Brees on pace to break Marino's record from 1984 (1 Viewer)

[gianmarco]

So in reality, what else does Brees have to shoot for over the next two games?Why not let him go for as much as he can against Detroit to see how much he'd need next week?

So what is the thought on this angle? Saints could easily run it on Detroit, get up big and just play conservative, or they could unleash Brees. It would seem without a playoff shot, and still being able to win the game throwing- that Payton and Brees would want to be part of history...

Racking up passing stats in meaningless games against 0-14 teams doesn't exactly count as "being part of history." I'd be disappointed if Marino's record falls to that kind of crap.

First 14 weeks down?

 

[CalBear]

So in reality, what else does Brees have to shoot for over the next two games?Why not let him go for as much as he can against Detroit to see how much he'd need next week?

So what is the thought on this angle? Saints could easily run it on Detroit, get up big and just play conservative, or they could unleash Brees. It would seem without a playoff shot, and still being able to win the game throwing- that Payton and Brees would want to be part of history...

Racking up passing stats in meaningless games against 0-14 teams doesn't exactly count as "being part of history." I'd be disappointed if Marino's record falls to that kind of crap.

First 14 weeks down?

Brees is off Marino's pace in the first 14 weeks, and has only managed to lead the team to a 7-7 record and will miss the playoffs. Marino won his first 11 games in 1984, and performed well even in the team's losses. Brees has 9 TDs and 13 INTs in the seven Saints losses. Marino's season was significantly more impressive than Brees'.

 

[gianmarco]

So in reality, what else does Brees have to shoot for over the next two games?Why not let him go for as much as he can against Detroit to see how much he'd need next week?

So what is the thought on this angle? Saints could easily run it on Detroit, get up big and just play conservative, or they could unleash Brees. It would seem without a playoff shot, and still being able to win the game throwing- that Payton and Brees would want to be part of history...

Racking up passing stats in meaningless games against 0-14 teams doesn't exactly count as "being part of history." I'd be disappointed if Marino's record falls to that kind of crap.

First 14 weeks down?

Brees is off Marino's pace in the first 14 weeks, and has only managed to lead the team to a 7-7 record and will miss the playoffs. Marino won his first 11 games in 1984, and performed well even in the team's losses. Brees has 9 TDs and 13 INTs in the seven Saints losses. Marino's season was significantly more impressive than Brees'.

No one is trying to say Brees' season in 2008 is > Marino's in 1984. Just a question of whether he throws for more yds. And he may be off the pace now, but that JUST happened as he's been well on pace to go over for almost the entire season (up until 2 weeks ago, I think). To say that just because he racks up garbage yards vs. Detroit that his breaking the record "isn't part of history" makes no sense to me. While it's been in a losing effort, the #'s Brees has put up in the passing game this year in terms of yardage are pretty amazing, especially considering he did most of it without Colston, without Shockey, and even without Bush. He's had guys like Lance Moore and Devery Henderson to work with and STILL put up spectacular #'s.

 

[Chase Stuart]

So in reality, what else does Brees have to shoot for over the next two games?Why not let him go for as much as he can against Detroit to see how much he'd need next week?

So what is the thought on this angle? Saints could easily run it on Detroit, get up big and just play conservative, or they could unleash Brees. It would seem without a playoff shot, and still being able to win the game throwing- that Payton and Brees would want to be part of history...

Racking up passing stats in meaningless games against 0-14 teams doesn't exactly count as "being part of history." I'd be disappointed if Marino's record falls to that kind of crap.

First 14 weeks down?

Brees is off Marino's pace in the first 14 weeks, and has only managed to lead the team to a 7-7 record and will miss the playoffs. Marino won his first 11 games in 1984, and performed well even in the team's losses. Brees has 9 TDs and 13 INTs in the seven Saints losses. Marino's season was significantly more impressive than Brees'.

Most passing yards != most impressive

 

[CalBear]

Most passing yards != most impressive

I am hoping that Brees does not break Marino's record, because he would do it without having had a very successful season. The numbers are empty. The numbers would be particularly empty if he puts up 400 yards against Detroit in a 42-10 win.

 

[KingEl]

So in reality, what else does Brees have to shoot for over the next two games?Why not let him go for as much as he can against Detroit to see how much he'd need next week?

So what is the thought on this angle? Saints could easily run it on Detroit, get up big and just play conservative, or they could unleash Brees. It would seem without a playoff shot, and still being able to win the game throwing- that Payton and Brees would want to be part of history...

Racking up passing stats in meaningless games against 0-14 teams doesn't exactly count as "being part of history." I'd be disappointed if Marino's record falls to that kind of crap.

So you don't think Marino racked up any of his yardage against overmatched teams?? I'm sure he only threw it against the good teams he played. You play who you play..... If Brees gets the record- against the quality of athlete in the NFL- he deserves it.

 

[gianmarco]

Most passing yards != most impressive

I am hoping that Brees does not break Marino's record, because he would do it without having had a very successful season. The numbers are empty. The numbers would be particularly empty if he puts up 400 yards against Detroit in a 42-10 win.

Empty and disappointing like Barry Sanders just because his team didn't have a very successful season in 1997. I know he ran for 2053 yds, but the team sucked, so those #'s are pretty empty, right?

 

[CalBear]

So in reality, what else does Brees have to shoot for over the next two games?Why not let him go for as much as he can against Detroit to see how much he'd need next week?

So what is the thought on this angle? Saints could easily run it on Detroit, get up big and just play conservative, or they could unleash Brees. It would seem without a playoff shot, and still being able to win the game throwing- that Payton and Brees would want to be part of history...

Racking up passing stats in meaningless games against 0-14 teams doesn't exactly count as "being part of history." I'd be disappointed if Marino's record falls to that kind of crap.

So you don't think Marino racked up any of his yardage against overmatched teams?? I'm sure he only threw it against the good teams he played. You play who you play..... If Brees gets the record- against the quality of athlete in the NFL- he deserves it.

Game 1: 311 yards against Washington (11-5)Game 2: 269 yards against New England (9-7)Game 3: 296 yards against Buffalo (2-12)Game 4: 260 yards against Indy (4-12)Game 5: 429 yards against St. Louis (9-7)Game 6: 226 yards against Pittsburgh (9-7)Game 7: 321 yards against Houston (3-13)Game 8: 316 yards against New England (9-7)Game 9: 306 yards against Buffalo (2-12)Game 10: 422 yards against NYJ (7-9)Game 11: 246 yards against Philly (6-9-1)Game 12: 338 yards against San Diego (7-9)Game 13: 192 yards against NYJ (7-9)Game 14: 470 yards against LA Raiders (11-5)Game 15: 404 yards against Indy (4-12)Game 16: 304 yards against Dallas (9-7)Marino had 4 400-yard games, only 1 against a bad team (combined record 31-33). He had 6 more 300-yard games, 3 against good teams, 3 against bad teams (combined record 41-53). He had 6 games with less than 300 yards, four against average teams, two against bad teams (combined record 37-56-1)So Marino had his best games against his best competition while going 14-2. Brees, if he beats the record by running up the stats on Detroit, will have had his best games against his worst competition, while going (at best) 9-7.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Brees has been one of the five best QBs in the NFL this year; I think you're crazy if you blame the number of Saints losses on him.

 

[CalBear]

Most passing yards != most impressive

I am hoping that Brees does not break Marino's record, because he would do it without having had a very successful season. The numbers are empty. The numbers would be particularly empty if he puts up 400 yards against Detroit in a 42-10 win.

Empty and disappointing like Barry Sanders just because his team didn't have a very successful season in 1997. I know he ran for 2053 yds, but the team sucked, so those #'s are pretty empty, right?

Detroit went to the playoffs that year, largely because of Barry's season. Barry rushed for 322 yards in the last two games, both against teams with winning records, in games that Detroit won by 1 and 3 points, respectively.

 

[CalBear]

Brees has been one of the five best QBs in the NFL this year; I think you're crazy if you blame the number of Saints losses on him.

I'm not blaming the Saints losses on Brees, just pointing out that his season is pretty weak compared to the best QB seasons in history (including Marino's). In 1984, would anyone have said that "Marino has been one of the five best QBs in the NFL this year"? No, they'd say "this is one of the most amazing seasons in NFL history." That's what history is about.

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

Most passing yards != most impressive

I am hoping that Brees does not break Marino's record, because he would do it without having had a very successful season. The numbers are empty. The numbers would be particularly empty if he puts up 400 yards against Detroit in a 42-10 win.

...Dan?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Honestly, of all of the NFL records that are out there, most passing yards in a season is not even close to the top of my list of the most impressive ones. Anyone else agree?

 

[gianmarco]

So in reality, what else does Brees have to shoot for over the next two games?Why not let him go for as much as he can against Detroit to see how much he'd need next week?

So what is the thought on this angle? Saints could easily run it on Detroit, get up big and just play conservative, or they could unleash Brees. It would seem without a playoff shot, and still being able to win the game throwing- that Payton and Brees would want to be part of history...

Racking up passing stats in meaningless games against 0-14 teams doesn't exactly count as "being part of history." I'd be disappointed if Marino's record falls to that kind of crap.

So you don't think Marino racked up any of his yardage against overmatched teams?? I'm sure he only threw it against the good teams he played. You play who you play..... If Brees gets the record- against the quality of athlete in the NFL- he deserves it.

Game 1: 311 yards against Washington (11-5)Game 2: 269 yards against New England (9-7)Game 3: 296 yards against Buffalo (2-12)Game 4: 260 yards against Indy (4-12)Game 5: 429 yards against St. Louis (9-7)Game 6: 226 yards against Pittsburgh (9-7)Game 7: 321 yards against Houston (3-13)Game 8: 316 yards against New England (9-7)Game 9: 306 yards against Buffalo (2-12)Game 10: 422 yards against NYJ (7-9)Game 11: 246 yards against Philly (6-9-1)Game 12: 338 yards against San Diego (7-9)Game 13: 192 yards against NYJ (7-9)Game 14: 470 yards against LA Raiders (11-5)Game 15: 404 yards against Indy (4-12)Game 16: 304 yards against Dallas (9-7)Marino had 4 400-yard games, only 1 against a bad team (combined record 31-33). He had 6 more 300-yard games, 3 against good teams, 3 against bad teams (combined record 41-53). He had 6 games with less than 300 yards, four against average teams, two against bad teams (combined record 37-56-1)So Marino had his best games against his best competition while going 14-2. Brees, if he beats the record by running up the stats on Detroit, will have had his best games against his worst competition, while going (at best) 9-7.

Have you looked at the records of the teams Brees has faced? Of his 14 opponents, only 5 have losing records (SD 6-8, GB 5-9, SF 5-9, Oak 3-11, KC 2-12). From your list above, Miami faced NINE teams with losing records. So what are you trying to prove by showing their records? The point is he put up the #'s and he's put up #'s against all teams. TB is one of the best defenses in the league and he threw for 296 and 343 yds against them. He's done it all year. What's the difference if he would have faced Detroit in week 2 instead of week 15. Your argument makes no sense. You're essentially stating that a record made on a losing team isn't really a "real" record. I think the fact that he's put up these #'s on such a "poor" team is even more amazing, especially considering what he had to work with all year at the WR/TE position. If Patrick Willis shatters the total tackles record while playing on a crappy SF team doesn't make his record "empty" because he didn't lead his team to the playoffs as a result of it or because he got to play a certain level of competition. The fact of the matter is that these individual records are there and there's a reason that Marino's record has stood as long as it has. It's because it's amazingly difficult to throw for that many yards no matter who you get to play. If rolling up 400 yds passing on Detroit helps get him there then so be it, it doesn't change his accomplishment at all just like Marino's isn't changed by throwing for 404 yds vs. a 4-12 Indy team in week 15 or for 422 yds against a 7-9 NYJ team.

 

[Power Monster]

Any time a player has a shot at breaking a record like this that player should be going all out to get it if it is within reach. Records, schedule or anything else does not matter.

 

[5x champ]

Any time a player has a shot at breaking a record like this that player should be going all out to get it if it is within reach. Records, schedule or anything else does not matter.

Yes, you're right. No matter what the circumstances are, personal achievement always come first in football.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

The record is certainly on his mind.

NOLA.com

Brees needs 753 yards -- or an average of 376.5 yards in his final two games -- to surpass Marino's record of 5,084 yards.

"That's a huge record," Brees said. "Would it be an honor to break it? Yeah. Is that something we can all share in? Absolutely. Do I wish that, if it does happen, that it would have come with a playoff season? A hundred percent, without a doubt. So if it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't. But certainly that's a huge record, one of the bigger ones in the game."

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Brees joked with the media Wednesday about all the record-related questions, and he compared his pursuit to running back Deuce McAllister's quest for the franchise's all-time touchdowns record, which McAllister set Nov. 24 against the Green Bay Packers.

"I thought everybody was giving us a hard time for not running it enough? You guys are changing your tune a little bit in these last two games," Brees said. "We'll do what it takes to win, but just like when we got down there against Green Bay, got down close, put Deuce in the game, get him the touchdown, he breaks the record. That means a lot to him, to this organization, to this team, to this town. What that record would mean, I think to everybody, it would be, like I said, it's something we could all share in.

"If it doesn't happen, we'd be a little disappointed, yeah, because you get so close. And so if it didn't happen, then I guess it wasn't meant to be. Like I said, I'm trying not to think about it, and you guys are making it awfully hard."

 

[Chaka]

Brees has been one of the five best QBs in the NFL this year; I think you're crazy if you blame the number of Saints losses on him.

I'm not blaming the Saints losses on Brees, just pointing out that his season is pretty weak compared to the best QB seasons in history (including Marino's). In 1984, would anyone have said that "Marino has been one of the five best QBs in the NFL this year"? No, they'd say "this is one of the most amazing seasons in NFL history." That's what history is about.

Brees is the reason the Saints have even 7 wins this season. Marino had the benefit of playing with a defense that was 7th in points allowed (13.4 ppg differential), the Saints are 25th (2.6 ppg differential). I would argue that Brees is putting up his pinball numbers out of necessity, more than Marino at any rate.I think that is very impressive and worthy of recognition from all football fans.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

He could possibly throw for 450 yards this week... leaving it very attainable to get 300 next week.

 

[rotohuff]

Any QB that can put up over 5,000 yards in a season in the NFL is doing something pretty amazing.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

Any time a player has a shot at breaking a record like this that player should be going all out to get it if it is within reach. Records, schedule or anything else does not matter.

Yes, you're right. No matter what the circumstances are, personal achievement always come first in football.

his team is eliminated from the playoffs. what else does the team have to shoot for? they can still "try to win" while enabling brees to break a long-standing record.

 

[nysfl2]

He could possibly throw for 450 yards this week... leaving it very attainable to get 300 next week.

450? If he plays the 4th quarter, he could break the record this week!!

 

[5x champ]

Any time a player has a shot at breaking a record like this that player should be going all out to get it if it is within reach. Records, schedule or anything else does not matter.

Yes, you're right. No matter what the circumstances are, personal achievement always come first in football.

his team is eliminated from the playoffs. what else does the team have to shoot for? they can still "try to win" while enabling brees to break a long-standing record.

While I agree with what you are saying, that's not what Power Monster said. What he said is that when someone is in the position to obtain a personal record, nothing else matters, team be damned, go for that record. It's a pretty idiotic mentality.

 

[CalBear]

I was slightly wrong; instead of throwing for 400 in a 48-10 blowout, he threw for 350 in a 42-7 blowout (40 pass attempts). Totally cheesy move. But even so, it's extremely unlikely he'll manage 400 against Carolina, so it looks like Marino's record is safe.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Brees has been one of the five best QBs in the NFL this year; I think you're crazy if you blame the number of Saints losses on him.

I'm not blaming the Saints losses on Brees, just pointing out that his season is pretty weak compared to the best QB seasons in history (including Marino's). In 1984, would anyone have said that "Marino has been one of the five best QBs in the NFL this year"? No, they'd say "this is one of the most amazing seasons in NFL history." That's what history is about.

Brees is the reason the Saints have even 7 wins this season. Marino had the benefit of playing with a defense that was 7th in points allowed (13.4 ppg differential), the Saints are 25th (2.6 ppg differential). I would argue that Brees is putting up his pinball numbers out of necessity, more than Marino at any rate.I think that is very impressive and worthy of recognition from all football fans.

And I could just as easily argue that if the '84 Dolphins were only averaging a 2.6 ppg differential, the Dolphins might have been throwing even more and running even less...especially in the last 5 minutes of games.But that's not to take away from Brees season, it is a great season. You are right to point out how noteworthy it is. Unfortunately, at this point I think we almost have to consider the early Marino years a different era from the current one. The proliferation of the west coast and spread offenses and changes to passing game rules have really changed how teams use the passing game in today's NFL.