Bradshaw should be considered a Stud (1 Viewer)

[Instinctive]

As for Freebagel, you are wrong as well because I didn't cherry pick anything, I used every carry that was 3 yards or less; if you want to change the rules to every 2 yard or less carry I am OK with that as well because it is clear that jacobs is getting a MUCH higher % of these carries. Let's look at this last game to further illustrate this point as 60% of Jacobs carries were for short yardage or 50% if you only use 2 yards or less:

For the love of god man, 2nd and 1 is not a "short yardage carry". Anyone with a sensible brain knows that, and the only reason you're trying to define it as such is to skew numbers in your favor. The whole point in "short yardage carries" bringing a player's ypc down is that the defense is stacking the box and the running back's goal is just to run into the pile and fall across the first down/endzone marker. That's not the case on 2nd down.Here is what I'm defining as a short yardage carry.

3rd down and 3 yards or less to gain

4th down and 3 yards or less to gain

Carries inside the 5 yard line

If you want to define 2nd and 1 as a "short yardage carry" then I'm done with this discussion, because you're not being rational. If you can find even one other person that agrees with you that 2nd and 1 should count as a "short yardage carry that brings a players ypc down" then I would be shocked. One person.

 

[Liquid Tension]

As for Freebagel, you are wrong as well because I didn't cherry pick anything, I used every carry that was 3 yards or less; if you want to change the rules to every 2 yard or less carry I am OK with that as well because it is clear that jacobs is getting a MUCH higher % of these carries. Let's look at this last game to further illustrate this point as 60% of Jacobs carries were for short yardage or 50% if you only use 2 yards or less:

For the love of god man, 2nd and 1 is not a "short yardage carry". Anyone with a sensible brain knows that, and the only reason you're trying to define it as such is to skew numbers in your favor. The whole point in "short yardage carries" bringing a player's ypc down is that the defense is stacking the box and the running back's goal is just to run into the pile and fall across the first down/endzone marker. That's not the case on 2nd down.Here is what I'm defining as a short yardage carry.3rd down and 3 yards or less to gain4th down and 3 yards or less to gainCarries inside the 5 yard lineIf you want to define 2nd and 1 as a "short yardage carry" then I'm done with this discussion, because you're not being rational. If you can find even one other person that agrees with you that 2nd and 1 should count as a "short yardage carry that brings a players ypc down" then I would be shocked. One person.

You see this is exactly why people like you suck the life out of this board. Using YOUR criteria there were only 3 opportunities in the last game and ALL THREE went to Jacobs. Define it any way you want, your simply wrong; Jacobs is the man they use on short yardage most of the time.

Oh and BTW, by definition 2nd and 1 is absolutely considered a short yardage carry and you can't say it isn't. that being said, I understand what you are trying to say and that is on 2nd 1 you can do anything you want and the defense is probably not in a tight run stopping formation...that is the only thing I agree with you on. That being said, there are times where because of clock management, getting the 1st down is critical on 2nd and 1 so there are times where 2nd and 1 is a tight formation.

 

[Instinctive]

As for Freebagel, you are wrong as well because I didn't cherry pick anything, I used every carry that was 3 yards or less; if you want to change the rules to every 2 yard or less carry I am OK with that as well because it is clear that jacobs is getting a MUCH higher % of these carries. Let's look at this last game to further illustrate this point as 60% of Jacobs carries were for short yardage or 50% if you only use 2 yards or less:

For the love of god man, 2nd and 1 is not a "short yardage carry". Anyone with a sensible brain knows that, and the only reason you're trying to define it as such is to skew numbers in your favor. The whole point in "short yardage carries" bringing a player's ypc down is that the defense is stacking the box and the running back's goal is just to run into the pile and fall across the first down/endzone marker. That's not the case on 2nd down.Here is what I'm defining as a short yardage carry.3rd down and 3 yards or less to gain4th down and 3 yards or less to gainCarries inside the 5 yard lineIf you want to define 2nd and 1 as a "short yardage carry" then I'm done with this discussion, because you're not being rational. If you can find even one other person that agrees with you that 2nd and 1 should count as a "short yardage carry that brings a players ypc down" then I would be shocked. One person.

You see this is exactly why people like you suck the life out of this board. Using YOUR criteria there were only 3 opportunities in the last game and ALL THREE went to Jacobs. Define it any way you want, your simply wrong; Jacobs is the man they use on short yardage most of the time.

Oh and BTW, by definition 2nd and 1 is absolutely considered a short yardage carry and you can't say it isn't. that being said, I understand what you are trying to say and that is on 2nd 1 you can do anything you want and the defense is probably not in a tight run stopping formation...that is the only thing I agree with you on. That being said, there are times where because of clock management, getting the 1st down is critical on 2nd and 1 so there are times where 2nd and 1 is a tight formation.

In what universe is it ever critical to clock management that you get the first down on 2nd and 1 but you also run the ball?

 

[Liquid Tension]

As for Freebagel, you are wrong as well because I didn't cherry pick anything, I used every carry that was 3 yards or less; if you want to change the rules to every 2 yard or less carry I am OK with that as well because it is clear that jacobs is getting a MUCH higher % of these carries. Let's look at this last game to further illustrate this point as 60% of Jacobs carries were for short yardage or 50% if you only use 2 yards or less:

For the love of god man, 2nd and 1 is not a "short yardage carry". Anyone with a sensible brain knows that, and the only reason you're trying to define it as such is to skew numbers in your favor. The whole point in "short yardage carries" bringing a player's ypc down is that the defense is stacking the box and the running back's goal is just to run into the pile and fall across the first down/endzone marker. That's not the case on 2nd down.Here is what I'm defining as a short yardage carry.3rd down and 3 yards or less to gain4th down and 3 yards or less to gainCarries inside the 5 yard lineIf you want to define 2nd and 1 as a "short yardage carry" then I'm done with this discussion, because you're not being rational. If you can find even one other person that agrees with you that 2nd and 1 should count as a "short yardage carry that brings a players ypc down" then I would be shocked. One person.

You see this is exactly why people like you suck the life out of this board. Using YOUR criteria there were only 3 opportunities in the last game and ALL THREE went to Jacobs. Define it any way you want, your simply wrong; Jacobs is the man they use on short yardage most of the time.

Oh and BTW, by definition 2nd and 1 is absolutely considered a short yardage carry and you can't say it isn't. that being said, I understand what you are trying to say and that is on 2nd 1 you can do anything you want and the defense is probably not in a tight run stopping formation...that is the only thing I agree with you on. That being said, there are times where because of clock management, getting the 1st down is critical on 2nd and 1 so there are times where 2nd and 1 is a tight formation.

In what universe is it ever critical to clock management that you get the first down on 2nd and 1 but you also run the ball?

Not the sharpest tack Sparky? Maybe you should try and understand the game before you post? Think about it and then come back.Besides, even if you never figure out the obvious answer to anyone who has a clue about football, it is irrelevant to the discussion, because Jacobs received every carry under the short yardage criteria that you agree on. So your point is what?

 

[Instinctive]

Personal attack unappreciated and aside, my question still stands:

Normal circumstances: you still have 3rd down, obtaining the first on 2nd and 1 is certainly desired, but a short yardage formation isn't used, and it's definitely not necessary for clock management.

2-Minute Drill and the lead: you'd like to get the first now and continue to run, but if you don't get it, you still have third down and you've managed to either run the clock an entire cycle or forced the defense to use a timeout. Again, not crucial, and not a short yardage formation.

2nd half, you're losing: You either aren't running because you need the clock to be stopping, or it's a close game and it again isn't critical at all that you obtain the first down on this play and not the next.

2 minute drill and behind: Still not running on 2nd and short, and still not crucial that you obtain the first down on THIS play.

So, what the hell are you trying to say?

Also, the fact that Jacobs gets every short yardage carry says something about the way coaches fell about the two backs. I would interpret it as saying that Jacobs isn't good for anything else, whereas Bradshaw is too valuable to burn on a carry where you just slam into the line anyway, and the runner himself isn't really creating much of a play.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Personal attack unappreciated and aside, my question still stands:Normal circumstances: you still have 3rd down, obtaining the first on 2nd and 1 is certainly desired, but a short yardage formation isn't used, and it's definitely not necessary for clock management.2-Minute Drill and the lead: you'd like to get the first now and continue to run, but if you don't get it, you still have third down and you've managed to either run the clock an entire cycle or forced the defense to use a timeout. Again, not crucial, and not a short yardage formation.2nd half, you're losing: You either aren't running because you need the clock to be stopping, or it's a close game and it again isn't critical at all that you obtain the first down on this play and not the next.2 minute drill and behind: Still not running on 2nd and short, and still not crucial that you obtain the first down on THIS play.So, what the hell are you trying to say?Also, the fact that Jacobs gets every short yardage carry says something about the way coaches fell about the two backs. I would interpret it as saying that Jacobs isn't good for anything else, whereas Bradshaw is too valuable to burn on a carry where you just slam into the line anyway, and the runner himself isn't really creating much of a play.

Bradshaw is thought of as a more productive overall runner. Think Jamal Charles and Thomas Jones here. As for the clock management, if you get the 1st down you get a hole new set of downs and can run off an additional 80 seconds, so getting a 1st down is huge. Yes, you MIGHT get it on 3rd down, but anytime you can get the 1st down on 2nd down it is huge when you are killing the clock.BTW, you may not get an attack if you wouldn't write things like on "what universe" especially when you didn't have a clue.

 

[netnalp]

As for Freebagel, you are wrong as well because I didn't cherry pick anything, I used every carry that was 3 yards or less; if you want to change the rules to every 2 yard or less carry I am OK with that as well because it is clear that jacobs is getting a MUCH higher % of these carries. Let's look at this last game to further illustrate this point as 60% of Jacobs carries were for short yardage or 50% if you only use 2 yards or less:

For the love of god man, 2nd and 1 is not a "short yardage carry". Anyone with a sensible brain knows that, and the only reason you're trying to define it as such is to skew numbers in your favor. The whole point in "short yardage carries" bringing a player's ypc down is that the defense is stacking the box and the running back's goal is just to run into the pile and fall across the first down/endzone marker. That's not the case on 2nd down.Here is what I'm defining as a short yardage carry.3rd down and 3 yards or less to gain4th down and 3 yards or less to gainCarries inside the 5 yard lineIf you want to define 2nd and 1 as a "short yardage carry" then I'm done with this discussion, because you're not being rational. If you can find even one other person that agrees with you that 2nd and 1 should count as a "short yardage carry that brings a players ypc down" then I would be shocked. One person.

 

[Instinctive]

Personal attack unappreciated and aside, my question still stands:Normal circumstances: you still have 3rd down, obtaining the first on 2nd and 1 is certainly desired, but a short yardage formation isn't used, and it's definitely not necessary for clock management.2-Minute Drill and the lead: you'd like to get the first now and continue to run, but if you don't get it, you still have third down and you've managed to either run the clock an entire cycle or forced the defense to use a timeout. Again, not crucial, and not a short yardage formation.2nd half, you're losing: You either aren't running because you need the clock to be stopping, or it's a close game and it again isn't critical at all that you obtain the first down on this play and not the next.2 minute drill and behind: Still not running on 2nd and short, and still not crucial that you obtain the first down on THIS play.So, what the hell are you trying to say?Also, the fact that Jacobs gets every short yardage carry says something about the way coaches fell about the two backs. I would interpret it as saying that Jacobs isn't good for anything else, whereas Bradshaw is too valuable to burn on a carry where you just slam into the line anyway, and the runner himself isn't really creating much of a play.

Bradshaw is thought of as a more productive overall runner. Think Jamal Charles and Thomas Jones here. As for the clock management, if you get the 1st down you get a hole new set of downs and can run off an additional 80 seconds, so getting a 1st down is huge. Yes, you MIGHT get it on 3rd down, but anytime you can get the 1st down on 2nd down it is huge when you are killing the clock.BTW, you may not get an attack if you wouldn't write things like on "what universe" especially when you didn't have a clue.

That's nto even an answer...getting a first down on 2nd down is always huge then. Getting a first down on first down is always good. That has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on time management...why do you think we never see a short yardage "we must get this yard now" formation on 2nd and 1? Because it isn't crucial. Because if they don't get the first, they have the third down, and 40 seconds+ is going off anyway. That's a terrible reasoning. And to your BTW, some things on this board are cool. Others aren't. Personal attacks fall into the latter category. Period.

 

[netnalp]

Here are the carries this season. Bolded are the short yardage carries that may decrease the runners YPC due to the distance available or the goal of the play

is to only pick up a few yards.

Jacobs has 14 short yardage carries, 6 of those are probably run from a goalline formation. Bradshaw has 10 short yardage carries, 3 of those were probably

run from a goalline formation.

It is false to say Jacobs gets all the short yardage carries. Jacobs got 6 of those short yardage carries in the Houston game

(3 were goalline formations) (Bradshaw only got 3 short yardage carries, 0 goalline).

It could be argued that with Bradshaw's ankle the Giants wanted to limit him pushing into the pile.

Also, Bradshaw got the majority of carries when the Giants were running the clock at the end of the Carolina game. Also with a 27-10 lead with 10 minutes

left in the Houston game, Bradshaw got 3 carries and Jacobs 2. Jacobs wasn't brought in to run the clock during a 9 play drive that ate 5:12.

JACOBS 36 carries

2-1-NYG 41 (3:19) 27-B.Jacobs right guard to NYG 46 for 5 yards (55-D.Connor, 30-C.Godfrey).

1-10-NYG 46 (2:42) 27-B.Jacobs left tackle to NYG 45 for -1 yards (55-D.Connor, 91-E.Brown).

1-10-CAR 29 (1:00) 27-B.Jacobs right tackle to CAR 26 for 3 yards (76-G.Hardy, 61-D.Landri).

1-10-CAR 43 (10:29) 27-B.Jacobs right tackle to CAR 48 for -5 yards (95-C.Johnson).

1-10-NYG 27 (14:56) 27-B.Jacobs left end pushed ob at NYG 49 for 22 yards (30-C.Godfrey).

1-10-CAR 32 (13:12) 27-B.Jacobs left tackle to CAR 28 for 4 yards (50-J.Anderson, 55-D.Connor).

1-10-CAR 38 (4:30) 27-B.Jacobs left guard to CAR 36 for 2 yards (50-J.Anderson).

2-2-CAR 8 (2:37) 27-B.Jacobs left tackle to CAR 5 for 3 yards (55-D.Connor, 52-J.Beason).

1-1-CAR 1 (12:27) 27-B.Jacobs right tackle to CAR 4 for -3 yards (20-C.Gamble, 55-D.Connor).

1-10-NYG 20 (6:15) 27-B.Jacobs right end pushed ob at NYG 34 for 14 yards (55-D.Connor).

1-10-NYG 34 (5:44) 27-B.Jacobs left tackle to NYG 34 for no gain (30-C.Godfrey).

2-10-NYG 34 (5:04) 27-B.Jacobs left tackle to NYG 34 for no gain (99-E.Johnson, 55-D.Connor).

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1-10-NYG 28 (3:13) (Run formation) 61-A.Koets reported in as eligible. 27-B.Jacobs right tackle to NYG 31 for 3 yards (99-A.Johnson, 75-M.King).

2-4-IND 48 (1:08) (Run formation) 61-A.Koets reported in as eligible. 27-B.Jacobs left tackle to IND 43 for 5 yards (25-J.Powers).

1-10-IND 43 31) (Run formation) 27-B.Jacobs left end to IND 43 for no gain (53-K.Conner).

2-8-NYG 46 (11:39) (Run formation) 61-A.Koets reported in as eligible. 27-B.Jacobs up the middle to NYG 46 for no gain (41-A.Bethea).

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2-2-TEN 39 (6:42) 27-B.Jacobs left guard to TEN 32 for 7 yards (22-V.Fuller). Penalty on TEN-75-J.Haye, Personal Foul, offsetting. Penalty on NYG-27-B.Jacobs,

Personal Foul, offsetting.

2-3-NYG 45 (5:44) 27-B.Jacobs left guard to NYG 47 for 2 yards (24-C.Hope, 75-J.Haye).

2-9-NYG 26 (1:11) 27-B.Jacobs right guard to NYG 31 for 5 yards (24-C.Hope).

2-10-TEN 24 (14:20) 27-B.Jacobs right guard to TEN 21 for 3 yards (31-C.Finnegan, 55-S.Tulloch).

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1-10-CHI 38 (6:25) 27-B.Jacobs right tackle to CHI 35 for 3 yards (54-B.Urlacher).

2-6-NYG 20 (10:58) 27-B.Jacobs right tackle to NYG 22 for 2 yards (38-D.Manning).

1-10-NYG 33 (12:05) 10-E.Manning FUMBLES (Aborted) at NYG 33, RECOVERED by CHI-46-C.Harris at NYG 29. 46-C.Harris to NYG 29 for no gain (89-K.Boss).

Aborted handoff to B.Jacobs.

3-1-NYG 39 (9:24) 27-B.Jacobs left tackle to NYG 43 for 4 yards (46-C.Harris).

1-2-CHI 2 (4:38) 27-B.Jacobs right guard for 2 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

2-12-NYG 43 (2:00) 27-B.Jacobs right end pushed ob at CHI 28 for 29 yards (38-D.Manning).

1-10-CHI 28 (1:52) 27-B.Jacobs left tackle to CHI 6 for 22 yards (38-D.Manning).

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3-1-HOU 26 (6:32) 27-B.Jacobs right guard to HST 21 for 5 yards (25-K.Jackson).

2-2-HOU 32 (3:26) 27-B.Jacobs up the middle to HST 28 for 4 yards (59-D.Ryans, 92-E.Mitchell).

1-1-HOU 1 (2:09) 27-B.Jacobs right guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

1-10-NYG 20 (8:29) 27-B.Jacobs left guard to NYG 27 for 7 yards (31-B.Pollard).

2-3-NYG 27 (7:59) 27-B.Jacobs up the middle to NYG 31 for 4 yards (31-B.Pollard).

2-6-HOU 43 (11:31) 27-B.Jacobs right end to NYG 42 for -15 yards (94-A.Smith). PENALTY on NYG-61-A.Koets, Personal Foul, 15 yards, enforced at

HST 43 - No Play.

1-10-NYG 17 (14:00) 27-B.Jacobs right tackle to NYG 26 for 9 yards (59-D.Ryans, 90-M.Williams).

2-1-NYG 26 (13:23) 27-B.Jacobs right end to NYG 28 for 2 yards (59-D.Ryans).

1-10-NYG 28 (12:40) 27-B.Jacobs right end to NYG 26 for -2 yards (59-D.Ryans).

2-1-HOU 1 (5:43) 27-B.Jacobs right end to HST 4 for -3 yards (59-D.Ryans; 33-T.Nolan).

1-10-HOU 35 (2:40) 27-B.Jacobs left end to HST 21 for 14 yards (33-T.Nolan, 92-E.Mitchell).

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BRADSHAW 91 carries

1-10-NYG 44 (12:26) 44-A.Bradshaw left guard to NYG 41 for -3 yards (55-D.Connor).

2-13-NYG 41 (11:47) (Shotgun) 44-A.Bradshaw left end to NYG 44 for 3 yards (41-C.Munnerlyn, 50-J.Anderson). PENALTY on NYG-66-D.Diehl, Offensive

Holding, 10 yards, enforced at NYG 41 - No Play.

1-10-NYG 20 (9:37) 44-A.Bradshaw right guard to NYG 21 for 1 yard (50-J.Anderson).

2-9-NYG 21 (9:00) 44-A.Bradshaw left end to NYG 13 for -8 yards (52-J.Beason).

1-10-NYG 30 (11:35) 44-A.Bradshaw left end to NYG 36 for 6 yards (50-J.Anderson, 61-D.Landri).

1-10-NYG 20 (8:16) 44-A.Bradshaw up the middle to NYG 21 for 1 yard (52-J.Beason, 96-T.Brayton).

1-10-NYG 30 (5:41) 44-A.Bradshaw up the middle to NYG 32 for 2 yards (55-D.Connor, 52-J.Beason).

2-8-NYG 32 (4:57) (Shotgun) 44-A.Bradshaw left guard to NYG 29 for -3 yards (99-E.Johnson, 91-E.Brown).

1-10-NYG 20 (1:41) (Shotgun) 44-A.Bradshaw right tackle to NYG 24 for 4 yards (23-S.Martin). PENALTY on NYG-82-M.Manningham, Offensive Holding,

10 yards, enforced at NYG 24.

2-10-CAR 25 58) (Shotgun) 44-A.Bradshaw left tackle to CAR 19 for 6 yards (95-C.Johnson).

3-2-CAR 24 (11:47) 44-A.Bradshaw right end to CAR 23 for 1 yard (52-J.Beason, 91-E.Brown).

1-10-NYG 48 (15:00) 44-A.Bradshaw left end to NYG 49 for 1 yard (52-J.Beason, 31-R.Marshall). PENALTY on NYG-39-M.Hedgecock, Offensive Holding,

10 yards, enforced at NYG 48 - No Play.

2-4-CAR 46 (14:00) 44-A.Bradshaw right tackle to CAR 40 for 6 yards (50-J.Anderson, 52-J.Beason).

1-10-CAR 40 (13:18) 44-A.Bradshaw right guard to CAR 1 for 39 yards (31-R.Marshall). New York Giants challenged the runner was down by contact ruling,

and the play was Upheld. (Timeout #2.)

3-4-CAR 4 (11:41) 44-A.Bradshaw right tackle for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

1-10-NYG 20 (8:33) 44-A.Bradshaw left tackle to NYG 22 for 2 yards (76-G.Hardy, 23-S.Martin).

2-8-NYG 22 (8:00) 44-A.Bradshaw right end to NYG 25 for 3 yards (52-J.Beason, 50-J.Anderson).

3-10-NYG 34 (4:48) 44-A.Bradshaw left guard to NYG 34 for no gain (55-D.Connor).

1-10-CAR 29 (3:45) 44-A.Bradshaw right end pushed ob at CAR 17 for 12 yards (50-J.Anderson).

1-10-CAR 17 (3:36) 44-A.Bradshaw left tackle to CAR 16 for 1 yard (55-D.Connor, 76-G.Hardy).

2-9-CAR 16 (3:02) 44-A.Bradshaw up the middle to CAR 14 for 2 yards (95-C.Johnson).

3-7-CAR 14 (2:51) 44-A.Bradshaw right tackle to CAR 15 for -1 yards (76-G.Hardy, 31-R.Marshall). FUMBLES (76-G.Hardy), RECOVERED by CAR-23-S.Martin

at CAR 10. 23-S.Martin to CAR 10 for no gain (67-K.McKenzie). Officially a rush for 0 yards.

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2-8-NYG 22 (7:42) (Run formation) 44-A.Bradshaw right guard to NYG 20 for -2 yards (95-F.Moala, 50-P.Wheeler).

1-10-NYG 15 (5:46) (Run formation) 61-A.Koets reported in as eligible. 44-A.Bradshaw right end to NYG 23 for 8 yards (90-D.Muir, 26-K.Hayden).

2-10-IND 43 (15:00) 44-A.Bradshaw left tackle to IND 40 for 3 yards (53-K.Conner).

1-10-NYG 20 (5:00) (Run formation) 61-A.Koets reported in as eligible. 44-A.Bradshaw right end to NYG 24 for 4 yards (26-K.Hayden, 93-D.Freeney).

2-6-NYG 24 (4:23) 61-A.Koets reported in as eligible. 44-A.Bradshaw right end to NYG 27 for 3 yards (50-P.Wheeler).

1-10-NYG 31 (2:33) (Run formation) 61-A.Koets reported in as eligible. 44-A.Bradshaw up the middle to NYG 43 for 12 yards (26-K.Hayden, 41-A.Bethea).

2-3- (1:54) (Shotgun) 44-A.Bradshaw up the middle to IND 48 for 2 yards (58-G.Brackett, 25-J.Powers).

1-10-NYG 26 05) (Run formation) 61-A.Koets reported in as eligible. 44-A.Bradshaw left end to NYG 38 for 12 yards (98-R.Mathis, 51-P.Angerer).

2-10-NYG 13 (14:48) 61-A.Koets reported in as eligible. 44-A.Bradshaw right end to NYG 16 for 3 yards (58-G.Brackett).

2-1-NYG 33 (12:57) 44-A.Bradshaw right tackle to NYG 44 for 11 yards (41-A.Bethea).

1-10-NYG 44 (12:17) (Run formation) 61-A.Koets reported in as eligible. 44-A.Bradshaw up the middle to NYG 46 for 2 yards (41-A.Bethea, 26-K.Hayden).

1-10-NYG 10 (7:15) (Run formation) 61-A.Koets reported in as eligible. 44-A.Bradshaw right end to NYG 16 for 6 yards (58-G.Brackett, 90-D.Muir).

1-10-NYG 20 (6:27) 61-A.Koets reported in as eligible. 44-A.Bradshaw right end to NYG 22 for 2 yards (68-E.Foster, 50-P.Wheeler).

2-6-NYG 35 (4:32) 44-A.Bradshaw right end to NYG 46 for 11 yards (26-K.Hayden).

2-10-NYG 46 (3:45) (Shotgun) 44-A.Bradshaw up the middle to IND 49 for 5 yards (68-E.Foster).

1-10-NYG 2 (14:51) (Run formation) 61-A.Koets reported in as eligible. 44-A.Bradshaw up the middle to NYG 9 for 7 yards (41-A.Bethea).

2-3-NYG 9 (14:12) (Run formation) 61-A.Koets reported in as eligible. 44-A.Bradshaw up the middle to NYG 9 for no gain (33-M.Bullitt, 50-P.Wheeler).

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1-10-NYG 20 (15:00) 44-A.Bradshaw right guard to NYG 20 for no gain (24-C.Hope, 93-J.Babin).

2-10-NYG 20 (14:27) 44-A.Bradshaw right tackle to NYG 21 for 1 yard (55-S.Tulloch, 97-T.Brown).

1-10-NYG 29 (8:49) 44-A.Bradshaw left end to NYG 37 for 8 yards (94-S.Marks, 30-J.McCourty).

2-5-TEN 34 (2:18) 44-A.Bradshaw right tackle to TEN 28 for 6 yards (55-S.Tulloch, 94-S.Marks).

1-10-TEN 28 (1:38) 44-A.Bradshaw left tackle to TEN 28 for no gain (55-S.Tulloch).

1-10-NYG 30 (8:36) 44-A.Bradshaw left tackle to NYG 30 for no gain (94-S.Marks, 92-W.Witherspoon).

1-10-NYG 37 (2:48) (Shotgun) 44-A.Bradshaw up the middle to NYG 39 for 2 yards (24-C.Hope).

1-10-TEN 10 42) (Shotgun) 44-A.Bradshaw right end for 10 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

2-8-NYG 3 (11:36) 44-A.Bradshaw right tackle to NYG 1 for -2 yards (91-J.Jones, 93-J.Babin).

2-5-NYG 16 (7:15) 44-A.Bradshaw right end to NYG 38 for 22 yards (24-C.Hope).

3-1-NYG 47 (5:02) (Shotgun) 44-A.Bradshaw left tackle to TEN 48 for 5 yards (20-A.Verner).

1-10-TEN 26 (3:55) 44-A.Bradshaw left end pushed ob at TEN 6 for 20 yards (52-J.Winborn).

1-6-TEN 6 (3:31) 44-A.Bradshaw left tackle to TEN 5 for 1 yard (33-M.Griffin). FUMBLES (33-M.Griffin), RECOVERED by TEN-20-A.Verner at TEN 5. 20-A.Verner

to TEN 5 for no gain (44-A.Bradshaw). PENALTY on NYG-66-D.Diehl, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at TEN 5.

1-10-NYG 34 (7:29) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 44-A.Bradshaw left guard to NYG 42 for 8 yards (22-V.Fuller, 24-C.Hope).

1-10-NYG 20 (4:02) (Shotgun) 44-A.Bradshaw up the middle to NYG 27 for 7 yards (22-V.Fuller, 55-S.Tulloch).

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3-3-NYG 24 (12:10) (Shotgun) 44-A.Bradshaw right end to NYG 26 for 2 yards (30-D.Moore, 75-M.Toeaina).

1-10-NYG 20 (8:37) 44-A.Bradshaw left guard to NYG 31 for 11 yards (38-D.Manning, 46-C.Harris).

1-10-NYG 31 (8:00) 44-A.Bradshaw right tackle to NYG 32 for 1 yard (54-B.Urlacher, 71-I.Idonije).

2-9-NYG 32 (7:26) (Shotgun) 44-A.Bradshaw left tackle pushed ob at CHI 48 for 20 yards (38-D.Manning).

2-10-CHI 12 (4:55) 44-A.Bradshaw up the middle to CHI 12 for no gain (97-M.Anderson, 38-D.Manning).

1-10-CHI 28 (1:53) 44-A.Bradshaw right end to CHI 25 for 3 yards (75-M.Toeaina).

1-10-CHI 29 (9:44) 44-A.Bradshaw left guard to CHI 27 for 2 yards (75-M.Toeaina, 38-D.Manning).

2-8-CHI 27 (9:09) (Shotgun) 44-A.Bradshaw right tackle to CHI 29 for -2 yards (30-D.Moore). NYG-89-K.Boss was injured during the play.

1-10-NYG 27 (3:25) 44-A.Bradshaw right end to NYG 29 for 2 yards (55-L.Briggs).

 

[CaptainHook]

him being used on 2nd and 1 definitely indicates that they are more comfortable with him in short yardage situations. i agree it shouldn't be considered a short yardage carry though

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

Is this thread a shouting match or are we still trying to figure out if Bradshaw is a stud?

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Is this thread a shouting match or are we still trying to figure out if Bradshaw is a stud?

I'm doubting Bradshaw as a stud, and am looking to move him in a TD heavy league. He runs very hard but I think NY goes back to their lightning/thunder phylosophy which has worked in the past. Plus, this is looking more like a passing team to me.....and it doesn't look like Eli looks all that much to Ahmad in the passing game. I'd guess there's 60-40 split potential in an attempt to keep both RB's healthy.With all the injury issues on the OL, I'd like to hear from Giants homers if this line is much better suited to run block or pass block?

 

[netnalp]

Is this thread a shouting match or are we still trying to figure out if Bradshaw is a stud?

I'm doubting Bradshaw as a stud, and am looking to move him in a TD heavy league. He runs very hard but I think NY goes back to their lightning/thunder phylosophy which has worked in the past. Plus, this is looking more like a passing team to me.....and it doesn't look like Eli looks all that much to Ahmad in the passing game. I'd guess there's 60-40 split potential in an attempt to keep both RB's healthy.With all the injury issues on the OL, I'd like to hear from Giants homers if this line is much better suited to run block or pass block?

It's hard to say. They seem to be doing better at pass blocking but should be better at run blocking.The Giants have a guard, Diehl that still claims he's a natural LT, does a good job at LT but most fans think he's a Pro Bowler if he's at LG. The LG, Seubert, would start for most NFL teams, but he's the weakest link when the line is healthy. O'Hara has an ankle injury that's going like an episode of House, one day he's feeling way better the next he can't gt near the practice field. Koets the back up center has played way better than he did in camp, but he's banged up and almost missed the Houston game. If Koets can't go, Seubert would start at center. Snee is a great RG. McKenzie is a decent LT, he's up and down, he'll have a great game then put up a stinker the next. 2nd year Tackle Beatty has a broken foot and will be out for another month I think. The hope was Beatty would win the LT job from Diehl, but that didn't happen and then he broke his foot. Former Pro Bowl G/T, Shawn Andrews came in and he's been getting into games mostly as a blocking TE. Andrews practices mostly at LT, the good news is his back that kept him from playing for 2 yrs and depression hasn't been an issue, so he came in in great shape. The plan is that Andrews will take over at LT and Diehl moves to LG, his contract earns him a million dollar bonus if he's the starting LT. He's still learning the playbook having been with the team about 6-7 weeks. Maybe I'm being impatient, but shouldn't that be enough time to learn the playbook and kick off the rust? There haven't been complaints from the beat writers about his progress, so I guess he's not slacking off. This team seems a lot like the 2007 Super Bowl team. That season like this one, there were complaints about leadership, Tiki talked some crap, then the defense started playing really well while the offense struggled. Then after they started winning the offense kicked in. The difference is the offense while struggling is doing better than the one that struggled in 2007.

 

[D_House]

Good discussion here.

I'm thinking DET @ home will be a big game for Bradshaw, statwise.

That could present an opportunity to sell him high before his bye and some tough future matchups. He has two games against the Dallas DEF and a playoff schedule that features road games at MIN and GB. Plus there is the above discussion involving concern about Jacobs earning more carries, particularly at the goalline.

First, am I overrating these concerns with respect to his schedule and Jacobs?

Second, has anyone seen trades involving Bradshaw? What kind of value is he getting in return?

 

[Liquid Tension]

Personal attack unappreciated and aside, my question still stands:Normal circumstances: you still have 3rd down, obtaining the first on 2nd and 1 is certainly desired, but a short yardage formation isn't used, and it's definitely not necessary for clock management.2-Minute Drill and the lead: you'd like to get the first now and continue to run, but if you don't get it, you still have third down and you've managed to either run the clock an entire cycle or forced the defense to use a timeout. Again, not crucial, and not a short yardage formation.2nd half, you're losing: You either aren't running because you need the clock to be stopping, or it's a close game and it again isn't critical at all that you obtain the first down on this play and not the next.2 minute drill and behind: Still not running on 2nd and short, and still not crucial that you obtain the first down on THIS play.So, what the hell are you trying to say?Also, the fact that Jacobs gets every short yardage carry says something about the way coaches fell about the two backs. I would interpret it as saying that Jacobs isn't good for anything else, whereas Bradshaw is too valuable to burn on a carry where you just slam into the line anyway, and the runner himself isn't really creating much of a play.

Bradshaw is thought of as a more productive overall runner. Think Jamal Charles and Thomas Jones here. As for the clock management, if you get the 1st down you get a hole new set of downs and can run off an additional 80 seconds, so getting a 1st down is huge. Yes, you MIGHT get it on 3rd down, but anytime you can get the 1st down on 2nd down it is huge when you are killing the clock.BTW, you may not get an attack if you wouldn't write things like on "what universe" especially when you didn't have a clue.

That's nto even an answer...getting a first down on 2nd down is always huge then. Getting a first down on first down is always good. That has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on time management...why do you think we never see a short yardage "we must get this yard now" formation on 2nd and 1? Because it isn't crucial. Because if they don't get the first, they have the third down, and 40 seconds+ is going off anyway. That's a terrible reasoning. And to your BTW, some things on this board are cool. Others aren't. Personal attacks fall into the latter category. Period.

Sorry dude, I guess you don't understand time management. Getting a 1st down on 1st down when you are running out the clock is a good thing. Getting it on 2nd down is a really good thing, getting it on 3rd down is a great thing. That I have to explain this is pretty sad. When clock management is not an issue and yardage and points matter it is sometimes preferable to be 2nd and 1 instead of 1st and 10 1 yard up. But, in general I would rather get the 1st down on 2nd and 1 then hope to get it on 3rd and 1 because on 3rd and 1 you have to call the best play to get the 1st down compared to 2nd and 1 you can take a chance on a big play knowing you have 3rd and 1. This is basic stuff that is hard to disagree with.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Is this thread a shouting match or are we still trying to figure out if Bradshaw is a stud?

I'm doubting Bradshaw as a stud, and am looking to move him in a TD heavy league. He runs very hard but I think NY goes back to their lightning/thunder phylosophy which has worked in the past. Plus, this is looking more like a passing team to me.....and it doesn't look like Eli looks all that much to Ahmad in the passing game. I'd guess there's 60-40 split potential in an attempt to keep both RB's healthy.With all the injury issues on the OL, I'd like to hear from Giants homers if this line is much better suited to run block or pass block?

It's hard to say. They seem to be doing better at pass blocking but should be better at run blocking.The Giants have a guard, Diehl that still claims he's a natural LT, does a good job at LT but most fans think he's a Pro Bowler if he's at LG. The LG, Seubert, would start for most NFL teams, but he's the weakest link when the line is healthy. O'Hara has an ankle injury that's going like an episode of House, one day he's feeling way better the next he can't gt near the practice field. Koets the back up center has played way better than he did in camp, but he's banged up and almost missed the Houston game. If Koets can't go, Seubert would start at center. Snee is a great RG. McKenzie is a decent LT, he's up and down, he'll have a great game then put up a stinker the next. 2nd year Tackle Beatty has a broken foot and will be out for another month I think. The hope was Beatty would win the LT job from Diehl, but that didn't happen and then he broke his foot. Former Pro Bowl G/T, Shawn Andrews came in and he's been getting into games mostly as a blocking TE. Andrews practices mostly at LT, the good news is his back that kept him from playing for 2 yrs and depression hasn't been an issue, so he came in in great shape. The plan is that Andrews will take over at LT and Diehl moves to LG, his contract earns him a million dollar bonus if he's the starting LT. He's still learning the playbook having been with the team about 6-7 weeks. Maybe I'm being impatient, but shouldn't that be enough time to learn the playbook and kick off the rust? There haven't been complaints from the beat writers about his progress, so I guess he's not slacking off. This team seems a lot like the 2007 Super Bowl team. That season like this one, there were complaints about leadership, Tiki talked some crap, then the defense started playing really well while the offense struggled. Then after they started winning the offense kicked in. The difference is the offense while struggling is doing better than the one that struggled in 2007.

I agree with most except McKenzie is a bad pass blocker. Diel is a mediocre pass blocker as well. The Giants should be a better run blocking team, but they have not done well this year. I think they have become a little too pass happy especially going from the shotgun on 3rd and 2/3. You can start to break the will of a defense by running down their throats as it wears on them. It also gives your lineman a chance to enforce their will and be offensive instead of defensive (in pass protection). Maybe playing Bradshaw more has turned the team softer? I think having some weapons in the passing game has made them throw more as well (which makes sense), but the OL is not a great pass protective unit.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Good discussion here. I'm thinking DET @ home will be a big game for Bradshaw, statwise.That could present an opportunity to sell him high before his bye and some tough future matchups. He has two games against the Dallas DEF and a playoff schedule that features road games at MIN and GB. Plus there is the above discussion involving concern about Jacobs earning more carries, particularly at the goalline.First, am I overrating these concerns with respect to his schedule and Jacobs?Second, has anyone seen trades involving Bradshaw? What kind of value is he getting in return?

Hard to answer the 1st one as it all depends on what you have and your needs. Bradshaw still has value even if Jacobs gets the carries he should. The 2nd question is similar. I think most Bradsha owners are holding him, but if the right deal came along they woudl listen

 

[dmac37]

Is this thread a shouting match or are we still trying to figure out if Bradshaw is a stud?

I think many of us realized that Bradshaw had the makings of a stud during the NYG super bowl run. IMO it comes down to the following:Talent- checkTouches- "finally" checkOffensive System- check, not as strong run blocking but Bradshaw is getting the majority of carries and also he is a very good option for receptions out of the backfieldHealth- to be determined, a clean bill of health will complete his stud status

 

[howo5]

I just traded Dallas Clark, Marshawn Lynch and Mike Bush for Bradshaw in my money league. He can be had, but not at a ridiculously low price.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I just traded Dallas Clark, Marshawn Lynch and Mike Bush for Bradshaw in my money league. He can be had, but not at a ridiculously low price.

Depending on your TE scoring I like that trade. Bush will be splitting time, not sold on Lynch, so it makes a lot of sense unless TE scoring is high

 

[Instinctive]

Good discussion here.

I'm thinking DET @ home will be a big game for Bradshaw, statwise.

That could present an opportunity to sell him high before his bye and some tough future matchups. He has two games against the Dallas DEF and a playoff schedule that features road games at MIN and GB. Plus there is the above discussion involving concern about Jacobs earning more carries, particularly at the goalline.

First, am I overrating these concerns with respect to his schedule and Jacobs?

Second, has anyone seen trades involving Bradshaw? What kind of value is he getting in return?

Hard to answer the 1st one as it all depends on what you have and your needs. Bradshaw still has value even if Jacobs gets the carries he should. The 2nd question is similar. I think most Bradsha owners are holding him, but if the right deal came along they woudl listen

If Jacobs got the carries he should, he'd never leave the bench and Ware would see some playing time to spell Bradshaw...Jacobs has been wildly hit or miss this year, with even the short yardage carries he should excel at going for negative yards or success on the basis of about a coin toss.I think the situation is similar to Baltimore.

 

[howo5]

Thanks Liquid. It's a .5 PPR but I was able to snag Hernandez off waivers and I'm hoping the drop off from him and Dallas Clark isn't that big.

 

[kentric]

Bradshaw is definately a stud. I liken him play to how Tomlinson has been playing this year. He's got great cutting abilities and his lower body helps him break tackles. Due to his lower body strength, he can run short and goal line plays. I do however think that the Giants will play Jacobs more than in the first three games. It appears as if Jacobs has started to run harder. He is being less tentative in finding the hole and running N/S rather than E/W as had been his tendency. Because of this, I think his carries going forward will go something in the way of the split in the Houston games.

 

[ourmanflint]

Bradshaw is definately a stud. I liken him play to how Tomlinson has been playing this year. He's got great cutting abilities and his lower body helps him break tackles. Due to his lower body strength, he can run short and goal line plays. I do however think that the Giants will play Jacobs more than in the first three games. It appears as if Jacobs has started to run harder. He is being less tentative in finding the hole and running N/S rather than E/W as had been his tendency. Because of this, I think his carries going forward will go something in the way of the split in the Houston games.

Me thinks you have a good eye.Bradshaw Brings It

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

I'm so mad that Jacobs is getting the short yardage TD's - there were two TD's that Bradshaw should have had this past weekend

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I'm so mad that Jacobs is getting the short yardage TD's - there were two TD's that Bradshaw should have had this past weekend

I hated to see that too but on the other hand I'm just happy to have a healthy RB who's getting fed the ball on a pretty balanced offense.

 

[DaWidowMaker]

I've been riding Bradshaw/MJD as my starting Rb's but was offered Turner and Colston for him and couldn't pass that up. 14 teamer ppr.

 

[az_prof]

Bradshaw is definately a stud. I liken him play to how Tomlinson has been playing this year. He's got great cutting abilities and his lower body helps him break tackles. Due to his lower body strength, he can run short and goal line plays. I do however think that the Giants will play Jacobs more than in the first three games. It appears as if Jacobs has started to run harder. He is being less tentative in finding the hole and running N/S rather than E/W as had been his tendency. Because of this, I think his carries going forward will go something in the way of the split in the Houston games.

Me thinks you have a good eye.Bradshaw Brings It

That's a great break down. Bradshaw has had this ability all along; nice to see him getting an opportunity finally.

 

[humpback]

Bradshaw + GL carries=