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Breaking down "The Call that wasn't" (1 Viewer)

cowboyz1

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I'm going to make this real simple fellas. Had the game been played without the call everyone would be talking about how this game saved the weekend for it's pure excitement. Yes, there would be a few tiffs about some of the calls here and there but for the most part, Romo, TW and the Dallas defense would be dominating the conversations. It's a shame that it has come to this because for me any playoff team that scores but 3 points in the second half of a playoff game has no business winning anyhow.

That said, the call did happen and if you watch the play from all angles there were fouls on both players. Petigrew DID grab Hitch's facemask and Hitch although did a great job selling his coverage, grabbed his shoulder on the route and did enough to warrant a flag. However, if you're honest with yourself and have any kind of football purest in your blood, that play had no business deciding a football game of that magnitude. There is no way Detroit should have needed to pin there hope of winning that game on a referee throwing a flag. Petigrew was covered, had no chance of catching the ball because Hitch did a great job of being in the position that he was. Think back to when football was about making real plays despite rough play. Back when you couldn't depend on PI and PFs to bail you out. When players had to play football and WR actually had to get open, catch the ball knowing they could get knocked out, a time where the defender had as much right to the ball as the WR.

I know exactly what the refs were thinking. The three officials got together and asked each other what they saw. They all looked at each other and said, wasn't enough contact to give them a free pass. The guy who threw the flag was the furthest from the play and threw the flag based on the given precedent that when a defender has his back to the play and doesn't turn his head, it's a penalty. The three said NO, in a game like this, you're going to have to win it making plays. I applaud them for the decision. Had it been against my Cowboys, YES, I would be pissed off. However, I would also know deep down that they made the right decision and weren't about to give a free first down on a poor throw to a covered receiver who had no chance of making the play whether Hitch grazed him or not. That simple. Now the way they handled it was poor which is why we are here #####ing about it. I have felt exactly the way Lions fans do about calls like this, but deep down I am more pissed about the play call and the decision to make such a poor pass to a covered receiver, praying for a call.

I have no problem arguing it was the RIGHT call given the circumstances and Detroit had ample time and opportunity to win that game. Like I said, 3 points in two quarters does not a winner make.

Now as far as some fix being in. Ridiculous. If the Lions showed some balls and went for it on 4th and 1 like we did TWICE, perhaps they would have won. Instead they counted on a ticky tack call to go their way. I don't know about you but football is a contact sport and you had better know how to make plays in spite of contact. That is the foundation of this game and without it you don't have football. Some refs know the difference between PI and playing through contact. I wish more did because the pusification of this game has got to stop.

The conversation should be about how Romo played his ### off in spite of being legally mauled. TW stepping up to make plays. Murray grinding out some tough yards. Beasley making timely first downs. Witten coming up HUGE on 4th down twice and the Cowboys defense holding the Lions to 3 points in crunch time.

Finally, I applaud the refs for making the right call, despite doing it all wrong. In no way did that call determine the winner of that game. Did it make it tougher for the Lions, sure but that is what this game is all about. Dallas found ways to adapt, improvise and overcome, while the Lions.......they chose to punt.

Dallas didn't let misfortune stop them from making the plays to win the game. Simple as that folks. Simple as that.

 
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uhhh... wrong call because of the initial jersey tug. Def holding was the call- at the least. Not going for it on 4th and short etc etc, that's on the Lions:

"they chose to punted."

 
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Well I guess that settles it then. Cowboyz hath spoken. So endeth the debate.
I wasn't trying to come off like that. I was just throwing out my thoughts.

Now on to Green Bay where I like our chances of winning more then I did against the Lions. I know we will score points on that defense, the Lions, not so much.

 
As a Dallas fan I have seen the team lose many games like this and it's always easy to point out a bad call that went against them. A missed call or a bad call on a penalty just sucks and can change momentum unfairly. But they always had chances beyond that bad call and had they executed better it would not have mattered. They would have won despite the bad call. This play was not the only reason Dallas won. They made more plays at the end on both offense and defense than Detroit.

 
And if the play was called correctly then the lions would've likely scored at least a field goal and scored 6 points in the half. Is that enough points to make a winner? Or is it a minimum of 7?

 
Lots of words when the whole fiasco can be summed in in the following:

"Yeah, Dallas was a huge beneficiary of a penalty that was called and rightfully called but for some reason the refs reversed their call after announcing it. Dallas was overly lucky. Suck it, Detroit."

Packers 42 - Dallas 17

"Suck it, Dallas."

 
Lots of words when the whole fiasco can be summed in in the following:

"Yeah, Dallas was a huge beneficiary of a penalty that was called and rightfully called but for some reason the refs reversed their call after announcing it. Dallas was overly lucky. Suck it, Detroit."

Packers 42 - Dallas 17

"Suck it, Dallas."
You're mistaken in on thing. Let me fix if for ya.

Cowboys 38 Packer 34. :yes:

 
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Well I guess that settles it then. Cowboyz hath spoken. So endeth the debate.
I wasn't trying to come off like that. I was just throwing out my thoughts.

Now on to Green Bay where I like our chances of winning more then I did against the Lions. I know we will score points on that defense, the Lions, not so much.
The Packers are far and away a different team at home. Over the past five years, their net point differential is +12.73 points playing at home, easily the biggest difference in the league.

GB at home in that time +13.53 point differential at home. DAL -0.25 point differential on the road.

 
Well I guess that settles it then. Cowboyz hath spoken. So endeth the debate.
I wasn't trying to come off like that. I was just throwing out my thoughts.

Now on to Green Bay where I like our chances of winning more then I did against the Lions. I know we will score points on that defense, the Lions, not so much.
The Packers are far and away a different team at home. Over the past five years, their net point differential is +12.73 points playing at home, easily the biggest difference in the league.

GB at home in that time +13.53 point differential at home. DAL -0.25 point differential on the road.
I totally agree with you that GB is so lethal at home. However, they haven't faced a team with an O line like Dallas, combined with a runner like Murray, and a QB like Romo. They are not as big or talented up front and will not be able to handle our O line like the Lions did early. Like I said, the Cowboys are going to score points on that defense. GB will score too but this Cowboys team is going to get to Rodgers and his calf is going to make a HUGE difference in how dangerous Rodgers will be. I am confident that this will be a great, great game with over 60 points put on the board. Last team with the ball wins.

 
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are you going to argue that dez didn't get on the field without his helmet and argue with the refs? PI or not, dez CLEARLY committed a penalty and wasn't called... the end.

 
The call was NBA bad. If it had happened to Witten instead of Pettigrew, cowboyz1 would be singing a completely different tune in an equally long post.

That said, we can all agree the Lions should have went for it on the next play. Only a coward punts it in that situation, especially after the screw job from the refs.

 
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are you going to argue that dez didn't get on the field without his helmet and argue with the refs? PI or not, dez CLEARLY committed a penalty and wasn't called... the end.
This is not true. Its left to the official's discretion when its a player from the sideline. Dean Blandino addressed this one NFL Total Access.

But since the NFL wanted the Cowboys to win, I'm sure that's why they didn't throw a flag on Dez.

 
Sorry, I just can't see that call meriting the whining I am hearing. Good teams rise above poor calls. Caldwell didn't even have enough confidence to go for it the next play. Then the Lions still had one last possession to win and couldn't finish the deal.

 
it's all over this weekend,when the Packers lay a beating on the Cowboys..if the Cowboys can't run the ball to the tune of 150~ yards yards,they'll lose.

if they let Rodgers on the field early and often,he'll pick them apart..they can't stop Nelson,Cobb, and Co.

Packers win this one ,easy.

as for 'the call', I saw Lions' players flopping on nearly every single play..Ebron in particular..didn't know they give out Academy Awards to football players, but apparently they do.stop whining Detroit fans.you had your chances, bad calls or not.

Romo played his guts out..you don' t give up a 20-7 lead on the road, and expect to win..not with that supposedly great Lions defense..

 
That said, we can all agree the Lions should have went for it on the next play. Only a coward punts it in that situation, especially after the screw job from the refs.
This seems to be a majority view and I thinks it's simply wrong. It's easy to say they should have gone for it knowing now that the punter would shank it for only 10 yds. Det was playing great D up to that point. You'd have to think they like their chances with their D and pinning them back.
 
I am a diehard Lions fan but I pretty much agree with you OP. I think if Stafford places the ball anywhere but the middle of the LBs back it becomes either a completion or a much easier call but I it was a marginal PI call. I have seen less called tho. Points from Detroit there would have a huge effect on their chances of winning but it didn't decide the game. I also think there were some marginal calls that went against the Cowboys as well.

I also agree that punting there is not inherently horrible, Martin has been really good all year and there's a great chance to pin the Cowboys back deep. Unfortunately we just didn't execute on special teams (Ross's 5 yard kickoff return was also horrendous).

In a way this is a good outcome for the Lions as they can go out thinking they should have gone on vs. having to travel to Seattle and getting run out of the building. They are a team on the rise finally but they are just not quite there yet.

 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who think the officials botched an obvious PI call, and Cowboys fans.
wait, what about Cowboys haters who are waiting for something like, this so they can pounce. Then we have polls, conspiracy theories, etc.......Gives eagles fans something to do I guess.

 
the NFL apologized to the Lions so there you have it, but 1 call doesn't make void a whole game
This was going to happen regardless. Whether or not it shoulda been a penalty, they handled it poorly.
The defensive holding most certainly should have been a penalty even if you think the PI was weak.
Again, what about Pettigrew grabbing Hitchens facemask? Why is that not relevant?
So, offsetting and replay the down not an option? Cowboys got away with 3 penalties on one play. You can admit it, the NFL won't take the win away.

 
Plays like that one make watching the NFL difficult. Seems like there is a fishy call every year in the playoffs or SB.

 
the NFL apologized to the Lions so there you have it, but 1 call doesn't make void a whole game
This was going to happen regardless. Whether or not it shoulda been a penalty, they handled it poorly.
The defensive holding most certainly should have been a penalty even if you think the PI was weak.
That bugs me too. Defensive holding should only be called when you tackle a guy like the call on Dunbar. If you can't get your shirt tugged a bit you shouldn't be out there. This is "Professional" football, it's to the point now that receivers should be allowed to run off the LOS completely unmolested, have the right to run their route without any checking or hand play, then have first opportunity to make a complete catch while the DB watches. It's gotten to the point that HOF receivers from the past must just laugh at how easy it is to gain catches and yards now. You use to have to make plays regardless of being covered aggressively, potentially knocked on your ####, with your shirt tugged, hands slapped and being bumped off your route all the way down field.

 
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the NFL apologized to the Lions so there you have it, but 1 call doesn't make void a whole game
This was going to happen regardless. Whether or not it shoulda been a penalty, they handled it poorly.
The defensive holding most certainly should have been a penalty even if you think the PI was weak.
That bugs me too. Defensive holding should only be called when you tackle a guy like the call on Dunbar. If you can't get your shirt tugged a bit you shouldn't be out there. This is "Professional" football, it's to the point now that receivers should be allowed to run off the LOS completely unmolested, have the right to run their route without any checking or hand play, then have first opportunity to make a complete catch while the DB watches. It's gotten to the point that HOF receivers from the past must just laugh at how easy it is to gain catches and yards now. You use to have to make plays regardless of being covered aggressively, potentially knocked on your ####, with your shirt tugged, hands slapped and being bumped off your route all the way down field.
Like it or not, that's today's NFL. That play gets called most times. Especially an obvious tug that pulls the jersey. But whatever, I doubt the NFL is going to change that rule any time soon.

 
the NFL apologized to the Lions so there you have it, but 1 call doesn't make void a whole game
This was going to happen regardless. Whether or not it shoulda been a penalty, they handled it poorly.
The defensive holding most certainly should have been a penalty even if you think the PI was weak.
Again, what about Pettigrew grabbing Hitchens facemask? Why is that not relevant?
Because there was a holding penalty before that that should have been the call. You have no argument, just be happy you got away with a big one and stop looking foolish.

 
the NFL apologized to the Lions so there you have it, but 1 call doesn't make void a whole game
This was going to happen regardless. Whether or not it shoulda been a penalty, they handled it poorly.
The defensive holding most certainly should have been a penalty even if you think the PI was weak.
Again, what about Pettigrew grabbing Hitchens facemask? Why is that not relevant?
So, offsetting and replay the down not an option? Cowboys got away with 3 penalties on one play. You can admit it, the NFL won't take the win away.
Seriously. There was holding, PI, and a moron WR ran on the field to argue w a ref......but Pettigrew touched his facemask somewhere in there!!! Haha.

It will at get corrected in GB.

 
the NFL apologized to the Lions so there you have it, but 1 call doesn't make void a whole game
This was going to happen regardless. Whether or not it shoulda been a penalty, they handled it poorly.
The defensive holding most certainly should have been a penalty even if you think the PI was weak.
Again, what about Pettigrew grabbing Hitchens facemask? Why is that not relevant?
So, offsetting and replay the down not an option? Cowboys got away with 3 penalties on one play. You can admit it, the NFL won't take the win away.
Seriously. There was holding, PI, and a moron WR ran on the field to argue w a ref......but Pettigrew touched his facemask somewhere in there!!! Haha.

It will at get corrected in GB.
There was a clear holding foul on Bush's touchdown run that would have nullified it. It wasn't called. What about that? Will that also get corrected in GB?

 
the NFL apologized to the Lions so there you have it, but 1 call doesn't make void a whole game
This was going to happen regardless. Whether or not it shoulda been a penalty, they handled it poorly.
The defensive holding most certainly should have been a penalty even if you think the PI was weak.
Again, what about Pettigrew grabbing Hitchens facemask? Why is that not relevant?
So, offsetting and replay the down not an option? Cowboys got away with 3 penalties on one play. You can admit it, the NFL won't take the win away.
Seriously. There was holding, PI, and a moron WR ran on the field to argue w a ref......but Pettigrew touched his facemask somewhere in there!!! Haha.

It will at get corrected in GB.
There was a clear holding foul on Bush's touchdown run that would have nullified it. It wasn't called. What about that? Will that also get corrected in GB?
Oh you mean like there was against Suh on the TD pass to go ahead?

Nice try.

 
the NFL apologized to the Lions so there you have it, but 1 call doesn't make void a whole game
This was going to happen regardless. Whether or not it shoulda been a penalty, they handled it poorly.
The defensive holding most certainly should have been a penalty even if you think the PI was weak.
Again, what about Pettigrew grabbing Hitchens facemask? Why is that not relevant?
So, offsetting and replay the down not an option? Cowboys got away with 3 penalties on one play. You can admit it, the NFL won't take the win away.
Seriously. There was holding, PI, and a moron WR ran on the field to argue w a ref......but Pettigrew touched his facemask somewhere in there!!! Haha.

It will at get corrected in GB.
There was a clear holding foul on Bush's touchdown run that would have nullified it. It wasn't called. What about that? Will that also get corrected in GB?
Oh you mean like there was against Suh on the TD pass to go ahead?

Nice try.
It's not a try. Its a fact. Fuller held Moore. You can see the play quite easily on Rewind. Suh was not even close to being held on the go ahead TD. He was bounced around helplessly like a pinball between several o-lineman.

 
the NFL apologized to the Lions so there you have it, but 1 call doesn't make void a whole game
This was going to happen regardless. Whether or not it shoulda been a penalty, they handled it poorly.
The defensive holding most certainly should have been a penalty even if you think the PI was weak.
Again, what about Pettigrew grabbing Hitchens facemask? Why is that not relevant?
So, offsetting and replay the down not an option? Cowboys got away with 3 penalties on one play. You can admit it, the NFL won't take the win away.
Seriously. There was holding, PI, and a moron WR ran on the field to argue w a ref......but Pettigrew touched his facemask somewhere in there!!! Haha.

It will at get corrected in GB.
There was a clear holding foul on Bush's touchdown run that would have nullified it. It wasn't called. What about that? Will that also get corrected in GB?
Oh you mean like there was against Suh on the TD pass to go ahead?

Nice try.
It's not a try. Its a fact. Fuller held Moore. You can see the play quite easily on Rewind. Suh was not even close to being held on the go ahead TD. He was bounced around helplessly like a pinball between several o-lineman.
Suh was held on a TD and even on the sacks. Changing the topic doest change the truth about the game changing disaster by refs.

 
I don't think it was necessarily a bad call, but certainly inconsistent with how they've called it all year. So, yeah, not good.

 
the NFL apologized to the Lions so there you have it, but 1 call doesn't make void a whole game
This was going to happen regardless. Whether or not it shoulda been a penalty, they handled it poorly.
The defensive holding most certainly should have been a penalty even if you think the PI was weak.
Again, what about Pettigrew grabbing Hitchens facemask? Why is that not relevant?
So, offsetting and replay the down not an option? Cowboys got away with 3 penalties on one play. You can admit it, the NFL won't take the win away.
Seriously. There was holding, PI, and a moron WR ran on the field to argue w a ref......but Pettigrew touched his facemask somewhere in there!!! Haha.

It will at get corrected in GB.
There was a clear holding foul on Bush's touchdown run that would have nullified it. It wasn't called. What about that? Will that also get corrected in GB?
Oh you mean like there was against Suh on the TD pass to go ahead?

Nice try.
It's not a try. Its a fact. Fuller held Moore. You can see the play quite easily on Rewind. Suh was not even close to being held on the go ahead TD. He was bounced around helplessly like a pinball between several o-lineman.
Suh was held on a TD and even on the sacks. Changing the topic doest change the truth about the game changing disaster by refs.
There were 3 Dallas TD's and Suh was held on NONE of them. Martin got under his shoulder pads pushing up but it was clearly not holding. There was one TD that was called back for a phantom holding call but we scored on that possession anyway which is what GOOD teams do. They overcome the refs and take care of business. The Lions forgot how to do that.

 
That said, the call did happen and if you watch the play from all angles there were fouls on both players. Petigrew DID grab Hitch's facemask and Hitch although did a great job selling his coverage, grabbed his shoulder on the route and did enough to warrant a flag. However, if you're honest with yourself and have any kind of football purest in your blood, that play had no business deciding a football game of that magnitude. There is no way Detroit should have needed to pin there hope of winning that game on a referee throwing a flag. Petigrew was covered, had no chance of catching the ball because Hitch did a great job of being in the position that he was. Think back to when football was about making real plays despite rough play. Back when you couldn't depend on PI and PFs to bail you out. When players had to play football and WR actually had to get open, catch the ball knowing they could get knocked out, a time where the defender had as much right to the ball as the WR.
football purism and honesty with yourself have nothing to do with it. neither does looking back at various points in the history of the NFL . what does matter are the rules of today, and that was the definition of PI

 
I don't think it was necessarily a bad call, but certainly inconsistent with how they've called it all year. So, yeah, not good.
The game itself had inconsistent calls. One example is when Dallas got called for running into the kicker, and then Detroit did the same thing, but didn't get called for it. Anyway, that controversial PI call did not decide the game, and Detroit did get the ball back with 2 1/2 minutes left.

 
That said, we can all agree the Lions should have went for it on the next play. Only a coward punts it in that situation, especially after the screw job from the refs.
This seems to be a majority view and I thinks it's simply wrong. It's easy to say they should have gone for it knowing now that the punter would shank it for only 10 yds. Det was playing great D up to that point. You'd have to think they like their chances with their D and pinning them back.
Its more reckless to punt it in that situation than to go for it, even if its a good punt. It's not just some stats nerd theory or message board bro science, its been proven time and time again in the regular season and playoffs. Yet most NFL coaches think it is far less risky to punt in that spot, even though it actually lowers their chances of winning.

 
There are some sensitive butt hurt Eagles fans in here.

Seriously, you guys should get over the fact your wheels fell off, and try to get it fixed, instead of blaming the car that beat you.

Some of the stuff being thrown out like, "Well it's all good, cause the Cowboys will draft lower than us!" Is pathetic.

#1) you would all trade places with us if you could

#2) it's not like you have been nailing those draft picks anyway, that a 2 position increase is going to send fear in the NFC East.

Take it like a man, and move on.

 
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That said, we can all agree the Lions should have went for it on the next play. Only a coward punts it in that situation, especially after the screw job from the refs.
This seems to be a majority view and I thinks it's simply wrong. It's easy to say they should have gone for it knowing now that the punter would shank it for only 10 yds. Det was playing great D up to that point. You'd have to think they like their chances with their D and pinning them back.
Its more reckless to punt it in that situation than to go for it, even if its a good punt. It's not just some stats nerd theory or message board bro science, its been proven time and time again in the regular season and playoffs. Yet most NFL coaches think it is far less risky to punt in that spot, even though it actually lowers their chances of winning.
False. When you have Detroit's defense and the lead, statistically it is better to punt in that situation (assuming it doesn't get shanked 98% of the time)

 
There are some sensitive butt hurt Eagles fans in here.

Seriously, you guys should get over the fact your wheels fell off, and try to get it fixed, instead of blaming the car that beat you.

Some of the stuff being thrown out like, "Well it's all good, cause the Cowboys will draft lower than us!" Is pathetic.

#1) you would all trade places with us if you could

#2) it's not like you have been nailing those draft picks anyway, that a 2 position increase is going to send fear in the NFC East.

Take it like a man, and move on.
Most eagles fans are trolls

 
the NFL apologized to the Lions so there you have it, but 1 call doesn't make void a whole game
This was going to happen regardless. Whether or not it shoulda been a penalty, they handled it poorly.
The defensive holding most certainly should have been a penalty even if you think the PI was weak.
Again, what about Pettigrew grabbing Hitchens facemask? Why is that not relevant?
So, offsetting and replay the down not an option? Cowboys got away with 3 penalties on one play. You can admit it, the NFL won't take the win away.
Seriously. There was holding, PI, and a moron WR ran on the field to argue w a ref......but Pettigrew touched his facemask somewhere in there!!! Haha.

It will at get corrected in GB.
This post only proves that you're completely unbiased in your assessment of the play. Obviously I'm unbiased as well.

Look, there was contact by both players. In real time, the whole thing happened very quickly. And it wasn't just a "touch" of the facemask. He held onto it. Then the refs botched the whole thing obviously.

Those who are going back over the game tape to point out penalties that weren't called on the Cowboys really need to get a life. You could prolly find a penalty on every play of every game if you look hard enough.

It was a poorly officiated game. And it wasn't one-sided. This game is over. Time to move onto Lambeau.

 
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That's the thing...if they missed the call fine. If they called opposing fouls, fine. But they picked up a flag and didn't say anything about it...that's a problem.

 

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