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Bradshaw vs. Jacobs (1 Viewer)

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Bradshaw's VS Jacobs' stats:

Game 1: 12/60 yds (5 ypc), 3 rec/11 yds VS 16/46 yds (2.9 ypc), 2 rec/17 yds

Game 2: 9/37 yds (4.1 ypc), 2 rec/8 yds VS 16/58 yds (3.6 ypc), 0 rec

Game 3: 14/104 yds (7.4 ypc), 0 rec VS 26/92 yds (3.5 ypc), 0 rec TD:R6

Game 4: 12/64 yds (5.3 ypc) , 0 rec VS 21/92 yds (4.4 ypc), 1 rec/-4 yds

Game 5: 11/110 yds (10 ypc), 1 rec/55 yards TD:R19, R1 VS 21/67 yds (3.2 ypc), 1 rec/8yds

Bradshaw clearly has significantly better stats. Jacobs is a beast but the way each of them are playing I would think that Bradshaw would get 2/3 the total carries with Jacobs getting 1/3 (short yardage). Bradshaw has the big playmaking ability...am I the only one seeing a great RB being held back on his potential because of his playing time? Does anyone agree and see a change of workload any time?

 
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I definitely don't see the workload shifting in Bradshaw's favor, if that's what you're asking.. Part of the reason for Bradshaw's success is him coming in with fresh legs against defenses that Jacobs has been pounding on all game.

What they're doing now is working.. No reason to change it up.

 
I don't think there will be a change. the Giants like the idea of battering the defense with Jacobs and having Bradshaw on screens, draws and change of pace. He took over Wards role and seems to be better at it than Ward was, so the split is going to be more even. For fantasy purposes Bradshaw is the one to start and own because he gets rushing and passing touches which makes him more likely to put up good numbers if a defense focuses on the pass or run.

 
I definitely don't see the workload shifting in Bradshaw's favor, if that's what you're asking.. Part of the reason for Bradshaw's success is him coming in with fresh legs against defenses that Jacobs has been pounding on all game.

What they're doing now is working.. No reason to change it up.
Id agree with that before what I saw in today's game. Bradshaw just looked like the better all around back even in short yardage situations. I'm pretty sour about it because I started Jacobs over Bradshaw (when I should have just started both).Jacobs had a chance to score early in the game but wasnt able to convert a couple of goaline runs. Giants called Bradshaw's number and he pounded it through. There were a couple of other short yardage situations where Bradshaw was the guy before Jacobs. If I recall, there was a series where the cameras showed Jacobs on the sideline and he had his helmet strapped on as if he was ready to go in but Bradshaw was kept in.

Maybe they were playing the hot hand but that hot hand has been playing like this all season.

 
IMO what you see from Sproles with LT out or struggling is what you would see with Jacobs out with an injury here.

 
Jacobs is going down at first contact. Last year he was getting to the 2nd level. Coughlin was getting in his face on the sideline today. He should give him a kick in the ###!

 
Jacobs looks awful. I haven't seen him truck anyone this year.

Bradshaw played early in the game and looked great. It wasn't a case of a worn-down defense. The only thing Jacobs is wearing down is my voice from screaming at him to break a ######## tackle.

 
IMO what you see from Sproles with LT out or struggling is what you would see with Jacobs out with an injury here.
I disagree.Bradshaw has a lot more power than Sproles and is capable of being a feature RB imho. And with Jacobs injury history we may get to see that tested later on this season.That being said Jacobs certainly hurts the defense and wears them down. And that helps everyone on the team including Bradshaw.If Bradshaw were the starter you cant expect him to average 10 yards/carry. He would then be doing the dive/grind type runs that Jacobs does as well. But I still think Bradshaw can handle over 250 and would be above 4ypc if/when he does start.I like what the Giants are doing on offense. And even if Jacobs does go down I think they would try to use Johnson or Ware or whoever to be the hammer. Bradshaws workload would increase without Jacobs in there though.I think Andre Brown is going to be a factor in upcoming seasons. Thought he would be involved this year but he got hurt. So that is giving Bradshaw more opportunity as well.IIRC Bradshaw only signed a 3 year deal but I could be wrong on that. Anyone know his contract status?
 
i targeted Bradshaw in all leagues for a few reasons:

1. opportunity with Ward gone

2. talented

3. the Giants running game is good

4. value compared to Jacobs

some picks work out, some dont

 
From Rotoworld:

7/24/2007: Signed a four-year, $1.7 million contract. The deal included a $37,000 signing bonus. 2009: $460,000, 2010: $550,000, 2011: Free Agent

It's possible he holds out or asks for more money. The giants would accommodate after this season if it wasn't for too much. Ward for instance originally wanted $34 million for 6 years and ended up having to settle for less.

 
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From Rotoworld:7/24/2007: Signed a four-year, $1.7 million contract. The deal included a $37,000 signing bonus. 2009: $460,000, 2010: $550,000, 2011: Free AgentIt's possible he holds out or asks for more money. The giants would accommodate after this season if it wasn't for too much. Ward for instance originally wanted $34 million for 6 years and ended up having to settle for less.
Thanks. Good info.
 
I definitely don't see the workload shifting in Bradshaw's favor, if that's what you're asking.. Part of the reason for Bradshaw's success is him coming in with fresh legs against defenses that Jacobs has been pounding on all game.

What they're doing now is working.. No reason to change it up.
On the season, Bradshaw has more 1st half carries than 2nd half.
 
Those that think Bradshaw kicking Jacob's ### has anything to do with down/situation are kidding themselves. I've watched the Giants all year. They've pretty much rotated series after the first 5 minutes. Bradshaw has outplayed Jacobs, BY A LOT, in every facet of the game. First down, second down, third down, first half, second half - you name it. Jacobs got exactly his average today - 3.2 YPC. That is PATHETIC with this offensive line. Something his wrong. They can't go on with his 25 carry, 78 yard efforts. Bradshaw only needs to stay healthy to get a bigger piece of the pie.

 
Those that think Bradshaw kicking Jacob's ### has anything to do with down/situation are kidding themselves. I've watched the Giants all year. They've pretty much rotated series after the first 5 minutes. Bradshaw has outplayed Jacobs, BY A LOT, in every facet of the game. First down, second down, third down, first half, second half - you name it. Jacobs got exactly his average today - 3.2 YPC. That is PATHETIC with this offensive line. Something his wrong. They can't go on with his 25 carry, 78 yard efforts. Bradshaw only needs to stay healthy to get a bigger piece of the pie.
:bye: As Siragusa said two weeks ago, Jacobs is running light. He's been running tentatively and looks indecisive when he does head upfield. He almost looks like he's playing not to get hurt instead of running to punish people, like he has the past 2 years. He looks slow and sluggish compared to Bradshaw and is going down way too easily when he gets hit. Every once and a while he shows a flash of last year but he hasn't been able to sustain the intensity for more than a few plays at a time.
 
Not only does Bradshaw lack size, but he's also not a good receiver. Its not a good combination for a RB with any hopes of becoming a starter. While he was always a better runner than Ward was, Ward got more time due to those reasons. Bradshaw's role should remain the same.

I've never been a fan of Jacobs other than its fun to watch him hit people. Most NFL RBs are more explosive than Jacobs, that doesnt mean he'll lose his job. How many of those explosive backs have Jacob's power? Football isnt the result of stats, stats are the result of football.

 
Not only does Bradshaw lack size, but he's also not a good receiver. Its not a good combination for a RB with any hopes of becoming a starter. While he was always a better runner than Ward was, Ward got more time due to those reasons. Bradshaw's role should remain the same.

I've never been a fan of Jacobs other than its fun to watch him hit people. Most NFL RBs are more explosive than Jacobs, that doesnt mean he'll lose his job. How many of those explosive backs have Jacob's power? Football isnt the result of stats, stats are the result of football.
:goodposting:
 
well here's a better question to all Jacobs owners. What the hell do we do with him??

Keep him on bench him till he gets a good game? I'm tired of starting him with hopes he does well.

 
Giants Homer/Fan... those that are interested in my take, Bradshaw is simply outplaying Jacobs. Jacobs is lacking the burst he played with the last few seasons, he's going down easier then Bradshaw it seems. Jacobs has lost the intensity he once played with, he used to refuse to go down without anything but 3-4 guys on him... now a corner scoop in and drag him down. Bradshaw is showing some serious vision, determination and constantly keeps his feet moving. It's a clear cut case of Kevin Durant's quote.. "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard". Bradshaw is blocking like a champ so he's not losing any carries because he's lacking in that area of the game.. he even has better hands. The way this is playing out, and if Jacobs keeps it up.. It's looking like the initial Tiki/Jacobs combo... Between the 20's will be all Bradshaw and inside of them all Jacobs. Personally, Bradshaw is giving us more options in the playbook with his versatility.. and always has the "Home run" threat. Jacobs seriously needs to turn it up.

 
Not only does Bradshaw lack size, but he's also not a good receiver. Its not a good combination for a RB with any hopes of becoming a starter. While he was always a better runner than Ward was, Ward got more time due to those reasons. Bradshaw's role should remain the same.

I've never been a fan of Jacobs other than its fun to watch him hit people. Most NFL RBs are more explosive than Jacobs, that doesnt mean he'll lose his job. How many of those explosive backs have Jacob's power? Football isnt the result of stats, stats are the result of football.
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He isnt. He's great in the open field, but he is not a good receiver.
 
I told you all he was the next Tiki Barber but nobody would listen. If the coaches were watching the same game we were, Bradshaw should be the starter and Jacobs should be situational.

 
Not only does Bradshaw lack size, but he's also not a good receiver. Its not a good combination for a RB with any hopes of becoming a starter. While he was always a better runner than Ward was, Ward got more time due to those reasons. Bradshaw's role should remain the same.

I've never been a fan of Jacobs other than its fun to watch him hit people. Most NFL RBs are more explosive than Jacobs, that doesnt mean he'll lose his job. How many of those explosive backs have Jacob's power? Football isnt the result of stats, stats are the result of football.
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He isnt. He's great in the open field, but he is not a good receiver.
Even if that was true - which it isn't - fortunately for Bradshaw, Jacobs is a terrible receiver.
 
Not only does Bradshaw lack size, but he's also not a good receiver. Its not a good combination for a RB with any hopes of becoming a starter. While he was always a better runner than Ward was, Ward got more time due to those reasons. Bradshaw's role should remain the same.

I've never been a fan of Jacobs other than its fun to watch him hit people. Most NFL RBs are more explosive than Jacobs, that doesnt mean he'll lose his job. How many of those explosive backs have Jacob's power? Football isnt the result of stats, stats are the result of football.
I almost forgot....Brandon Jacobs has the hands of Jerry Rice.
 
I definitely don't see the workload shifting in Bradshaw's favor, if that's what you're asking.. Part of the reason for Bradshaw's success is him coming in with fresh legs against defenses that Jacobs has been pounding on all game.

What they're doing now is working.. No reason to change it up.
You make it sound like Bradshaw came in the the fourth quarter. I saw the game yesterday and this statement isn't true.
 
I definitely don't see the workload shifting in Bradshaw's favor, if that's what you're asking.. Part of the reason for Bradshaw's success is him coming in with fresh legs against defenses that Jacobs has been pounding on all game.

What they're doing now is working.. No reason to change it up.
Id agree with that before what I saw in today's game. Bradshaw just looked like the better all around back even in short yardage situations. I'm pretty sour about it because I started Jacobs over Bradshaw (when I should have just started both).Jacobs had a chance to score early in the game but wasnt able to convert a couple of goaline runs. Giants called Bradshaw's number and he pounded it through. There were a couple of other short yardage situations where Bradshaw was the guy before Jacobs. If I recall, there was a series where the cameras showed Jacobs on the sideline and he had his helmet strapped on as if he was ready to go in but Bradshaw was kept in.

Maybe they were playing the hot hand but that hot hand has been playing like this all season.
2-2-OAK 11 (9:47) 27-B.Jacobs left guard to OAK 5 for 6 yards (31-H.Eugene, 33-T.Branch).1-5-OAK 5 (9:12) 27-B.Jacobs right guard to OAK 2 for 3 yards (33-T.Branch, 31-H.Eugene).

2-2-OAK 2 (8:32) 27-B.Jacobs right tackle to OAK 1 for 1 yard (52-K.Morrison, 90-D.Bryant).

3-1-OAK 1 (7:49) 27-B.Jacobs right guard to OAK 1 for no gain (61-G.Warren, 34-M.Mitchell).

4-1-OAK 1 (7:06) 44-A.Bradshaw right guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

:shrug:

This was painful.

 
Phurfur said:
Gordon09 said:
I definitely don't see the workload shifting in Bradshaw's favor, if that's what you're asking.. Part of the reason for Bradshaw's success is him coming in with fresh legs against defenses that Jacobs has been pounding on all game.

What they're doing now is working.. No reason to change it up.
You make it sound like Bradshaw came in the the fourth quarter. I saw the game yesterday and this statement isn't true.
Sirius NFL radio reported (via sideline reporter) that after the 3 attempts from the 1 in the 1st quarter, Jacobs was being treated for a neck stinger so he was probably supposed to get more work, but didn't since Bradshaw was doing fine and they were scoring at will.
 
Phurfur said:
Gordon09 said:
I definitely don't see the workload shifting in Bradshaw's favor, if that's what you're asking.. Part of the reason for Bradshaw's success is him coming in with fresh legs against defenses that Jacobs has been pounding on all game.

What they're doing now is working.. No reason to change it up.
You make it sound like Bradshaw came in the the fourth quarter. I saw the game yesterday and this statement isn't true.
Sirius NFL radio reported (via sideline reporter) that after the 3 attempts from the 1 in the 1st quarter, Jacobs was being treated for a neck stinger so he was probably supposed to get more work, but didn't since Bradshaw was doing fine and they were scoring at will.
Wow, Jacobs is hurt again already.....
 
Phurfur said:
Gordon09 said:
I definitely don't see the workload shifting in Bradshaw's favor, if that's what you're asking.. Part of the reason for Bradshaw's success is him coming in with fresh legs against defenses that Jacobs has been pounding on all game.

What they're doing now is working.. No reason to change it up.
You make it sound like Bradshaw came in the the fourth quarter. I saw the game yesterday and this statement isn't true.
Sirius NFL radio reported (via sideline reporter) that after the 3 attempts from the 1 in the 1st quarter, Jacobs was being treated for a neck stinger so he was probably supposed to get more work, but didn't since Bradshaw was doing fine and they were scoring at will.
Wow, Jacobs is hurt again already.....
He played the second half, even with Carr in the game. Looked to me like they were trying to get him touches and resting Bradshaw in the second half.
 
Phurfur said:
Gordon09 said:
I definitely don't see the workload shifting in Bradshaw's favor, if that's what you're asking.. Part of the reason for Bradshaw's success is him coming in with fresh legs against defenses that Jacobs has been pounding on all game.

What they're doing now is working.. No reason to change it up.
You make it sound like Bradshaw came in the the fourth quarter. I saw the game yesterday and this statement isn't true.
Sirius NFL radio reported (via sideline reporter) that after the 3 attempts from the 1 in the 1st quarter, Jacobs was being treated for a neck stinger so he was probably supposed to get more work, but didn't since Bradshaw was doing fine and they were scoring at will.
Wow, Jacobs is hurt again already.....
He played the second half, even with Carr in the game. Looked to me like they were trying to get him touches and resting Bradshaw in the second half.
Bradshaw also got hurt in the 2nd half.
 
Bradshaw looked great, but his runs were almost perfectly blocked. Jacobs was met in the backfield a few times, and he also struggled a lot on runs to the outside. Between the tackles, Jacobs ran with a good burst and power, especially after he returned from the neck injury. This is a good buy low moment for Jacobs, because he will be back in the end zone soon. He's not going to be replaced by Bradshaw in short yardage situations, let a Jacobs owner who doesn't do their homework assume that and try to get him cheap this week.

 
Bradshaw looked great, but his runs were almost perfectly blocked. Jacobs was met in the backfield a few times, and he also struggled a lot on runs to the outside. Between the tackles, Jacobs ran with a good burst and power, especially after he returned from the neck injury. This is a good buy low moment for Jacobs, because he will be back in the end zone soon. He's not going to be replaced by Bradshaw in short yardage situations, let a Jacobs owner who doesn't do their homework assume that and try to get him cheap this week.
That's exactly what happened on Sunday... Jacobs couldnt get it done so Bradshaw replaced him on short yardage throughout the game and he converted.
 
Bradshaw looked great, but his runs were almost perfectly blocked. Jacobs was met in the backfield a few times, and he also struggled a lot on runs to the outside. Between the tackles, Jacobs ran with a good burst and power, especially after he returned from the neck injury. This is a good buy low moment for Jacobs, because he will be back in the end zone soon. He's not going to be replaced by Bradshaw in short yardage situations, let a Jacobs owner who doesn't do their homework assume that and try to get him cheap this week.
That's exactly what happened on Sunday... Jacobs couldnt get it done so Bradshaw replaced him on short yardage throughout the game and he converted.
It's not Jacobs' fault though. His runs were poorly blocked, while Bradshaw was just the beneficiary of good blocking. Bloom spelled it all out in black & white above. ;)
 
UnknownCoach said:
identikit said:
UnknownCoach said:
Not only does Bradshaw lack size, but he's also not a good receiver. Its not a good combination for a RB with any hopes of becoming a starter. While he was always a better runner than Ward was, Ward got more time due to those reasons. Bradshaw's role should remain the same.

I've never been a fan of Jacobs other than its fun to watch him hit people. Most NFL RBs are more explosive than Jacobs, that doesnt mean he'll lose his job. How many of those explosive backs have Jacob's power? Football isnt the result of stats, stats are the result of football.
;)
He isnt. He's great in the open field, but he is not a good receiver.
He's 6-7 with his targets thus far this season....I don't think he qualifies as an 'average' or 'bad' receiver based on what we've seen in 2009.

 
Bradshaw looked great, but his runs were almost perfectly blocked. Jacobs was met in the backfield a few times, and he also struggled a lot on runs to the outside. Between the tackles, Jacobs ran with a good burst and power, especially after he returned from the neck injury. This is a good buy low moment for Jacobs, because he will be back in the end zone soon. He's not going to be replaced by Bradshaw in short yardage situations, let a Jacobs owner who doesn't do their homework assume that and try to get him cheap this week.
Wow Bloom, I didn't see this at all yesterday. I've watched every Giants game this year and Jacobs just seems to be going down at first contact way too often. I didn't see much burst or power in the majority of his inside runs. Sure, he had a couple nice runs but he got arm tackled a lot yesterday...which we almost never saw last year.
 
Jacobs is a good plodder - But Bradshaw could be a NFL superstar if given a legit chance to be the feature guy.

 
Bradshaw looked great, but his runs were almost perfectly blocked. Jacobs was met in the backfield a few times, and he also struggled a lot on runs to the outside. Between the tackles, Jacobs ran with a good burst and power, especially after he returned from the neck injury. This is a good buy low moment for Jacobs, because he will be back in the end zone soon. He's not going to be replaced by Bradshaw in short yardage situations, let a Jacobs owner who doesn't do their homework assume that and try to get him cheap this week.
I watch every Giants game, and I can tell you I will not be trying to get Jacobs in redraft. He does not look like the same back from last year at all. He doesn't have the same burst and is going down on first contact.Last year was a contract year and a career year for Jacobs. Red flags were there but too many kool-aid drinkers for this guy.
 
Bradshaw looked great, but his runs were almost perfectly blocked. Jacobs was met in the backfield a few times, and he also struggled a lot on runs to the outside. Between the tackles, Jacobs ran with a good burst and power, especially after he returned from the neck injury. This is a good buy low moment for Jacobs, because he will be back in the end zone soon. He's not going to be replaced by Bradshaw in short yardage situations, let a Jacobs owner who doesn't do their homework assume that and try to get him cheap this week.
Wow Bloom, I didn't see this at all yesterday. I've watched every Giants game this year and Jacobs just seems to be going down at first contact way too often. I didn't see much burst or power in the majority of his inside runs. Sure, he had a couple nice runs but he got arm tackled a lot yesterday...which we almost never saw last year.
His first few runs definitely lacked his normal burst, but after he returned from the stinger, he seemed to run with a lot more authority and win more collisions. He looks feeble when he gets his shoulder pads turned and has to run outside, but when holes were there between the tackles, he looked a lot more like he did last year. He did go down too easy on outside runs, but hopefully they don't ask him to do that much more because its not his forte.
 
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Sounds like most of us can agree that Bradshaw has looked like a special RB lately, while Jacobs has looked average at best. That said, the coaching staff continues to give more touches to Jacobs, and I'm guessing that they know more than a bunch of random dudes on a fantasy football message board.

 
3 straight Jacobs failures from the 1 and then Bradshaw finishes the deal pretty much tells the story.
What game was that in? Jacobs had one attempt from the 1 yard line after he had pounded it down there from the 11 yard line. So on 4th and goal from the one they take him out and put Bradshaw in.....the defense thinks they are going play action pass and gets caught on their heals. Bradshaw walks in.
 
Sounds like most of us can agree that Bradshaw has looked like a special RB lately, while Jacobs has looked average at best. That said, the coaching staff continues to give more touches to Jacobs, and I'm guessing that they know more than a bunch of random dudes on a fantasy football message board.
Yes....and this also is the same stuff being said about Ward last year.
 
3 straight Jacobs failures from the 1 and then Bradshaw finishes the deal pretty much tells the story.
What game was that in? Jacobs had one attempt from the 1 yard line after he had pounded it down there from the 11 yard line. So on 4th and goal from the one they take him out and put Bradshaw in.....the defense thinks they are going play action pass and gets caught on their heals. Bradshaw walks in.
This may clarify things:2-2-OAK 11 (9:47) 27-B.Jacobs left guard to OAK 5 for 6 yards (31-H.Eugene, 33-T.Branch).1-5-OAK 5 (9:12) 27-B.Jacobs right guard to OAK 2 for 3 yards (33-T.Branch, 31-H.Eugene).2-2-OAK 2 (8:32) 27-B.Jacobs right tackle to OAK 1 for 1 yard (52-K.Morrison, 90-D.Bryant).3-1-OAK 1 (7:49) 27-B.Jacobs right guard to OAK 1 for no gain (61-G.Warren, 34-M.Mitchell).4-1-OAK 1 (7:06) 44-A.Bradshaw right guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.Looks like he had three shots from inside the 5 and couldn't get the job done.
 
For those fantasy owners who own both Jacobs and Bradshaw - are you considering starting Bradshaw over Jacobs?

I own both of them in my dynasty league, and have started Jacobs every week. I'm getting to the point where I'm seriously considering starting Bradshaw and leaving Jacobs on the bench. I've only seen two Giants games so far, and in both of them Bradshaw looked a lot more explosive.

 
3 straight Jacobs failures from the 1 and then Bradshaw finishes the deal pretty much tells the story.
What game was that in? Jacobs had one attempt from the 1 yard line after he had pounded it down there from the 11 yard line. So on 4th and goal from the one they take him out and put Bradshaw in.....the defense thinks they are going play action pass and gets caught on their heals. Bradshaw walks in.
What's the difference? 1-5-OAK5 (9:12) B.Jacobs right guard to OAK 2 for 3 yards (T.Branch, H.Eugene). 2-2-OAK2 (8:32) B.Jacobs right tackle to OAK 1 for 1 yard (K.Morrison, D.Bryant). 3-1-OAK1 (7:49) B.Jacobs right guard to OAK 1 for no gain (G.Warren, M.Mitchell). 3 carries, 4 yards, no TD = failure. Jamal Lewis type failure. A guy that big should be pushing the pile. Not falling down and collecting a paycheck.
 

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