And Jacobs should be his partner.Dayne should go on Dancing with the Stars, as much as he danced around in the Giants' backfield.Horse cookies.He runs hard. He runs too tall at times making it easier for guys to chop at his knees, but he sure as hell runs hard.You're probably remembering Ron Dayne.
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Brandon Jacobs & Ahmad Bradshaw, RBs, New York Giants (1 Viewer)
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He doesn't run hard at all. If you want to see a bigger back run hard, go look at clips of when Jamal Lewis was good. Heck, there are times when Adrian Peterson hits defenders a lot harder than Jacobs does. I agree about him running too tall. That's probably part of the reason that he hits defenders like he's a little school girl.Horse cookies.He runs hard. He runs too tall at times making it easier for guys to chop at his knees, but he sure as hell runs hard.You're probably remembering Ron Dayne.
Avery
Footballguy
Jacob runs hard but he was hurt last year (address previously with his too upright style he's apparently working on) and he's the type of back who needs a bit of a head of steam. The O-line underperformed in run blocking, allowing too much penetration last year and Gilbride mysteriously used him on a lot of stretch plays last year. Clearly not he strength going horizontally to the line.Dayne ran soft. Jacob runs hard but like most big backs, he must be put in a position to succeed whereas the shifter Bradshaw is more capable of making his own hay.And Jacobs should be his partner.Dayne should go on Dancing with the Stars, as much as he danced around in the Giants' backfield.Horse cookies.He runs hard. He runs too tall at times making it easier for guys to chop at his knees, but he sure as hell runs hard.
You're probably remembering Ron Dayne.
Avery
Footballguy
If he's healthy, give him a hole and a head of steam and he will do damage. There are things to criticize in his game, but he doesn't run "soft".He doesn't run hard at all. If you want to see a bigger back run hard, go look at clips of when Jamal Lewis was good. Heck, there are times when Adrian Peterson hits defenders a lot harder than Jacobs does. I agree about him running too tall. That's probably part of the reason that he hits defenders like he's a little school girl.Horse cookies.He runs hard. He runs too tall at times making it easier for guys to chop at his knees, but he sure as hell runs hard.
You're probably remembering Ron Dayne.
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netnalp
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Jacobs said he tried to be a more elusive runner last year, I think that's because he was worried about getting hurt and losing the starting job to Bradshaw. If he's a battering ram, he's effective but gets banged up, if he dances he's not effective. Better for him to accept that he and Bradshaw are a RBBC and to hammer into the line and be happy Bradshaw is sharing the carries, because it'll save him some wear. Keep trying to preserve his body, I think he's off the team after the 2011 season.
baconisgood
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Prior to last year Jacobs was money inside the 5- 20 TDs in 37 attempts is quite good. His 4 TDs in 19 attempts last year was abysmal and Bradshaw was 5/8 so you may be right this year but I would expect that Jacobs will be given a shot at the goal line job this year.
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IF, and it's a good sized if, three minor changes happen - Jacobs running more compactly, the offense is tweaked to give Jacobs another yard or so of steam, and he stops thinking about where the hole's going to be and starts reacting to where the hole is - Jacobs could have a very nice season. As it stands now, I see Bradshaw getting 60% or so of the carries, 70% of the receptions out of the backfield, and about a 50/50 split in the end zone.
dmac37
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This may not be the popular opinion but.......
I think everyone has labeled Jacobs as a great goal line back, but IMO he was more of a product of a great offensive line. A few years ago in their prime any RB would have been a goal line stud with that o-line. Yes he is powerful but he is a tall slow moving (slow to get started) target that can not get low to the ground at the goal line. He was great once he got a full head of steam in the open field but at the goal line you are better off with a RB built low to the ground, quick to the hole and powerful.
I think Bradshaw is better suited for goal line looks but I've also been driving the Bradshaw bandwagon since the Super Bowl run
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I think everyone has labeled Jacobs as a great goal line back, but IMO he was more of a product of a great offensive line. A few years ago in their prime any RB would have been a goal line stud with that o-line. Yes he is powerful but he is a tall slow moving (slow to get started) target that can not get low to the ground at the goal line. He was great once he got a full head of steam in the open field but at the goal line you are better off with a RB built low to the ground, quick to the hole and powerful.
I think Bradshaw is better suited for goal line looks but I've also been driving the Bradshaw bandwagon since the Super Bowl run
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whodeywhodey
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What? That makes absolutely no sense at all.Seattle has Forsett, Julius Jones and Leon Washington as a RBBC. It is the worst situation in the NFL.I'd take Bradshaw all day every day out of those two.
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Ahmad Bradshaw-RB- Giants Sep. 2 - 7:12 pm et
The Giants started their entire first string in Thursday's preseason finale, and Ahmad Bradshaw was the first tailback on the field.
Bradshaw made a nifty run on the third play from scrimmage, evading numerous Patriots including Vince Wilfork for an 11-yard rush. He picked up seven yards on a carry the very next play, and on the same drive took a checkdown 17 yards to get into the red zone. Bradshaw was on the field for the Giants' entire first series. He will start over Brandon Jacobs in Week 1.
Ahmad Bradshaw-RB- Giants Sep. 2 - 7:12 pm et
The Giants started their entire first string in Thursday's preseason finale, and Ahmad Bradshaw was the first tailback on the field.
Bradshaw made a nifty run on the third play from scrimmage, evading numerous Patriots including Vince Wilfork for an 11-yard rush. He picked up seven yards on a carry the very next play, and on the same drive took a checkdown 17 yards to get into the red zone. Bradshaw was on the field for the Giants' entire first series. He will start over Brandon Jacobs in Week 1.
Scooby1974
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Did Bradshaw punch it into the end zone, and will he get the chance? That is the major question that I have in trying to judge his value. If Bradshaw gets 65% of the carries but Jacobs gets the goal line and short yardage runs then Jacobs will sap (8-10?) the ever important TD's from Bradshaw, rendering him a RB3. 1000 yards and 4 TD's?
Bradshaw will have more than 4 TD's from non short yardage runs/catches. Add in a few goal line TD's and your looking at 8-10 total TD's as a floor. IMO.
Keith1
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I'm in NY (lots of Giants and Jets fans) and my 12 team league drafts tonight. Thinking of grabbing Bradshaw in the 3rd round. He won't be there for me in the 4th.
I love Bradshaw's upside as well as anyone here. Drafted him in both leagues and got him at good (maybe actual) value in rds 6 and then 7.No way I draft him in the 3rd. Just let him go and grab the guys who you have projected in that area. FF rule # 46b "Always let homers overpay"But draft a NY player late. Then trade him to said homer.
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SaintsInDome2006
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8.3, 5.3, and 4.8 YPC in 3 seasons, and he's 24?
I say get him. I just traded LT to get him. Why can't he be a Top-10 back?
I say get him. I just traded LT to get him. Why can't he be a Top-10 back?
He fell to my first pick (22 overall) in my keeper league draft Tuesday night. I really didn't want to draft a Giant and I still feel sick about it. When my pick was approaching, I even said to my neighbor I hoped he didn't fall to me because I really didn't want him.From a strictly fantasy football standpoint, he'll be in my lineup regularly. I don't see him cracking the top 10, but probably top 15, depending on the TDs. I need more than 1,000 yards, 4 TDs.
Avery
Footballguy
Sure, but picking which times they will be will be close to impossible, barring injury of course.
netnalp
Footballguy
Sometimes, but Bradshaw is the safer play. I only see Jacobs outscoring Bradshaw if he gets TDs or breaks a long run for a score and Bradshaw just gets yardage. If Jacobs is being successful against a defense then Bradshaw probably is too. But if Jacobs is having trouble against a defense, it doesn't mean Bradshaw will.
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shnikies
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Bradshaw is clearly my buy of the week. His involvement has already been satisfactory and it will only increase. Jacobs will be out of the picture as soon as this week. Since Bradshaw hasn't put up monster numbers you might be able to get him at a great price. I'm going to put in some offers for him this week.
Bradshaw is a BUY BUY BUY!
Bradshaw is a BUY BUY BUY!
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
He's been great. My thought during the game was that I could not understand why they did not throw more screens and flats to Bradshaw; the Giants underutilized him and kept looking for the medium/deeps stuff, mystifying, Bradshaw's a good receiver I think.What do people think about Ware as a handcuff now to Bradshaw?
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The Big Donkey
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Green Bay could use him.
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