Brandin Cooks is... Employed by Jerry!??? (1 Viewer)

[BigTex]

I recall Cooks beating a few monster stats owned by the great Randy Moss while he was in NE when some on this very board said he wouldn’t/couldn’t. This guy is very talented and I’m glad to see him leave a go to a place in which he’ll likely be at minimum more consistent and receive more targets.

As a dynasty owner this is GREAT NEWS!!! 

Tex

 

[Buckna]

IMO, the Pats were in the market for a QB based on the options that fell to them. I thought they would take someone with one of their second round picks.

I don't see the Pats investing much more in draft capital then what they got back for Jimmy G. I don't see them packaging their two first round picks and two second round picks to jump into the top 5. That would be extremely un-Patriot like.

I would agree, they need a QB heir, but they also need a LT, a corner, etc. These extra picks in the 1st & 2nd will let them move around, find value where they can and add pieces that help them win now and still allow them to grab a QB prospect they would like. I could easily see them package one of those 1sts to move up a modest number of spots for a LT or QB and the other 1st to move back and get even more picks in the 2nd and/or into 2019 again.

One thing we can probably say for sure is that they aren't done making moves, everyone should expect them to be moving around quite a bit 3 weeks from now.

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

IMO, the Pats were in the market for a QB based on the options that fell to them. I thought they would take someone with one of their second round picks.

I don't see the Pats investing much more in draft capital then what they got back for Jimmy G. I don't see them packaging their two first round picks and two second round picks to jump into the top 5. That would be extremely un-Patriot like.

Agreed. No way they will do that. 0% chance. Taking a QB with one of those late firsts is possible but no way they move up into the top 5 for a mediocre (imo) QB. 

 

[bostonfred]

What kind of intermediate routes are you referencing that Cooks isn't great at?

One of the highlights I have seen about 4 times today is what I would call an intermediate route where he catches the ball in stride at about 15 yards from the LOS and runs the ball across field after the catch for a big play.

If intermediate means throws that are 10-20 yards down the field I do think that was one and there are many others.

I did see a stat that Cooks is in the top 3 for scores that were thrown over 20 yards over the last 3 seasons, so that would be a deep throw.

Are there certain routes in the Patriots offense that Amedola is better at than Cooks?

Like I said earlier, i don't think he's incapable of running intermediate stuff across the middle, but I don't think he's adept at consistently adjusting the way he's supposed to and avoiding getting disrupted. That's more important in the patriots offense than other systems and I think he might have more success elsewhere, while a guy like Edelman who isn't necessarily as "talented" does a better job getting where he's supposed to be.

 

[Ack88]

I recall Cooks beating a few monster stats owned by the great Randy Moss while he was in NE when some on this very board said he wouldn’t/couldn’t. This guy is very talented and I’m glad to see him leave a go to a place in which he’ll likely be at minimum more consistent and receive more targets.

As a dynasty owner this is GREAT NEWS!!! 

Tex

I don't agree: I see this as a lateral move with Cooks ending up around the same spot as last year 70/1100/7- certainly solid. The Ram offense runs through Gurley, both on the ground and through the air, Woods and Cupp have established roles, and I'm not sure how this translates into an expanded role for Cooks. 

I'd be interested in hearing why you think Cooks will see more targets.

 

[Milkman]

I don't agree: I see this as a lateral move with Cooks ending up around the same spot as last year 70/1100/7- certainly solid. The Ram offense runs through Gurley, both on the ground and through the air, Woods and Cupp have established roles, and I'm not sure how this translates into an expanded role for Cooks. 

I'd be interested in hearing why you think Cooks will see more targets.

He's the most talented receiver on the team. They are going to pay him 15+ million a year. He'll get 110+ targets or he's a huge waste of money. 

 

[Ack88]

He's the most talented receiver on the team. They are going to pay him 15+ million a year. He'll get 110+ targets or he's a huge waste of money. 

I completely agree. He is exponentially more talented than either Cupp or Woods and can run every route in the tree with decisiveness and explosiveness. IF he gets the volume, than I have no questions regarding his ability to produce massive numbers.

What is of concern from a fantasy lens is opportunity- they will pay him, but will they use him in a manner different than Watkins? To me, that is the great unknown and why I hesitate to predict a precipitous increase in volume next year.

 

[Milkman]

Meh i believe in the talent. He was so close to a monster year last year. He'll carve out a role. 

 

[jtd13]

I am a fan of Cooks' talent. Still not sure about the landing spot. I keep seeing Watkins' numbers referenced as a baseline, but I think DeSean Jackson's numbers with McVay are a better baseline than what Sammy did after arriving 3 weeks prior to week 1. 

DJax under McVay (per 16 games): 98 targets, 57 receptions, 1081 yards, 6 TDs

Kinda funny, those look pretty close to Cooks' last 3 seasons. I'll just go ahead and call this a lateral move 

 

[barackdhouse]

Better change your odds. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bill-belichick-and-the-patriots-are-now-firmly-in-the-market-for-a-qb-in-the-2018-nfl-draft/

Teams are usually pretty upfront and honest about their draft plans, aren't they? It just sort of plays out like a formality, doesn't it? 

Just being snarky. I don't see the Pats moving up any further than perhaps the teens. On draft day if a QB they liked were to slip. I could see that. 

They'd be crazy not to do due dilligence. And to say out loud yes we like so and so. Doesn't mean a ton.

 

[Biabreakable]

Like I said earlier, i don't think he's incapable of running intermediate stuff across the middle, but I don't think he's adept at consistently adjusting the way he's supposed to and avoiding getting disrupted. That's more important in the patriots offense than other systems and I think he might have more success elsewhere, while a guy like Edelman who isn't necessarily as "talented" does a better job getting where he's supposed to be.

Ok.

I wouldn't sell Edelman short on talent. He is obviously gifted and in some ways measurably better than Cooks in drills like the 3 cone drill and matches Cooks speed in the 20 yard shuttle. He is also a perfect fit with Brady and the Patriots offense, perhaps a better version of Wes Welker although I think Edelman has been injured more than Welker. Cooks and Edelman actually share many of the same comparable player profiles on mockdraftable.

I am thinking that a majority of the targets Edelman when healthy is executing are short passes within 10 yards than intermediate ones though.

Maybe Cooks timing on these routes would have improved with another season with the Patriots, when I looked at this recently WR did show some improvement in their 2nd season with a team after joining as a free agent or through a trade. We will never know now. The Patriots were trying to sign him to a long term deal reportedly, but Cooks wanted more money than they were willing to pay, thus the trade.

I dunno if Goff is good enough to unlock Cooks potential. I don't think he is as good as Brady or Brees and the Rams didn't pass nearly as much as these QBs do either. So from that perspective I see it as a downgrade for Cooks. I guess we will see. McVay may have some specific plans for him as they were trying to trade for Cooks last year, they just couldn't offer more for him than the Patriots did.

 

[need2know]

Pretty sure the only reason ne traded him is cause they wouldn't pay him.  Same old cheap ### new england

 

[jeaton6]

He's the most talented receiver on the team. They are going to pay him 15+ million a year. He'll get 110+ targets or he's a huge waste of money. 

Yep and he will have a ton of leverage in the negotiation given what they just sunk into him. He will get  at least 125 targets. Book it. Goff will throw ~560 passes. Cooks 135,  Kupp, 125, Woods 95, Gurley 70, TE’s 70, Other 65. 

 

[Milkman]

Yep and he will have a ton of leverage in the negotiation given what they just sunk into him. He will get  at least 125 targets. Book it. Goff will throw ~560 passes. Cooks 135,  Kupp, 125, Woods 95, Gurley 70, TE’s 70, Other 65. 

Woods will lead them in targets, Cooks will have the most yards, and Kupp's the big loser in all this imo. 

Woods - 135

Cooks - 120

Kupp - 85

 

[Jello_Biafra]

If they traded for OBJ instead, would people say he's only going to fill the Watkins 70 target role?

 

[Gandalf]

Yep and he will have a ton of leverage in the negotiation given what they just sunk into him. He will get  at least 125 targets. Book it. Goff will throw ~560 passes. Cooks 135,  Kupp, 125, Woods 95, Gurley 70, TE’s 70, Other 65. 

Yeah this hurts Woods value a lot I think

 

[Milkman]

Yeah this hurts Woods value a lot I think

Disagree. Hurts Kupp. Woods was lights out last year. He's getting he's same per game target share.  

 

[Concept Coop]

If they traded for OBJ instead, would people say he's only going to fill the Watkins 70 target role?

Of course not.  But I'm not sure what that has to do with Cooks, who is clearly no OBJ.

We'll see how it turns out; I could see it going either way.  But that the Rams used Sammy the way they did has to a somewhat concerning variable, at least.

 

[jtd13]

Disagree. Hurts Kupp. Woods was lights out last year. He's getting he's same per game target share.  

I think we can all agree it isn't going to help my 2nd year TE breakout sleeper. 

 

[Jello_Biafra]

Of course not.  But I'm not sure what that has to do with Cooks, who is clearly no OBJ.

We'll see how it turns out; I could see it going either way.  But that the Rams used Sammy the way they did has to a somewhat concerning variable, at least.

The action of trying to get OBJ shows that they were in the market for a WR1. The price was too high, so they went with Cooks to fill that role, at a cheaper price.

 

[JPeso]

Cooks hurts both Woods and Kupp, not nearly as much upside for two lower-upside players as it is. Cooks is the horse and there isn’t a chance, barring injury, Goff looks either Woods/Kupp’s way over Cooks. I see his last year stats as a nice reasonable floor with upside for more.

Low - 200 PPR - 70/1000/6

Mid - 230 PPR - 77/1100/8

High - 265 PPR - 85/1200/10

My guess is he probably falls between the low and high, let’s say 230 PPR. I’m expecting more than what we saw in NE. 

 

[Concept Coop]

The action of trying to get OBJ shows that they were in the market for a WR1. The price was too high, so they went with Cooks to fill that role, at a cheaper price.

My counter would be that they were in the market for a WR1 when the traded for Sammy too.  They were trying to trade for Cooks before that.

I think it's safe to say they value Cooks more.  But I'm still thinking the landing spot is a bit of a wildcard.  

 

[Jello_Biafra]

My counter would be that they were in the market for a WR1 when the traded for Sammy too.  They were trying to trade for Cooks before that.

I think it's safe to say they value Cooks more.  But I'm still thinking the landing spot is a bit of a wildcard.  

I agree with this. Doesn't really take away from my point, but it is true that Cooks is no guarantee of a true WR1.

 

[FantasyMC]

Thoughts on this under the radar, quiet yearly 1k yard receiver who can be a serviceable later round WR2/3 on a pretty good Cowboys offense?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Thoughts on this under the radar, quiet yearly 1k yard receiver who can be a serviceable later round WR2/3 on a pretty good Cowboys offense?

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GLA who are drafting this week

 

[CalBear]

Cooks hurts both Woods and Kupp, not nearly as much upside for two lower-upside players as it is. Cooks is the horse and there isn’t a chance, barring injury, Goff looks either Woods/Kupp’s way over Cooks. I see his last year stats as a nice reasonable floor with upside for more.

Low - 200 PPR - 70/1000/6

Mid - 230 PPR - 77/1100/8

High - 265 PPR - 85/1200/10

My guess is he probably falls between the low and high, let’s say 230 PPR. I’m expecting more than what we saw in NE.

Not to mock JPeso, but pointing out that our concepts of "upside" are based on not a whole lot. Kupp was viewed as low-upside by at least some people (and probably a lot of people) just before he had one of the biggest WR seasons of all time.