I posted this here, http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...50&start=50 but I don't think anyone goes in TB threads 
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Brett Favre to Tampa (1 Viewer)
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ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
That would be awesome.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
That would be VERY interesting.
Packers would have three reasonably young, potential starting caliber QBs on their roster, too.
Packers would have three reasonably young, potential starting caliber QBs on their roster, too.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Maybe, but if this deal is true - getting a 2nd round pick for "free" (instead of him just staying retired) is a MAJOR coup for the Pack. Great deal for them!
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
If true, September 28th will be talked about during training camp.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
This is a fascinating game of poker. Favre has the right to un-retire, and Green Bay maintains that it would then use its right to have Brett report as a backup. Now, while that may be what Ted Thompson wants everyone to believe, the pressure of having "4" backing up Rodgers would be potentially disastrous. Unless Rodgers is lights out game in, game out, the media & fans will be rabid for Favre to get back under center. On the other hand, Favre clearly dropped his trousers on that Greta Van Sustern show and admits that he's the one who is flipping the script now. Best thing for all concerned would be to trade him to an AFC contender and let the cards fall where they may.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
This is not in the area code of awesome for Tampa Bay. What was wrong with Garcia? Taking a losing team to the playoffs wasn't enough? Garcia limited interceptions; Favre collects them. Do you know how many 3rd downs Garcia converted because he bought time with his scrambling? The official stat is...a whole bunch.
They want an older, experienced QB to lead the team? Didn't the Buccaneers already have that?
Green Bay is swimming in win if they actually get a 2nd round pick and Simms for a guy who wasn't even supposed to be playing. Gruden will probably call Warren Moon to back up Favre.
They want an older, experienced QB to lead the team? Didn't the Buccaneers already have that?
Green Bay is swimming in win if they actually get a 2nd round pick and Simms for a guy who wasn't even supposed to be playing. Gruden will probably call Warren Moon to back up Favre.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Im pretty sure Favre> Garcia
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
But is Favre > Garcia + 2nd round pick?
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Andy Herron
Footballguy
This would also help explain why Tampa Bay has continued to hold onto Simms even though they are still over the 80-man roster limit heading into training camp.
They would keep them both, and say it's wide open headed into camp. Jeff would get pissed, and retire. Then again, this could all be a ploy to get Garcia to sign. But, if I am the Glazers I would do what ever it takes to get Favre. He sells jerseys, tickets, and gets your team free publicity.
ScottyFargo
Footballguy
Tampa loves to pay out the butt for retired QB's!
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
.......then Tampa Bay trades Favre to the Vikings for a sweeter deal 
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Probably Gus Frerotte and Brooks Bollinger for Favre...because two QBs are better than one in Tampa!.......then Tampa Bay trades Favre to the Vikings for a sweeter deal
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Were I the Packers I would take this deal. I would then put Simms on the trading block for whatever I could get for him. I would turn Favre's number retirement ceremony night into a Deanna Favre Charity night with the promise that when Favre does finally retire that we would be pleased to retire his number, install him in the ring of honor, and the Packer Hall of Fame with no waiting period.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
So the Vikes would be giving up at least a first rounder for Favre. I'd be pleased with that as a Packer Fan. (Of course I realize you were funnin, but I'm just saying.).......then Tampa Bay trades Favre to the Vikings for a sweeter deal
GreenNGold
Footballguy
You can't be serious. I'm pretty sure that Favre would win a lot more games for the Packers than Simms and a 2nd round draft pick. Unless you just had the bays confused. Tampa Bay is swimming in win if this is true, and I think a part of me just died.Now, if it was Rodgers to Tampa for a 2nd round pick, I'd say Green Bay is swimming in win.
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ScottyFargo
Footballguy
I heard that the Packers are planning on erasing Favre's name from every recorded instance, build a giant pyre and burn his locker, chain up his old personal locker room, and pretending he was never there in the first place in effort to preserve his legacy.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Why would you be pleased with that as a Packer fan? It's TB who would be getting the 1st rd pick. Tampa can trade Favre to whoever they choose once they trade for him. I wasn't trying to be funny, I was serious.So the Vikes would be giving up at least a first rounder for Favre. I'd be pleased with that as a Packer Fan. (Of course I realize you were funnin, but I'm just saying.).......then Tampa Bay trades Favre to the Vikings for a sweeter deal
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ScottyFargo
Footballguy
Uhm, a second round pick for a guy they were trying to force back into retirement is a huge win for them. They were not going to play him this year.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I'd be pleased in that the divisional foe would, in my mind, be overpaying for a one or two year asset. I believe Favre for a first round choice would be a bad move for any franchise excepting perhaps N.E., Indy, or Dallas if and only if their starter went down in camp. I like seeing divisional foes overpay for assets.Why would you be pleased with that as a Packer fan? It's TB who would be getting the 1st rd pick. Tampa can trade Favre to whoever they choose once they trade for him. I wasn't trying to be funny, I was serious.So the Vikes would be giving up at least a first rounder for Favre. I'd be pleased with that as a Packer Fan. (Of course I realize you were funnin, but I'm just saying.).......then Tampa Bay trades Favre to the Vikings for a sweeter deal
GreenNGold
Footballguy
But playing him is by far and away the best decision. Trading him instead of playing him is a HUGE mistake.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Of course I orginally said "sweeter deal", not 1st rd pick. That originated from you. "Sweeter deal" is like "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder".I'd be pleased in that the divisional foe would, in my mind, be overpaying for a one or two year asset. I believe Favre for a first round choice would be a bad move for any franchise excepting perhaps N.E., Indy, or Dallas if and only if their starter went down in camp. I like seeing divisional foes overpay for assets.Why would you be pleased with that as a Packer fan? It's TB who would be getting the 1st rd pick. Tampa can trade Favre to whoever they choose once they trade for him. I wasn't trying to be funny, I was serious.So the Vikes would be giving up at least a first rounder for Favre. I'd be pleased with that as a Packer Fan. (Of course I realize you were funnin, but I'm just saying.).......then Tampa Bay trades Favre to the Vikings for a sweeter deal
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
As a Packer fan I am currently more concerned with the John Jolly situation. The Favre matter will work itself out and the Packers will have more value than they did just a month ago. Jolly's deal can royally screw up their d-line rotation which is so key to their success.
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ScottyFargo
Footballguy
Ooh Tampa might have their eye on Chester! Don't do it, Minny!Of course I orginally said "sweeter deal", not 1st rd pick. That originated from you. "Sweeter deal" is like "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder".I'd be pleased in that the divisional foe would, in my mind, be overpaying for a one or two year asset. I believe Favre for a first round choice would be a bad move for any franchise excepting perhaps N.E., Indy, or Dallas if and only if their starter went down in camp. I like seeing divisional foes overpay for assets.Why would you be pleased with that as a Packer fan? It's TB who would be getting the 1st rd pick. Tampa can trade Favre to whoever they choose once they trade for him. I wasn't trying to be funny, I was serious.So the Vikes would be giving up at least a first rounder for Favre. I'd be pleased with that as a Packer Fan. (Of course I realize you were funnin, but I'm just saying.).......then Tampa Bay trades Favre to the Vikings for a sweeter deal
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
It surely did. I guess when one is trying to find a sweeter deal than a second round draft choice and a player widely believed to be worth a third to fifth round pick to teams like Dallas and others I was thinking one would have to go into the first round to find a "sweeter deal". Still, you are correct, I made an assumption. I thought your implication was clear, but no question I assumed your position rather than waiting for it.Of course I orginally said "sweeter deal", not 1st rd pick. That originated from you. "Sweeter deal" is like "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder".I'd be pleased in that the divisional foe would, in my mind, be overpaying for a one or two year asset. I believe Favre for a first round choice would be a bad move for any franchise excepting perhaps N.E., Indy, or Dallas if and only if their starter went down in camp. I like seeing divisional foes overpay for assets.Why would you be pleased with that as a Packer fan? It's TB who would be getting the 1st rd pick. Tampa can trade Favre to whoever they choose once they trade for him. I wasn't trying to be funny, I was serious.So the Vikes would be giving up at least a first rounder for Favre. I'd be pleased with that as a Packer Fan. (Of course I realize you were funnin, but I'm just saying.).......then Tampa Bay trades Favre to the Vikings for a sweeter deal
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
If the Packers were seriously concerned with the possibility of a re-trade, they could easily prevent it (or make it extremely costly) by addressing it in their trade agreement with the Bucs........then Tampa Bay trades Favre to the Vikings for a sweeter deal
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I don't believe there's ever been a trade with stipulations like that, and I'm not sure it's even legal.If the Packers were seriously concerned with the possibility of a re-trade, they could easily prevent it (or make it extremely costly) by addressing it in their trade agreement with the Bucs........then Tampa Bay trades Favre to the Vikings for a sweeter deal
pollardsvision
Footballguy
if this is true, i'm trying to figure out how this isn't considered tampering?
can favre meet with whoever he likes until the packers reinstate him?
can favre meet with whoever he likes until the packers reinstate him?
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I believe it would be foolish to stall the trade talks one second with such a consideration. This could complicate things at the Bucs end, anger Favre who I would like to see treated with some respect, and ultimately cause the Packers to fall back into a dilema they are clearly not handling well.If Favre goes eventually to the Vikes I look forward to the matter being handled by the Public Address Announcer that first game...."and at Quarteback, Packer legend, three time MVP, superbowl champion, league leader in every major statistical category, future hall of famer, and temporary mercenary to the four time Superbowl losers, Brett FAAARRRVVVVVV...If the Packers were seriously concerned with the possibility of a re-trade, they could easily prevent it (or make it extremely costly) by addressing it in their trade agreement with the Bucs........then Tampa Bay trades Favre to the Vikings for a sweeter deal
A good friend of mine saw Rex Grossman, Gruden, and Allen playing golf in JG's neighborhood before Grossman was a FA. I thought this would have been considered tampering, since he wasn't a fa yet. I speculated we were targeting him, but they could have been asking him about newly acquired Griese & TE Gilmore. Everyone tampers, especially the Bucs.
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I don't know what special restrictions the CBA or NFL rules place on trades, but under general contracting principles, I think it would be pretty simple to include a conditional first round pick in the trade that would be triggered if Favre is traded to any other NFL team in the next three years (two first round picks if to the Vikings, three if to the Bears).I don't believe there's ever been a trade with stipulations like that, and I'm not sure it's even legal.If the Packers were seriously concerned with the possibility of a re-trade, they could easily prevent it (or make it extremely costly) by addressing it in their trade agreement with the Bucs........then Tampa Bay trades Favre to the Vikings for a sweeter deal
ScottyFargo
Footballguy
When the Vikings signed Hutchinson as afree agent, they wrote up a clause stating that if he played so many games in Seattle he'd get a huge bonus. Seattle turned around and did the same kind of thing with Nate Burleson.Now, this is obviously different because Seattle had to match whatever was offered and a trade wouldn't exactly stipulate that, and I imagine that with restructuring you can rewrite whatever so if Tampa preferred to trade him I think they could get it done. I don't know of any trades having any clauses like that, either, but there are probably a lot of things I don't know about trades.I don't believe there's ever been a trade with stipulations like that, and I'm not sure it's even legal.If the Packers were seriously concerned with the possibility of a re-trade, they could easily prevent it (or make it extremely costly) by addressing it in their trade agreement with the Bucs........then Tampa Bay trades Favre to the Vikings for a sweeter deal
Phurfur
Footballguy
This is what I was thinking.
Why???????? Because of his great playoff record? Because he quit on the team at half time during the NFC Championship Game last year? Because he has been nothing but a distraction for the last 4 years? I say trade him to TB and maybe we can get a GB/TB playoff game in Lambeau and Favre can lose his 4th playoff game at Lambeau Field.
identikit
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yup.Since the first offenses are usually secret...we won't know if this is offense #2 and an automatic 4 gamer if this is a drug policy thing.or will Goodell make it a personal conduct thing and use his own inconsistent discretion in how to penalize him.
Phurfur
Footballguy
When Favre came out for the second half of that game I saw a player that did not want to be out there. At that point I KNEW GB would not win that game. Hey, it's tough being old in the cold, I'm just saying.......Maybe quitting is to harsh a word.
identikit
Footballguy
Not agreeing or disagreeing with you.When Favre came out for the second half of that game I saw a player that did not want to be out there. At that point I KNEW GB would not win that game. Hey, it's tough being old in the cold, I'm just saying.......Maybe quitting is to harsh a word.
I just admire your willingness to call it as you saw it.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Of course it is. Favre is one of the all-time best QBs to play the game, and playing in a similar offense in GB he is coming off a monster season. It's not as though you're running the risk of alienating Garcia longer term.Favre if FOUR MONTHS OLDER than Jeff Garcia, so you would have to view this as a major upgrade at the price of a 2nd rounder. No brainer IMHO.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
you forgot to mention,some $12 mil the Packers will have to pay Favre this season, if he's on the active roster. That will severely dampen their salary cap..no chance he's on their roster come opening day, IMO.He wants to go to TB to play for Gruden..Boomer Esiason was talking about it on WFAN-NY this morning, that with the $$ owed Favre is they keep him its almost certain he will not be in a GB uniform this year..
That might be the silliest Favre hating statement I have ever read. Last season down?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Without him they are like $36 mil under the cap...so they would still be about $24 mil under. Not really a big dampening. hell...right now I think they are under the minimum cap and need to spend more.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Agreed...only one season before retiring did his talk ever go past about the Super Bowl. And even that season it was over before the draft.
Of course it is. Favre is one of the all-time best QBs to play the game, and playing in a similar offense in GB he is coming off a monster season. It's not as though you're running the risk of alienating Garcia longer term.
Favre if FOUR MONTHS OLDER than Jeff Garcia, so you would have to view this as a major upgrade at the price of a 2nd rounder. No brainer IMHO.
Seriously Jason, has any other QB with Favre's accomplishments ever elicited this sort of negativity and undervalueing?
I guess Namoth. Nobody else comes to mind.
Totally worth it if Favre commits to 2 years.
Almost on merchandising alone....
Favre if FOUR MONTHS OLDER than Jeff Garcia, so you would have to view this as a major upgrade at the price of a 2nd rounder. No brainer IMHO.
Seriously Jason, has any other QB with Favre's accomplishments ever elicited this sort of negativity and undervalueing?
I guess Namoth. Nobody else comes to mind.
Totally worth it if Favre commits to 2 years.
Almost on merchandising alone....
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Phurfur
Footballguy
I am not a Favre hater. I am a GB Packer season ticket holder and have seen every down he has played as a Packer. The only jersey I have ever bought is the #4 Favre jersey (home and away). I am just sick of Favre's crap every off season. Sign Moss, hire Mooch, Javon Walker should honor his contract, I might retire, I don't know if I will retire I need more time, I am retiring (accompamied by tears), I want to play again, etc., etc., etc.
