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TE Jonnu Smith, PIT (1 Viewer)
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This thread needs more Jonnu analysis. From Barry Jackson of the Herald (Miami pounced on the domain name). I a little hyped about Smith now as a Miami fan. For fantasy, it still comes down to usage.
>>Smith’s addition will make the Dolphins’ passing game more dangerous in 12 personnel (which features one running back, two receivers, two tight ends at the same time) and likely compel them to use that package more often. Last season, the Dolphins used two tight-end sets on just 98 plays, per TruMedia. Only the Rams ran fewer plays out of 12 personnel (58). The Dolphins passed on 31 of those plays and those passing plays averaged just 6.6 yards per attempt, which tied for 23rd in the league.
The Dolphins’ two-tight end sets (usually Durham Smythe and Julian Hill) had success running the ball, averaging 6.4 yards per carry in 12 personnel, which was best in the NFL.
Because Miami ran so well out of 12 personnel last season, Miami’s 6.3 average yards per play out of 12 personnel tied with Tennessee for second best, behind only the 49ers’ 6.7 average per play. With a serviceable receiver in Smythe (35 catches in 43 catches for career-high 366 yards last season) and a very good one in Smith, there will be more motivation to use 12 personnel and less predictability when Miami uses it because neither player is deficient as a blocker or receiver. Smith pass blocked only 44 times for Atlanta last season, and he allowed no sacks and just three pressures, which is excellent. PFF rated him the 14th best pass blocking tight end among 74. PFF rated Smith and Julian Hill as below-average run blockers. But Hill had some very good moments as a run blocker last season, and Smith is very competent in that area. Per 3YardsPerCarry’s Chris Kouffman, Miami averaged just 2.1 yards per run and 5.1 yards per pass out of 12 personnel in 2022, when Mike Gesicki and Smythe were the primary tandem.
The difference now is that Smith is considered a better blocker than Gesicki and can line up in-line far more often (and more successfully) than Gesicki, creating a new wrinkle for defenses. Smith’s addition also lessens the need to pay significant money for a No. 3 wide receiver. Miami still needs a competent one, but Smith can pick up some of the targets that would go to a No. 3. Keep in mind that Miami threw a league-low 52 passes to tight ends last season. Twenty two individual tight ends had more targets than that.
Here’s another other area where Smith really helps: He led all NFL tight ends in average YAC (yards after catch) per reception over the past three seasons, including 7.3 last season. Conversely, Miami’s tight ends averaged 3.0 in YAC last season, which was worst in the league. Former Washington Commanders coach Ron Rivera, appearing as an analyst on ESPN, explained how helpful it is to have a player like that on a team with speedy Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle on the outside: “When you try to stop that deep threat, there’s a big opening underneath. If you get a tight end that can catch and run, that’s big threat for your offense.”
Smith can do a lot of damage in general, but particularly when teams play the two high-safety looks that slowed the Dolphins’ offense at times last season. Among players with more than 22 catches last season, Smith and 49ers Pro Bowler George Kittle led the NFL in YAC average at 7.3 per catch. Overall, Smith was eighth in yards-after-catch among tight ends with 366.
The Dolphins already have two of the league’s fastest receivers (Hill and Waddle) and two of the fastest running backs (Raheem Mostert and DeVon Achane). And now, based on play speed, they have one of the league’s faster tight ends. Per Next Gen Stats, Smith has also reached at least 20 miles per hour on five separate occasions since 2018, tied for the most among tight ends over that span. In 2023, Smith reached a top speed of 21.15 mph, the third-fastest speed by any tight end in the NGS era.
Since 2018, Smith and Evan Engram are tied for the most 20-plus mile per hour touches among tight ends, with five apiece. Darren Waller and George Kittle are next on the list with three.
Smith has proven to be effective on screens and in the red zone. In the red zone, he has been thrown 38 passes during the past four seasons and caught 23 of them, with 10 touchdowns. Because the Chase Claypool trade didn’t work out, Miami lacked a legitimate red zone threat with size last season. Smith, at 6-3, should solve that problem. On screens, Smith finished the season with the third-most YAC over expected on screens (+71), behind only Rachaad White and Deebo Samuel, per NextGen Stats. Keep in mind that the Dolphins threw 42 screens to wide receivers last season, tied for most in the NFL, but just one to tight ends. Last season, Smith caught 11 screens for 136 yards (12.4 per reception) and two touchdowns.
Smith had his most success working with Arthur Smith, both as Tennessee’s tight ends coach and offensive coordinator (for four years) and last year, as Falcons coach, when Jonnu Smith set career highs in receptions (50) and receiving yards (582).
In between were two underwhelming seasons in New England, where he caught 55 passes for 539 yards combined in 2021 and 2022 and where he was hurt by mediocre quarterback play and offensive coaching, among other things. “Jonnu is somebody that’s made plays in big-time games, and he’s been good,” Arthur Smith said. “He’s a great catch-and-run player. He’s hard to tackle. You can call him a tight end but he [can] be a [pseudo] running back or a receiver.” In his career, Smith has rushed 17 times for 127 yards – 7.5 per carry.
Overall last season, PFF rated Smith 38th and Smythe 56th among 72 qualifying tight ends. ▪ Smith caught 50 of 70 targets last season, but only seven tight ends had more drops than Smith’s five last season. He fumbled once. ▪ Of his 50 catches, 26 went for first downs. ▪ Only five tight ends had more penalties than Smith’s five last season. His 653 snaps were 25th most among tight ends; Smythe was 11th with 839 snaps. ▪ Falcons quarterbacks had a 100 passer rating when targeting Smith; it wasn’t higher because of the drops, but more so, the erratic play of quarterbacks Desmond Ridder and Taylor Heinicke. Smythe was at 101.7.
Smith played 51 and 49 percent of the Patriots’ offensive snaps in his two seasons there and 58 percent in Atlanta last season. As perspective, Smythe played 76 percent of Miami’s offensive snaps last season, up from 58 percent in 2022, when he was paired with Gesicki. ▪ Smith will become the first FIU player to appear in a regular season game for the Dolphins.<<
Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article286392305.html#storylink=cpy
>>Smith’s addition will make the Dolphins’ passing game more dangerous in 12 personnel (which features one running back, two receivers, two tight ends at the same time) and likely compel them to use that package more often. Last season, the Dolphins used two tight-end sets on just 98 plays, per TruMedia. Only the Rams ran fewer plays out of 12 personnel (58). The Dolphins passed on 31 of those plays and those passing plays averaged just 6.6 yards per attempt, which tied for 23rd in the league.
The Dolphins’ two-tight end sets (usually Durham Smythe and Julian Hill) had success running the ball, averaging 6.4 yards per carry in 12 personnel, which was best in the NFL.
Because Miami ran so well out of 12 personnel last season, Miami’s 6.3 average yards per play out of 12 personnel tied with Tennessee for second best, behind only the 49ers’ 6.7 average per play. With a serviceable receiver in Smythe (35 catches in 43 catches for career-high 366 yards last season) and a very good one in Smith, there will be more motivation to use 12 personnel and less predictability when Miami uses it because neither player is deficient as a blocker or receiver. Smith pass blocked only 44 times for Atlanta last season, and he allowed no sacks and just three pressures, which is excellent. PFF rated him the 14th best pass blocking tight end among 74. PFF rated Smith and Julian Hill as below-average run blockers. But Hill had some very good moments as a run blocker last season, and Smith is very competent in that area. Per 3YardsPerCarry’s Chris Kouffman, Miami averaged just 2.1 yards per run and 5.1 yards per pass out of 12 personnel in 2022, when Mike Gesicki and Smythe were the primary tandem.
The difference now is that Smith is considered a better blocker than Gesicki and can line up in-line far more often (and more successfully) than Gesicki, creating a new wrinkle for defenses. Smith’s addition also lessens the need to pay significant money for a No. 3 wide receiver. Miami still needs a competent one, but Smith can pick up some of the targets that would go to a No. 3. Keep in mind that Miami threw a league-low 52 passes to tight ends last season. Twenty two individual tight ends had more targets than that.
Here’s another other area where Smith really helps: He led all NFL tight ends in average YAC (yards after catch) per reception over the past three seasons, including 7.3 last season. Conversely, Miami’s tight ends averaged 3.0 in YAC last season, which was worst in the league. Former Washington Commanders coach Ron Rivera, appearing as an analyst on ESPN, explained how helpful it is to have a player like that on a team with speedy Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle on the outside: “When you try to stop that deep threat, there’s a big opening underneath. If you get a tight end that can catch and run, that’s big threat for your offense.”
Smith can do a lot of damage in general, but particularly when teams play the two high-safety looks that slowed the Dolphins’ offense at times last season. Among players with more than 22 catches last season, Smith and 49ers Pro Bowler George Kittle led the NFL in YAC average at 7.3 per catch. Overall, Smith was eighth in yards-after-catch among tight ends with 366.
The Dolphins already have two of the league’s fastest receivers (Hill and Waddle) and two of the fastest running backs (Raheem Mostert and DeVon Achane). And now, based on play speed, they have one of the league’s faster tight ends. Per Next Gen Stats, Smith has also reached at least 20 miles per hour on five separate occasions since 2018, tied for the most among tight ends over that span. In 2023, Smith reached a top speed of 21.15 mph, the third-fastest speed by any tight end in the NGS era.
Since 2018, Smith and Evan Engram are tied for the most 20-plus mile per hour touches among tight ends, with five apiece. Darren Waller and George Kittle are next on the list with three.
Smith has proven to be effective on screens and in the red zone. In the red zone, he has been thrown 38 passes during the past four seasons and caught 23 of them, with 10 touchdowns. Because the Chase Claypool trade didn’t work out, Miami lacked a legitimate red zone threat with size last season. Smith, at 6-3, should solve that problem. On screens, Smith finished the season with the third-most YAC over expected on screens (+71), behind only Rachaad White and Deebo Samuel, per NextGen Stats. Keep in mind that the Dolphins threw 42 screens to wide receivers last season, tied for most in the NFL, but just one to tight ends. Last season, Smith caught 11 screens for 136 yards (12.4 per reception) and two touchdowns.
Smith had his most success working with Arthur Smith, both as Tennessee’s tight ends coach and offensive coordinator (for four years) and last year, as Falcons coach, when Jonnu Smith set career highs in receptions (50) and receiving yards (582).
In between were two underwhelming seasons in New England, where he caught 55 passes for 539 yards combined in 2021 and 2022 and where he was hurt by mediocre quarterback play and offensive coaching, among other things. “Jonnu is somebody that’s made plays in big-time games, and he’s been good,” Arthur Smith said. “He’s a great catch-and-run player. He’s hard to tackle. You can call him a tight end but he [can] be a [pseudo] running back or a receiver.” In his career, Smith has rushed 17 times for 127 yards – 7.5 per carry.
Overall last season, PFF rated Smith 38th and Smythe 56th among 72 qualifying tight ends. ▪ Smith caught 50 of 70 targets last season, but only seven tight ends had more drops than Smith’s five last season. He fumbled once. ▪ Of his 50 catches, 26 went for first downs. ▪ Only five tight ends had more penalties than Smith’s five last season. His 653 snaps were 25th most among tight ends; Smythe was 11th with 839 snaps. ▪ Falcons quarterbacks had a 100 passer rating when targeting Smith; it wasn’t higher because of the drops, but more so, the erratic play of quarterbacks Desmond Ridder and Taylor Heinicke. Smythe was at 101.7.
Smith played 51 and 49 percent of the Patriots’ offensive snaps in his two seasons there and 58 percent in Atlanta last season. As perspective, Smythe played 76 percent of Miami’s offensive snaps last season, up from 58 percent in 2022, when he was paired with Gesicki. ▪ Smith will become the first FIU player to appear in a regular season game for the Dolphins.<<
Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article286392305.html#storylink=cpy
rockaction
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^ Thanks for that. The Herald is behind a paywall, I think.
BLOCKED_PUNT
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New Dolphins tight end Jonnu Smith: What you should know
Tight end Jonnu Smith is coming off the best season of his career as he joins the Dolphins. He's the first player from FIU to sign with Miami.
www.palmbeachpost.com
Concerned about violence in the neighborhood, Smith’s mother decided to send Jonnu to live with his aunt and uncle in Ocala.
When a couple of guys who were up to no good
Startin', makin' trouble in my neighborhood
I got in one lil' fight and my mom got scared
She said, "You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Ocala
Jonnu Smith will henceforth be known as the fresh prince of Ocala!
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Usually when it’s undisclosed it’s not too bad.He's got an injury that sounds like it hasn't been disclosed
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Usually, anyway.
Hoping for the best, because I’ve read some off-season stuff that indicated that Jonnu would be used as an offensive weapon, which runs contrary to the narrative about MIA TE’s.
Makes him a more intriguing player.
Coach plans to use Jonnu on some running plays, like they did with Ezukanma early last year before he got injured. But, I don't see him being a consistent fantasy option given the other weapons on offense.Usually when it’s undisclosed it’s not too bad.He's got an injury that sounds like it hasn't been disclosed
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Usually, anyway.
Hoping for the best, because I’ve read some off-season stuff that indicated that Jonnu would be used as an offensive weapon, which runs contrary to the narrative about MIA TE’s.
Makes him a more intriguing player.
I expect a few RZ TDs from Miami TEs, helping Tua's stats, taking away some RB TDs. Recall that Miami in 2023 was the only team with 0 TE TDs and had the fewest targets to TEs, 53 in 17 games. That should go up modestly. Smythe and Julian Hill should get 2 to 4 TDs between them; Tua unsuccessfully forced the ball on short yardage and GL plays to short WRs.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He definitely brings much needed size to their offense.Coach plans to use Jonnu on some running plays, like they did with Ezukanma early last year before he got injured. But, I don't see him being a consistent fantasy option given the other weapons on offense.Usually when it’s undisclosed it’s not too bad.He's got an injury that sounds like it hasn't been disclosed
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Usually, anyway.
Hoping for the best, because I’ve read some off-season stuff that indicated that Jonnu would be used as an offensive weapon, which runs contrary to the narrative about MIA TE’s.
Makes him a more intriguing player.
I expect a few RZ TDs from Miami TEs, helping Tua's stats, taking away some RB TDs. Recall that Miami in 2023 was the only team with 0 TE TDs and had the fewest targets to TEs, 53 in 17 games. That should go up modestly. Smythe and Julian Hill should get 2 to 4 TDs between them; Tua unsuccessfully forced the ball on short yardage and GL plays to short WRs.
I think Jonnu will again have sneaky TE value for FF this year. He can be a chain mover underneath. I know McDaniel didn’t use Gesicki much, but like I said, I’ve read some stuff this offseason that’s led me to believe they see Jonnu as being a matchup nightmare for LB & S underneath.
Arthur used Jonnu all over also often shifting him to watch who was covering who presnap.
He's an exceptional down field blocker, maybe best ever. Henry and AJB etc surely owe a dozen long gains to his blocks.
Belichick was stealing him from TEN to do all these shifts and force matchups and ....the ol' genius really looked curiously lost.
After last year's usage in ATL, McDaniel sounds like he wants a turn doing the same.
Every now n then he'll boast of Jonnu's speed or Brewer's and ...he wants some big boys to get out in front.
Jonnu is older. He's not what he was. He is however better than some sixth LB or fifth safety on a team's depth chart. By November, with injuries piling up, he can get some oddly good matchups. The best defenders simply will not be on him playing Miami just as in ATL. I wouldn't be surprised if he starts off slow though.
The hard core film guys love Jonnu. I can't do it justice here but pick your fave on youtube and they'll be showing it
He's an exceptional down field blocker, maybe best ever. Henry and AJB etc surely owe a dozen long gains to his blocks.
Belichick was stealing him from TEN to do all these shifts and force matchups and ....the ol' genius really looked curiously lost.
After last year's usage in ATL, McDaniel sounds like he wants a turn doing the same.
Every now n then he'll boast of Jonnu's speed or Brewer's and ...he wants some big boys to get out in front.
Jonnu is older. He's not what he was. He is however better than some sixth LB or fifth safety on a team's depth chart. By November, with injuries piling up, he can get some oddly good matchups. The best defenders simply will not be on him playing Miami just as in ATL. I wouldn't be surprised if he starts off slow though.
The hard core film guys love Jonnu. I can't do it justice here but pick your fave on youtube and they'll be showing it
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
30+ in my TEP yesterday. 25+ last week.
It's a shame the Dolphins don't throw to the TEs at all.
It's a shame the Dolphins don't throw to the TEs at all.
Max Power
Footballguy
I'd love to pick him up, but I think he goes back to the under once Tua returns... Which could be this weekend30+ in my TEP yesterday. 25+ last week.
It's a shame the Dolphins don't throw to the TEs at all.
rockaction
Footballguy
Hoo baby. What a day. I was convinced he was dead going to Miami. Looks like I was wrong.
I started him today in TE Premium.
Very nice.
6/101 2 TD (1, 57)
And the play on fourth down and one was called and designed for him. Sweet.
I started him today in TE Premium.
Very nice.
6/101 2 TD (1, 57)
And the play on fourth down and one was called and designed for him. Sweet.
rockaction
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Another day today in TE Premium or just PPR
9/87 with a touchdown for 28.20 points.
What a boon this guy has been to lineups!
9/87 with a touchdown for 28.20 points.
What a boon this guy has been to lineups!
I got my shares of Jonnu this summer and posted some about wait til November above.
Of course I'm pleased for FF but it makes me sad the Titans have another terrific athlete TE in Chig but they are never ever on the same page with him.
You really gotta appreciate Jonnu learning the offense backwards n forward, learning his role, and doing whatever he can in that role. His knowledge and willingness empowers the coach to use him different ways.
Whether it's Pitts or Chig, I've always got that "you don't watch the game" feel when people comment solely about the athleticism and potential. Jonnu is the professional one doing every facet of his job. TE can be a tough dirty job on alot of snaps. Sure there's some pretty ones but there's a lot of grunt work. Those two are receivers playing TE.
And Jonnu learned it from Delanie who was excellent for a bit but he started as a FB and kick returner.
Of course I'm pleased for FF but it makes me sad the Titans have another terrific athlete TE in Chig but they are never ever on the same page with him.
You really gotta appreciate Jonnu learning the offense backwards n forward, learning his role, and doing whatever he can in that role. His knowledge and willingness empowers the coach to use him different ways.
Whether it's Pitts or Chig, I've always got that "you don't watch the game" feel when people comment solely about the athleticism and potential. Jonnu is the professional one doing every facet of his job. TE can be a tough dirty job on alot of snaps. Sure there's some pretty ones but there's a lot of grunt work. Those two are receivers playing TE.
And Jonnu learned it from Delanie who was excellent for a bit but he started as a FB and kick returner.
rockaction
Footballguy
10/113 on 11 targets.
21.30 PPR and 26.30 TE Premium points.
This guy was virtually free both this year and last.
Those are league-winning stats these past three weeks.
21.30 PPR and 26.30 TE Premium points.
This guy was virtually free both this year and last.
Those are league-winning stats these past three weeks.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
Dolphins don't run any pass players that take more than two seconds. perfect for Smith.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
#3?
FairWarning
Footballguy
Eliminates Hill from the offense.
He looks like #1 to me
rockaction
Footballguy
The Jets are tapping their feet and waiting to tell the Dolphins something else. Both those teams are playing hot potato with the football. That’s what happens with suspect offensive lines and quarterbacks that are beat up.
Jonnu is definitely being used as a sort of running back-type player for the Dolphines. They’re not powerful enough to win up front (many people were commenting on this last night) so in order to move the ball they’ve spread teams out and used the speed and power of Smith to pick up yards that running games are normally responsible for.
Might be a little premature unless you just do overall points and basically weeks 13-18 don't count in some bizarre league
He has been #1 for the passing game. Achane makes teams stack or shade a DB. Waddle and Hill get attention of other DBs. Beneficiary is Smith and he has been delivering so why not keep hitting it?
Soulfly3
Footballguy
I've already won the ship in my league. Ours is a 20+yr league of friends and runs a bit different.
Our regular season champ is considered the "true" champ and gets the massive payout. The playoff champ is just a superbowl winner and is considered a lesser champ, with 1/4 of the payout.
Somehow we have 12 guys who all agreed to this from the start and STILL agree w it.
Yesterday seemed almost personal. Almost as if he was purposely being ignored. Not sure what the snap count was, but he was barely in the game it seemed.
Then, in OT, it was like "oh let's use Smith" and looked how much better the offense looked. Night and day.
Have to think he will be back to more involved next week.
Then, in OT, it was like "oh let's use Smith" and looked how much better the offense looked. Night and day.
Have to think he will be back to more involved next week.
Soccer nerd
efactor
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Great question
FantasyPros has him ranked 14th in dynasty which I think is crazy. Other than Bowers, McBride and LaPorta, nobody I would obviously rather have than Smith. I would rank Kittle and Hockenson above him and probably Andrews as well, but it's close. Tyreek seems out the door and Tua became a check down artist this year. Should be a great value.
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rockaction
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Ranked 11th by Dan Hindery of FootballGuys in his Dynasty Value Trade Chart
ffmail4me
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Mind sharing a link to that? Thanks!!
rockaction
Footballguy
Subscriber only.
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
I like Jonnu. Was able to grab him from a rebuilding team for a late 2nd. I have McBride and Kelce, but was worried Kelce might retire so wanted a 2nd TE behind McBride.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The funny thing is people told me I was crazy to be optimistic about Jonnu in MIA.
McDaniels said they wanted to use him as an in-line receiver & that they lacked size in the RZ, but everyone kept saying the Dolphins didn’t throw to their receivers.
Glad he worked out. He’s been money for me in a TE-P league.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Dolphins getting rid of their safety valve behind that weak line, sounds like Achane will be targeted even more to me.
steelcityman
Footballguy
Makes less than zero sense for the Steelers to want another TE. Have Patty F, and Washington, who they never use, lil Heyward can do TE things and added Parham in the offseason. Unless they think their WRs are so bad, Smith could line up as a WR. Or maybe its to get Miami on the line, and work out a deal for TJ Watt??????
And the Dolphins have about nothing at TE after Smith.
And the Dolphins have about nothing at TE after Smith.
