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Brandon Jackson will not carry the load (1 Viewer)

scott72

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Packers coach Mike McCarthy and offensive coordinator Joe Philbin have indicated that they don't see Brandon Jackson as a carry-the-load back going forward.

McCarthy still plans to have Jackson on the field for a starter's snap-count, but his carries will be limited. Packers coaches don't trust Jackson's body to hold up to the toll of 18-20 touches per game, and he's still too valuable as a situational passing-down back. Barring a trade, Jackson will continue to split touches with John Kuhn and Dimitri Nance. Those who blew their waiver wire budget on Jackson will be disappointed to learn that he's not going to be a reliable RB2. Sep. 21 - 11:27 pm et

Source: ESPN Milwaukee

 
They should grab that guy who pooped in a hamper again just for old time's sake.

 
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I really believe this will be a game-by-game situation. Jackson got 20 touches against the Eagles because he was semi-productive. He got 12 against the Bills because he stunk. If Jackson was busting off big gains against Buffalo, I feel very confident in saying he would have gotten more than 11 carries in that game. If anyone made an investment in Jackson because they believed he was going to be a RB1 than I would say they made a mistake and arguably a huge one. He lacks that type of talent. However, in this offense he can be a decent RB2 if he can show something with the opportunities he's given. That's going to decide this situation. McCarthy may not want to give him 20 carries a game consistently but if Jackson does well he will get enough touches to justify RB2 status.

Whether he'll do something with those touches is the question and has always been the question from the second Grant's season-ending status was announced.

 
Most of us Packer fans knew all along that BJax wasn't cut out to be an every down back, so this isn't surprising. To reduce the risk of injury I'm sure they'll rotate all 3 in and out quite often. It's a pass heavy offense anyhow so they don't need one particular back to dominate the carries.

 
scott72 said:
Most of us Packer fans knew all along that BJax wasn't cut out to be an every down back, so this isn't surprising. To reduce the risk of injury I'm sure they'll rotate all 3 in and out quite often. It's a pass heavy offense anyhow so they don't need one particular back to dominate the carries.
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I love that we tried to tell them yet in every single bjack thread people said he was going to be RB2 going forward.
 
scott72 said:
Most of us Packer fans knew all along that BJax wasn't cut out to be an every down back, so this isn't surprising. To reduce the risk of injury I'm sure they'll rotate all 3 in and out quite often. It's a pass heavy offense anyhow so they don't need one particular back to dominate the carries.
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I agree. I don't think this is a new development to those of us who follow the Packers and have watched Jackson play. I picked up Jackson and based my projections on him getting 14 carries a game and 2 receptions. Assuming he doesn't lose the starting job I still believe those are realistic averages.
 
basher said:
scott72 said:
Most of us Packer fans knew all along that BJax wasn't cut out to be an every down back, so this isn't surprising. To reduce the risk of injury I'm sure they'll rotate all 3 in and out quite often. It's a pass heavy offense anyhow so they don't need one particular back to dominate the carries.
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I love that we tried to tell them yet in every single bjack thread people said he was going to be RB2 going forward.
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Yep. I'm half temped to re-bump that "all aboard the Kuhn train" thread again.. :ptts:
 
http://www.espnmilwaukee.com/includes/news..._medium=twitter

Sounds like a full blown RBBC.

The only thing I would say is that of the three, Nance is the only one with upside. I've said it before, but Green Bay plucked him from Atlanta over their own practice squad guys for a reason. Someone obviously thinks he has a chance to make an impact.

Given Jackson's poor YPC, I wouldn't be surprised to see Nance's workload slowly increase over the next few weeks.

Of course, all bets are off if they sign or trade for someone else.

 
Chaka said:
scott72 said:
Chaka said:
Where is the part straight from McCarthy?
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There is no quote from McCarthy in the OP just an "indication" from "Source: ESPN Milwaukee".
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Wilde's a very good reporter. There's no reason in my opinion to discount what he's reporting even if there are no direct quotes from McCarthy about a touch amount per game for Jackson. However, the following quote from Philbin reinforces my belief that this will be a game-by-game decision and if Jackson does well he will get the bulk of the touches:“I think we’d all like to see someone get real smokin’ hot back there, and maybe get (the ball) more than the other guys,” Philbin said. “But I think that’s kind of to be determined. We’re still working through it.”
 
The situation seems to be very fluid. What makes me like BJax the best out of the lot, though (and correct me if I'm wrong, Packers fans) is that he is the best receiving threat and blocker of the bunch, on a team that does a lot of passing. It's better to roster these guys and hope they pan out then let them fall to someone else's roster and watch from the fantasy sidelines.

 
packersfan said:
Chaka said:
scott72 said:
Chaka said:
Where is the part straight from McCarthy?
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;)
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There is no quote from McCarthy in the OP just an "indication" from "Source: ESPN Milwaukee".
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Wilde's a very good reporter. There's no reason in my opinion to discount what he's reporting even if there are no direct quotes from McCarthy about a touch amount per game for Jackson. However, the following quote from Philbin reinforces my belief that this will be a game-by-game decision and if Jackson does well he will get the bulk of the touches:“I think we’d all like to see someone get real smokin’ hot back there, and maybe get (the ball) more than the other guys,” Philbin said. “But I think that’s kind of to be determined. We’re still working through it.”
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:lmao: Wilde is VERY reliable. Reputable beat writer, not some radio hack.
 
mdlane said:
The situation seems to be very fluid. What makes me like BJax the best out of the lot, though (and correct me if I'm wrong, Packers fans) is that he is the best receiving threat and blocker of the bunch, on a team that does a lot of passing. It's better to roster these guys and hope they pan out then let them fall to someone else's roster and watch from the fantasy sidelines.
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OK, but the this makes no sense. I doubt he's being held in to block much.
 
thecardiackid said:
mdlane said:
The situation seems to be very fluid. What makes me like BJax the best out of the lot, though (and correct me if I'm wrong, Packers fans) is that he is the best receiving threat and blocker of the bunch, on a team that does a lot of passing. It's better to roster these guys and hope they pan out then let them fall to someone else's roster and watch from the fantasy sidelines.
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OK, but the this makes no sense. I doubt he's being held in to block much.
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Unless of course you value your franchise QB
 
I have watched McCarthy's press conference and it was a bit unclear on what exactly his plan was going forward.

But he did say they never really relied on one back for all 3 downs and they aren't going to start now. He also seem to suggest that Jackson will still be the 3rd down guy so that seems to suggest it will be a committee for the first two downs for now but that might change if someone performs really well. But since he seems set on keeping Jackson as the third down back that seems to imply there might be an opening for someone else to step up on the first two downs.

Also when he evaluated the running game in the Bills game he said after reviewing the tape the blocking was pretty good but the running backs were just ok.

Clearly, it seems like there is almost no chance Brandon Jackson will be an everydown back going forward so any hopes that he might post even better numbers than Grant because of the receiving prowness seem way off base. It also looks like the Packers are hoping someone besides Jackson will step up for the first two downs.

At this point I would say anything could happen here. They still might bring in a guy like Lynch or their might be a real opportunity for either Kohn, Nance or even Starks to step up and take over Grants old role. It seems unlikely Kohn could do that and Starks won't even be available until week #7 so it might actually be Nance who gets the chance.

Barring a trade I think Nance might be the guy with the most upside right now.

 
packersfan said:
I really believe this will be a game-by-game situation. Jackson got 20 touches against the Eagles because he was semi-productive. He got 12 against the Bills because he stunk. If Jackson was busting off big gains against Buffalo, I feel very confident in saying he would have gotten more than 11 carries in that game. If anyone made an investment in Jackson because they believed he was going to be a RB1 than I would say they made a mistake and arguably a huge one. He lacks that type of talent. However, in this offense he can be a decent RB2 if he can show something with the opportunities he's given. That's going to decide this situation. McCarthy may not want to give him 20 carries a game consistently but if Jackson does well he will get enough touches to justify RB2 status.Whether he'll do something with those touches is the question and has always been the question from the second Grant's season-ending status was announced.
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atcdav said:
Is LJ the answer? Is LJ ruined or is he disgruntled. Thoughts on LJ to GB or NE or??
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Only if the question is "Who is the washed up, old, RB that used to look like a stud behind a great KC O-line, then bounced around as he got slow and looked like he was running underwater until he was finally cut by a guy who could make Pee Wee Herman a 1,000 yard rusher?"
 
Poor guy in my league spent his full $100 on Jackson, dropping Demaryius Thomas. Now Thomas figures to be the better guy to own. What a difference a week makes.

 
basher said:
scott72 said:
Most of us Packer fans knew all along that BJax wasn't cut out to be an every down back, so this isn't surprising. To reduce the risk of injury I'm sure they'll rotate all 3 in and out quite often. It's a pass heavy offense anyhow so they don't need one particular back to dominate the carries.
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I love that we tried to tell them yet in every single bjack thread people said he was going to be RB2 going forward.
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:shrug: I had quite the debate going with quite a few people that thought he was destined for a 1000 and 10td
 
I also think that Nance is an interesting guy to stash away and see what happens.

Based on this story, it appears as though the team has a somewhat limited role in mind for Jackson, and Kuhn is more of a straight-line fullback. We haven't seen what Nance can do, so maybe there is something there.

Recall that Grant was pretty much an unknown, also plucked away from another team's depth (trade with Giants), and had to fight his way up the pecking order to get his shot. Wouldn't shock me if Nance gets a chance as well.

Of course, as mentioned, if the team trades for or signs another guy off the street, all bets are off.

 
BRONG said:
packersfan said:
I really believe this will be a game-by-game situation. Jackson got 20 touches against the Eagles because he was semi-productive. He got 12 against the Bills because he stunk. If Jackson was busting off big gains against Buffalo, I feel very confident in saying he would have gotten more than 11 carries in that game. If anyone made an investment in Jackson because they believed he was going to be a RB1 than I would say they made a mistake and arguably a huge one. He lacks that type of talent. However, in this offense he can be a decent RB2 if he can show something with the opportunities he's given. That's going to decide this situation. McCarthy may not want to give him 20 carries a game consistently but if Jackson does well he will get enough touches to justify RB2 status.Whether he'll do something with those touches is the question and has always been the question from the second Grant's season-ending status was announced.
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kdt said:
lolling at the people who blew their load on this guy
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:rolleyes: I don't understand why that would be laughable. He appeared to be a viable starting RB on a high octane offense. In many leagues, there won't be that kind of WW potential at RB.
 
So whats the shark move here? If you have the roster space, should you pick up Starks and wait? Do you packer fans think he's good enough to carry the load? How has he looked?

 
zamboni said:
I also think that Nance is an interesting guy to stash away and see what happens. Based on this story, it appears as though the team has a somewhat limited role in mind for Jackson, and Kuhn is more of a straight-line fullback. We haven't seen what Nance can do, so maybe there is something there.Recall that Grant was pretty much an unknown, also plucked away from another team's depth (trade with Giants), and had to fight his way up the pecking order to get his shot. Wouldn't shock me if Nance gets a chance as well.Of course, as mentioned, if the team trades for or signs another guy off the street, all bets are off.
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I'm thinking the same way here. With Jackson and Kuhn you have an idea of what to expect. Nance is the unknown, and given how he appears to have been hand picked over options available in the Packers practice squad...he's worth a little lottery money.
 
3nOut said:
So whats the shark move here? If you have the roster space, should you pick up Starks and wait? Do you packer fans think he's good enough to carry the load? How has he looked?
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There's no way to know about Starks. He's been hurt and was hurt a lot in college. Physical tools are intriguing but he hasn't been on the field and he's yet to prove he can stay on the field even when he is healthy. I'll reiterate what I posted earlier - barring a trade I think Jackson will be given the opportunity to be the main guy each week. If he's respectable or better (as he was in Week 1) he'll get plenty of touches. If he stinks (as he did in Week 2) the touches will be reduced. If he struggles for the next few games than the chances will be given to others. I don't think Kuhn is anything more than a bruiser/short-yardage guy. He doesn't strike me as starter material even if the team is in a bind. Nance is also an unknown. It's too soon to say if he possesses the one-cut style which the Packers need and Jackson lacks. Depending on your roster sizes, it may not be a bad move to grab both Starks and Nance and see how this all plays out. I still don't think Thompson is going to trade for a RB unless the team starts losing. It goes against his style. So if the Packers continue to win and are functioning somewhat in the running game I think he'll stick with what he has in-house. Right now Nance has more upside than Starks because he's healthier and getting reps in practice and in games. It really comes down to Jackson. If he can take the position and not stink then Nance and Starks will be reserves with no fantasy value. If he continues to stumble the door is going to fly wide open and then Nance and possibly Starks could get their shots.
 
thecardiackid said:
mdlane said:
The situation seems to be very fluid. What makes me like BJax the best out of the lot, though (and correct me if I'm wrong, Packers fans) is that he is the best receiving threat and blocker of the bunch, on a team that does a lot of passing. It's better to roster these guys and hope they pan out then let them fall to someone else's roster and watch from the fantasy sidelines.
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OK, but the this makes no sense. I doubt he's being held in to block much.
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Prior to Grant's injury, blitz pick-up was probably Jackson's most important role in this offense. It is something that he has worked very hard on and made a remarkable improvement since his rookie year, when he was worthless as a blocker. The issue of Green Bay's backfield has been addressed in great detail in these threads, and the fact remains that the answer is not a sexy one from a fantasy football perspective. The Packers coaches and management are conservative and they love their own guys. They don't like making bold or risky moves. They like B. Jackson - he is clearly "Packer people" (his quiet dedication to learn blocking and special teams is the kind of thing that will ensure a long career in Green Bay). Jackson will continue to get the bulk of the carries and is still the best option in the backfield for fantasy owners but, as most of us homer fans have said all along, Kuhn will continue to get more carries (including many of the goal line and short yardage carries) and there will be a few carries sprinkled among the other options. As Nance learns the system and Starks gets healthy, they will also get carries. Jackson was and remains a decent guy to have on your roster as a RB 2 or 3, but he's probably not ever going to be a 1 or even a strong 2.

 
If you're a Jackson owner the most significant thing to come out of Week 2 was the fact he got the goal-line look and not Kuhn. Plus he converted which means he should get the next one as well. The Packers should have no difficulty moving the ball each week so if Jackson is given some shots near the goal line and converts a healthy percentage of them that alone will give him viable fantasy value. Plus, the one thing he does well is catch the ball and in this offense a RB who can catch the ball has value. So there are some reasons for hope if you're a Jackson owner. You just have to offset the positives I mentioned with the understanding there's nothing about him that really stands out as a runner and because of that other RBs will be in the mix for carries each week.

 
Welshie said:
http://www.espnmilwaukee.com/includes/news..._medium=twitter

Sounds like a full blown RBBC.

The only thing I would say is that of the three, Nance is the only one with upside. I've said it before, but Green Bay plucked him from Atlanta over their own practice squad guys for a reason. Someone obviously thinks he has a chance to make an impact.

Given Jackson's poor YPC, I wouldn't be surprised to see Nance's workload slowly increase over the next few weeks.

Of course, all bets are off if they sign or trade for someone else.
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The lynch trade is making a lot of sense. Bills are going nowhere and don't want him. GB is a superbowl caliber team with a decent power running game. Mah-sun won't be breaking any big plays but he can move the pile and get them yards when they need it. If the Bills get a pick in return or Hawk they are doing good.
 
packersfan said:
Insein said:
Marshawn Lynch anyone?
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All reports out of Green Bay and Buffalo say there's nothing happening on that front. It's also wildly out of character for Thompson to part with top draft picks in a trade for a player.
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This just showed up in the news feed:Bills | Marshawn Lynch trade talks heats up following Week 2from Footballguys.com News BloggerThe rumored trade between Buffalo Bills RB Marshawn Lynch and Green Bay Packers LB A.J. Hawk only intensified after Lynch got the bulk of the backfield work in the team's Week 2 game, according to Allen Wilson, of The Buffalo News. However, the Bills may be hesitant to trade Lynch if they are concerned RB Fred Jackson could get hurt again. Our View: The Bills featured Lynch in their game against Green Bay in hopes of sparking these trade discussions. If moved to the Packers Lynch would be reunited with Aaron Rodgers as the two played together in college at Cal. We'll see if a deal between the two sides gets done in the near future.
 
I'm not sure why the Bills would want Hawk. He is much better suited to the 4-3 defense, and both Green Bay and Buffalo now run the 3-4. He's pretty much been reduced to a roleplayer in GB.

 
Clifford said:
packersfan said:
Insein said:
Marshawn Lynch anyone?
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All reports out of Green Bay and Buffalo say there's nothing happening on that front. It's also wildly out of character for Thompson to part with top draft picks in a trade for a player.
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This just showed up in the news feed:Bills | Marshawn Lynch trade talks heats up following Week 2from Footballguys.com News BloggerThe rumored trade between Buffalo Bills RB Marshawn Lynch and Green Bay Packers LB A.J. Hawk only intensified after Lynch got the bulk of the backfield work in the team's Week 2 game, according to Allen Wilson, of The Buffalo News. However, the Bills may be hesitant to trade Lynch if they are concerned RB Fred Jackson could get hurt again. Our View: The Bills featured Lynch in their game against Green Bay in hopes of sparking these trade discussions. If moved to the Packers Lynch would be reunited with Aaron Rodgers as the two played together in college at Cal. We'll see if a deal between the two sides gets done in the near future.
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I just don't understand this stuff.Nowhere in that article do we get a direct quote from Buffalo or Green Bay. Trade rumors heated up on message boards, largely aided by reporter speculation.It's possible a report is out there with quotes from either team. But that last I heard from the teams themselves, nothing is happening.
 
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