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Breaking an unwritten rule... (1 Viewer)

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Last season may have been the Year of the Unwritten Rule in baseball, but 2011 is getting off to an awfully early start.

And Jake Fox(notes) is accused of being this year's first big violater, not only by the opposing team, but by his own manager as well.

According to Jeff Zrebiec of the Sun papers, the Baltimore Orioles catcher ruffled the feathers of the Detroit Tigers and O's manager Buck Showalter during the eighth inning of Monday's spring training game in Sarasota. His big offense? Swinging at a 3-0 pitch with no outs and runners on second and third.

That doesn't sound that egregious — especially since there were runners in scoring position and the at-bat ended in a bases-loading walk anyway — so what was the beef?

Apparently, the O's were winning 13-3 at the time and there was a minor league pitcher on the mound, so Fox's bat should have been on his shoulder. Or so some would have you believe.

From The Sun:

Swinging 3-0 in a 10-run game with no outs in the eighth inning with a minor league pitcher on the mound is a decent way to make sure you get a fastball in the ribs in your next at-bat. The average fan may not think it was a big deal but Orioles manager Buck Showalter and Tigers manager Jim Leyland certainly did.

Showalter angrily yanked off his hat, and was seen yelling in the home dugout to anyone in particular. His hat off the whole time, he kept shaking his head and muttering throughout the rest of Fox's at-bat, which resulted in a walk. Leyland, meanwhile, yelled at Fox from the top step of the dugout.

When Fox was removed for a pinch runner, Showalter made sure that he was one of the first people to meet him in the dugout and he gave him an earful. The Orioles manager was still fuming about it after the game as it apparently wasn't the first time this spring where Fox ignored a clear take situation.

First off, the objections of Leyland and Showalter, of course, are completely ridiculous because we're talking about spring training. For the past month, we've watched games where starters threw 10 changeups in a row, closers worked the fourth or fifth innings, and everyday players got one or two at-bats before showering, dressing and leaving for their condos by the time the seventh inning rolled around. If there's one rule about spring training baseball, it's that the normal rules of baseball don't apply.

Going further, though, Fox is a special case who should have been swinging away as long as he hadn't received a sign saying otherwise. Though he hit a whopping 10 homers this spring for the major league lead, his deficiencies on defense kept him in limbo on a team that's already full of guys who can go deep. It wasn't until Tuesday that he found out that he'd officially made the team as its lone backup catcher. Until that news, he should have been using every opportunity — something that spring training is designed for — to show what he can do (namely, launch baseballs at a sometimes prodigious rate).

By the way, if Leyland and Showalter continue to insist that the score of a spring training game should dictate anything that happens on the field, there's this: The final score of Monday's game was 14-9, so that 10-run lead at the time of Fox's "transgression" wasn't as much of a lock as it looked. (Nor did any of the players in the game give up either.)

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Call-the-baseball-cops-Jake-Fox-violates-the-fi?urn=mlb-wp1603

I've never heard of this rule. I know it's not a good idea to swing in that situation but I didn't realize it's one of the unwritten rules. But Showalter and Leyland both immediately flipped out so I'm guessing their players won't soon forget it.

 
You make a pitcher throw strikes....if he's 3-0...you make him throw a strike. I don't have a problem with Showalter being upset at this.

If you're up 13-3....it's Bush league to swing on a 3 - 0 pitch....particularly in Spring Training. I don't have a problem with Leyland being upset at this.

 
Pretty weird that the writer took the "don't blame Fox for doing everything he can to fight for a roster spot" angle.

How much could Fox have thought Showalter would've been impressed by him smacking yet another Spring Training meatball over the wall? (If that were the case, Fox's roster spot would've never been in doubt).

I'd think that part of trying to impress a manager would have to involve taking the time to consider exactly what it is that a manager might be looking for in a player.

Clearly, Showalter values old-school fundamentals and respect for the game over blasting Spring Training meatballs over the wall.

 
You make a pitcher throw strikes....if he's 3-0...you make him throw a strike. I don't have a problem with Showalter being upset at this.If you're up 13-3....it's Bush league to swing on a 3 - 0 pitch....particularly in Spring Training. I don't have a problem with Leyland being upset at this.
Particularly in spring training?If anything, that is the time when it is most acceptable, IMO. It is practice folks. Practice.
 
Definitely should not be swinging there but they probably went a little overboard.
Why? The only argument here is that you're running up the score.It's Spring Training. You're trying to make the team and show what you can do. Nobody cares about the score. Also, you're grown men. You're going to get blown out sometimes. This isn't Little League.
 
Definitely should not be swinging there but they probably went a little overboard.
Why? The only argument here is that you're running up the score.It's Spring Training. You're trying to make the team and show what you can do. Nobody cares about the score. Also, you're grown men. You're going to get blown out sometimes. This isn't Little League.
Showing you know the situation would have been more impressive I think.
 
Definitely should not be swinging there but they probably went a little overboard.
Why? The only argument here is that you're running up the score.It's Spring Training. You're trying to make the team and show what you can do. Nobody cares about the score. Also, you're grown men. You're going to get blown out sometimes. This isn't Little League.
Showing you know the situation would have been more impressive I think.
:lmao: "Hey, I know you took the perfect pitch in the at bat, and eventually struck out, but at least you knew better than to hurt someone's feelings."

 
Definitely should not be swinging there but they probably went a little overboard.
Why? The only argument here is that you're running up the score.It's Spring Training. You're trying to make the team and show what you can do. Nobody cares about the score. Also, you're grown men. You're going to get blown out sometimes. This isn't Little League.
Showing you know the situation would have been more impressive I think.
:lmao: "Hey, I know you took the perfect pitch in the at bat, and eventually struck out, but at least you knew better than to hurt someone's feelings."
That's what you think it is? Lol
 
Definitely should not be swinging there but they probably went a little overboard.
Why? The only argument here is that you're running up the score.It's Spring Training. You're trying to make the team and show what you can do. Nobody cares about the score. Also, you're grown men. You're going to get blown out sometimes. This isn't Little League.
Showing you know the situation would have been more impressive I think.
:lmao: "Hey, I know you took the perfect pitch in the at bat, and eventually struck out, but at least you knew better than to hurt someone's feelings."
That's what you think it is? Lol
Oh, I'm sorry, it's an "unwritten rule". That's much better.
 
Definitely should not be swinging there but they probably went a little overboard.
Why? The only argument here is that you're running up the score.It's Spring Training. You're trying to make the team and show what you can do. Nobody cares about the score. Also, you're grown men. You're going to get blown out sometimes. This isn't Little League.
Showing you know the situation would have been more impressive I think.
:lmao: "Hey, I know you took the perfect pitch in the at bat, and eventually struck out, but at least you knew better than to hurt someone's feelings."
That's what you think it is? Lol
Oh, I'm sorry, it's an "unwritten rule". That's much better.
No, the writer is an idiot. Showalter wants Fox to play like it's a real MLB game, not some game at the local VFW. In a real MLB game, Fox wouldn't have a green light. Not because it's some knob from the minors throwing, but Fox hasn't proven himself enough to do so. He's mad because it's important to understand the situation. Fox has power, no one doubts that, so a bonehead move like this doesn't help his cause at all.
 
No, the writer is an idiot. Showalter wants Fox to play like it's a real MLB game, not some game at the local VFW. In a real MLB game, Fox wouldn't have a green light. Not because it's some knob from the minors throwing, but Fox hasn't proven himself enough to do so. He's mad because it's important to understand the situation. Fox has power, no one doubts that, so a bonehead move like this doesn't help his cause at all.
If it was a real MLB game, he should have a green light. Some knob from the minors is going to groove one every time there.
 
Fox had two PAs in 2010 with a 3-0 count. One ended in a walk, the other was an out. I wonder if he had the green light on that one?

Edit: In 09 he had 6 PAs, 4 walks and 2 outs.

So, he's 0-3 in his career.

 
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Who gives or has a green light on a 3-0 in a real MLB game?
Are you actually asking, or is this rhetorical?
It's a little of both. You don't really see a 3-0 greenlight that often; with the managerial reasoning being that you to make the pitcher throw strikes.
Is that the reason? I always thought it was just good to get guys on base. (I'm honestly not sure)
lol
 
Fox had two PAs in 2010 with a 3-0 count. One ended in a walk, the other was an out. I wonder if he had the green light on that one?Edit: In 09 he had 6 PAs, 4 walks and 2 outs.So, he's 0-3 in his career.
Magglio Ordonez is 0-4 today. He should retire.
Point?
If you think Maggs should retire, I can't help you see it.
I don't get how your random Mags comment has anything to do with anything. Was hoping you could explain.Edit: As an aside, Mags had 13 PAs with a 3-0. 11 walks and 1-2 with a homer!
 
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Who gives or has a green light on a 3-0 in a real MLB game?
Are you actually asking, or is this rhetorical?
It's a little of both. You don't really see a 3-0 greenlight that often; with the managerial reasoning being that you to make the pitcher throw strikes.
Is that the reason? I always thought it was just good to get guys on base. (I'm honestly not sure)
Our reasons are both intertwined. At 3-0...you know the guy is experiencing a bit of a wild period. You want to make him throw a strike and not give him one by swinging at a bad pitch....particularly when the pitcher has to go through another hitters count at 3-1 (assuming he throws a strike). Sure...I think at times batters and teams have to keep a pitcher honest by swinging at a 3-0 meatball (thus putting in the pitchers head that he might have to actually make a pitch rather than groove one).....but most of the time I think the bat should be on the shoulder.Fox's case is bad for him because Showalter seems to be the type of manager who doesn't want someone to swing at 3-0. Fox swinging puts in Buck's head that Fox might not be a smart or disciplined ballplayer.
 
Fox's case is bad for him because Showalter seems to be the type of manager who doesn't want someone to swing at 3-0. Fox swinging puts in Buck's head that Fox might not be a smart or disciplined ballplayer.
Reasonable.I was hammering on the "unwritten rule" part. The rationale above is fine.
 
As an Orioles fan, I don't give a #### what the unwritten rules are. What's the "unwritten rule" about beating your opponent 30-3?

 
As an Orioles fan, I don't give a #### what the unwritten rules are. What's the "unwritten rule" about beating your opponent 30-3?
As an Orioles fan, you have to admit when Showalter showed up he had them playing better baseball, right?
 
As an Orioles fan, I don't give a #### what the unwritten rules are. What's the "unwritten rule" about beating your opponent 30-3?
You're not the one who needs to care. The manager cares. If you're playing under him, that means you're a fool if you don't care (or at least pretend to).
 
As an Orioles fan, I don't give a #### what the unwritten rules are. What's the "unwritten rule" about beating your opponent 30-3?
You're not the one who needs to care. The manager cares. If you're playing under him, that means you're a fool if you don't care (or at least pretend to).
Don't get me wrong, I love what Buck has done. He has this team playing the game the right way. And by the right way, I mean fundamentals. If the unwritten rules have to accompany the fundamentals, so be it. That doesn't mean I respect the unwritten rules after that thrashing we took and subsequent larger laughing stock we became because of it. I don't remember the Rangers getting much heat over running the score up.
 
As an Orioles fan, I don't give a #### what the unwritten rules are. What's the "unwritten rule" about beating your opponent 30-3?
You're not the one who needs to care. The manager cares. If you're playing under him, that means you're a fool if you don't care (or at least pretend to).
Don't get me wrong, I love what Buck has done. He has this team playing the game the right way. And by the right way, I mean fundamentals. If the unwritten rules have to accompany the fundamentals, so be it. That doesn't mean I respect the unwritten rules after that thrashing we took and subsequent larger laughing stock we became because of it. I don't remember the Rangers getting much heat over running the score up.
The Orioles are a laughing stock but it has nothing to do with a Spring Training unwritten rule. It has to do with your team consistently sucking and not having a winning season since 1997.
 
As an Orioles fan, I don't give a #### what the unwritten rules are. What's the "unwritten rule" about beating your opponent 30-3?
You're not the one who needs to care. The manager cares. If you're playing under him, that means you're a fool if you don't care (or at least pretend to).
Don't get me wrong, I love what Buck has done. He has this team playing the game the right way. And by the right way, I mean fundamentals. If the unwritten rules have to accompany the fundamentals, so be it. That doesn't mean I respect the unwritten rules after that thrashing we took and subsequent larger laughing stock we became because of it. I don't remember the Rangers getting much heat over running the score up.
The Orioles are a laughing stock but it has nothing to do with a Spring Training unwritten rule. It has to do with your team consistently sucking and not having a winning season since 1997.
Never said it did. And I said the 30-3 game made us a larger laughing stock. I am well aware of the Orioles struggles over the last 13 years. WELL aware.Obeying unwritten rules isn't going to change that. Winning will.
 

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