Braylon (1 Viewer)

[Major]

I'm thinking sell high as Holmes will turn into Sanchez's dude. Some think Braylon is back. Holmes could open him up.

:discuss:

 

[flooredyas]

I'm thinking sell high as Holmes will turn into Sanchez's dude. Some think Braylon is back. Holmes could open him up. :discuss:

What is your definition of HIGH for him? Wallace? Felix? Colston? To name a few that may be considered high. However I'd be doubtful that the owners of those players would trade those for him. So, what do you percieve his value to be?

 

[Late225]

I'm thinking sell high as Holmes will turn into Sanchez's dude. Some think Braylon is back. Holmes could open him up. :discuss:

He's great except for his steel fingers. The man can't catch too well. With that being said, targets were distributed evenly last game and Cotchery was sitting out most 2wr sets if I recall. It seemed like Holmes was getting targeted every time I looked at the screen, but the targets ended up spread pretty evenly. I expected the Jets to run a lot more this game, but they opened up the passing game the last few weeks. Don't forget how high Sanchez was drafted, and if he does turn out to be an Eli Manning or Philip Rivers type player, Edwards/Holmes value can shoot up immensely. Just a few random thoughts

 

[Drink G2]

I have trouble gauging any WR on the Jets value.

From the games I can find the Jets have had these many offensive snaps: 78, 75, 57, 65...so I think 70 is a fair average...

Here is how it breaks down in my mind:

- LT is the main dog right now i expect he gets about 18 rushes a game plus about 3 receptions (21 touches)

- Shonn Greene gets something like 12 touches a game average (eye balled it, compensated for max and min) (12)

- Brad Smith gets about 2 rushes a game as well (2)

Of that 70 number, that had been cut in half.

That leaves 35 more offensive snaps.

I don't see much of a point as to looking up what kind of targets or catches the WRs or TEs have gotten up to this point. But there is a way to put some sense to the 35 snaps we have left.

Sanchez has about a 55% completion rate (career and 2010 respectivly, and roughly)

That leaves about 20 snaps. Which are now completed passes. So 20 completed passes.

In the games I can find snap counts for Keller has been in for 219 of them

The "WR1" (based on snap count) through those same games has been in for 227 of them.

What this tells me is Keller is a very important part of the offense, he is on the field alot and in the most recent game even with Holmes return Keller had 5 more snaps than the WR1 did which tells Braylon won't effect Keller's role much other than Redzone targets.

Cotchery and Braylon have been on the field for about the same amount of snaps through the 4 games. Which was consistent even upon Holmes return.

What I take from all this is, once Holmes is worked in (only had about half the snaps as Keller, Cotch, and Bralyon this week) he won't directly take away one players snaps, there will be a pretty even distribution. and I also don't think Sanchez will have one "guy", Holmes and Braylon offer similar things in my eyes which compliments cotchery and keller well.

Basically you got 4 players capable of catching passes in the offense, there is never one situation where it will need to be forced to one guy. There is alot of competition for those 20 passes that aren't going to the RBs.

I'd sell Edwards high now if you can, he is WR14. Its hard to expect anything consistent from any receiver on the Jets, Sanchez is still young too.

Sources for snap info:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/index/_/count/31

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post...-time-breakdown

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/index/_/count/61

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/index/_/count/76

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

It seemed to me that Holmes took away from Keller more than Braylon. Edwards was still doing his thing... while Holmes seemed to find his limited success when he was doing quick, short slant routes inside.

 

[Major]

I have trouble gauging any WR on the Jets value.From the games I can find the Jets have had these many offensive snaps: 78, 75, 57, 65...so I think 70 is a fair average...Here is how it breaks down in my mind:- LT is the main dog right now i expect he gets about 18 rushes a game plus about 3 receptions (21 touches)- Shonn Greene gets something like 12 touches a game average (eye balled it, compensated for max and min) (12)- Brad Smith gets about 2 rushes a game as well (2)Of that 70 number, that had been cut in half.That leaves 35 more offensive snaps.I don't see much of a point as to looking up what kind of targets or catches the WRs or TEs have gotten up to this point. But there is a way to put some sense to the 35 snaps we have left.Sanchez has about a 55% completion rate (career and 2010 respectivly, and roughly)That leaves about 20 snaps. Which are now completed passes. So 20 completed passes.

damn good analysis...thanks, guy

 

[The_U]

I have trouble gauging any WR on the Jets value.From the games I can find the Jets have had these many offensive snaps: 78, 75, 57, 65...so I think 70 is a fair average...Here is how it breaks down in my mind:- LT is the main dog right now i expect he gets about 18 rushes a game plus about 3 receptions (21 touches)- Shonn Greene gets something like 12 touches a game average (eye balled it, compensated for max and min) (12)- Brad Smith gets about 2 rushes a game as well (2)Of that 70 number, that had been cut in half.That leaves 35 more offensive snaps.I don't see much of a point as to looking up what kind of targets or catches the WRs or TEs have gotten up to this point. But there is a way to put some sense to the 35 snaps we have left.Sanchez has about a 55% completion rate (career and 2010 respectivly, and roughly)That leaves about 20 snaps. Which are now completed passes. So 20 completed passes.

damn good analysis...thanks, guy

I'll second that. PROPS. I lean towards Holmes affecting Keller more than Edwards and I don't think Braylon's value is going to change all that much. I still feel he's a tough guy to count on, but so far in 2010 he keeps making me think it's time to start getting him into my lineup vs sitting around as my WR4 insurance guy.Isn't Braylon playing for a contract BTW?

 

[Dawg Pound 69]

I have trouble gauging any WR on the Jets value.

From the games I can find the Jets have had these many offensive snaps: 78, 75, 57, 65...so I think 70 is a fair average...

Here is how it breaks down in my mind:

- LT is the main dog right now i expect he gets about 18 rushes a game plus about 3 receptions (21 touches)

- Shonn Greene gets something like 12 touches a game average (eye balled it, compensated for max and min) (12)

- Brad Smith gets about 2 rushes a game as well (2)

Of that 70 number, that had been cut in half.

That leaves 35 more offensive snaps.

I don't see much of a point as to looking up what kind of targets or catches the WRs or TEs have gotten up to this point. But there is a way to put some sense to the 35 snaps we have left.

Sanchez has about a 55% completion rate (career and 2010 respectivly, and roughly)

That leaves about 20 snaps. Which are now completed passes. So 20 completed passes.

damn good analysis...thanks, guy

I'll second that. PROPS. I lean towards Holmes affecting Keller more than Edwards and I don't think Braylon's value is going to change all that much. I still feel he's a tough guy to count on, but so far in 2010 he keeps making me think it's time to start getting him into my lineup vs sitting around as my WR4 insurance guy.Isn't Braylon playing for a contract BTW?

Edwards and Holmes are both playing for contracts, which should make for an interesting competition. They're equally troublesome off the field, but Holmes would be closer to a suspension than Edwards.

 

[Dos46]

Edwards and Holmes are both playing for contracts, which should make for an interesting competition. They're equally troublesome off the field, but Holmes would be closer to a suspension than Edwards.

Why is Holmes closer to a suspension? I don't understand this statement. He just served his 4 game suspension and if he gets in trouble again he will face another suspension. Braylon was arrested for a DUI not too long ago that can face suspension when a verdict is established.

 

[Rovers]

I haven't re-watched the Monday nite game yet, but it did seem to me that Holmes was going short-medium over the middle alot, and that is Keller territory. I think Holmes impacts Keller a lot, and all but kills Cotchery. Holmes will steal most of Cotchery's snaps. I believe Keller's red zone targets will remain about the same.

The Jets are in love with Edwards' run blocking and for good reason. He does an outstanding job of it. I don't predict any drop off in BE's snaps or targets. His rep for having hands of stone hasn't been obvious this year either. I don't know the number, but he's had very few drops this year.

 

[Sam Quentin]

I haven't re-watched the Monday nite game yet, but it did seem to me that Holmes was going short-medium over the middle alot, and that is Keller territory. I think Holmes impacts Keller a lot, and all but kills Cotchery. Holmes will steal most of Cotchery's snaps. I believe Keller's red zone targets will remain about the same.

The Jets are in love with Edwards' run blocking and for good reason. He does an outstanding job of it. I don't predict any drop off in BE's snaps or targets. His rep for having hands of stone hasn't been obvious this year either. I don't know the number, but he's had very few drops this year.

I was about to say the sameI

 

[kentric]

It was Holmes' first game back, but it sure felt like he was getting considerable attention from Sanchez when he was in. Edwards has been playing very well. Not only has his blocking been excellent (see Rovers' post), but he has done well getting open on deep routes. The Jets aren't afraid of throwing the ball deep. The concern about Edwards has always been his head/hands. He's dropped a few this year, but overall, I believe he's improved quite a bit from the last couple of years - perhaps someone can find the drops/attempt to see if this is in fact true. Although Keller wasn't targeted that much last game, I'm not sure that wasn't a reflection of their opponents ability to defend the TE spot. Another good point Rovers mentioned was Cotchery. Cotchery used to be a primary target for the Jets. Even before Holmes' return last week, Cotchery seemed the forgotten Jet. It's difficult to imagine Cotchery getting any more attention now that Holmes is around.

I'm rather impressed with Holmes' game and feel he will get more than his fair share of completions and targets and view him as a top 8-11 receiver for the remainder of the year.

 

[Dos46]

It was Holmes' first game back, but it sure felt like he was getting considerable attention from Sanchez when he was in. Edwards has been playing very well. Not only has his blocking been excellent (see Rovers' post), but he has done well getting open on deep routes. The Jets aren't afraid of throwing the ball deep. The concern about Edwards has always been his head/hands. He's dropped a few this year, but overall, I believe he's improved quite a bit from the last couple of years - perhaps someone can find the drops/attempt to see if this is in fact true. Although Keller wasn't targeted that much last game, I'm not sure that wasn't a reflection of their opponents ability to defend the TE spot. Another good point Rovers mentioned was Cotchery. Cotchery used to be a primary target for the Jets. Even before Holmes' return last week, Cotchery seemed the forgotten Jet. It's difficult to imagine Cotchery getting any more attention now that Holmes is around. I'm rather impressed with Holmes' game and feel he will get more than his fair share of completions and targets and view him as a top 8-11 receiver for the remainder of the year.

I agree with Rovers and you except Holmes being a top 12 receiver this year. Although I wish this, I would put him around the Maclin area of top 20-25, a solid WR2. But let's hope you are right Another thing to mention about Cotchery is that he has dropped a few balls this year which is very uncommon for him. He hasn't been the same Cotchery I expected.

 

[Drink G2]

I have trouble gauging any WR on the Jets value.

From the games I can find the Jets have had these many offensive snaps: 78, 75, 57, 65...so I think 70 is a fair average...

Here is how it breaks down in my mind:

- LT is the main dog right now i expect he gets about 18 rushes a game plus about 3 receptions (21 touches)

- Shonn Greene gets something like 12 touches a game average (eye balled it, compensated for max and min) (12)

- Brad Smith gets about 2 rushes a game as well (2)

Of that 70 number, that had been cut in half.

That leaves 35 more offensive snaps.

I don't see much of a point as to looking up what kind of targets or catches the WRs or TEs have gotten up to this point. But there is a way to put some sense to the 35 snaps we have left.

Sanchez has about a 55% completion rate (career and 2010 respectivly, and roughly)

That leaves about 20 snaps. Which are now completed passes. So 20 completed passes.

In the games I can find snap counts for Keller has been in for 219 of them

The "WR1" (based on snap count) through those same games has been in for 227 of them.

What this tells me is Keller is a very important part of the offense, he is on the field alot and in the most recent game even with Holmes return Keller had 5 more snaps than the WR1 did which tells Braylon won't effect Keller's role much other than Redzone targets.

Cotchery and Braylon have been on the field for about the same amount of snaps through the 4 games. Which was consistent even upon Holmes return.

What I take from all this is, once Holmes is worked in (only had about half the snaps as Keller, Cotch, and Bralyon this week) he won't directly take away one players snaps, there will be a pretty even distribution. and I also don't think Sanchez will have one "guy", Holmes and Braylon offer similar things in my eyes which compliments cotchery and keller well.

Basically you got 4 players capable of catching passes in the offense, there is never one situation where it will need to be forced to one guy. There is alot of competition for those 20 passes that aren't going to the RBs.

I'd sell Edwards high now if you can, he is WR14. Its hard to expect anything consistent from any receiver on the Jets, Sanchez is still young too.

Sources for snap info:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/index/_/count/31

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post...-time-breakdown

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/index/_/count/61

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/index/_/count/76

So far sounds pretty close...Few less snaps pretty evenly knocked down completed passes and touches by backs

Sanchez had 17 completed passes

Cotchery, Edwards, Holmes, all had 4 receptions and Keller had 3

LT had 18 touches, Greene 9, Brad Smith had 3

Snaps:

LaDainian Tomlinson -- 43/62

Shonn Greene -- 16/62

Jerricho Cotchery -- 53/62

Braylon Edwards -- 47/62

Santonio Holmes -- 23/62

Dustin Keller -- 47/62

Expect this week to be have the look of a typcial or average* week

*Average meaning mean in the mathmatical sense, not that they played "average"

Snap source:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/index/_/count/1