Brady versus Rodgers (1 Viewer)

[SoBeDad]

Rodgers was better in 2016 and 2014, but Brady was better in 2015 when Jordy Nelson got hurt. With a healthy Gronk, an emerging Mitchell and the addition of Cooks, Brady has a better and deeper receiving core. NE has a better O-line. Neither guy has been injured a lot, but Brady was only sacked 15 times last year, while Rodgers runs a lot more and was sacked 35 times.   

95% of experts have Rodgers over Brady, but there a decent chance that 40-year old Brady outperforms Rodgers.

 

[CabinFever]

I agree, Brady has a better defense too...I love arodgers but I think Brady has the better season assuming Gronk stays healthy and Cooks has no problem adjusting to his new team. 

 

[BobbyLayne]

Brady was listed as Probable (shoulder) for 11 straight seasons. Gotta go with the healthier, younger guy, right?

 

[need2know]

Would love either one but give me Rodgers 

 

[packer_junkie]

The receiving talent in both places is deep! Jordy, Davantae, Cobb, Allison, Bennett, Kendricks, & Montgomery is no joke.

Good point about 15 sacks for Brady & the new england d being better.

Rodgers pro would be the 20-40 yards rushing you get almost every week. 

For the price (rodgers 2, brady 3/4--- give me brady) 

Both might throw 50 tds

 

[Mavis]

I will always go Rodgers then Brady...then, 

Brees

Cam

Big Ben

Mariota

Ryan

Carr

Wilson

Winston to round out my top 10.

 

[pantherclub]

I am not saying it's this year but at some point Father Time is going to body slam Brady.  It happens to all of them.  Something to keep in the back of your mind.    And it's normally not pretty when it happens.  

 

[Shutout]

I wonder if Rodgers will rush less as he ages. Seems to be slowing down there a bit and maybe it's just coaches wanting to preserve him. 

To me, it's Rodgers if I'm looking at late season or looking for a home run game and it's Brady if I am looking to start out steady, consistent, and have a safe floor. Brady will sometimes get that huge game for you but on a given week if I have to swing for the fences, I go Rodgers. 

I think Brady has been healthier and missed less time the past 5 years or so, so again, if I'm hedging bets info that route. 

 

[Chaka]

Flip a coin, you'll be happy with the results.

For me I go with Rodgers.

Rodgers averages just over three rushing TDs per season and has only had one season without at least one rushing TD. Brady averages one rushing TD per season and has had six seasons with zero rushing TDs.

From Fantasy Index: In four of his last six seasons Rodgers has put up a combined 40 TDs, he's finished in the top two fantasy QBs in seven of nine seasons as a starter.

Bottom line is you are going to come away as a winner with either guy but I like Rodgers.

 

[matttyl]

I will always go Rodgers then Brady...then, 

Brees

Cam

Big Ben

Mariota

Ryan

Carr

Wilson

Winston to round out my top 10.

So you're assuming Luck misses.....lots of games?

 

[Mavis]

So you're assuming Luck misses.....lots of games?

Not sure how many, but I will take them over him with all the risk in the air right now. Why take Luck with that risk when all those guys can do just as good if not better? 

 

[AngryPatriot]

I wonder if Rodgers will rush less as he ages. Seems to be slowing down there a bit and maybe it's just coaches wanting to preserve him. 

To me, it's Rodgers if I'm looking at late season or looking for a home run game and it's Brady if I am looking to start out steady, consistent, and have a safe floor. Brady will sometimes get that huge game for you but on a given week if I have to swing for the fences, I go Rodgers. 

I think Brady has been healthier and missed less time the past 5 years or so, so again, if I'm hedging bets info that route. 

Agree with this.. didn't Rodgers stink for a lot of last year and then light it up...? Brady is almost always good, like 3/300. There is a good chance, imo, that Brady might put up historic numbers this year. Yes, father time is undefeated but Brady is still at the top of his game. 

 

[kutta]

I just have a feeling that Brady is going to go nuts this year. The addition of Cooks and losing Blount are both reasons to think he could throw more TD's this year. Seems to me that they will be throwing on almost every down. 

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I just have a feeling that Brady is going to go nuts this year. The addition of Cooks and losing Blount are both reasons to think he could throw more TD's this year. Seems to me that they will be throwing on almost every down. 

And in most leagues AR will go first, so it will help to know when is the right time to pull the trigger on Brady.

 

[kface]

And in most leagues AR will go first, so it will help to know when is the right time to pull the trigger on Brady.

I think AR goes nuts this year.  He's back and to me he is the most talented qb to ever play the game. Throw in the terrible NFC defenses and it's got the making of a huge season.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I think AR goes nuts this year.  He's back and to me he is the most talented qb to ever play the game. Throw in the terrible NFC defenses and it's got the making of a huge season.

I have them both in a tier above everyone else. If they are both gone I will wait until late and go with a committee.

 

[kface]

I have them both in a tier above everyone else. If they are both gone I will wait until late and go with a committee.

I agree with that.  After those two there are 10 qbs that will be bunched together.  You can pretty much wait until well into the draft and end up with a pretty solid qb.  I took luck because he fell so much and i have sinced picked up carson palmer off the waivers.  I'm actually pretty happy with Palmer

 

[PhantomJB]

There is no amount of preseason analysis that is going to separate the two. None. Two HoF QB's w/ tons of weapons and impeccable track records. In season performance will come down to matchups, luck and injuries (e.g. Gronk, o-line).

They are clearly both in a tier by themselves.

Splitting hairs like this and you'll spend all season thinking woulda, coulda, shoulda. Just pick the guy you like to watch and eliminate the stress factor.

 

[Chaka]

Wait a little bit and grab Brees.

Brady and Rodgers may be in a "tier among themselves" but the next tier consists of only Brees. Highest floor too.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I think Rodgers is the more conservative play....much higher floor.

But Brady has a ceiling that is mind boggling.  Think better than 18-1.  Much better depth.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Rodgers rushing numbers are essentially the equivalent of 8-12 extra passing TDs.  Last year it was 12.  That's a pretty major head start from a fantasy perspective.

In my 4pt pass TD league Brady actually scored 27 FEWER points in his record breaking 2007 season where he threw 50 TDs than Rodgers did last year, and that wasn't even Rodgers' best year.

 

[PhantomJB]

Rodgers rushing numbers are essentially the equivalent of 8-12 extra passing TDs.  Last year it was 12.  That's a pretty major head start from a fantasy perspective.

In my 4pt pass TD league Brady actually scored 27 FEWER points in his record breaking 2007 season where he threw 50 TDs than Rodgers did last year, and that wasn't even Rodgers' best year.

League-specific scoring does matter...in leagues that penalize for sacks Rodgers' advantage in rushing can be negated (or more) by the number of sacks he takes.

 

[Chaka]

I think everyone is getting a little carried away with the Brady 50 TDs thing.

There is not a 2007 version of Randy Moss on this team. Love the Gronk (LOVE THE GRONK!!!) but great as he is and even if he stays healthy for 16 he's still no Randy Moss. Brandin Cooks (LOVE BRANDIN COOKS!!!) isn't even Wes Welker yet. He would need to improve his catch rate by 5-10% to approach Welker and you can't say his catch rate is so much lower because of his QB either (route trees, blah, blah, blah).

Brady still has ridiculous upside but the whole "best supporting cast since 2007" thing is way overblown. Sure there is a ton of talent but 2007? Don't hold your breath.

I recommend setting expectations closer to 40 TDs, which is still ridiculous, than 50.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I think everyone is getting a little carried away with the Brady 50 TDs thing.

There is not a 2007 version of Randy Moss on this team. Love the Gronk (LOVE THE GRONK!!!) but great as he is and even if he stays healthy for 16 he's still no Randy Moss. Brandin Cooks (LOVE BRANDIN COOKS!!!) isn't even Wes Welker yet. He would need to improve his catch rate by 5-10% to approach Welker and you can't say his catch rate is so much lower because of his QB either (route trees, blah, blah, blah).

Brady still has ridiculous upside but the whole "best supporting cast since 2007" thing is way overblown. Sure there is a ton of talent but 2007? Don't hold your breath.

I recommend setting expectations closer to 40 TDs, which is still ridiculous, than 50.

I would set expectations at about 36 TDs.  

Ceiling is another matter...

 

[kutta]

I think everyone is getting a little carried away with the Brady 50 TDs thing.

There is not a 2007 version of Randy Moss on this team. Love the Gronk (LOVE THE GRONK!!!) but great as he is and even if he stays healthy for 16 he's still no Randy Moss. Brandin Cooks (LOVE BRANDIN COOKS!!!) isn't even Wes Welker yet. He would need to improve his catch rate by 5-10% to approach Welker and you can't say his catch rate is so much lower because of his QB either (route trees, blah, blah, blah).

Brady still has ridiculous upside but the whole "best supporting cast since 2007" thing is way overblown. Sure there is a ton of talent but 2007? Don't hold your breath.

I recommend setting expectations closer to 40 TDs, which is still ridiculous, than 50.

Losing Blount's 18 rushing TD's is big too.  It's like they added more passing weapons and lost rushing weapons. It just seems to be lining up for historic numbers.

 

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I'm in agreement with those saying 50TDs is a stretch, but I do feel like we are in for a big year for a variety of reasons (gronk healthy, WR depth, lots of receiving RBs, Brady in prime)

For kicks: Comparing to 2007 to 2017

WR1: Moss vs Cooks: Big advantage Moss here.... 
WR2s: Stallworth/Gaffney vs Hogan/Mitchell: Close IMO
SLOT: Welker vs Edelman: Draw

TE: Watson vs Gronkowski: Big advantage Gronk here 

"Rushing" backs: Maroney/Morris vs Gillisslee/Burkhead : Tough call here... talent-wise I lean 2017 crew. 
"Receiving" Backs: Faulk vs Lewis/White: Faulk was the prototype, but he only produced 47/383/1 that year. Advantage Lewis/White

This is closer than it would seem... does the fleshing out of receiving talent (even in backfield) while losing Blount mean a transition to a more pass-heavy gameplan? Tough to say. 

I DO feel like they have the firepower if they wanted to make a run at 5500/50 to help cement Brady's GOAT status, they could do it, but we also know that Belichick has "personal accomplishments" so far below "winning" it's hard to imagine that sort of campaign taking place. 



 

 

[Chaka]

Losing Blount's 18 rushing TD's is big too.  It's like they added more passing weapons and lost rushing weapons. It just seems to be lining up for historic numbers.

The Pats score rushing TDs in droves every year regardless of who is the primary ball carrier.

From 2016 back to the historic 2007 they have rushed for 19, 14, 13, 19, 25, 18, 19, 19, 21 & 17 TDs.  I don't see that changing this year just because Blount is gone.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Losing Blount's 18 rushing TD's is big too.  It's like they added more passing weapons and lost rushing weapons. It just seems to be lining up for historic numbers.

I don't think there's really anything special about Blount other than he was the guy who got those carries.  I think just about anyone could have plodded along at 3.9ypc with 6000 goaline carries to get to 18 TDs last year.

Blount converted his goaline carries last year at the same rate as Latavius Murray, Ryan Mathews, Jonathan Stewart, and Rob Kelley.  He didn't do anything special other than receive more attempts down there because he played for the Patriots.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I'm in agreement with those saying 50TDs is a stretch, but I do feel like we are in for a big year for a variety of reasons (gronk healthy, WR depth, lots of receiving RBs, Brady in prime)

For kicks: Comparing to 2007 to 2017

WR1: Moss vs Cooks: Big advantage Moss here.... 
WR2s: Stallworth/Gaffney vs Hogan/Mitchell: Close IMO
SLOT: Welker vs Edelman: Draw

TE: Watson vs Gronkowski: Big advantage Gronk here 

"Rushing" backs: Maroney/Morris vs Gillisslee/Burkhead : Tough call here... talent-wise I lean 2017 crew. 
"Receiving" Backs: Faulk vs Lewis/White: Faulk was the prototype, but he only produced 47/383/1 that year. Advantage Lewis/White

This is closer than it would seem... does the fleshing out of receiving talent (even in backfield) while losing Blount mean a transition to a more pass-heavy gameplan? Tough to say. 

I DO feel like they have the firepower if they wanted to make a run at 5500/50 to help cement Brady's GOAT status, they could do it, but we also know that Belichick has "personal accomplishments" so far below "winning" it's hard to imagine that sort of campaign taking place. 

 

Of course even when he threw 50 TDs that year he scored 353 fantasy points (4pt per pass TD).  Rodgers scored 380 points last year.  Even with 6 point pass TDs it's 453 vs. 460.  The rushing delta is just a huge headstart for Rodgers to overcome.

 

[ldizzle]

I don't think the Pats try and run up the score this year like they did when they had Moss. Keep Brady healthy is the goal. That being said, I'm not confident in the run game in GB and I am confident in the one in NE. I give the edge to Rodgers.

 

[LordHusker]

The reality is that 40 years old is 40 years old. If Brady manages to match his age with his TD total, I will be amazed. Things drop off fast when it happens.

Perhaps Floyd Mayweather will find this out tomorrow night.

 

[cloppbeast]

I'm thinking Brees is closer to Brady than Brady is to Rodgers.