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I disagree. 4.65 is a terrible time for him. Most sites list him as a 4.4 guy. He's been projected at three different sites I just scanned as being faster than Maroney, DWilliams, Andre Hall, and several others who will undoubtedly post much faster than 4.65.
About $ 15 Mil.
Sorry, but the difference between 4.2 and 4.6 is the speed difference between Carson Palmer and the fastest man in the NFL. It is HUGE.
So A) Calhoun did not prepare, (Lack of dedication)or B) He is not as fast as he thought he was
A) A lack of dedication to perfoming his best on the 40 time which may affect his draft spot, yes I would agree. But a bad start on a 40 or a slwoer than expected time isn't enough information for me to say he has a lack of dedication to being a football player. Mastering the 40 is not as easy as it may seem. Many players will have special coaches just for that one event.B) He certainly did not look as fast as what others have seen before. Bad day, and that will put more pressure on him to prove even more on his Pro Day, March 8th.
I'm having a hard time with that. Speed was supposed to be the thing that separated Calhoun from many others. It was the reason why I thought he deserved to be RB5 in the draft. He doesn't bring more to the game than Maurice Drew or Jerome Harrison if he isn't faster. I don't think he is as quick as either. He has nice moves, but I like the way the other two make defenders miss quite a bit more, and they both run with better power. All of this is debateable of course, and his second time was 4.51 (reportedly). That's almost identical to Harrison, though Drew smoked them both today. Still, if Jerome Harrison and Brian Calhoun are the same speed, I like Harrison better. This may explain Calhoun's lousy YPC too. Big red flag for me because of the type of player he is, not because I weigh 40 times excessively. If a group of players are hard to distinguish, sure NFL personnelers have often taken the faster player and been wrong. But when a player's seeming advantage is better speed, and it turns out to be false... I have to downgrade that guy.
I have no problems with people who want to downgrade someone for being a few tenths slower than expected. I'm just not one that puts much faith in the 40 time. I don't believe the way it is measured and performed translates accurately to game speed, whitch is what I judge prospects by.
I agree with you since there have been guys who have done well despite being too small and slow, but isn't a good sign and not a risk you want to take. Westbrook is a great example, but he was drafted day 2 and had to earn the starting job. Calhoun could do the same thing but the odds are against him and his draft position will reflect that.
whatever
Lets see, a player who comes from a system notorrious for producing big rb stats but dud NFL running backs (see Brent Moss, Ron Dayne, Michael Bennett . . . et al).Said player runs a time better suited for a tight end than a running back.
Lets see, a player who comes from a system notorrious for producing big rb stats but dud NFL running backs (see Brent Moss, Ron Dayne, Michael Bennett . . . et al).Said player runs a time better suited for a tight end than a running back.
What round do you put Calhoun in?
He should have stayed at Wisky if he was going to run that slow. Nice job preparing for the combine Brian!
Late first to early second. Early = top 15 of that round. He goes anywhere else in the draft that will be pure value. This did not hurt his draft. At least he did do it unlike the supposed top pick in Bush. Does not running hurt a players draft spot? Apparently not and again... .45 of a second if that drops a player 2/3 rounds then had he run a 4.0 time would that have put him at #1? I think not therefore this does not hurt him in the least.Lets see, a player who comes from a system notorrious for producing big rb stats but dud NFL running backs (see Brent Moss, Ron Dayne, Michael Bennett . . . et al).Said player runs a time better suited for a tight end than a running back.What round do you put Calhoun in?
how much should it affect his position?
I think he's still say a mid 2nd to 3rd. Should drop him half to full round. It dropped KJ a half a round two years ago- I don't think this should drop him much more.Pats showed a bit of interest yesterday fromw what I've read (maybe late second interest here?).
So you are dropping him 2 rounds because he can't run track as fast as expected? I can't agree with that. Maybe you drop him on an assumption that he's a system back... but I can't see two rounds for a poor combine 40.I hope he improves on his 40 at his pro day, because I don't think he should be projected as low as the 4th or 5th- I just can't see guys like Harrison going before him because he ran a great 40...
It was a poor combine overall not just the 40.
More guys turned in good 40 times and were good and poor 40 times and were poor.
If you think running a 4.65 40 is good for calhoun you are 1) Blind or 2) Have a wonderlic score of 6I never said in that post that is was good for him. I think it is an overreaction by dropping him into the 4th or 5th round.More guys turned in good 40 times and were good and poor 40 times and were poor.
SATURDAY, Feb. 25, 2006, 8:01 p.m.Brian Calhoun - Disappointing time in Indy
No doubt. For a guy who was healthy all season, that injury was unfortunate. Didn't sound too serious, but you hope he has enough time to get well.
Well he says he tweaked it on the first run and then struggled through the rest of the drills, so it can't be too bad or he would have pulled himself out.
So what? Are you telling us that you're going to be drafting Calhoun 1st overall in your fantasy draft? If not, then this is just one big taffy pull.Ask Auburn how fast he is. Also, his total yardage numbers don't inlcude returns, as Bush's do. Wisconsin had a good return guy, his name was Brandon Williams.If you'd like to look at just rushing and receiving, the toal yardage numbers look like this:
Bush 170.61 yards per game
Calhoun 169.77 yard per gam
Hmm. Seems pretty even to me. But let's not cloud things with facts. The TD numbers speak for themselves.
Calhoun needed to be faster than most given his size limitations [and the perception that anyone can amass good numbers behind the Wisconsin line...see A. Davis, M. Bennett, R. Dayne].
No. It's easy to get caught up in the wash here. My initial post stated that Calhoun is a similar player to Bush. Bush is a better RB, but skills wise, it's closer than most people think. Both are good/great receivers. Both have an extra gear. Calhoun was timed at around 4.3 coming out of high school.So what? Are you telling us that you're going to be drafting Calhoun 1st overall in your fantasy draft? If not, then this is just one big taffy pull.Ask Auburn how fast he is. Also, his total yardage numbers don't inlcude returns, as Bush's do. Wisconsin had a good return guy, his name was Brandon Williams.If you'd like to look at just rushing and receiving, the toal yardage numbers look like this:
Bush 170.61 yards per game
Calhoun 169.77 yard per gam
Hmm. Seems pretty even to me. But let's not cloud things with facts. The TD numbers speak for themselves.
Assuming the injury he suffered is better by the pro day, he will run faster. I believe he'll be at the same location where he clocked a 4.29 in April 2004. I don't think he'll do that again, but he'll be faster. Most scouts agree that it doesn't kill his value at this point. I agree that he'll drop to day two if he doesn't improve.
Running a 4.45 would've hurt his stock...running a 4.6+ absolutely puts the onus on him to REALLY improve at his Pro Day or he'll be lucky to find himself drafted during the first day.
Well we heard it first , but we did nt see it.The guy is a third down back .
Perhaps you should look at his whole combine then. Piss poor for a small, shifty, speed back.
Right, so let's make him a top-5 pick, since he says he's as good as Reggie Bush.When have draft prospects ever inflated their resumes?
PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE tell me you're not saying the Pac 10 has better defenses than ANY other power conference. Bush is amazing, but his numbers are definitely overhyped due to the WEAK Pac 10 defenses he goes up against.
I'm with you 100%. I feel very bad for Calhoun but I'll feel much better if I can land him at 1.09-1.10 in my rookie draft.
