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Brady still not the best ever (1 Viewer)

NCCommish said:
Stats are important. Wins are more important

 And love him or hate him you have to admit Brady wins.
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well, to be fair the guys over there are still putting out rankings for the 2013 season so his rankings may go up once they make it to 2016

 
fantasycurse42 said:
I'm a 49ers fan, I've argued Montana for the last few years, even I'm in a position where it is getting harder to argue.
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I'm the same with Elway but after last night. I told everyone at our party Games not over since the pats have Brady.  Biggest comeback, most passing yards etc. I know it's a team game but he lifts that team to greatness 

 
I've been a Steelers fan for almost 40 years, and Brady has caused me more heartache than any other player in NFL history.  I HATE the guy.  I want to punch the TV every time I see his cry-baby-face.   I want Dentist to crap on his chest and rub it around.

But he is the best QB I've ever seen. 

 
I'm a Bostonian and one of the few who've seen the Pats play @ all 6 of their franchise addresses and STILL - whether i was starting a franchise, wanting to win a game, conduct a drive or make a play - I'd want Roger Staubach as my QB. But there's not a doubt in my mind Tom Brady has earned the GOAT title. 

 
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Super edgy post , bro.  I cut myself a little bit just reading it.  
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Maybe I missed something but the Seahawks are being fined $400K (Carroll is being fined $200K), they're losing a week of OTA's, and they've been docked a fifth round pick.  Maybe the reason why people aren't talking about it is that the Seahawks are taking their punishment like big boys?

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Maybe I missed something but the Seahawks are being fined $400K (Carroll is being fined $200K), they're losing a week of OTA's, and they've been docked a fifth round pick.  Maybe the reason why people aren't talking about it is that the Seahawks are taking their punishment like big boys?
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Or, maybe they cheat as much (or more) than that Patriots and you are getting their violations mixed up? What you stated was for contact during off season drills. Has nothing to do with not reporting injuries. 

 
If he isn't GOAT I'm not sure what he would have to do to get there.  

I put Manning and Marino on sort of an island.  Both more talented QBs on paper, but lacked big game skills.  Manning won 2 super bowls but was not really the driving reason IMO those seasons were successful, and had several epic meltdowns.  Marino just was wrong place at wrong time for most part.

Brady needs to be compared to Montana and that's probably it.  The QBs before Montana played such a different game that they almost need to be set aside in their own category as well.

 
culdeus said:
If he isn't GOAT I'm not sure what he would have to do to get there.  

I put Manning and Marino on sort of an island.  Both more talented QBs on paper, but lacked big game skills.  Manning won 2 super bowls but was not really the driving reason IMO those seasons were successful, and had several epic meltdowns.  Marino just was wrong place at wrong time for most part.

Brady needs to be compared to Montana and that's probably it.  The QBs before Montana played such a different game that they almost need to be set aside in their own category as well.
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I'd put Marino on an island with Aaron Rodgers and maybe Favre, Elway, Young as great after-the-snap QBs, Peyton as a great before-the-snap QB and Brady & Montana as greats at both plus that leadership extra. So hard to quantify pre-Walsh QBs like Staubach, Unitas because that was a whole nuther game.

 
NCCommish said:
So the Pats are cheaters. But the Seahawks broke the rules by not putting players on the injury report. That's a major violation I know the hammer is coming, wait what? No punishment at all? No hot takes for weeks over something you could actually prove? Because it only matters when the it's the Pats. Why? ####ing jealous crybabies. I was raised hating the Pats. If they never win another game I couldn't care less. But to see the people so childishly invested in hating people they never met and have no clue about rouses the contrarian in me. it offends my sense of fair play. So I rooted for Brady and Co. I wanted that slimy piece of #### Goddell to have to hand them the trophy. And they did it in the most amazing way they could. Biggest comeback win in SB history. Most passing yards in SB history. Most completions. 4 time MVP, also a record. 5 rings.  Brady and Bellichik are the GOAT. And no one is likely to ever catch them. Then on top of that apparently the Pats are going to sign Brady to an extension. I will now be rooting for him to get ring 6 just to piss off the childish whiners.
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That is why I am hoping that Super Bowl LII is New England vs. Dallas.

 
culdeus said:
If he isn't GOAT I'm not sure what he would have to do to get there.  

I put Manning and Marino on sort of an island.  Both more talented QBs on paper, but lacked big game skills.  Manning won 2 super bowls but was not really the driving reason IMO those seasons were successful, and had several epic meltdowns.  Marino just was wrong place at wrong time for most part.

Brady needs to be compared to Montana and that's probably it.  The QBs before Montana played such a different game that they almost need to be set aside in their own category as well.
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So basically all football history starts when you were born. Got it.

 
As a huge Niner's and Joe Montana fan, I am willing to concede that Brady is very close to, if not better than Montana :bag:

 
culdeus said:
If he isn't GOAT I'm not sure what he would have to do to get there.  

I put Manning and Marino on sort of an island.  Both more talented QBs on paper, but lacked big game skills.  Manning won 2 super bowls but was not really the driving reason IMO those seasons were successful, and had several epic meltdowns.  Marino just was wrong place at wrong time for most part.

Brady needs to be compared to Montana and that's probably it.  The QBs before Montana played such a different game that they almost need to be set aside in their own category as well.
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I think you could argue that the game has changed markedly just from montana marino to now due to rule changes amongst other things.   Joe never once passed for 4000 yards,  only hit 30 TD's once.

Now those are numbers that someone like Joe Flacco can hit.

When Marino hit 5000 yards, it was crazy, insane... like when the Babe hit 60 home runs and entire teams didn't have 60 combined.     Now 5000 yards and 48 td's would just qualify as a really great year, but not supernatural like it was in '84..  and it's maddening watching his records get cheapened by this pass happy weak corner D era.

This makes numbers hard to compare across eras... makes it hard to compare players and teams across eras.

In the same way that in the 70's Bjorn Borg and McEnroe didn't even bother with the Aussie open.. not enough money, too far to travel... if they'd known that "slam counting" was going to be how GOAT would be determined 40 years later, they probably would've played it every year.

I think when it comes to Brady he has both the stats, the titles, and the peer domination to qualify as the GOAT at his position...  I'm not sure who you could make a strong argument for to best him...

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Now take away Drew Pearson and Tony Hill and give him undrafted ex-QBs and lacrosse players from Kent State, Monmouth and Texas Tech, with his team 25 down, and see how it goes.
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as long as BB's in the deal, i'd take him. hated the pompous sumgun, but he missed his era. most complete QB i ever seen.

 
culdeus said:
If he isn't GOAT I'm not sure what he would have to do to get there.  

I put Manning and Marino on sort of an island.  Both more talented QBs on paper, but lacked big game skills.  Manning won 2 super bowls but was not really the driving reason IMO those seasons were successful, and had several epic meltdowns.  Marino just was wrong place at wrong time for most part.

Brady needs to be compared to Montana and that's probably it.  The QBs before Montana played such a different game that they almost need to be set aside in their own category as well.
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Great post.  Unless I'm forgetting a super bowl, Brady never really had a big-game epic meltdown.  That was one of the most amazing things about last night.  I'm sitting there thinking "wow, Tom Brady is getting destroyed in a Super Bowl.  I guess age is finally getting to him.

And then he goes out and sets a zillion NFL records and leads the most improbable Super Bowl comeback I've ever seen.

Unbelievable.  The comeback was so unbelievable that I still haven't processed it yet.  

That game cemented him as the best ever.  I can't think of a rational reason why he's not.

The ONLY argument people had was that in the early years he was more of a game manager-type of guy.  While that might be true, it doesn't take away from the fact that he's a total assassin and may have just completed the best season by a QB in NFL history...at age 39.

 
culdeus said:
How do you really evaluate eras its not baseball where you can control for factors like the ball or stadiums. 
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I would assume that there are advanced metrics like baseball has to remove bias in eras.

 
Here's to all the dildos who think anyone except Brady is the best ever.

You were wrong going into this game, and now you just look like wankers trying to argue against it coming out.

LOL - losers.

 
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It is hard to compare QBs across eras. That is until we get to a certain point. Forget the stats. Look at the wins. Look at the consistent excellence. Don't worry about yards thrown. Worry about championships won.

 
NCCommish said:
It is hard to compare QBs across eras. That is until we get to a certain point. Forget the stats. Look at the wins. Look at the consistent excellence. Don't worry about yards thrown. Worry about championships won.
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Meh. Championships are won by teams, not by individuals. Stats are just as, if not more, important. 

:Hot take:

 
NCCommish said:
It is hard to compare QBs across eras. That is until we get to a certain point. Forget the stats. Look at the wins. Look at the consistent excellence. Don't worry about yards thrown. Worry about championships won.
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If you put Staubach, or better yet, Dan Fouts in an offense like are used today, they'd do pretty well, I'd think.

 
Daywalker said:
Winning with cast off white wrs year in and year out has to mean something.
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To me, this is probably what separates him from the rest. It's not just the WR's, it's the entire supporting cast that rolled over many times during his career. He's done it so many different ways with so many different types of players. Much of the time, it just felt like the supporting cast just didn't matter. 

Then you throw in that he did it during the primes of so many all-time great QBs.

His run is incredibly similar to Tim Duncan's.

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Maybe I missed something but the Seahawks are being fined $400K (Carroll is being fined $200K), they're losing a week of OTA's, and they've been docked a fifth round pick.  Maybe the reason why people aren't talking about it is that the Seahawks are taking their punishment like big boys?
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All for not reporting an injury which cost Sherman zero games as a starter. Not even sure how many snaps he missed...

 
I've gotta say, if you don't think Brady is the best QB of all time then your opinion on the NFL is irrelevant. :rings: :postseasonwinlossrecords:

 
RedmondLonghorn said:
All for not reporting an injury which cost Sherman zero games as a starter. Not even sure how many snaps he missed...
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I think you and @Ramsay Hunt Experienceare mixing things up.

The punishment he listed in the post you quoted was not for any injury report issues.  That punishment was for holding illegal practices.  Here is the wording:

"Seattle was penalized for holding workouts that included excessive on-field contact, specifically a June 6, 2016, workout that included 'live contact' drills which aren't allowed under the league’s collective bargaining agreement with the NFL Players’ Association."

 
NCCommish said:
It is hard to compare QBs across eras. That is until we get to a certain point. Forget the stats. Look at the wins. Look at the consistent excellence. Don't worry about yards thrown. Worry about championships won.
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I don't compare any QB, WR from the last 25 years, the game has changed and has become so much easier.  The NFL is a joke compared to what it was.  No QB or Wr should sniff the HOF, until you bring back the rules pre 1995.  Just me but if it wasn't for FF I wouldn't even watch the crap that is the NFL.

 
Well at least we can all agree that Bill Belichek is the GOAT, I hope.

 
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