attack like a spider monkey.
 
I love him in re-draft.

I would look to move him in dynasty leagues. Health is a major concern. I read that he rarely practices because, up to this point, his body hasn't been able to handle it. I would look to move him in a package for stud.

 
He is impressive. The main things keeping him from "stud" status is (1) his lack of track record (i.e., he hasn't done this well for a full season before) and (2) the Giants' track record of using a RBBC. I think both those factors will keep his perceived value low - unless you own him, in which case you feel mighty good right about now. The ball security issue is a problem, but his main competition (Jacobs) has security issues, as well, and just does not look special anymore.
I hate the Giants but I own Bradshaw. I was in the poker room and saw the replay on TV in between hands. My first thought, 'Two weeks in a row. Coughlin is going to bench him.' He was out there on the next series, threw a big block on the pass to Nicks, then came out for Jacobs to steal the TD. This could have been a 130-yard, 3-TD game. That would have put him on the map. Instead, we all get to wait a week to see what the future is. I'll keep him in my lineup.
Coughlin's not going to bench him over the fumble last night. It wasn't a bad fumble imo. He had broken away and couldn't see the guy chasing behind. That could have happened to anyone. I think the Giants brought in Jacobs because the game was already in hand. Chicago was using their 3rd string QB and that offense was getting worse every play. The fact that Bradshaw came in at all after twisting his ankle tells me how big he is to this team.....much more important than Jacobs who almost fumbled 2 more times than he did. Bradshaw needs to hold onto the ball better but I doubt there's any threat right now of him losing time.
 
As a giant fan I am always a little afraid to pick up a Giants player....and I refuse to roster ANY Eagles....I know you shouldn't bet/play with your heart but I got burned badly by McNabb one year....

I am LOVING Bradshaw...I couldn't understand how underutilized he was after he great play in the year they won the SB but all good things to those who wait! :)

 
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I love him in re-draft. I would look to move him in dynasty leagues. Health is a major concern. I read that he rarely practices because, up to this point, his body hasn't been able to handle it. I would look to move him in a package for stud.
I know that last season this was true: he wouldn't practice but he would play. Where and when did you hear about this season? I thought that the surgery he had was supposed to make his feet all good and that he was fully healthy.
 
I love him in re-draft. I would look to move him in dynasty leagues. Health is a major concern. I read that he rarely practices because, up to this point, his body hasn't been able to handle it. I would look to move him in a package for stud.
I know that last season this was true: he wouldn't practice but he would play. Where and when did you hear about this season? I thought that the surgery he had was supposed to make his feet all good and that he was fully healthy.
I could have been last year when I read it, or an article from last year, if I read it this year. If his feet are healthy and not a health concern moving forward, than he could be a hold, as opposed to a sell high.
 
I love him in re-draft. I would look to move him in dynasty leagues. Health is a major concern. I read that he rarely practices because, up to this point, his body hasn't been able to handle it. I would look to move him in a package for stud.
I know that last season this was true: he wouldn't practice but he would play. Where and when did you hear about this season? I thought that the surgery he had was supposed to make his feet all good and that he was fully healthy.
I could have been last year when I read it, or an article from last year, if I read it this year. If his feet are healthy and not a health concern moving forward, than he could be a hold, as opposed to a sell high.
The issue I've heard is that he runs bow-legged and when he cuts, it puts extra stress on his joints (knees, ankles, hips, etc...) and that he is more prone to injury down the road as the effects add up.
 
After reading this so far what cracks me up about the fumbling talk vs Jacobs coming is Jacobs was the guy who threw his equipment into the stands and it was Jacobs who came in for a single run, lost 5 yards and coughed up the ball mostly unforced. I don't see Coughlin going there...

 
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After reading this so far what cracks me up about the fumbling talk vs Jacobs coming is Jacobs was the guy who threw his equipment into the stands and it was Jacobs who came in for a single run, lost 5 yards and coughed up the ball mostly entirely unforced. I don't see Coughlin going there...
 
Pretty sure a few of the Hawks around here put the word out. Just have to know who to follow.

Ahmad Bradshaw - He's also the SOD.
Pretty sure I realize that my post is a wasted one, but why do people make posts like the above? Wow, great job! You said that Bradshaw was going to be the SOD in the preseason. Such a "hawk" you are. 110% lameness. :thumbdown:
Nobody pats themself on the back more than Clifton. He is the self proclaimed fantasy god

 
It wasn't a bad fumble imo. He had broken away and couldn't see the guy chasing behind.
Bradshaw was looking at the video screen on the sidelines. Trying to watch himself as he scored?. :lmao: Link
I wish I could remember who it was, but I read somewhere once that this particular player looked at the screen a lot ot see if anyone was behind him rather than turning and slowing down. Perhaps that was what Bradshaw was doing.
 
It wasn't a bad fumble imo. He had broken away and couldn't see the guy chasing behind.
Bradshaw was looking at the video screen on the sidelines. Trying to watch himself as he scored?. :thumbup: Link
I wish I could remember who it was, but I read somewhere once that this particular player looked at the screen a lot ot see if anyone was behind him rather than turning and slowing down. Perhaps that was what Bradshaw was doing.
I believe that was Randy Moss. Regardless, Bradshaw gets a big fat FAIL for looking at the screen and not seeing the guy behind him on it.
 
Bradshaw is a talented guy who runs kind of similar to ADP...very aggressively. However, the Giants will be a better team when they use more Jacobs than they are right now. I expect this to eat into some of Bradshaw's fantasy value but will be better for the Giants. just stating this so that people don't go and overpay expecting better production than he has given (the people noting the TD's he has lost). I would not expect any increase in production and in fact, would expect a slightly decreased amount of production (remember Eli has not thrown for a lot of TD's either.

 
I believe that was Randy Moss. Regardless, Bradshaw gets a big fat FAIL for looking at the screen and not seeing the guy behind him on it.
I can recall Hines Ward mentioning he's done it as well.But yeah....if you WERE watching the screen, how'd you miss the guy swiping at your back arm?
 
Bradshaw is a talented guy who runs kind of similar to ADP...very aggressively. However, the Giants will be a better team when they use more Jacobs than they are right now. I expect this to eat into some of Bradshaw's fantasy value but will be better for the Giants. just stating this so that people don't go and overpay expecting better production than he has given (the people noting the TD's he has lost). I would not expect any increase in production and in fact, would expect a slightly decreased amount of production (remember Eli has not thrown for a lot of TD's either.
I disagree. Jacobs hasn't shown anything on the field that indicates he needs more carries. Bradshaw needs to get where he automatically carries the ball higher, against his body to get three points of contact on the ball, then he'll get more TDs and will sustain drives so everyone's numbers go up. With so many balls being tipped and Bradshaw running well, I think the RB coach (the same that taught Tiki to stop fumbling) spends extra time working on that with Ahmad and the team leans on Bradshaw and the running game. That's the simplest way to get the Giants back to winning.I'd hold Bradshaw, his numbers will go up if he learns to secure the ball better. I think he will.Buy now, if you don't have him.
 
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Debating the sell high or hold on him now. I might try to move Benson instead. I think having AP, Foster and Bradshaw outweighs anything I would get in return for Bradshaw at this point (short of a #1 WR).

 
It wasn't a bad fumble imo. He had broken away and couldn't see the guy chasing behind.
Bradshaw was looking at the video screen on the sidelines. Trying to watch himself as he scored?. :goodposting: Link
He was trying to see the screen to see if there was someone behind him. Guys do this all the time.His biggest fault on the play (besides not securing the ball better) was actually waiting too long to look at the screen. He looked over his left shoulder several times first, and then right as he turned his eyes up to the screen the ball got punched out by a defender over his right shoulder that he didn't see when looking back. If he had looked up at the screen first (rather than over his shoulder) he would have seen that guy.

 
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I believe that was Randy Moss. Regardless, Bradshaw gets a big fat FAIL for looking at the screen and not seeing the guy behind him on it.
I can recall Hines Ward mentioning he's done it as well.But yeah....if you WERE watching the screen, how'd you miss the guy swiping at your back arm?
I recall Cris Carter saying he taught Randy Moss to use the Jumbotrons on passes so you don't alert the DB that the ball might be in the air and turning to look at the QB slows you down.
 
It wasn't a bad fumble imo. He had broken away and couldn't see the guy chasing behind.
Bradshaw was looking at the video screen on the sidelines. Trying to watch himself as he scored?. :goodposting: Link
He was trying to see the screen to see if there was someone behind him. Guys do this all the time.His biggest fault on the play (besides not securing the ball better) was actually waiting too long to look at the screen. He looked over his left shoulder several times first, and then right as he turned his eyes up to the screen the ball got punched out by a defender over his right shoulder that he didn't see when looking back. If he had looked up at the screen first (rather than over his shoulder) he would have seen that guy.
Yeah, Yahoo is full of BS. I saw no reason to believe he was trying to showboat or anything. He looked over his left shoulder, and looked up right as it was getting punched out. I don't see why he gets slammed for fumbling and Jacobs doesn't. I mean, they both fumbled...Bradshaw at least fumbled at the end of a LONG run. Not that either are better, but at least he can run before he fumbles!
 
Bracshaw is basically a feature back on a team that loves to run the ball. Very few of those in the league anymore. In redraft this is a guy who will help you win your league.

 
Bradshaw is a talented guy who runs kind of similar to ADP...very aggressively. However, the Giants will be a better team when they use more Jacobs than they are right now. I expect this to eat into some of Bradshaw's fantasy value but will be better for the Giants. just stating this so that people don't go and overpay expecting better production than he has given (the people noting the TD's he has lost). I would not expect any increase in production and in fact, would expect a slightly decreased amount of production (remember Eli has not thrown for a lot of TD's either.
With all due respect. WHAT? Did you watch the giants last year? I couldn't disagree more. Jacobs is a total liability out there. Sometime after he signed his most recent contract he decided to stop hitting holes and lowering his shoulder on would be tacklers. He can't catch passes out of the backfield and his pass protection is non-existent. Don't get me started on his propensity for personal fouls. The mix they have now is perfect. Last thing they need to do is have Jacobs start taking away Bradshaw's touches. No increased playing time for Jacobs. No. Nada. Nunca. Zilch.
 
He is impressive. The main things keeping him from "stud" status is (1) his lack of track record (i.e., he hasn't done this well for a full season before) and (2) the Giants' track record of using a RBBC. I think both those factors will keep his perceived value low - unless you own him, in which case you feel mighty good right about now. The ball security issue is a problem, but his main competition (Jacobs) has security issues, as well, and just does not look special anymore.
This is the big one to me. I don't have faith in the Giants to make Bradshaw their every down back, especially with the fumbles. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jacobs cut in the offseason and someone else brought it to split carries with Bradshaw.
 
This is the big one to me. I don't have faith in the Giants to make Bradshaw their every down back, especially with the fumbles. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jacobs cut in the offseason and someone else brought it to split carries with Bradshaw.
Jacobs might get cut. I don't think the team will grab a FA like Lynch that could compete with Bradshaw, they may get a FA that would be a backup to compete with Ware. The draft is a different matter, if Bradshaw see's competition it will be from someone they draft. The Giants usually go BPA in the first few rounds, if a RB that they have ranked well above any other position is there then they may take him, if not it would be because they trade down and are sold on Bradshaw. I'd say Bradshaw is fairly safe dynasty wise since the chances that a RB that the Giants just can't pass up is on the board at their pick is probably slim.

 
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FreeBaGeL said:
His biggest fault on the play (besides not securing the ball better) was actually waiting too long to look at the screen.
I really don't think there is any coach in the NFL that would agree that looking at the TV screen on the sidelines is a good idea.Let's assume that Bradshaw looks at the screen and sees a defender behind him. What is he going to do differently based on that info? Run faster? Make sure the ball is secure? He should already be doing both - running as fast as he can and making sure the ball is secure. Trying to look at the TV and process that information will only slow you down.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
His biggest fault on the play (besides not securing the ball better) was actually waiting too long to look at the screen.
I really don't think there is any coach in the NFL that would agree that looking at the TV screen on the sidelines is a good idea.Let's assume that Bradshaw looks at the screen and sees a defender behind him. What is he going to do differently based on that info? Run faster? Make sure the ball is secure? He should already be doing both - running as fast as he can and making sure the ball is secure. Trying to look at the TV and process that information will only slow you down.
Guys have been doing it since they started putting big screens into NFL stadiums. It's not 'show boating' or 'hot dogging.' Players do it for reasons, last night being a prime example are well founded. If Bradshaw had looked up and seen that guy sooner he wouldn't have lost the ball. In college, if you were in the open field they taught us to do it as well. Check out this article: JUMBOTRON ARTICLE
 
FreeBaGeL said:
His biggest fault on the play (besides not securing the ball better) was actually waiting too long to look at the screen.
I really don't think there is any coach in the NFL that would agree that looking at the TV screen on the sidelines is a good idea.Let's assume that Bradshaw looks at the screen and sees a defender behind him. What is he going to do differently based on that info? Run faster? Make sure the ball is secure? He should already be doing both - running as fast as he can and making sure the ball is secure. Trying to look at the TV and process that information will only slow you down.
He's going to wrap up the ball with 2 hands since he knows someone is right behind him.
 
He's 62 years old, which is a bit old to be put out to stud. But he has had a number of wives. I suppose he could still be considered a stud.

 
Just read on Fanball that Bradshaw was walking with a "significant limp" today, any reports from the NY area on this?
I'm really not too concerned. He was basically immobilized w/ broken bones in his feet Monday-Saturday last year. Unless he has a foot amputated I have to think he'll be out there running wild every Sunday.
 
Just read on Fanball that Bradshaw was walking with a "significant limp" today, any reports from the NY area on this?
Haven't heard much, but the way he was squirming over it, and that he was able to get back in, i think it may have been a bone bruise. Coughlin after the game said it might be a slight sprain. It didn't even come up in the postgame interview with Bradshaw.EDIT: sorry I got what Coughlin said wrong, Coughlin said "little ankle injury", he didn't use the word sprain.
 
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Just read on Fanball that Bradshaw was walking with a "significant limp" today, any reports from the NY area on this?
Haven't heard much, but the way he was squirming over it, and that he was able to get back in, i think it may have been a bone bruise. Coughlin after the game said it might be a slight sprain. It didn't even come up in the postgame interview with Bradshaw.
Cool, thanks guys, very much appreciated :thumbup:
 
Bradshaw is a talented guy who runs kind of similar to ADP...very aggressively. However, the Giants will be a better team when they use more Jacobs than they are right now. I expect this to eat into some of Bradshaw's fantasy value but will be better for the Giants. just stating this so that people don't go and overpay expecting better production than he has given (the people noting the TD's he has lost). I would not expect any increase in production and in fact, would expect a slightly decreased amount of production (remember Eli has not thrown for a lot of TD's either.
I disagree. Jacobs hasn't shown anything on the field that indicates he needs more carries. Bradshaw needs to get where he automatically carries the ball higher, against his body to get three points of contact on the ball, then he'll get more TDs and will sustain drives so everyone's numbers go up. With so many balls being tipped and Bradshaw running well, I think the RB coach (the same that taught Tiki to stop fumbling) spends extra time working on that with Ahmad and the team leans on Bradshaw and the running game. That's the simplest way to get the Giants back to winning.I'd hold Bradshaw, his numbers will go up if he learns to secure the ball better. I think he will.Buy now, if you don't have him.
Jacobs has had so few carries and remember he had a 25 yard carry called back. however, you miss the point. Jacobs carries wear down the opposing defenses and hurt them. the opposing teams need to feel Jacobs and this allows the entire team to do better. I can't give a more crystal clear example than when Jacobs ran over Woodson and the rest of the game Woodson didn't go near any Giant player for a tackle. The Giants would be much better suited to go with the hot hand, but divide the carries up (60% Bradshaw)to keep both fresh. BTW, after long runs, they must take each other out, I predicted the Bradshaw fumble two weeks ago and I think the main culprit was that he was tired. When you get tired you get a little lazy with the ball.
 
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It wasn't a bad fumble imo. He had broken away and couldn't see the guy chasing behind.
Bradshaw was looking at the video screen on the sidelines. Trying to watch himself as he scored?. :shrug: Link
He was trying to see the screen to see if there was someone behind him. Guys do this all the time.His biggest fault on the play (besides not securing the ball better) was actually waiting too long to look at the screen. He looked over his left shoulder several times first, and then right as he turned his eyes up to the screen the ball got punched out by a defender over his right shoulder that he didn't see when looking back. If he had looked up at the screen first (rather than over his shoulder) he would have seen that guy.
Yeah, Yahoo is full of BS. I saw no reason to believe he was trying to showboat or anything. He looked over his left shoulder, and looked up right as it was getting punched out. I don't see why he gets slammed for fumbling and Jacobs doesn't. I mean, they both fumbled...Bradshaw at least fumbled at the end of a LONG run. Not that either are better, but at least he can run before he fumbles!
Jacobs fumble was his fault, but it was not because he wasn't taking care of the ball...he never received it
 

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