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BREAKING - JOSH NORMAN FREE AGENT (1 Viewer)

Richard Sherman signed his deal starting in 2014 (same as Talib) and got $15M more guaranteed and averaged $14M per season compared to just under $10M per for Talib. Peterson also signed in 2014 for $14M per and had $20M more guaranteed. Talib's contract wasn't massive and was blown out of the water the same offseason.

Sure, the Redskins can get out of the contract after 2 seasons after paying him $18M+ per year.

Yes there have been great CBs on Super Bowl teams. As you said there are great everythings on SB teams. The Panthera have drafted really well lately, hence the three year playoff run and the 17-2 season last year. The only downside is that you can't pay every player top position money. They wanted to keep him at something between Talib and Sherman but Norman wanted to be paid the most. He deserved it and I'm glad he got paid because he was a really old rookie. Carolina realized there was no way they'd sign him long term and decided to use the $14M to sign the younger guys to keep them playoff bound for years. They've had top pass Ds before Norman with spare parts. That's there philosophy but they did want Norman long term. 
I think everyone understands that the Panthers were not giving him that type of money long term (5 year deal or whatever), I think however that some of us are in a flux as to why they didnt lean on him for one more year at the franchise pay.  We were in good shape with the cap even with his hefty number.  I trust DG but something here doesnt make sense.  Drafting well or not we are not going to replace Norman in this draft.  Not for the 2016 season anyway.

 
Josh Norman on the Redskins... SWEET! Now we get to watch the OBJ-Norman show twice per year. (Although, Norman prefers first billing  :D )

O / U on combined suspensions next year?

 
Talib signed for 3 years at $8.5M per year or almost half of Norman's deal. We'll see what Denver does in 2017 when he gets to $12M per year and the cap hit to cut him is negligible.

Carolina wanted to resign him and was willing to give him top CB this year but he didn't sign the tender. They weren't willing to give him > #1 CB money for 5 years at 29. 
He's 28

 
Yes, I know. He'll be 28 and 9 months at the start of the season and 29 before the season ends.

ETA: I'll explain my thoughts since I've been reminder about this before. I think of football age as the age you are/turn in that season. It reminds me of the way youth sports work and makes sense to me since we are 5 months from the start of the season so I don't think about a person's age right now.

 
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Breakdown of the deal from Washington Post

The tweet that stunned the NFL on Wednesday was published at 5:02 p.m. For Josh Norman, the news arrived through a phone call. The cornerback was driving back from his step sister’s funeral when his main agent at the time, Michael George, notified Norman that the Carolina Panthers rescinded his non-exclusive franchise tag. One of the top cornerbacks in the NFL had hit the market six weeks into free agency, eight days before the draft and on an already emotional day.

What transpired over the next 48 hours begat yet another unexpected, and significant, addition to the Washington Redskins for the third straight offseason. Norman, meanwhile, received financial stability at a price the Panthers refused to pay. On the surface, it has the feeling of a classic splash acquisition by Redskins owner Daniel Snyder — a five-year deal worth $75 million. But more went on behind the scenes to suggest this addition was different.

The Redskins ditched their conservative offseason approach and devised an aggressive plan to acquire the 28-year-old cornerback, people with knowledge of the situation told The Post under the condition of anonymity. For two hectic days, Washington threw every resource at Norman, hoping to address a significant need in the secondary. And it worked.

It began with Carolina’s unanticipated move that immediately made Norman an unrestricted free agent. Panthers general manager Dave Gettleman and director of team administration Rob Rogers had attempted to negotiate a long-term deal with George for more than a year, especially after Carolina applied the non-exclusive franchise tag on March 1. Norman was coming off a season in which he was arguably the best cornerback in the NFL, earning Pro Bowl and first-team all-pro nods for the first time in his career.

Following a significant jump of the salary cap, George sought a five-year deal averaging around $16 million per season, which would eclipse Darrelle Revis’s five-year, $70 million deal with the New York Jets last offseason. The Panthers instead offered a five-year deal worth $11 million to 12 million per year, according to a person with knowledge of the situation. Carolina has established an environment of re-signing its core players, but it has placed greater emphasis on the front seven than the secondary. The Panthers didn’t want to invest $75 million into a cornerback with defensive tackles Kawann Short and Star Lotulelei and linebacker A.J. Klein all entering the final year of their rookie deals.

Both sides did not budge. Separated by nearly $25 million, Norman’s agent received permission from the Panthers to seek a trade. Norman drew interest from a few teams, including the San Francisco 49ers and the Los Angeles Rams, but ultimately didn’t secure deal.

“When we decided to place the franchise tag on Josh, we were fine with him signing it and then working on a long-term deal,” Gettleman said in a statement during his pre-draft press conference with local reporters on Thursday. “As we got deeper in conversations, we realized there was a significant difference in our thoughts and theirs. The intervening weeks gave us additional time to evaluate where we are going as a franchise. With the realization that a deal was not going to get done, our internal conversations kept leading us to the fact that the one-year deal was becoming less and less attractive.”

The news blindsided Norman. He was not informed about how far apart George and the Panthers stood on a long-term deal and at least figured he would be on the team in 2016.

As a last-ditch effort, Norman called the Panthers in attempt to find a resolution. He said that he would fire his agent and sign the franchise tender, according to a person with knowledge of the situation, but the paperwork to rescind the franchise tender had already been filed to the league by that point. Many on the Panthers coaching staff weren’t aware of the move either, according to two people with knowledge of the situation. They even questioned whether there was something beyond football that caused the team to move on from its top cornerback.

Once the Panthers announced the news, 11 teams expressed interest in the Coastal Carolina product. Behind the scenes, Norman was looking for another agent to represent him and hired Ryan Williams. He intended to fire George, according to two people with knowledge of the situation, and the paperwork was filed to the NFL Players Association, according to NFL Network, but Williams and George were legally co-representatives. The logistics allowed Norman to avoid waiting five days to finalize a deal with an NFL team, although Williams ran the show.

The Redskins were one of the 11 teams. Wednesday afternoon’s news didn’t only surprise the cornerback, but it also “shocked” everyone at Redskins Park as well, insiders said.

At times, teams hear rumblings of an impending divorce between a player and franchise before news becomes public knowledge. But that wasn’t the case with Carolina and Norman. Once they learned of the turn of events, however, Redskins officials wasted little time assessing the situation and formulating a plan.

The way things work within the franchise under Scot McCloughan, the general manager serves as the chief talent evaluator. McCloughan, Coach Jay Gruden and his assistants and team president Bruce Allen will confer, although McCloughan can and has overruled their opinions. McCloughan makes the final call on which players to pursue, and Allen and chief negotiator Eric Schaffer make it happen. Snyder, meanwhile, is kept abreast of plans, people within the organization said, but no longer is a key member of discussion meetings.

All of the team’s decision makers held the same stance on Norman, however, people within the organization said.

A Redskins’ pursuit of Norman proved surprising because McCloughan strongly believes in using the NFL draft to build the roster, and typically eschews relying on free agency. During March’s busiest shopping period, Washington sat idle as the top free agents came and went. But there are always exceptions, and McCloughan viewed Norman as an elite player at a position ofgreat need.

Washington has one ascending cornerback in Bashaud Breeland. However, the would-be starter opposite him — Chris Culliver, whom Washington signed last offseason to a contract that pays him $8 million a year — is coming off of the second reconstructive knee surgery of his career, and may not return to full strength by the start of the season. The Redskins hold the 21st pick in the draft, however, the top cornerbacks all could be gone by then.

Because of their conservative approach in free agency, the Redskins still had some cap space — roughly $12 million — and also had moves they could make to create more financial flexibility. And so, with McCloughan giving the green light, Allen and Schaffer took over.

Allen comprised the plan on how to woo Norman, while Schaffer began crunching numbers to figure out what type of contract would both satisfy the cornerback, and also avoid wrecking the Redskins’ salary cap.

Allen made initial contact with Norman, expressing the team’s desire to bring him to Washington, and even rushed him a custom made No. 24 Redskins jersey to Norman’s Atlanta home, the player said on the team’s television show, “Redskins Nation.”

By Thursday evening, Norman’s agent had the framework of an offer from Schaffer, and Allen had orchestrated a plan for a meeting the next day between team officials and the cornerback.

Friday morning, pilots fired up Snyder’s private Jet, “Redskins One,” and flew defensive coordinator Joe Barry and defensive backs coach Perry Fewell to Atlanta. The coaches and Redskins safety DeAngelo Hall, who also lives in Atlanta, held an initial meeting with Norman to sell him on coming to the team. And then Barry, Fewell, Norman, Williams, his publicist and several close family members who were with Norman because of the funeral all flew back to Dulles Airport. The entourage arrived at Redskins Park in a fleet of black Suburbans by 1:45 p.m.

Redskins officials were determined not to let Norman leave headquarters without a contract. And by setting up a private flight for him, they ensured that time constraints wouldn’t cause the cornerback to cut the visit short to catch a commercial flight back to Atlanta.

Once inside the facility, Norman expressed disbelief over the whirlwind of events, recording a video message that he disbursed over social media. “Man, what a day to be alive,” the cornerback said to begin the greeting.

Roughly six hours later, the Redskins had achieved their goal, as Norman put pen to paper on a contract that will pay him a guaranteed $36 million over the next two years and features additional options that could pay him up to $75 million over five. Norman, his crew and Redskins officials celebrated. Norman’s publicist posted photographs on social media that featured the cornerback posing with everyone from Gruden, to Barry and family members as they reveled in the new union. Snyder, who team insiders say had welcomed Norman to Redskins Park, but stayed out of the way during the initial planning meetings and negotiations, also resurfaced to join the festivities and pose in a group photo.

Just after 11 p.m., Redskins One took to the air again, taking the newest member of the team back to Atlanta.

The Redskins now have their starting cornerback tandem in Norman and Breeland. But it remains to be seen what will happen with Culliver, whose $8 million contract is not guaranteed and now could be dispensable. However, the move seems to have positioned coaches to proceed with the plan to transition Will Blackmon, who started 10 games at cornerback last season, to safety.

The Norman signing also gives Washington greater flexibility entering this week’s draft.

With cornerback no longer a dire need, the team can concentrate on other positions, including defensive line, safety, inside linebacker, pass rusher, center and running back. Having met one big need in the secondary, the team also has greater flexibility to trade down and acquire more draft picks to round out the roster.

This marks the third straight offseason in which Washington has successfully pursued a top-level player who unexpectedly became available after falling out of favor with his team.

In 2014, nearly three weeks after the initial thrust of free agency, the Philadelphia Eagles released top wide receiver DeSean Jackson. Washington signed him days later. Despite playing with three quarterbacks in 2014, Jackson led the NFL in yards per catch his first season with Washington. He missed time with injury last season, but when healthy, provided game-changing ability to an otherwise-conservative offensive attack.

Last July, when the New Orleans Saints abruptly cut pass rusher Junior Galette, who had recorded 22 sacks over the previous two seasons, Washington pounced, signing him to a one-year deal a day into training camp.

However, the team has yet to receive a return on that investment because only weeks later, Galette ruptured his Achilles’ tendon and missed the entire season. Last month, he re-signed with Washington, and coaches believe that a healthy Galette will pair with Ryan Kerrigan to give the team the top-flight pass-rushing tandem it has long needed.

This season they will see if such a pass rush, plus the addition of one of the game’s top cornerbacks in Norman, takes their defense – and ultimately their team – to the next level.

 
One thing in the article above that is a good note is that Carolina has been trying to extend Norman for over a year. They actually tried to extend him before the 2015 season, but Norman (correctly) bet on himself and turned down the pre-2015 extension. Most people don't realize how long the Panthers have worked on trying to extend him. If we hadn't tried it last off season as well, maybe we would have hung onto him longer this off season.

 
Yes, I know. He'll be 28 and 9 months at the start of the season and 29 before the season ends.

ETA: I'll explain my thoughts since I've been reminder about this before. I think of football age as the age you are/turn in that season. It reminds me of the way youth sports work and makes sense to me since we are 5 months from the start of the season so I don't think about a person's age right now.
He's 28 for 82% of the season. Not to mention all the OTAs and Training Camp.

 
He's 28 for 82% of the season. Not to mention all the OTAs and Training Camp.
OK, and? It is what it is. As I mentioned in the Redskins thread people gradually deteriorate. He doesn't magically turn a year older the day of his birthday. I am not going to argue semantics. I say 29 because he will be 29 during the season. If you want to call him 28, feel free. There isn't anything to argue. It isn't like he is going to be play better 82% of the season.

 
stbugs said:
OK, and? It is what it is. As I mentioned in the Redskins thread people gradually deteriorate. He doesn't magically turn a year older the day of his birthday. I am not going to argue semantics. I say 29 because he will be 29 during the season. If you want to call him 28, feel free. There isn't anything to argue. It isn't like he is going to be play better 82% of the season.
Yeah, no #### people age throughout the year. Everyone knows that. In the meantime we, as a societey, have all decided to use the birthday as a reference point of our ages until the next birthday, at which point we count up one year. We have chosen to use years instead of months or days for simplicity's sake. We do this with full understanding of the point I made earlier that we unserstand how aging process works.

 
Yeah, no #### people age throughout the year. Everyone knows that. In the meantime we, as a societey, have all decided to use the birthday as a reference point of our ages until the next birthday, at which point we count up one year. We have chosen to use years instead of months or days for simplicity's sake. We do this with full understanding of the point I made earlier that we unserstand how aging process works.
OK, I will continue to call him 29 because I don't care how old he is in the off season. Not sure why this matters so much to you. I use "age at or turned during the actual season" as my reference point because someone who turns 28 during training camp is basically a year younger than someone who is 28 and turns 29 in December. Call it an effective age for football or feel free to use whatever age breakdown you want.

 
OK, I will continue to call him 29 because I don't care how old he is in the off season. Not sure why this matters so much to you. I use "age at or turned during the actual season" as my reference point because someone who turns 28 during training camp is basically a year younger than someone who is 28 and turns 29 in December. Call it an effective age for football or feel free to use whatever age breakdown you want.


You do whatever the hell you want in your head. But when you post matter of factly that someone is 29 when they are in fact 28, you look like you are either ignorant or purposely trying to be deceitful. Your call. 

 
You do whatever the hell you want in your head. But when you post matter of factly that someone is 29 when they are in fact 28, you look like you are either ignorant or purposely trying to be deceitful. Your call. 
LOL, I don't know why some people get so damn personal and get upset. Have fun with your life sometimes. I already explained multiple times why I consider him 29. I DGAF how old he is in April, OK? Geez, go away and troll somewhere else because I know exactly when his birthday is and how old he'll be in season. I don't need a board cop to tell me I'm wrong when I know exactly what I am posting and have already explained in multiple times. Life goes on and if you don't like my explanation, I don't care.

 
I round up to the nearest decade, so in my eyes Norman turned 30 three years ago. 
Lol. Nice, he turned 30 his rookie season. At least he wasn't 30 at the draft like Weeden. 

By the way, I'll get out of here since you Redskin fans think I'm trying to be deceitful, no idea why since I was one who said in the Redskins thread that he's a great player I'd love to have but know we can't afford at his asking price. Oh well.

 
LOL, I don't know why some people get so damn personal and get upset. Have fun with your life sometimes. I already explained multiple times why I consider him 29. I DGAF how old he is in April, OK? Geez, go away and troll somewhere else because I know exactly when his birthday is and how old he'll be in season. I don't need a board cop to tell me I'm wrong when I know exactly what I am posting and have already explained in multiple times. Life goes on and if you don't like my explanation, I don't care.


You have to understand that you are not using age the way the rest of the entire world does when you post that he is 29. If you don't explain your weird method every time you post you sound ignorant or deceitful. That's just fact. I don't really care. Just letting you know.  

It really is a weird method you have though. If he was born 3 weeks later he'd finish the season at 28. Yet, here you are... Weird. But we don't need to get in to that. You seem pretty cocksure about it. 

 
You have to understand that you are not using age the way the rest of the entire world does when you post that he is 29. If you don't explain your weird method every time you post you sound ignorant or deceitful. That's just fact. I don't really care. Just letting you know.  

It really is a weird method you have though. If he was born 3 weeks later he'd finish the season at 28. Yet, here you are... Weird. But we don't need to get in to that. You seem pretty cocksure about it. 
Don't see cocksure used much, but honestly I would have likely mentioned that he will be 28 during the season but turns 29 soon after. I am happy to explain my reasoning and I did so in multiple thread, so maybe I forgot to put an asterisk by every post because I was in the Panthers thread, Redskins thread and this thread. I mentioned his age because a lot of people don't realize how old he is (bicycleseatsniffer actually replied in one of the threads that he in fact didn't realize how old he was) and what might be driving his and/or the Panthers motivations. You don't see many guys coming out of their 4 year rookie contract only to turn 29* during their first season of their 2nd contract.

It just got annoying for you to actually say I was being deceitful. WTF reason would I have to do that? I said in multiple places I would have loved to have him on Carolina and that I was upset that he wasn't going to be. I also have faith in our GM/management because they have earned it and that I felt he wasn't going to be a Panther after 2016. He wanted top dollar not only because of his ego, but because he will be 29 this season and this is his only big time deal as he will turn 33 in the last year of the deal. Carolina offered him $11M per and he won't be able to make up the difference signing a third deal like a rookie who came out of college at 21 instead of 24.

* For full disclosure, Joshua Norman was born on December 15, 1987 in the small town of Greenwood, SC to Roy and Sandra Norman under a beautiful Carolina blue sky.

 
Have we really reached the point where it's an argument to determine whether the number "28" is 28 or 29?
Dear lord, not so sure why the #### this is such a big deal. Hey, I posted in 3 different threads, so sue me if I didn't qualify it every single effing time. Maybe I missed it. Pretty sure I said a number of times that he turns 29 this season. Not sure how I can be more clear. You guys sure do get your jollies off trolling people and acting like you caught me in a mistake.

Plenty of people didn't realize he was 28 years, 4 months and 10 days old today and at least one well known poster replied that. Not too many guys coming off their rookie deal at that age. Eff being helpful and informative anymore.

 
How do we see his coverage splits working out this weekend? Theilen to be in slot more than diggs? Does it matter if he shadows diggs? 

 
How do we see his coverage splits working out this weekend? Theilen to be in slot more than diggs? Does it matter if he shadows diggs? 
He hasn't been shadowing anybody. Breeland has been playing great on the other side. Fuller in the slot as well. 

 
Free Agent again:

Redskins released CB Josh Norman.

Norman's release was a no-brainer for the Redskins, who will absorb $3 million in dead money while saving $12.5 million against the cap. After the Panthers rescinded his franchise tag in 2016, Norman cashed in by landing a five-year, $75-million windfall from the Redskins, at that time the NFL high-water mark among cornerbacks. He never came close to living up to his huge contract, underachieving throughout his four-year tenure in the nation's capital. The brash 32-year-old was a massive liability in 2019, garnering PFF's 12th-worst coverage grade out of 128 positional qualifiers. He barely played down the stretch, falling behind Fabian Moreau in the Redskins' pecking order. The one-time Pro Bowler could be an interesting reclamation project if he finds the right home, though obviously Norman isn't the lockdown presence he once was.

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Washington Redskins

SOURCE: Mike Garafolo on Twitter

Feb 14, 2020, 9:38 AM ET

 
ESPN's Marcel Louis-Jacques suggests the Bills as a landing spot for free agent Josh Norman.

This is dot-connecting, as Norman played for Sean McDermott during their time in Carolina. The Bills are in the market for a No. 2 corner with Levi Wallace and Kevin Johnson both free agents, so Norman to Buffalo makes some sense. After a disastrous 2019, Norman should settle for a prove-it deal this offseason.

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Buffalo Bills

SOURCE: Marcel Louis-Jacques on Twitter

Feb 14, 2020, 7:12 PM ET
 
Seems like they are paying him about $5.95 million more than he's worth. Complete garbage in DC the last few seasons....
Remains to be seen if that’s more a reflection of Norman or Washington.

One huge difference is that Buffalo plays mostly zone while Washington played almost exclusively man. Norman seems more suited to zone IMO.

McDermott has had pretty good success with DBs. I’m not sure a 32 year old DB is really a solution, but a $6M one year deal isn’t a huge swing

 
It wasn’t DC, he is awful, can’t believe the Bills went after him.  Maybe they liked his running of the bulls video.

 
Remains to be seen if that’s more a reflection of Norman or Washington.

One huge difference is that Buffalo plays mostly zone while Washington played almost exclusively man. Norman seems more suited to zone IMO.

McDermott has had pretty good success with DBs. I’m not sure a 32 year old DB is really a solution, but a $6M one year deal isn’t a huge swing
I don't think it was Washington, but you do bring up a good point, he is definitely much more suited to play zone now. 

 
Remains to be seen if that’s more a reflection of Norman or Washington.

One huge difference is that Buffalo plays mostly zone while Washington played almost exclusively man. Norman seems more suited to zone IMO.

McDermott has had pretty good success with DBs. I’m not sure a 32 year old DB is really a solution, but a $6M one year deal isn’t a huge swing
This is where I am too.  Norman gives us some additional depth this year -- I'd definitely rather have him playing snaps at CB than Isaiah McKenzie.  If the stars align, maybe he has a bounce-back year, but if not it's no big deal.  I fully expect that we'll continue to address CB probably both in FA and the draft.    

 
IvanKaramazov said:
If the stars align, maybe he has a bounce-back year, but if not it's no big deal.  I fully expect that we'll continue to address CB probably both in FA and the draft.    
I haven't read anything about any signing bonus or guaranteed money so I'm not sure if there is any downside for the Bills at all. Especially given the fact it's a one year contract and the amount of cap space the Bills have this year. Never heard anything about the signing bonus or guaranteed money so there's even the chance they could part ways if he truly is completely cooked and/or they have good fortune in the draft/FA to upgrade the position.

 

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