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Brandon Jackson drawing praise in camp (1 Viewer)

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The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel suggests that Brandon Jackson has been so good this offseason that when Ryan Grant ends his holdout the two "will share the starting position."

This seems over dramatic, but if Jackson shows well in the preseason he'll be hard to keep off the field, be it as a pace change or committee member. Jackson wasn't ready as a rookie, but does not lack the physical tools. See how he performs in games before taking him seriously, though.

hmmm, beginning to think I shouldn't try and trade this guy for Chester Taylor. Is there any possibility that Grant works himself out of a starting job?

 
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=778265

In the meantime, Grant’s starting job is secure but backup Brandon Jackson is more than keeping it warm, and with every carry he has received in training camp he has made a case for getting the ball. When Grant returns, Jackson might be entrenched far enough that the two will share the starting position.
They suggested only that he might be entrenched far enough to share it...This is why parsing quotes and leaving out context is not wise.

 
I wouldn't be shocked to see BJax win the starting job by the end of the season. He's definitely more talented than Grant, and improved dramatically over the course of last season.

 
I wouldn't be shocked to see BJax win the starting job by the end of the season. He's definitely more talented than Grant, and improved dramatically over the course of last season.
What makes you think he is "definitely more talented than Grant"?Please don't give me draft position or what the two did in college.
 
I have been thinking about this for a while. grant is going in the 2nd round in every drat, and considering all the changes (no Favre, BJ doing well), I think he is overvalued. Honestly, his numbers are not THAT much better than Gado's when he came in to save the day a few seasons ago and all that he got for his efforts was a ticket out of town.

 
I wouldn't be shocked to see BJax win the starting job by the end of the season. He's definitely more talented than Grant, and improved dramatically over the course of last season.
I couldn't disagree more. If there's anything Grant has it's talent. He's even still a bit raw, and that's the main reason he was so long as a developmental player in the NFL.I see Brandon Jackson getting on the field a bit, primarily as 3rd down RB, and at times in passing situations, as he has better hands than Grant.

He is a decent FF and NFL backup this season.

 
I wouldn't be shocked to see BJax win the starting job by the end of the season. He's definitely more talented than Grant, and improved dramatically over the course of last season.
What makes you think he is "definitely more talented than Grant"?
I'm curious about that too. Nothing I saw last season leads me to believe Jackson is more talented. In fact, I'd argue he isn't anywhere close to Grant in terms of ability based on what we saw last season. Hopefully Jackson has improved but I think he'll need to take some giant steps forward and/or Grant will need to bust in order to make a serious challenge for the starting job.
 
The consensus amongst draft pundits entering the 2007 draft was that Brandon Jackson was very raw and would need time to polish his skills. Some in the FF community looked beyond that because of the favorable situation he was in during last year's camp.

I'm sure we'll continue to hear more stories about Jackson and his improvement. Most will be valid, and some of it may be to help get a deal done with Grant. Either way, I think the scouts nailed this one as the consensus appears to be holding true.

 
The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel suggests that Brandon Jackson has been so good this offseason that when Ryan Grant ends his holdout the two "will share the starting position."

This seems over dramatic, but if Jackson shows well in the preseason he'll be hard to keep off the field, be it as a pace change or committee member. Jackson wasn't ready as a rookie, but does not lack the physical tools. See how he performs in games before taking him seriously, though.

hmmm, beginning to think I shouldn't try and trade this guy for Chester Taylor. Is there any possibility that Grant works himself out of a starting job?
You've mis-represented the article. This is the direct quote:"In the meantime, Grant’s starting job is secure but backup Brandon Jackson is more than keeping it warm, and with every carry he has received in training camp he has made a case for getting the ball. When Grant returns, Jackson might be entrenched far enough that the two will share the starting position"

MIGHT. As in, if he keeps it up he MIGHT have a share. Camp has gone on for what, a little over a week? It takes more than a week of camp to earn a starting position.

I agree, this does not bode well for Ryan Grant, and it may keep me away as you may see more of a RBBC approach with Grant and Jackson- and even Wynn if Wynn can get his legs under him some more. Grant needs to end his hold out, but at the same time GB needs to offer him something fair. 2 million dollar signing bonus when you just gave BRADY POPPINGA a 4 million dollar signing bonus... that's like a slap in the face. I would be satisfied paying Grant 600,000 this season with a 5 million dollar signing bonus and a 3 year deal that in his third year will pay him roughly 2 million. Seems fair to me.

This is where GB misses Andrew Brandt

 
The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel suggests that Brandon Jackson has been so good this offseason that when Ryan Grant ends his holdout the two "will share the starting position."

This seems over dramatic, but if Jackson shows well in the preseason he'll be hard to keep off the field, be it as a pace change or committee member. Jackson wasn't ready as a rookie, but does not lack the physical tools. See how he performs in games before taking him seriously, though.

hmmm, beginning to think I shouldn't try and trade this guy for Chester Taylor. Is there any possibility that Grant works himself out of a starting job?
You've mis-represented the article. This is the direct quote:"In the meantime, Grant’s starting job is secure but backup Brandon Jackson is more than keeping it warm, and with every carry he has received in training camp he has made a case for getting the ball. When Grant returns, Jackson might be entrenched far enough that the two will share the starting position"

MIGHT. As in, if he keeps it up he MIGHT have a share. Camp has gone on for what, a little over a week? It takes more than a week of camp to earn a starting position.

I agree, this does not bode well for Ryan Grant, and it may keep me away as you may see more of a RBBC approach with Grant and Jackson- and even Wynn if Wynn can get his legs under him some more. Grant needs to end his hold out, but at the same time GB needs to offer him something fair. 2 million dollar signing bonus when you just gave BRADY POPPINGA a 4 million dollar signing bonus... that's like a slap in the face. I would be satisfied paying Grant 600,000 this season with a 5 million dollar signing bonus and a 3 year deal that in his third year will pay him roughly 2 million. Seems fair to me.

This is where GB misses Andrew Brandt
But who is saying, "might?" Is it the writer or the coaching staff? I see this as just supposition by the writer. and even if the team said this I would see this as a means to gain leverage in the negotiations with Grant....
 
Of course he's getting praise in camp...how else do you reduce Grant's leverage? I understand holdouts, but I think Grant needs to lace them up for more than half a season before he pulls such a stunt. If GB was smart they'd sit him down and promise an executed deal by midseason based on his continued level of performance, similar to Romo in Big D.

 
I'll believe a report like this when the two are running side by side. Right now, the team would be more than willing to float these quotes in hopes to pressure Grant into signing Thompson's ridiculous deal.

 
I have been thinking about this for a while. grant is going in the 2nd round in every drat, and considering all the changes (no Favre, BJ doing well), I think he is overvalued. Honestly, his numbers are not THAT much better than Gado's when he came in to save the day a few seasons ago and all that he got for his efforts was a ticket out of town.
Godo averaged 4.1 yards per carry, Grant averaged 5.1 yards per carry. If you think that is close you are right.
 
The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel suggests that Brandon Jackson has been so good this offseason that when Ryan Grant ends his holdout the two "will share the starting position."

This seems over dramatic, but if Jackson shows well in the preseason he'll be hard to keep off the field, be it as a pace change or committee member. Jackson wasn't ready as a rookie, but does not lack the physical tools. See how he performs in games before taking him seriously, though.

hmmm, beginning to think I shouldn't try and trade this guy for Chester Taylor. Is there any possibility that Grant works himself out of a starting job?
You've mis-represented the article. This is the direct quote:"In the meantime, Grant’s starting job is secure but backup Brandon Jackson is more than keeping it warm, and with every carry he has received in training camp he has made a case for getting the ball. When Grant returns, Jackson might be entrenched far enough that the two will share the starting position"

MIGHT. As in, if he keeps it up he MIGHT have a share. Camp has gone on for what, a little over a week? It takes more than a week of camp to earn a starting position.

I agree, this does not bode well for Ryan Grant, and it may keep me away as you may see more of a RBBC approach with Grant and Jackson- and even Wynn if Wynn can get his legs under him some more. Grant needs to end his hold out, but at the same time GB needs to offer him something fair. 2 million dollar signing bonus when you just gave BRADY POPPINGA a 4 million dollar signing bonus... that's like a slap in the face. I would be satisfied paying Grant 600,000 this season with a 5 million dollar signing bonus and a 3 year deal that in his third year will pay him roughly 2 million. Seems fair to me.

This is where GB misses Andrew Brandt
But who is saying, "might?" Is it the writer or the coaching staff? I see this as just supposition by the writer. and even if the team said this I would see this as a means to gain leverage in the negotiations with Grant....
:shrug:
 
I wouldn't be shocked to see BJax win the starting job by the end of the season. He's definitely more talented than Grant, and improved dramatically over the course of last season.
:goodposting: Love to see your logic behind either one of these claims. Waits for the "Did you see how great he did in that meaningless game in the last week of the season vs the superpower detroit lions?"
 
More praise for BJax from Edgar Bennett. This seems like legit praise and not just coachspeak, imo.

Published Thursday    July 31, 2008

NFL: Former Husker Jackson blasts off in Packers' camp

BY TOM SILVERSTEIN

MILWAUKEE JOURNAL SENTINEL

GREEN BAY, Wis. - The similarity between Brett Favre and Ryan Grant is that both want to attend the Packers' training camp.

The difference is that when Grant finally comes in, he'll be a starter.

Seeking a long-term deal from the Packers, the running back remains at home without a contract, waiting for negotiations to kick into gear so he can move his workouts from his New Jersey home to Clarke Hinkle Field. The sides remain far apart on a deal, and it could be weeks before Grant is in camp.

Grant's starting job seems to be secure, but backup Brandon Jackson has been impressive. With every carry the former Nebraska player has received in training camp, he has made a case for getting the ball. When Grant returns, Jackson might be entrenched far enough that the two will share the starting position.

"As far as everything we thought this kid was capable of being and doing, we're starting to see more of that," running backs coach Edgar Bennett said. "We saw that last year, but now you're seeing it more on a consistent basis. The sky's the limit for him. I'm not going to say it just to say it. I mean it."

What happens to Jackson will depend some on when Grant arrives and how quickly he can assimilate himself back into the offense. The one thing going for Grant is that he had a half-season as a starter and developed a good feel for what the Packers try to get done in the running game.

Grant still has a ways to go to be a polished runner and receiver, so there's no question he's suffering from being away from training camp. Bennett said he and Grant talked often, never about the contract situation but just about what's going on in training camp.

"We kind of leave the business side of it out," Bennett said. "It's more making sure that we're still in our book going over assignments. He's doing a fantastic job as far as staying in shape, working out. Actually, he works out on our schedule. He has the schedule so that when we're on the field he's working out, he's running routes and working with his trainers."

Bennett doesn't seem to be too concerned about Grant's absence, given it's just the first week of training camp. At some point, he'll start to fall behind and might lose ground to Jackson, the 2007 second-round pick who began the season as a starter last year.

Jackson, who came out of Nebraska as a junior, didn't make the transition to the pro game very well. He spent a month as the starter but suffered an injured shin and missed the next four games, giving up his starting job to DeShawn Wynn and then Grant.

It wasn't until the end of the season that he started to show himself. He rushed for 113 yards in 20 carries against Detroit and then had 34 yards in eight carries and caught a 13-yard touchdown pass in the Seattle playoff game.

During the offseason, Jackson hit the weight room and put on eight pounds of muscle to help him deal with the wear and tear of the National Football League. At just 22 years old, he's still learning the ins and outs of the game, but he's light years away from where he was at this time last year, when he was forced into the starting role because of injuries.

Referring to Jackson's tough rookie year, Bennett said: "He benefited from that, learning from those examples. It won't get any more difficult than when he first got here.

"You look at him now, when he stepped out on the practice field you could see his confidence level."

As far as practice repetitions go, Jackson is getting the starter's portion, although Bennett sometimes rotates veteran Vernand Morency into that spot. Wynn, a second-year pro, remains third along with Noah Herron and rookie free agent Kregg Lumpkin. All of them are getting more snaps than they normally would because of Grant's absence.

Wynn got his act together in the offseason after a disappointing rookie year and firmed up his body, going from 232 pounds to 238. He probably has the best feet of any of the backs on the roster. With his size, Wynn could be a punishing runner.

But until he shows the maturity necessary to play in the NFL, he'll be a tease.

"He looks good," Bennett said. "He did a fantastic job this offseason. He put in a lot of time and got his body right. He's in a good situation, and now he has to take advantage of this opportunity."
http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1200...;u_sid=10395041
 
I wouldn't be shocked to see BJax win the starting job by the end of the season. He's definitely more talented than Grant, and improved dramatically over the course of last season.
What makes you think he is "definitely more talented than Grant"?Please don't give me draft position or what the two did in college.
BJax has better vision, better hands, better cutting ability, and is a better blocker. Overall, he's a much more natural runner than Grant, imo.Grant has a really good burst and is a more power though.
 
I wouldn't be shocked to see BJax win the starting job by the end of the season. He's definitely more talented than Grant, and improved dramatically over the course of last season.
What makes you think he is "definitely more talented than Grant"?Please don't give me draft position or what the two did in college.
BJax has better vision, better hands, better cutting ability, and is a better blocker. Overall, he's a much more natural runner than Grant, imo.Grant has a really good burst and is a more power though.
I agree on better hands.I have yet to see the better vision or cutting ability.In fact, that is where Grant killed Jackson last year.Jackson was tentative and kept waiting for a hole to open up. Whereas Grant saw any opening and immediately cut to hit it. And his cut backs were very good.Not sure on blocking...Jackson's biggest knock last preseason was that he was sucking hind teet as a blocker.
 
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packers are angle shooting.... They have plenty of people working the media on the favre issue... It would seem that the packers have incentive to devalue Grant considering they are in a fight over a long term contract they don't want to pay....

Grant >>> Jackson but the pack have big time issues overvaluing their backups capabilities.

smoke and mirrors.

 
I wouldn't be shocked to see BJax win the starting job by the end of the season. He's definitely more talented than Grant, and improved dramatically over the course of last season.
What makes you think he is "definitely more talented than Grant"?Please don't give me draft position or what the two did in college.
BJax has better vision, better hands, better cutting ability, and is a better blocker. Overall, he's a much more natural runner than Grant, imo.Grant has a really good burst and is a more power though.
I agree on better hands.I have yet to see the better vision or cutting ability.

In fact, that is where Grant killed Jackson last year.

Jackson was tentative and kept waiting for a hole to open up. Whereas Grant saw any opening and immediately cut to hit it. And his cut backs were very good.Not sure on blocking...Jackson's biggest knock last preseason was that he was sucking hind teet as a blocker.
First, BJax definitely wasn't ready to take over the starting rb job at the beginning of last season.Second, there were no holes opening up for BJax the first 4 games because the oline had not gelled yet.

When Grant was going off in the 2nd half of last season the oline was opening nice holes for him. The same type of holes they opened for BJax when he rushed for 100+ yards in the season finale.

Btw, Grant looked just as bad in the NFCCG as BJax did early in the season, because the oline wasn't opening up running lanes for him against the Giants defense.

I think Grant is one of the most overvalued players this season. No way he's worth 1st or 2nd round pick. He's a good north-south runner, but he is nothing special.

 
The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel suggests that Brandon Jackson has been so good this offseason that when Ryan Grant ends his holdout the two "will share the starting position."This seems over dramatic, but if Jackson shows well in the preseason he'll be hard to keep off the field, be it as a pace change or committee member. Jackson wasn't ready as a rookie, but does not lack the physical tools. See how he performs in games before taking him seriously, though.hmmm, beginning to think I shouldn't try and trade this guy for Chester Taylor. Is there any possibility that Grant works himself out of a starting job?
obviously a plot to motivate ....Grant.once he reports to camp,he's the starter..Jackson is a second-rate RB, Grant proved his worth down the stretch of the 2007 season..
 
I think Brandon Jackson doing well is actually good news for Ryan Grant owners.

For one, that means the offensive line is playing well. When a lesser running back is able to play well, that means the offensive line is kicking some butt and opening up holes.

Secondly, do you want Brandon Jackson doing poorly, giving Grant more leverage in this situation....possibly prolonging this holdout.

No, you want the pressure on Grant to get into camp. Grant is a better back and is the starter and because Jackson had a good day in practice is nice but it's just news to get Grant to sweat a little bit and think about what he's doing.

 
I wouldn't be shocked to see BJax win the starting job by the end of the season. He's definitely more talented than Grant,
Yeah I noticed that last year. :thumbup: Classic example of why pre-season hype should be taken with a very large grain of salt. Please let people be stupid enough to draft Jackson while Grant slides down the board.
 
I'm honestly amazed at how far down the majority of folks are on Jackson. He's done nothing but exactly what he was predicted to do when he was drafted.

Meanwhile, folks are sky high on Grant, who's only started , what, 7,8 games?

IMHO, Grant is solid, but currently over-rated based on a limited resume'. Meanwhile, Jackson is being largely ignored and unfairly maligned. BJ is an absolute steal ATM.

 
I wouldn't be shocked to see BJax win the starting job by the end of the season. He's definitely more talented than Grant,
Yeah I noticed that last year. :cry: Classic example of why pre-season hype should be taken with a very large grain of salt. Please let people be stupid enough to draft Jackson while Grant slides down the board.
:lmao:I'm not advocating drafting BJax before Grant. I'm not even saying it's likely that BJax will win the starting job over Grant by the end of the season. I'm simply saying that if that were to happen it wouldn't exactly be shocking. If Grant is going to be that much better than BJax this season and beyond, then why is Ted Thompson lowballing him hardcore?
 
I wouldn't be shocked to see BJax win the starting job by the end of the season. He's definitely more talented than Grant,
Yeah I noticed that last year. :cry: Classic example of why pre-season hype should be taken with a very large grain of salt. Please let people be stupid enough to draft Jackson while Grant slides down the board.
Obviously, Grant is still ahead of Jackson, especially in redraft.....but the gap shouldn't be anywhere near as large as it currently is.
 
I wouldn't be shocked to see BJax win the starting job by the end of the season. He's definitely more talented than Grant,
Yeah I noticed that last year. :popcorn: Classic example of why pre-season hype should be taken with a very large grain of salt. Please let people be stupid enough to draft Jackson while Grant slides down the board.
Obviously, Grant is still ahead of Jackson, especially in redraft.....but the gap shouldn't be anywhere near as large as it currently is.
Well put.I think people are confusing what the Brandon Jackson side is saying.

I know i posted in another thread a few months ago about things i heard from inside sources and Bob Harris also posted in that thread hearing the same things about Brandon's progress.

The Packers coaches support of Jackson has 0 to do with Ryan Grant, the've been raving about him and his improvement since late last year.

 
Dexter Manley said:
I wouldn't be shocked to see BJax win the starting job by the end of the season. He's definitely more talented than Grant, and improved dramatically over the course of last season.
What makes you think he is "definitely more talented than Grant"?Please don't give me draft position or what the two did in college.
BJax has better vision, better hands, better cutting ability, and is a better blocker. Overall, he's a much more natural runner than Grant, imo.Grant has a really good burst and is a more power though.
Um, no. If BJax were better at all of these things he would be the starter. A guy can be a natural runner but when he puts on the pads he becomes an oaf. BJax is that guy. But I guess you gotta say something to not feel bad about that wasted pick on Bjax and missing out on Grant on the WW last year. Am I close here? Come on, tell the truth and not some BS about not owning either one last year....
 
I wouldn't be shocked to see BJax win the starting job by the end of the season. He's definitely more talented than Grant,
Yeah I noticed that last year. :lmao: Classic example of why pre-season hype should be taken with a very large grain of salt. Please let people be stupid enough to draft Jackson while Grant slides down the board.
Obviously, Grant is still ahead of Jackson, especially in redraft.....but the gap shouldn't be anywhere near as large as it currently is.
I agree with this. All the backs had their moments last year, and the longer Grant stays out of camp, the better the chances are for someone to grab an opportunity./deshawnnwynnowner/

 
Um, no. If BJax were better at all of these things he would be the starter.
There is no doubt that Grant was better then Jackson LAST year. Jackson came in as raw as any RB drafted in 07'.Grant probably is still better then Jackson in most areas, but i'm not convinced of that enough to think he's worth drafting in the 2nd when i can get Jackson much much later.
 
Dexter Manley said:
I wouldn't be shocked to see BJax win the starting job by the end of the season. He's definitely more talented than Grant, and improved dramatically over the course of last season.
What makes you think he is "definitely more talented than Grant"?Please don't give me draft position or what the two did in college.
BJax has better vision, better hands, better cutting ability, and is a better blocker. Overall, he's a much more natural runner than Grant, imo.Grant has a really good burst and is a more power though.
Um, no. If BJax were better at all of these things he would be the starter. A guy can be a natural runner but when he puts on the pads he becomes an oaf. BJax is that guy. But I guess you gotta say something to not feel bad about that wasted pick on Bjax and missing out on Grant on the WW last year. Am I close here? Come on, tell the truth and not some BS about not owning either one last year....
Lol no. I'm completely objective when it comes to my opinions, projections, etc. Btw, I had Grant in 2 leagues last year. Grant is a reach in the 2nd round this year.
 
Dexter Manley said:
I wouldn't be shocked to see BJax win the starting job by the end of the season. He's definitely more talented than Grant, and improved dramatically over the course of last season.
What makes you think he is "definitely more talented than Grant"?Please don't give me draft position or what the two did in college.
BJax has better vision, better hands, better cutting ability, and is a better blocker. Overall, he's a much more natural runner than Grant, imo.Grant has a really good burst and is a more power though.
Um, no. If BJax were better at all of these things he would be the starter. A guy can be a natural runner but when he puts on the pads he becomes an oaf. BJax is that guy. But I guess you gotta say something to not feel bad about that wasted pick on Bjax and missing out on Grant on the WW last year. Am I close here? Come on, tell the truth and not some BS about not owning either one last year....
Lol no. I'm completely objective when it comes to my opinions, projections, etc. Btw, I had Grant in 2 leagues last year. Grant is a reach in the 2nd round this year.
I'm gonna go with a couple things here to say that you are not at all objective with this. First, NFL coaches don't remain NFL coaches if they let the better player ride the bench. These guys get paid to evaluate talent and win games. I'm gonna go with their opinion. Despite what they are saying in the media, their opinion at this point is probably more than a little biased. Their opinion last year during the season when they had no other motivation other than winning put in the better player. My second reason for saying you are not at all objective here is that BJax did not get it done on the field. Did not show any merit to his draft location. He was JJ Arrington 2.0. And I gotta call BS that you never owned BJax last year. I just don't believe it....
 
I think Brandon Jackson doing well is actually good news for Ryan Grant owners.

For one, that means the offensive line is playing well. When a lesser running back is able to play well, that means the offensive line is kicking some butt and opening up holes.

Secondly, do you want Brandon Jackson doing poorly, giving Grant more leverage in this situation....possibly prolonging this holdout.

No, you want the pressure on Grant to get into camp. Grant is a better back and is the starter and because Jackson had a good day in practice is nice but it's just news to get Grant to sweat a little bit and think about what he's doing.
Yepper......this sums it up pretty well!!!
 
BJax was raw to start out with and then went out for 4 weeks with a shin injury thereby putting him even further behind developmentally. By the time he got back he was way behind Wynn and Grant. Add to this the development of the blocking schemes and line gelling.

I don't understand how you can objectively say Jackson is JJ Arrington knowing the above information.

Grant was healthy, the line gelled, and he did very well. He is a solid back and proved such during the 2nd half of last year after 2 years of sitting the bench in NY. The issue I have is that BJax is still two years "behind" Grant as Grant is entering his 3rd year in the league.

The gap between Grant and Jackson seems to be closing by the week. I smell a 65/35 or closer RBBC if Jackson keeps up this learning pace.

 
For one, I just COMPLETELY ignore any positive "so-so is impressing in camp" rhetoric. It would take very little time to pull 50 positive reports from last year, that didn't amount to SQUAT in fantasy and/or NFL outcome.

Second... this is part-in-parcel motivation for Ryan Grant and his agent, to come down from asking for Frank Gore $$$$.

 
I'm honestly amazed at how far down the majority of folks are on Jackson. He's done nothing but exactly what he was predicted to do when he was drafted.

Meanwhile, folks are sky high on Grant, who's only started , what, 7,8 games?

IMHO, Grant is solid, but currently over-rated based on a limited resume'. Meanwhile, Jackson is being largely ignored and unfairly maligned. BJ is an absolute steal ATM.
you gotta admit he looked pretty good in most of those games, dude looks like he has talent to me anyways. BJ is a great/cheap backup if you draft grant (right now anyways).
 
BJax was raw to start out with and then went out for 4 weeks with a shin injury thereby putting him even further behind developmentally. By the time he got back he was way behind Wynn and Grant. Add to this the development of the blocking schemes and line gelling.I don't understand how you can objectively say Jackson is JJ Arrington knowing the above information.Grant was healthy, the line gelled, and he did very well. He is a solid back and proved such during the 2nd half of last year after 2 years of sitting the bench in NY. The issue I have is that BJax is still two years "behind" Grant as Grant is entering his 3rd year in the league. The gap between Grant and Jackson seems to be closing by the week. I smell a 65/35 or closer RBBC if Jackson keeps up this learning pace.
you're smelling the hype, packers reached for jackson in the draft and made up for it with the grant trade imo.
 
Dexter Manley said:
I wouldn't be shocked to see BJax win the starting job by the end of the season. He's definitely more talented than Grant, and improved dramatically over the course of last season.
What makes you think he is "definitely more talented than Grant"?Please don't give me draft position or what the two did in college.
BJax has better vision, better hands, better cutting ability, and is a better blocker. Overall, he's a much more natural runner than Grant, imo.Grant has a really good burst and is a more power though.
Um, no. If BJax were better at all of these things he would be the starter. A guy can be a natural runner but when he puts on the pads he becomes an oaf. BJax is that guy. But I guess you gotta say something to not feel bad about that wasted pick on Bjax and missing out on Grant on the WW last year. Am I close here? Come on, tell the truth and not some BS about not owning either one last year....
Lol no. I'm completely objective when it comes to my opinions, projections, etc. Btw, I had Grant in 2 leagues last year. Grant is a reach in the 2nd round this year.
I'm gonna go with a couple things here to say that you are not at all objective with this. First, NFL coaches don't remain NFL coaches if they let the better player ride the bench. These guys get paid to evaluate talent and win games. I'm gonna go with their opinion. Despite what they are saying in the media, their opinion at this point is probably more than a little biased. Their opinion last year during the season when they had no other motivation other than winning put in the better player. My second reason for saying you are not at all objective here is that BJax did not get it done on the field. Did not show any merit to his draft location. He was JJ Arrington 2.0. And I gotta call BS that you never owned BJax last year. I just don't believe it....
Not sure what your fixation is with last year. I don't play in any keeper or dynasty leagues, only redrafts, so even if I had BJax in all my leagues last year, what good would that do me this year? None.I still stand by my previous statement that BJax is more talented than Grant, although Grant was obviously a significantly better player than BJax last season. Remember BJax came out early after his junior year, the oline hadn't gelled, you could practically see the wheels turning in his head, and he got injured. By the end of the season he looked like a completely different player. Right now he's still only 22.If anything, you're the one not being objective. Comparing BJax to JJ Arrington? That's a pretty ridiculous comparison, imo.
 
I still stand by my previous statement that BJax is more talented than Grant.
I really don't see much to support that conclusion... not from their history or on-field performances.I'd love to hear your basis - independent of team situation at times when they played. So far all I've seen is excuses for BJax based on the team situation, or injuries. I want to see how you could, standing the players side by side, conclude that Jackson is more talented.
 
I'm gonna go with a couple things here to say that you are not at all objective with this. First, NFL coaches don't remain NFL coaches if they let the better player ride the bench. These guys get paid to evaluate talent and win games. I'm gonna go with their opinion. Despite what they are saying in the media, their opinion at this point is probably more than a little biased. Their opinion last year during the season when they had no other motivation other than winning put in the better player.

My second reason for saying you are not at all objective here is that BJax did not get it done on the field. Did not show any merit to his draft location. He was JJ Arrington 2.0.

And I gotta call BS that you never owned BJax last year. I just don't believe it....
But remember, this is Green Bay we're talking about and it's a weird year for that sort of thing.
 
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Well, there is the fact that one was drafted and one wasn't, but that is by no means a failsafe indication of talent. (See Tom Brady V Ryan Leaf)

I just think it's something to keep an eye on. No matter who starts, I don't think the Packers run game will be anything close to what it was last year. Without Brett under center, defenses will not be game-planning to stop the pass and the starter's ypc will be under 4.5, imo.

 
a difference of 1.5 in YPC isn't a matter of an OL "gelling", it's a giant chasm that represents a difference in talent.

 

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