Brian Baldinger re: Vince Young (1 Viewer)

[the hairy scotsman]

sportingnews.com

I saw greatness on the field in the Giants-Titans game, and he was wearing No. 10. But it wasn't Eli Manning, the first pick in the 2004 draft.

While scouting him for the draft, I concluded Young could be to the NFL what Magic Johnson was to the NBA -- an unconventional superstar.

At 6-5, Young stands tall in the pocket and sees the field well. His accuracy is better than advertised, as he showed with two stick touchdown throws to the end zone in the fourth quarter last week. His sidearm throwing motion isn't textbook -- he flicks the ball more than he throws it -- but his release is so quick defenders have trouble anticipating where the ball will go. He still has much to learn as a passer, but with offensive coordinator Norm Chow -- past mentor to star quarterbacks from Steve Young to Matt Leinart -- helping him, it'll come.

Young can run, too. He is harder to tackle than Michael Vick because he's so big, and he runs with more control. His ability to elude the rush also gives him an advantage over typical pocket passers.

Beyond his phenomenal athletic ability, Young is a great leader. If somebody makes a mistake, he lets him know it. But more than that, he plays with poise and confidence. The guy knows nothing but winning, and an air like that is infectious. No wonder a ragtag young Titans team has gone 4-4 since he became the starter.

Where have I heard this stuff before. It's like deja vu all over again.

 

[mcd]

I agree with all of this. I wasn't sure how Young would progress as a passer at the NFL level, but his intagibles are huge. His leadership ability was obvious in college & has carried right over to the Pro game. It's hard to compare Young to a Montana, but they were both guys that came in early & showed that even veteran players would line up & follow them. The Titans/Giants game will be one of those "picture" moments that will be referred to for years when discussing Youngs career, right next to the 2 Rose Bowl wins. The guy is a special player.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

From today's Nashville Tennessean:

Extra work: Young, who had his best passing day last week against the Giants, has been spending extra time after practice working with receivers. “You go over each other’s tendencies and you also go over routes that you missed and go over new routes, ones that are hard to hit that need timing,’’ wide receiver Brandon Jones said. “I can tell it’s making a difference. We’re starting to get what’s going on in each other’s minds and it is definitely a help with us.’’

This sounds eerily familiar, as the difference maker between Texas' passing woes in '04 and their huge passing success of '05 was Young initiating intense workouts with his receivers in the off-season. At the end of an end-of-season meeting one day, he quietly got up, walked over to a chalkboard and wrote

Anybody that wants to beat Ohio State in the fall meet me here in June.

Then he turned and walked out of the room.Everyone showed up.

 

[Liquid Tension]

sportingnews.com

I saw greatness on the field in the Giants-Titans game, and he was wearing No. 10. But it wasn't Eli Manning, the first pick in the 2004 draft.

While scouting him for the draft, I concluded Young could be to the NFL what Magic Johnson was to the NBA -- an unconventional superstar.

At 6-5, Young stands tall in the pocket and sees the field well. His accuracy is better than advertised, as he showed with two stick touchdown throws to the end zone in the fourth quarter last week. His sidearm throwing motion isn't textbook -- he flicks the ball more than he throws it -- but his release is so quick defenders have trouble anticipating where the ball will go. He still has much to learn as a passer, but with offensive coordinator Norm Chow -- past mentor to star quarterbacks from Steve Young to Matt Leinart -- helping him, it'll come.

Young can run, too. He is harder to tackle than Michael Vick because he's so big, and he runs with more control. His ability to elude the rush also gives him an advantage over typical pocket passers.

Beyond his phenomenal athletic ability, Young is a great leader. If somebody makes a mistake, he lets him know it. But more than that, he plays with poise and confidence. The guy knows nothing but winning, and an air like that is infectious. No wonder a ragtag young Titans team has gone 4-4 since he became the starter.

Where have I heard this stuff before. It's like deja vu all over again.

PLEASE, what a bunch of lame reporting. It doesn't show squat to report how good a guy is right after he does things well. I would like to see guys report on something BEFORE it happens.Not only that, Vince Young twice was stopped on 4th down by an exhausted and injury ridden defense.(missing 6 starters and two of their backups). The comeback happened because one was just a dumb play as Young was out of bounds and he was hit late. That had nothing to do with him. The 2nd one was more to do with a defender letting him go from a sack he couldn't avoid and wouldnt have gotten free, however, for some reason he just let him go (I guess he thought a pass was thrown because a smart QB would have forced up a pass to keep his team with a chance) which then allowed Young to make a real good run with his feet.

Honestly, Young didn't show much to me against the Giants, including the comeback. The Giants were depleted. This is not to say I think Young stinks as I think he is decent and could become very good. People didn't talk about the weak passes he made that led to really have them get stopped on 2 occasions?

BTW, Baldingers comments that Young is tougher to tackle than Vick is silly. Ask any lineman who he would rather be chasing down.

Right now Young is David Garrard with more upside if you ask me.

 

[titanT]

sportingnews.com

I saw greatness on the field in the Giants-Titans game, and he was wearing No. 10. But it wasn't Eli Manning, the first pick in the 2004 draft.

While scouting him for the draft, I concluded Young could be to the NFL what Magic Johnson was to the NBA -- an unconventional superstar.

At 6-5, Young stands tall in the pocket and sees the field well. His accuracy is better than advertised, as he showed with two stick touchdown throws to the end zone in the fourth quarter last week. His sidearm throwing motion isn't textbook -- he flicks the ball more than he throws it -- but his release is so quick defenders have trouble anticipating where the ball will go. He still has much to learn as a passer, but with offensive coordinator Norm Chow -- past mentor to star quarterbacks from Steve Young to Matt Leinart -- helping him, it'll come.

Young can run, too. He is harder to tackle than Michael Vick because he's so big, and he runs with more control. His ability to elude the rush also gives him an advantage over typical pocket passers.

Beyond his phenomenal athletic ability, Young is a great leader. If somebody makes a mistake, he lets him know it. But more than that, he plays with poise and confidence. The guy knows nothing but winning, and an air like that is infectious. No wonder a ragtag young Titans team has gone 4-4 since he became the starter.

Where have I heard this stuff before. It's like deja vu all over again.

BTW, Baldingers comments that Young is tougher to tackle than Vick is silly. Ask any lineman who he would rather be chasing down.

Tackle or chase down? I could have sworn he said tackle

 

[the hairy scotsman]

sportingnews.com

I saw greatness on the field in the Giants-Titans game, and he was wearing No. 10. But it wasn't Eli Manning, the first pick in the 2004 draft.

While scouting him for the draft, I concluded Young could be to the NFL what Magic Johnson was to the NBA -- an unconventional superstar.

At 6-5, Young stands tall in the pocket and sees the field well. His accuracy is better than advertised, as he showed with two stick touchdown throws to the end zone in the fourth quarter last week. His sidearm throwing motion isn't textbook -- he flicks the ball more than he throws it -- but his release is so quick defenders have trouble anticipating where the ball will go. He still has much to learn as a passer, but with offensive coordinator Norm Chow -- past mentor to star quarterbacks from Steve Young to Matt Leinart -- helping him, it'll come.

Young can run, too. He is harder to tackle than Michael Vick because he's so big, and he runs with more control. His ability to elude the rush also gives him an advantage over typical pocket passers.

Beyond his phenomenal athletic ability, Young is a great leader. If somebody makes a mistake, he lets him know it. But more than that, he plays with poise and confidence. The guy knows nothing but winning, and an air like that is infectious. No wonder a ragtag young Titans team has gone 4-4 since he became the starter.

Where have I heard this stuff before. It's like deja vu all over again.

BTW, Baldingers comments that Young is tougher to tackle than Vick is silly. Ask any lineman who he would rather be chasing down.

Tackle or chase down? I could have sworn he said tackle

Heh. Yeah. Ask defenders who they'd rather have comin' at 'em.Vick is very fast and elusive, but once they get to him, he's going down. Young is not as quick and not quite as fast as Vick, but very elusive nonetheless...and once defenders get to him, he's very difficult to bring down.

 

[Slingblade]

sportingnews.com

I saw greatness on the field in the Giants-Titans game, and he was wearing No. 10. But it wasn't Eli Manning, the first pick in the 2004 draft.

While scouting him for the draft, I concluded Young could be to the NFL what Magic Johnson was to the NBA -- an unconventional superstar.

At 6-5, Young stands tall in the pocket and sees the field well. His accuracy is better than advertised, as he showed with two stick touchdown throws to the end zone in the fourth quarter last week. His sidearm throwing motion isn't textbook -- he flicks the ball more than he throws it -- but his release is so quick defenders have trouble anticipating where the ball will go. He still has much to learn as a passer, but with offensive coordinator Norm Chow -- past mentor to star quarterbacks from Steve Young to Matt Leinart -- helping him, it'll come.

Young can run, too. He is harder to tackle than Michael Vick because he's so big, and he runs with more control. His ability to elude the rush also gives him an advantage over typical pocket passers.

Beyond his phenomenal athletic ability, Young is a great leader. If somebody makes a mistake, he lets him know it. But more than that, he plays with poise and confidence. The guy knows nothing but winning, and an air like that is infectious. No wonder a ragtag young Titans team has gone 4-4 since he became the starter.

Where have I heard this stuff before. It's like deja vu all over again.

PLEASE, what a bunch of lame reporting. It doesn't show squat to report how good a guy is right after he does things well. I would like to see guys report on something BEFORE it happens.Not only that, Vince Young twice was stopped on 4th down by an exhausted and injury ridden defense.(missing 6 starters and two of their backups). The comeback happened because one was just a dumb play as Young was out of bounds and he was hit late. That had nothing to do with him. The 2nd one was more to do with a defender letting him go from a sack he couldn't avoid and wouldnt have gotten free, however, for some reason he just let him go (I guess he thought a pass was thrown because a smart QB would have forced up a pass to keep his team with a chance) which then allowed Young to make a real good run with his feet.

Honestly, Young didn't show much to me against the Giants, including the comeback. The Giants were depleted. This is not to say I think Young stinks as I think he is decent and could become very good. People didn't talk about the weak passes he made that led to really have them get stopped on 2 occasions?

BTW, Baldingers comments that Young is tougher to tackle than Vick is silly. Ask any lineman who he would rather be chasing down.

Right now Young is David Garrard with more upside if you ask me.

If you really beleive what you just wrote, you are blind with hate.

That is the most foolish thing I have seen written here.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

Doesn't Vince Young qualify as mentally ######ed after his perfomance on the Wonderlic?

Q: What color is the sky?

Young: Green

Q: What is 2 + 2?

Young: Nashville.

Q: OK, Vince, here's one you can get: What's your favorite food?

Young: Uhhh, football?

 

[Da Guru]

What I like about Young is that he seems to be getting away from the one look and run style he had at Texas. If Young can go through his reads, then when things break down still get out of the pocket he will be a force in a couple of years. If not sooner.

 

[Lauryn]

Doesn't Vince Young qualify as mentally ######ed after his perfomance on the Wonderlic?

same could be said about some of the posters here.

 

[The Grizzly One]

The last five weeks Young has been scoring points with the best of them. He might just be getting it.

 

[norton17]

Young has a 63.9 qb rating on the year and in the last 5 weeks he's been

87.3

30.2

63.9

66.7

107.9

So he's had 1 very good game, one decent game and 3 stinkers.

Even in his decent rating game he was only 7 of 15 for 87 yds and a TD.

I like Vince Young, but he's got a LONG way to go as a QB

 

[parasaurolophus]

Young has a 63.9 qb rating on the year and in the last 5 weeks he's been87.330.263.966.7107.9So he's had 1 very good game, one decent game and 3 stinkers.Even in his decent rating game he was only 7 of 15 for 87 yds and a TD.I like Vince Young, but he's got a LONG way to go as a QB

wow you must be racist or on the black hate train. I am kidding, but get used to hearing comments like that if you criticize Young on these boards. His numbers right now quite frankly stink and he really hasnt been too big of a factor in any of their wins other than the Giants game. But if you point out his poor numbers you are met with the "intangibles" argument. 8 games is a very short amount of time to be labeled a born leader and a guaranteed winner.

 

[Dt's Mules]

Young has a 63.9 qb rating on the year and in the last 5 weeks he's been87.330.263.966.7107.9So he's had 1 very good game, one decent game and 3 stinkers.Even in his decent rating game he was only 7 of 15 for 87 yds and a TD.I like Vince Young, but he's got a LONG way to go as a QB

QB rating is a very overrated stat. It can be an indicator of good performance, but IMO it places way too much emphasis on completion %.I'm not saying vince has "arrived" or anything like that...just that QB rating isn't the be-all end-all of QB evaluation

 

[Dt's Mules]

Young has a 63.9 qb rating on the year and in the last 5 weeks he's been87.330.263.966.7107.9So he's had 1 very good game, one decent game and 3 stinkers.Even in his decent rating game he was only 7 of 15 for 87 yds and a TD.I like Vince Young, but he's got a LONG way to go as a QB

wow you must be racist or on the black hate train. I am kidding, but get used to hearing comments like that if you criticize Young on these boards. His numbers right now quite frankly stink and he really hasnt been too big of a factor in any of their wins other than the Giants game. But if you point out his poor numbers you are met with the "intangibles" argument. 8 games is a very short amount of time to be labeled a born leader and a guaranteed winner.

what about the 24 or so before that?

 

[wannabee]

also, I think we, as fantasy players, look at things different than the NFL people do. Young has shown himself to be a winner. He does what it takes to win. That may or may not show up on fantasy stats. But, I think the questions could be asked either way and get different answers.

ETA: to clarify:

The QB rating rates a QB on effeciency as per NFL standards

This has little to do with a QB's fantasy production or potential

 

[parasaurolophus]

Young has a 63.9 qb rating on the year and in the last 5 weeks he's been87.330.263.966.7107.9So he's had 1 very good game, one decent game and 3 stinkers.Even in his decent rating game he was only 7 of 15 for 87 yds and a TD.I like Vince Young, but he's got a LONG way to go as a QB

wow you must be racist or on the black hate train. I am kidding, but get used to hearing comments like that if you criticize Young on these boards. His numbers right now quite frankly stink and he really hasnt been too big of a factor in any of their wins other than the Giants game. But if you point out his poor numbers you are met with the "intangibles" argument. 8 games is a very short amount of time to be labeled a born leader and a guaranteed winner.

what about the 24 or so before that?

Ask Danny Wuerffel how important those 24 wins are.

 

[Dt's Mules]

Young has a 63.9 qb rating on the year and in the last 5 weeks he's been87.330.263.966.7107.9So he's had 1 very good game, one decent game and 3 stinkers.Even in his decent rating game he was only 7 of 15 for 87 yds and a TD.I like Vince Young, but he's got a LONG way to go as a QB

wow you must be racist or on the black hate train. I am kidding, but get used to hearing comments like that if you criticize Young on these boards. His numbers right now quite frankly stink and he really hasnt been too big of a factor in any of their wins other than the Giants game. But if you point out his poor numbers you are met with the "intangibles" argument. 8 games is a very short amount of time to be labeled a born leader and a guaranteed winner.

what about the 24 or so before that?

Ask Danny Wuerffel how important those 24 wins are.

I'm not saying that winning in college necessarily predicts winning in the NFL (obviously), but they can't be ignored either. It's not like he doesn't have a history of being a differnce maker in games where his team is over-matched (see last 2 rose bowls)

 

[the hairy scotsman]

Young has a 63.9 qb rating on the year and in the last 5 weeks he's been

87.3

30.2

63.9

66.7

107.9

So he's had 1 very good game, one decent game and 3 stinkers.

Even in his decent rating game he was only 7 of 15 for 87 yds and a TD.

I like Vince Young, but he's got a LONG way to go as a QB

wow you must be racist or on the black hate train. I am kidding, but get used to hearing comments like that if you criticize Young on these boards. His numbers right now quite frankly stink and he really hasnt been too big of a factor in any of their wins other than the Giants game. But if you point out his poor numbers you are met with the "intangibles" argument. 8 games is a very short amount of time to be labeled a born leader and a guaranteed winner.

The last 8 games is not what has established him as a natural leader. His body of work in high school, college, and the NFL are what established him as a born leader. People have always gravitated to him and been willing to sacrifice more for teams that he's played for.He does it all the time, on and off the field. He's done it all his life, in his family, in his church, in his community. He's just a leader.

As far as the qb rating goes, it'll come. His qb rating early at Texas was low, too. He finished with the highest qb rating in the country. The progression he's going thru right now is very familiar.

 

[The Grizzly One]

I was talking fantasy points his last five games. Of course it depends on the system, but he has done well there. His running makes the difference.

 

[guderian]

Young has a 63.9 qb rating on the year and in the last 5 weeks he's been87.330.263.966.7107.9So he's had 1 very good game, one decent game and 3 stinkers.Even in his decent rating game he was only 7 of 15 for 87 yds and a TD.I like Vince Young, but he's got a LONG way to go as a QB

wow you must be racist or on the black hate train. I am kidding, but get used to hearing comments like that if you criticize Young on these boards. His numbers right now quite frankly stink and he really hasnt been too big of a factor in any of their wins other than the Giants game. But if you point out his poor numbers you are met with the "intangibles" argument. 8 games is a very short amount of time to be labeled a born leader and a guaranteed winner.

Vince Young's career began a lot more than 8 games ago for some of us. The fact is that we were informed by many on this board that Young was a bust of Ryan Leaf proportions. I don't recall Leaf leading any 21-point comebacks in the 4th quarter. Also, you've heard a lot more than the "intangibles" arguments on this board and NO ONE has called him a "guaranteed winner".

 

[benbadman]

From the few Titans games ive watched (more like moments of their games at a sports bar), when Young does get sacked, he loses very few yards. It is sack for maybe 4 yards tops, often 1 or 2 cause he fights forward. I think he will be a solid QB, and I can't wait to see Cutler play on NBC.

 

[Liquid Tension]

sportingnews.com

I saw greatness on the field in the Giants-Titans game, and he was wearing No. 10. But it wasn't Eli Manning, the first pick in the 2004 draft.

While scouting him for the draft, I concluded Young could be to the NFL what Magic Johnson was to the NBA -- an unconventional superstar.

At 6-5, Young stands tall in the pocket and sees the field well. His accuracy is better than advertised, as he showed with two stick touchdown throws to the end zone in the fourth quarter last week. His sidearm throwing motion isn't textbook -- he flicks the ball more than he throws it -- but his release is so quick defenders have trouble anticipating where the ball will go. He still has much to learn as a passer, but with offensive coordinator Norm Chow -- past mentor to star quarterbacks from Steve Young to Matt Leinart -- helping him, it'll come.

Young can run, too. He is harder to tackle than Michael Vick because he's so big, and he runs with more control. His ability to elude the rush also gives him an advantage over typical pocket passers.

Beyond his phenomenal athletic ability, Young is a great leader. If somebody makes a mistake, he lets him know it. But more than that, he plays with poise and confidence. The guy knows nothing but winning, and an air like that is infectious. No wonder a ragtag young Titans team has gone 4-4 since he became the starter.

Where have I heard this stuff before. It's like deja vu all over again.

PLEASE, what a bunch of lame reporting. It doesn't show squat to report how good a guy is right after he does things well. I would like to see guys report on something BEFORE it happens.Not only that, Vince Young twice was stopped on 4th down by an exhausted and injury ridden defense.(missing 6 starters and two of their backups). The comeback happened because one was just a dumb play as Young was out of bounds and he was hit late. That had nothing to do with him. The 2nd one was more to do with a defender letting him go from a sack he couldn't avoid and wouldnt have gotten free, however, for some reason he just let him go (I guess he thought a pass was thrown because a smart QB would have forced up a pass to keep his team with a chance) which then allowed Young to make a real good run with his feet.

Honestly, Young didn't show much to me against the Giants, including the comeback. The Giants were depleted. This is not to say I think Young stinks as I think he is decent and could become very good. People didn't talk about the weak passes he made that led to really have them get stopped on 2 occasions?

BTW, Baldingers comments that Young is tougher to tackle than Vick is silly. Ask any lineman who he would rather be chasing down.

Right now Young is David Garrard with more upside if you ask me.

If you really beleive what you just wrote, you are blind with hate.

That is the most foolish thing I have seen written here.

Hate? You have no clue, I happen to like Young, I am just calling it like I see it. What is wrong with what I wrote? The most foolish thing you have read? You must be blinded by loving Young because Young has a 63 QB rating and has completed less than 50% of his passes for a really low YPA number. Yes, he played pretty well against the Giants, BUT without a lot of help from the Giants like letting him go and hitting him late, his stats would have looked mediocre and so would have his play. This was also against a defense with so 6+ starters out.

Now if you are just saying that I see Garrard with more upside, than that is OK for you to have your opinion, but garrard is not bad.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Young has a 63.9 qb rating on the year and in the last 5 weeks he's been87.330.263.966.7107.9So he's had 1 very good game, one decent game and 3 stinkers.Even in his decent rating game he was only 7 of 15 for 87 yds and a TD.I like Vince Young, but he's got a LONG way to go as a QB

QB rating is a very overrated stat. It can be an indicator of good performance, but IMO it places way too much emphasis on completion %.I'm not saying vince has "arrived" or anything like that...just that QB rating isn't the be-all end-all of QB evaluation

Agreed. It also doesn't take into account at all the QB's who can scramble well, run for 1st down, avoid sacks and wear down a D-line that can help the running attack. That being said running is only part of the equation of being a good NFL QB and why I have Marino in the top 3 QB's to ever play.

 

[Liquid Tension]

also, I think we, as fantasy players, look at things different than the NFL people do. Young has shown himself to be a winner. He does what it takes to win. That may or may not show up on fantasy stats. But, I think the questions could be asked either way and get different answers.

ETA: to clarify:

The QB rating rates a QB on effeciency as per NFL standards

This has little to do with a QB's fantasy production or potential

Only throwing the ball efficiently but none of the other factors that may or may not relate to fantasy or NFL production. In fact, avoiding a rush or just throwing a ball away to avoid a sack hurts the QB rating, but was a good play.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Young has a 63.9 qb rating on the year and in the last 5 weeks he's been

87.3

30.2

63.9

66.7

107.9

So he's had 1 very good game, one decent game and 3 stinkers.

Even in his decent rating game he was only 7 of 15 for 87 yds and a TD.

I like Vince Young, but he's got a LONG way to go as a QB

wow you must be racist or on the black hate train. I am kidding, but get used to hearing comments like that if you criticize Young on these boards. His numbers right now quite frankly stink and he really hasnt been too big of a factor in any of their wins other than the Giants game. But if you point out his poor numbers you are met with the "intangibles" argument. 8 games is a very short amount of time to be labeled a born leader and a guaranteed winner.

The last 8 games is not what has established him as a natural leader. His body of work in high school, college, and the NFL are what established him as a born leader. People have always gravitated to him and been willing to sacrifice more for teams that he's played for.He does it all the time, on and off the field. He's done it all his life, in his family, in his church, in his community. He's just a leader.

As far as the qb rating goes, it'll come. His qb rating early at Texas was low, too. He finished with the highest qb rating in the country. The progression he's going thru right now is very familiar.

Yeah, wasn't Lienert a great leader/winner and only lost something like 3 times in his career before playing for Arizona? Regardless, the QB is about 15% of the TEAM and winning is HIGHLY dependent and how your team plays around you and when you are not on the field.

 

[parasaurolophus]

being a good running QB does not always translate into avoiding sacks. there is no substitute for being great at throwing the ball and reading defenses.

 

[flufhed]

sportingnews.com

I saw greatness on the field in the Giants-Titans game, and he was wearing No. 10. But it wasn't Eli Manning, the first pick in the 2004 draft.

While scouting him for the draft, I concluded Young could be to the NFL what Magic Johnson was to the NBA -- an unconventional superstar.

At 6-5, Young stands tall in the pocket and sees the field well. His accuracy is better than advertised, as he showed with two stick touchdown throws to the end zone in the fourth quarter last week. His sidearm throwing motion isn't textbook -- he flicks the ball more than he throws it -- but his release is so quick defenders have trouble anticipating where the ball will go. He still has much to learn as a passer, but with offensive coordinator Norm Chow -- past mentor to star quarterbacks from Steve Young to Matt Leinart -- helping him, it'll come.

Young can run, too. He is harder to tackle than Michael Vick because he's so big, and he runs with more control. His ability to elude the rush also gives him an advantage over typical pocket passers.

Beyond his phenomenal athletic ability, Young is a great leader. If somebody makes a mistake, he lets him know it. But more than that, he plays with poise and confidence. The guy knows nothing but winning, and an air like that is infectious. No wonder a ragtag young Titans team has gone 4-4 since he became the starter.

Where have I heard this stuff before. It's like deja vu all over again.

PLEASE, what a bunch of lame reporting. It doesn't show squat to report how good a guy is right after he does things well. I would like to see guys report on something BEFORE it happens.Not only that, Vince Young twice was stopped on 4th down by an exhausted and injury ridden defense.(missing 6 starters and two of their backups). The comeback happened because one was just a dumb play as Young was out of bounds and he was hit late. That had nothing to do with him. The 2nd one was more to do with a defender letting him go from a sack he couldn't avoid and wouldnt have gotten free, however, for some reason he just let him go (I guess he thought a pass was thrown because a smart QB would have forced up a pass to keep his team with a chance) which then allowed Young to make a real good run with his feet.

Honestly, Young didn't show much to me against the Giants, including the comeback. The Giants were depleted. This is not to say I think Young stinks as I think he is decent and could become very good. People didn't talk about the weak passes he made that led to really have them get stopped on 2 occasions?

BTW, Baldingers comments that Young is tougher to tackle than Vick is silly. Ask any lineman who he would rather be chasing down.

Right now Young is David Garrard with more upside if you ask me.

 

[Slider]

I don't think he's all that yet. Wait til they get 5 or 6 weeks of tape and pick apart his flaws. I too saw greatness in the Giants game but that's hardly enough to call him great. He has a chance but it's premature at this point.

 

[flufhed]

Young has a 63.9 qb rating on the year and in the last 5 weeks he's been

87.3

30.2

63.9

66.7

107.9

So he's had 1 very good game, one decent game and 3 stinkers.

Even in his decent rating game he was only 7 of 15 for 87 yds and a TD.



I like Vince Young, but he's got a LONG way to go as a QB

Really? You mean a guy who played in a shotgun offense, didn't really start passing the ball much before his junior year, entered the draft as a junior, and who is only making his 9th start in the NFL has a long way to go?Admit it - you are a professional NFL scout in disguise.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

being a good running QB does not always translate into avoiding sacks. there is no substitute for being great at throwing the ball and reading defenses.

There is simply no denying how much the Colts D was frustrated by the way Young constantly escaped collapsed pockets today. Very deflating.They "had" him in the backfield several times, yet they never sacked him.