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Brady and Moss (1 Viewer)

ajopiela

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Let me first start by saying, i AM a New England homer. But this year i'm thinking of taking Moss in round 1 and Brady in round 2.

Think about it...it would have been impossible to get both these players last year because they were both first round picks. What has changed this year? I think if anything Brady Moss and company are out to prove something.

If Brady throws for 40ish TD and Moss catches 15ish, than you can't deny that the duo is worth having, running back quality aside. I've done several mocks and i agree with David Dodds that RB value is certianly there in the 3-6th rounds.

My drafts have indicated that the 6th-8th picks are the place to try to pull of this strategy. You won't be reaching too much for either player.

Also worth noting, i'd only do this in a 6pt per passing TD league

So what are your feelings on drafting Brady and Moss?

 
I think it is an "All IN" Philosophy that if it works, you run the table (I had Brady and Welker in 2007 and walked through the season), if it does not, you could be in for a long one. My money is on the first scenario though.......

 
I'm in agreement with this strategy. In my auction, partial keeper league I have Brady, Moss, and Welker. I feel really good about this. I live in New England and HATE the Patriots, but fantasy football is about picking the best players, not the ones you like.

 
really no way you will get both of these players in a 6 pt per pass TD league......you might want to have plan B ready to go....becuase it will quickly become your new plan A

 
Not to RAIN on your parade, but I just do not see that this will fall to you.

Of the 10 Survivor Leagues that have completed a draft at Footballguys.com,

Moss has gone :

1.05,1.11,1.03,1.03,1.04,1.03,1.07,1.05,1.05,1.06 for an average of 1.05

Brady has gone :

1.09,1.12,1.11,1.04,1.11,1.11,1.01,1.06,2.03,1.09 for an average of 1.09

 
I like this idea. I mainly like it because I think there is great depth at RB that can be had in rounds 3-5. The only thing is, I would imagine you would have to reverse your order of picking them... go Brady in round 1 and Moss in round 2. Brady is coming off the board as either QB1 or QB2 just about everywhere I look. Moss is never going as WR1 (OK maybe rarely) and is more in line with being the #3 or #4 WR taken. Your chances of getting Moss in round 2 are higher than your chances of getting Brady in round 2 IMO.

 
Not to RAIN on your parade, but I just do not see that this will fall to you.Of the 10 Survivor Leagues that have completed a draft at Footballguys.com,Moss has gone :1.05,1.11,1.03,1.03,1.04,1.03,1.07,1.05,1.05,1.06 for an average of 1.05Brady has gone :1.09,1.12,1.11,1.04,1.11,1.11,1.01,1.06,2.03,1.09 for an average of 1.09
Exactly. I'm in a 6-pt TD league picking #4, and if Brady continues to show he is "back" in the next two preseason games, by the time my 8/29 draft rolls around, if I don't pick him at #4, he'll be going soon after. I'd imagine this will be the case in all late August drafts.
 
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Not to RAIN on your parade, but I just do not see that this will fall to you.Of the 10 Survivor Leagues that have completed a draft at Footballguys.com,Moss has gone :1.05,1.11,1.03,1.03,1.04,1.03,1.07,1.05,1.05,1.06 for an average of 1.05Brady has gone :1.09,1.12,1.11,1.04,1.11,1.11,1.01,1.06,2.03,1.09 for an average of 1.09
These are the survivor leagues that only run for 5 weeks, right? If so, the value for both Brady and Moss are inflated a bit because several other players have byes in weeks 4 or 5, and the Pats don't. Still, I agree that Brady making it back in the second appears unlikely.
 
Not sure I would call 3 games in the northeast a great playoff schedule.

Yes, the opponents are not great.

But 2 home games and one at buffalo weeks 14-16 of the season.

No telling the weather there. Have a good backup!!!

Signed...a player who rode Favre, Jennings, and Crosby to the finals in 2007 and got hammered due to that crappy weather game in Chicago week 16.

 
if they're there, go for it, but i dont think you'll have a chance at both.

guy who won my league last year had half the freakin' Cowboys offense and it worked for him

 
Not sure I would call 3 games in the northeast a great playoff schedule.Yes, the opponents are not great.But 2 home games and one at buffalo weeks 14-16 of the season.No telling the weather there. Have a good backup!!!Signed...a player who rode Favre, Jennings, and Crosby to the finals in 2007 and got hammered due to that crappy weather game in Chicago week 16.
Exactly. The weather is the most important opponent when it comes to owning Brady or Moss in the fantasy playoffs.
 
Not sure I would call 3 games in the northeast a great playoff schedule.Yes, the opponents are not great.But 2 home games and one at buffalo weeks 14-16 of the season.No telling the weather there. Have a good backup!!!Signed...a player who rode Favre, Jennings, and Crosby to the finals in 2007 and got hammered due to that crappy weather game in Chicago week 16.
Agreed - In 2007, a team rode Brady to playoffs then got hammered in a week 15 playoff match-up where it snowed in NE. Brady and the whole Pats offense put up poor numbers.
 
Not sure I would call 3 games in the northeast a great playoff schedule.Yes, the opponents are not great.But 2 home games and one at buffalo weeks 14-16 of the season.No telling the weather there. Have a good backup!!!Signed...a player who rode Favre, Jennings, and Crosby to the finals in 2007 and got hammered due to that crappy weather game in Chicago week 16.
Agreed - In 2007, a team rode Brady to playoffs then got hammered in a week 15 playoff match-up where it snowed in NE. Brady and the whole Pats offense put up poor numbers.
Yeah...I beat the Brady owner that week...karma got me back in the finals.
 
This was a great strategy in 2007 when both could be had at the 2/3 turn from the #1 hole. Very few drafts will shake out where you can grab both these guys this year unless you have 2 first round picks or play in a 8 team league.

 
really no way you will get both of these players in a 6 pt per pass TD league......you might want to have plan B ready to go....becuase it will quickly become your new plan A
I got them both in Zealot Masters, which is supposed to be pretty dang competitive, to say the least.In fact, got Fitz 1.09, Moss 2.04, Brady 3.08.

OP, I'm with you. :D

 
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I woudl argue that unless your in a league with New England Homers or people know what your going to do, you could easily get these guys with pick 8 or 9

 
I LOVE it, although no way I take QB in the 2nd.

12 team league - FFPC scoring (2 flex, 1.5ppr for TEs)

1.12 AJ

2.1 Moss

3.12 Brady

4.1 Reggie Bush

5.12 Dallas Clark

6.1 Ray Rice

7.12 Devin Hester

ME LIKEY!

 
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I woudl argue that unless your in a league with New England Homers or people know what your going to do, you could easily get these guys with pick 8 or 9
Read this thread last night about 2 hours before my draft and was wondering if it would be possible in a 10 team league drafting from the 8 spot.To my surprise, it came to fruition. Moss at 1.08 and Brady at 2.03.Relied heavily on the "value at RB in rounds 3 through 5"...We'll worry about the fantasy playoffs once/if we get there! :crazy:
 
To answer the posters question though. Good stratgey given the depth at RB this year. However, this strategy destroyed many fantasy seasons last year. Remember the old saying, "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice..."

 
Here were the RBs available in rounds 3-5 last year . . .

25. Bush, Reggie NOS

26. McGahee, Willis BAL

27. Lewis, Jamal CLE

35. Jacobs, Brandon NYG

36. Maroney, Laurence NEP

37. McFadden, Darren OAK

38. Parker, Willie PIT

42. Turner, Michael ATL

47. Graham, Earnest TBB

48. Jones, Thomas NYJ

55. James, Edgerrin ARI

57. Brown, Ronnie MIA

60. Young, Selvin DEN

There were three home runs, but the others were a bit disappointing.

 
Here were the RBs available in rounds 3-5 last year . . .25. Bush, Reggie NOS 26. McGahee, Willis BAL 27. Lewis, Jamal CLE 35. Jacobs, Brandon NYG 36. Maroney, Laurence NEP 37. McFadden, Darren OAK 38. Parker, Willie PIT 42. Turner, Michael ATL 47. Graham, Earnest TBB 48. Jones, Thomas NYJ 55. James, Edgerrin ARI 57. Brown, Ronnie MIA 60. Young, Selvin DEN There were three home runs, but the others were a bit disappointing.
David,But with the production that you'll get from Brady and Moss (provided they're both healthy and hitting on all cylinders), you might be able to afford hitting "singles" in that range rather than needing "home runs"...I personally was able to get Ronnie Brown, Pierre Thomas and Cedric Benson in that range...
 
Here were the RBs available in rounds 3-5 last year . . .25. Bush, Reggie NOS 26. McGahee, Willis BAL 27. Lewis, Jamal CLE 35. Jacobs, Brandon NYG 36. Maroney, Laurence NEP 37. McFadden, Darren OAK 38. Parker, Willie PIT 42. Turner, Michael ATL 47. Graham, Earnest TBB 48. Jones, Thomas NYJ 55. James, Edgerrin ARI 57. Brown, Ronnie MIA 60. Young, Selvin DEN There were three home runs, but the others were a bit disappointing.
David,But with the production that you'll get from Brady and Moss (provided they're both healthy and hitting on all cylinders), you might be able to afford hitting "singles" in that range rather than needing "home runs"...I personally was able to get Ronnie Brown, Pierre Thomas and Cedric Benson in that range...
I have nothing against drafting Brady and Moss and then worrying about RBs. I was only referring to someone who mentioned that there is always RB value in the 3rd to 6th rounds. I think there are usually a couple of backs that will do far better than their draft spot in those rounds, but the miss rate is pretty high.Last year, for example, if you ended up with Turner, Jones, Jacobs, or Forte to go along with say Brady and Moss (if that was even possible), you may have been ok at RB. But if you with Maroney and Brown (to go along with Brady getting hurt), you would have been dead in the water.
 
Here were the RBs available in rounds 3-5 last year . . .25. Bush, Reggie NOS 26. McGahee, Willis BAL 27. Lewis, Jamal CLE 35. Jacobs, Brandon NYG 36. Maroney, Laurence NEP 37. McFadden, Darren OAK 38. Parker, Willie PIT 42. Turner, Michael ATL 47. Graham, Earnest TBB 48. Jones, Thomas NYJ 55. James, Edgerrin ARI 57. Brown, Ronnie MIA 60. Young, Selvin DEN There were three home runs, but the others were a bit disappointing.
David,But with the production that you'll get from Brady and Moss (provided they're both healthy and hitting on all cylinders), you might be able to afford hitting "singles" in that range rather than needing "home runs"...I personally was able to get Ronnie Brown, Pierre Thomas and Cedric Benson in that range...
I have nothing against drafting Brady and Moss and then worrying about RBs. I was only referring to someone who mentioned that there is always RB value in the 3rd to 6th rounds. I think there are usually a couple of backs that will do far better than their draft spot in those rounds, but the miss rate is pretty high.Last year, for example, if you ended up with Turner, Jones, Jacobs, or Forte to go along with say Brady and Moss (if that was even possible), you may have been ok at RB. But if you with Maroney and Brown (to go along with Brady getting hurt), you would have been dead in the water.
I don't agree that there is "always" value in those rounds at RB, but I think this year that theory might prove to be true with the depth at the position along with team's tendencies to use a 2 or even 3 back rotation.If Moss and Brady are on this year, that margin for error in those rounds at RB shrinks quite a bit...
 
What if you are in a league with 4pts/passing TD, as most of us are? Is this still a legit strategy?

I tried this from the 10 spot in a mock draft (12 teams) last night, here's what i got:

Brady, Garrard

Ronnie Brown, Kevin Smith, Benson, Leon Washington, Michael Bush

Moss, Santana Moss, Driver, Harvin, Josh Morgan

Tony Gonzalez

Really thin at RB3 and WR2. Counting on Benson and Santana Moss may be a disaster.

If you do this strategy, you should def. wait on a TE... i took gonzalez in the 6th, and i would've been much better off with Rice or DBrown.

I've never been an early-QB guy, but i think it's a very safe bet that Brady will have 30+ TDs and Moss will have 12+.

Upside is 40+ and 15+ :hot:

if you tried this in a real draft, please post your roster.

 
karmarooster said:
What if you are in a league with 4pts/passing TD, as most of us are? Is this still a legit strategy?

I tried this from the 10 spot in a mock draft (12 teams) last night, here's what i got:

Brady, Garrard

Ronnie Brown, Kevin Smith, Benson, Leon Washington, Michael Bush

Moss, Santana Moss, Driver, Harvin, Josh Morgan

Tony Gonzalez

Really thin at RB3 and WR2. Counting on Benson and Santana Moss may be a disaster.

If you do this strategy, you should def. wait on a TE... i took gonzalez in the 6th, and i would've been much better off with Rice or DBrown.

I've never been an early-QB guy, but i think it's a very safe bet that Brady will have 30+ TDs and Moss will have 12+.

Upside is 40+ and 15+ :D

if you tried this in a real draft, please post your roster.
Draft last night. 10 team league. 20 man roster. From the 8th spot...QB: Tom Brady, Marc Bulger

RB: Ronnie Brown, Pierre Thomas, Cedric Benson, Leon Washington, Fred Jackson

WR: Randy Moss, Roddy White, Eddie Royal, Antonio Bryant, Lee Evans, Josh Morgan, Domenik Hixon

TE: Greg Olsen, Zach Miller

PK: Nate Kaeding, Nick Folk

TD: San Diego Chargers, Carolina Panthers

If anyone is looking at a round by round, will post...

 
What if you are in a league with 4pts/passing TD, as most of us are? Is this still a legit strategy?

I tried this from the 10 spot in a mock draft (12 teams) last night, here's what i got:

Brady, Garrard

Ronnie Brown, Kevin Smith, Benson, Leon Washington, Michael Bush

Moss, Santana Moss, Driver, Harvin, Josh Morgan

Tony Gonzalez

Really thin at RB3 and WR2. Counting on Benson and Santana Moss may be a disaster.

If you do this strategy, you should def. wait on a TE... i took gonzalez in the 6th, and i would've been much better off with Rice or DBrown.

I've never been an early-QB guy, but i think it's a very safe bet that Brady will have 30+ TDs and Moss will have 12+.

Upside is 40+ and 15+ :no:

if you tried this in a real draft, please post your roster.
Draft last night. 10 team league. 20 man roster. From the 8th spot...QB: Tom Brady, Marc Bulger

RB: Ronnie Brown, Pierre Thomas, Cedric Benson, Leon Washington, Fred Jackson

WR: Randy Moss, Roddy White, Eddie Royal, Antonio Bryant, Lee Evans, Josh Morgan, Domenik Hixon

TE: Greg Olsen, Zach Miller

PK: Nate Kaeding, Nick Folk

TD: San Diego Chargers, Carolina Panthers

If anyone is looking at a round by round, will post...
NICE...
 
What if you are in a league with 4pts/passing TD, as most of us are? Is this still a legit strategy?

I tried this from the 10 spot in a mock draft (12 teams) last night, here's what i got:

Brady, Garrard

Ronnie Brown, Kevin Smith, Benson, Leon Washington, Michael Bush

Moss, Santana Moss, Driver, Harvin, Josh Morgan

Tony Gonzalez

Really thin at RB3 and WR2. Counting on Benson and Santana Moss may be a disaster.

If you do this strategy, you should def. wait on a TE... i took gonzalez in the 6th, and i would've been much better off with Rice or DBrown.

I've never been an early-QB guy, but i think it's a very safe bet that Brady will have 30+ TDs and Moss will have 12+.

Upside is 40+ and 15+ :lmao:

if you tried this in a real draft, please post your roster.
Draft last night. 10 team league. 20 man roster. From the 8th spot...QB: Tom Brady, Marc Bulger

RB: Ronnie Brown, Pierre Thomas, Cedric Benson, Leon Washington, Fred Jackson

WR: Randy Moss, Roddy White, Eddie Royal, Antonio Bryant, Lee Evans, Josh Morgan, Domenik Hixon

TE: Greg Olsen, Zach Miller

PK: Nate Kaeding, Nick Folk

TD: San Diego Chargers, Carolina Panthers

If anyone is looking at a round by round, will post...
NICE...
Hopefully Brady stays healthy. Are you starting 2 RBs in this league ?RB depth is not good at all for a 10 team league. Everything else is solid.

 
I implemented this plan in my 12 team league. All TDs = 6 pts.

QB: Tom Brady (1.10)

RB: Kevin Smith (3.10)

WR: Randy Moss (2.03)

TE: Antonio Gates (4.03)

Flex: Reggie Bush (5.10)

Flex: Chad Ochocinco (6.03)

Flex: Felix Jones (8.03)

K: ???

DL: Jared Allen (9.10)

LB: Ray Lewis (7.10)

DB: ???

DFlex: ???

DFlex: ???

This draft is still in progress...

 
What if you are in a league with 4pts/passing TD, as most of us are? Is this still a legit strategy?

I tried this from the 10 spot in a mock draft (12 teams) last night, here's what i got:

Brady, Garrard

Ronnie Brown, Kevin Smith, Benson, Leon Washington, Michael Bush

Moss, Santana Moss, Driver, Harvin, Josh Morgan

Tony Gonzalez

Really thin at RB3 and WR2. Counting on Benson and Santana Moss may be a disaster.

If you do this strategy, you should def. wait on a TE... i took gonzalez in the 6th, and i would've been much better off with Rice or DBrown.

I've never been an early-QB guy, but i think it's a very safe bet that Brady will have 30+ TDs and Moss will have 12+.

Upside is 40+ and 15+ ;)

if you tried this in a real draft, please post your roster.
I'd be happy with that roster....VERY happyIm gana do a draft and post mine

 
Also worth noting....it is VERY possible to get Brady and Welker PLUS a STUD running back....

I'm thinking i might try a draft using that strategy. I'm thinking you would need to reach for Brady in the first a little bit however....

 
Also worth noting....it is VERY possible to get Brady and Welker PLUS a STUD running back....I'm thinking i might try a draft using that strategy. I'm thinking you would need to reach for Brady in the first a little bit however....
Is anyone worried that Moss at 34 may have lost a step since the his 07' monster year. I know it was only preseson but he didn't look too impressive last night. I have the 10th pick in a PPR league where we start 3 WRs and they go early. I figure Fitz and A Johnson will be gone and I have reservations about Moss. Will New England try to run up the score like they did in 07'?, Will all the receiving options (Welker,Galloway,Lewis,Watson,Faulk and Taylor) cut into Moss's receptions? I know many here are high on Moss. Any thoughts?
 
Also worth noting....it is VERY possible to get Brady and Welker PLUS a STUD running back....I'm thinking i might try a draft using that strategy. I'm thinking you would need to reach for Brady in the first a little bit however....
Is anyone worried that Moss at 34 may have lost a step since the his 07' monster year. I know it was only preseson but he didn't look too impressive last night. I have the 10th pick in a PPR league where we start 3 WRs and they go early. I figure Fitz and A Johnson will be gone and I have reservations about Moss. Will New England try to run up the score like they did in 07'?, Will all the receiving options (Welker,Galloway,Lewis,Watson,Faulk and Taylor) cut into Moss's receptions? I know many here are high on Moss. Any thoughts?
Well he's 32 not 34, and I wouldn't worry about what you see in the preseason. And as far as the other recievers go, they had at least that much talent in 07 and you see what he did. He's still fast and has great hands, but also at age 32 I have to think that he's a smarter route runner too. As long as he and Brady are healthy he will be a top 3 reciever easily.
 
I nearly did this in a 12 team ppr 1/2 flex from 8th pick just before pre week 1.

Moss (1,08)

Calvin (2,05)

Brees (2,08) traded 3rd and 5th for this and 11th

TonyG (4,05)

Ward (6,05)

Parker (7,08)

Brady was there at 2,08 but I backed out at the last second. I wouldn't count on him being there that late anymore though, actually someone grabbed Peyton first at 2,03 so I was lucky.

Ward in the 6th and Parker in the 7th make this strategy very strong, imo, but you need the right draft pick, or trade around to get there.

 
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Also worth noting....it is VERY possible to get Brady and Welker PLUS a STUD running back....I'm thinking i might try a draft using that strategy. I'm thinking you would need to reach for Brady in the first a little bit however....
Is anyone worried that Moss at 34 may have lost a step since the his 07' monster year. I know it was only preseson but he didn't look too impressive last night. I have the 10th pick in a PPR league where we start 3 WRs and they go early. I figure Fitz and A Johnson will be gone and I have reservations about Moss. Will New England try to run up the score like they did in 07'?, Will all the receiving options (Welker,Galloway,Lewis,Watson,Faulk and Taylor) cut into Moss's receptions? I know many here are high on Moss. Any thoughts?
Well he's 32 not 34, and I wouldn't worry about what you see in the preseason. And as far as the other recievers go, they had at least that much talent in 07 and you see what he did. He's still fast and has great hands, but also at age 32 I have to think that he's a smarter route runner too. As long as he and Brady are healthy he will be a top 3 reciever easily.
My bad-but even at 32 (turns 33 in February) you start wondering when recievers will slow down. Both Holt and Ward at 33 have dropped down on cheat sheets significantly.
 
Well, since Brady is the #1 or #2 QB, and Moss is an elite WR (anywhere from #1 to #4), then of course it's a great strategy to get these two guys in the first two rounds. I only have 2 RBs worth more than them (depending on scoring system and depth of league) and that's MJD and Peterson.

Really, if you get Brady or Brees + elite WR (Moss, Calvin, Fitz, Andre) with your first 2 picks, you're doing pretty well.

 
Also worth noting....it is VERY possible to get Brady and Welker PLUS a STUD running back....I'm thinking i might try a draft using that strategy. I'm thinking you would need to reach for Brady in the first a little bit however....
Is anyone worried that Moss at 34 may have lost a step since the his 07' monster year. I know it was only preseson but he didn't look too impressive last night. I have the 10th pick in a PPR league where we start 3 WRs and they go early. I figure Fitz and A Johnson will be gone and I have reservations about Moss. Will New England try to run up the score like they did in 07'?, Will all the receiving options (Welker,Galloway,Lewis,Watson,Faulk and Taylor) cut into Moss's receptions? I know many here are high on Moss. Any thoughts?
Well he's 32 not 34, and I wouldn't worry about what you see in the preseason. And as far as the other recievers go, they had at least that much talent in 07 and you see what he did. He's still fast and has great hands, but also at age 32 I have to think that he's a smarter route runner too. As long as he and Brady are healthy he will be a top 3 reciever easily.
My bad-but even at 32 (turns 33 in February) you start wondering when recievers will slow down. Both Holt and Ward at 33 have dropped down on cheat sheets significantly.
IIRC, Moss didn't play a down in the preseason in 2007. We all remember how that season worked out...I wouldn't put too much stock in his preseason performance...
 
I'll assume most of you are taking Moss in the first and Brady in the second. To those that are taking Moss in the first, is Fitzgerald still available? If he were, would that change your strategy? Do you still go Moss and Brady or diversify and go Fitzgerald and Brady?

 
I'll assume most of you are taking Moss in the first and Brady in the second. To those that are taking Moss in the first, is Fitzgerald still available? If he were, would that change your strategy? Do you still go Moss and Brady or diversify and go Fitzgerald and Brady?
Actually, I took Brady in the first at 1.10. Fitz was taken one pick later at 1.11, and I grabbed Moss at 2.3.Brees went 1.8, Andre went 1.12, Calvin went 2.4.
 
I tried this strategy in a 12-team mock draft today, mainly to see what running backs would be there at the 3/4 turn. Got Ryan Grant at 3.11 and was underwhelmed by what was left at 4 so I switched gears and took Witten. Here's my team:

Brady (2.02)

Flacco (14.02)

Grant (3.11)

Wells (7.11)

D Brown (8.02)

Hightower (9.11)

Hillis (16.02)

Moss (1.11)

Royal (5.11)

V Jackson (6.02)

Morgan (10.02)

Henry (11.11)

Witten (4.02)

Shiancoe (15.11)

Bironas (13.11)

Chargers D (12.01)

After running this experiment, I'm not averse to doing this for real if I draw th 11 or 12 pick, but I think I'd rather go WR/WR or WR and someone like Jacobs or Slaton, and wait on my QB

 

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