Brock Lesnar vs. Mike Tyson, in their prime (1 Viewer)

[LOCO]

who would win?

 

[Finless]

Not sure anyone could fade a Tyson in his prime no glove haymaker.

 

[hooter311]

Not sure anyone could fade a Tyson in his prime no glove haymaker.

Only question is if Tyson is fast enough to catch Lesnar as he races down the street away from the punch.

 

[Chaka]

It all depends if Lesnar can get him to the ground without taking a shot.

In his prime Tyson had better hand speed & head movement than anyone since Ali and more power than anyone this side of Foreman.

But if Lesnar got him to the ground it would be a different story.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Iron Mike

 

[pantagrapher]

How's Mike's take-down defense?

 

[guru_007]

No LeBron James option?

Of the two you posted, I had to go Tyson.

 

[Joseph]

How's Mike's take-down defense?

thisTyson's a great puncher, but even there, Lesnar has like 8 inches and 40 lbs Tyson, and when Tyson moves in to throw Lesnar is going for his legs and dumping him on his back onto the sidewalk.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Good poll. I'd say Lesnar. I was as big a Tyson fan as anyone but you're not talking boxing. You're talking Lesnar's game. I know very little about MMA but I'm going to assume Lesnar isn't nearly as skilled at MMA as Tyson was at boxing in his prime. So putting Tyson in Lesnar's game evens that a lot. But I still go Lesnar. Neither guy could take a gloveless punch from the other. But Lesnar wins in a hurry if it ever goes to the ground (and it probably would)

J

 

[Abrantes]

Tyson would smoke Lesnar in a boxing match, but in the context of a street fight, it's easily Lesnar in my mind unless Tyson had an insane sprawl kept under wraps.

 

[Doug B]

How's Mike's take-down defense?

... Lesnar can't just walk in and make that takedown, though. I admit to assuming that Tyson, due to the life he led, had actual street-fighting experience & skills (but NOT dedicated MMA training).I'll put it this way: though I voted for Tyson, I could see Lesnar winning. However, I can't see Lesnar winning without taking severe physical damage and eating soup through a straw for three months. I know boxers typically suck in MMA ... but Tyson in his prime could probably deliver close-to-knockout head shots even when wrapped up and at a leverage disadvantage. Not to mention the instant broken ribs Lesnar would have to fight through.

 

[snitwitch]

Tyson would smoke Lesnar in a boxing match, but in the context of a street fight, it's easily Lesnar in my mind unless Tyson had an insane sprawl kept under wraps.

You guys are forgetting that Tyson grew up on the mean streets of crooklyn beating the piss out of people in street fights. Lesnar is from BFE midwest somewhere and was probably throwing hay bales and tipping cows. Tyson in a walk here.

 

[pantagrapher]

How's Mike's take-down defense?

... Lesnar can't just walk in and make that takedown, though. I admit to assuming that Tyson, due to the life he led, had actual street-fighting experience & skills (but NOT dedicated MMA training).I'll put it this way: though I voted for Tyson, I could see Lesnar winning. However, I can't see Lesnar winning without taking severe physical damage and eating soup through a straw for three months. I know boxers typically suck in MMA ... but Tyson in his prime could probably deliver close-to-knockout head shots even when wrapped up and at a leverage disadvantage. Not to mention the instant broken ribs Lesnar would have to fight through.

I think it would be a good fight. Hell, I'd watch it. If Tyson landed punches as easily as Carwin did the other night, it could very well be lights out pretty quick for Lesnar.

 

[Doug B]

For those that follow MMA -- how do the grapplers typically approach the boxers and get close enough for a takedown without taking a punch? Or do they just try to work it so that the inevitable punch hits them in a relatively "safe" place, absorb the blow, and then complete the takedown?

I saw some very early UFCs, when there were still dedicated boxers and wrestlers competing. The boxers they had, though, just looked relatively lousy at fighting in general ... and even as boxers, they were WAY out of Tyson's league.

 

[guru_007]

Tyson would smoke Lesnar in a boxing match, but in the context of a street fight, it's easily Lesnar in my mind unless Tyson had an insane sprawl kept under wraps.

You guys are forgetting that Tyson grew up on the mean streets of crooklyn beating the piss out of people in street fights. Lesnar is from BFE midwest somewhere and was probably throwing hay bales and tipping cows. Tyson in a walk here.

pretty sure one guy also spent a few years in jail. I'll take that guy in a street fight

 

[EYLive]

How's Mike's take-down defense?

... Lesnar can't just walk in and make that takedown, though. I admit to assuming that Tyson, due to the life he led, had actual street-fighting experience & skills (but NOT dedicated MMA training).I'll put it this way: though I voted for Tyson, I could see Lesnar winning. However, I can't see Lesnar winning without taking severe physical damage and eating soup through a straw for three months. I know boxers typically suck in MMA ... but Tyson in his prime could probably deliver close-to-knockout head shots even when wrapped up and at a leverage disadvantage. Not to mention the instant broken ribs Lesnar would have to fight through.

I agree. But Lesnar would eventually recover. Tyson would be dead in a matter of minutes and look like possum roadkill.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Tyson would smoke Lesnar in a boxing match, but in the context of a street fight, it's easily Lesnar in my mind unless Tyson had an insane sprawl kept under wraps.

You guys are forgetting that Tyson grew up on the mean streets of crooklyn beating the piss out of people in street fights. Lesnar is from BFE midwest somewhere and was probably throwing hay bales and tipping cows. Tyson in a walk here.

Sure. But huge difference from a guy streetfighting on the "mean streets" and a MMA world champion.J

 

[Genedoc]

Street fights <> boxing matches. Street fights go to the ground if either party wants them to, and Lesnar would break him in half on the ground. If it was close to an even match-up, you'd see plenty of boxers fare well in the MMA. They don't.

 

[Joe Bryant]

For those that follow MMA -- how do the grapplers typically approach the boxers and get close enough for a takedown without taking a punch? Or do they just try to work it so that the inevitable punch hits them in a relatively "safe" place, absorb the blow, and then complete the takedown?

Good question.J

 

[oneohh]

Tyson in his prime was the scariest option imaginable. Period. I don't think it comes down to skill or strength or even street smarts. Tyson was a machine. A crazy, crazy machine. I would not bet against him in this fantasy scenario.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Since Lesnar has a reach advantage, my is that Lesnar connects first and then it goes to the ground and Tyson eventually loses.

 

[Abrantes]

Tyson would smoke Lesnar in a boxing match, but in the context of a street fight, it's easily Lesnar in my mind unless Tyson had an insane sprawl kept under wraps.

You guys are forgetting that Tyson grew up on the mean streets of crooklyn beating the piss out of people in street fights. Lesnar is from BFE midwest somewhere and was probably throwing hay bales and tipping cows. Tyson in a walk here.

I don't know who 'you guys' are, but streetfighting experience means very little in the context of being able to stuff or counter a Brock Lesnar takedown, unless he'd been getting into bar fights with Division I All-American wrestlers.

 

[EYLive]

Tyson would smoke Lesnar in a boxing match, but in the context of a street fight, it's easily Lesnar in my mind unless Tyson had an insane sprawl kept under wraps.

You guys are forgetting that Tyson grew up on the mean streets of crooklyn beating the piss out of people in street fights. Lesnar is from BFE midwest somewhere and was probably throwing hay bales and tipping cows. Tyson in a walk here.

NCAA Division 1 champion >>>>>> 1980's Kimbo Slice

 

[Genedoc]

For those that follow MMA -- how do the grapplers typically approach the boxers and get close enough for a takedown without taking a punch? Or do they just try to work it so that the inevitable punch hits them in a relatively "safe" place, absorb the blow, and then complete the takedown?

Good question.J

There are multiple ways. Absorbing the punch in the guard and then closing the gap, shooting for the legs and getting underneath punches. Grapplers have a very, very good track record against strikers in MMA.

 

[Chaka]

Tyson in his prime was the scariest option imaginable. Period. I don't think it comes down to skill or strength or even street smarts. Tyson was a machine. A crazy, crazy machine. I would not bet against him in this fantasy scenario.

Tyson definitely has more crazy.

 

[pantagrapher]

Tyson would smoke Lesnar in a boxing match, but in the context of a street fight, it's easily Lesnar in my mind unless Tyson had an insane sprawl kept under wraps.

You guys are forgetting that Tyson grew up on the mean streets of crooklyn beating the piss out of people in street fights. Lesnar is from BFE midwest somewhere and was probably throwing hay bales and tipping cows. Tyson in a walk here.

Sure. But huge difference from a guy streetfighting on the "mean streets" and a MMA world champion.J

I don't know about that. Kimbo Slice started as a street fighter and is now one of the greatest MMA fighters ever.

 

[Abrantes]

For those that follow MMA -- how do the grapplers typically approach the boxers and get close enough for a takedown without taking a punch? Or do they just try to work it so that the inevitable punch hits them in a relatively "safe" place, absorb the blow, and then complete the takedown?

Good question.J

There are multiple ways. Absorbing the punch in the guard and then closing the gap, shooting for the legs and getting underneath punches. Grapplers have a very, very good track record against strikers in MMA.

Not to mention that the strikers tend to be less aggressive with their shots since they're worried about being taken down.

 

[videoguy505]

In their prime? Tyson easy. Only way Tyson loses is if he doesn't have his trainer from his prime in this matchup.

Tyson once knocked a guy down 3 times with one punch. Nothing would stop him in his prime.

 

[Sheriff66]

Tyson would smoke Lesnar in a boxing match, but in the context of a street fight, it's easily Lesnar in my mind unless Tyson had an insane sprawl kept under wraps.

You guys are forgetting that Tyson grew up on the mean streets of crooklyn beating the piss out of people in street fights. Lesnar is from BFE midwest somewhere and was probably throwing hay bales and tipping cows. Tyson in a walk here.

NCAA Division 1 champion >>>>>> 1980's Kimbo Slice

Agreed, Mitch Green took a straight right from Tyson in a clothing store and wasn't knocked out, Lesnar would get ahold of him and it would be all over. I'll take Brock.

 

[snitwitch]

Tyson would smoke Lesnar in a boxing match, but in the context of a street fight, it's easily Lesnar in my mind unless Tyson had an insane sprawl kept under wraps.

You guys are forgetting that Tyson grew up on the mean streets of crooklyn beating the piss out of people in street fights. Lesnar is from BFE midwest somewhere and was probably throwing hay bales and tipping cows. Tyson in a walk here.

Sure. But huge difference from a guy streetfighting on the "mean streets" and a MMA world champion.J

Except that the OP said "in a street fight," not in the steel cage octagon or whatever ring it is MMA battles occur in.Tyson used to beat the hell out of old ladies on the street and take their money. Literally. I'm not betting against this guy in any sort of "street fight" (in his prime.)

 

[Genedoc]

I'm a huge Tyson fan, and Lesnar is a gigantic tool, but I'm stunned this is even close. It's not easy to hit a grappler with a punch - they're exceptionally good at deflecting punches and not taking hits in order to close the ground and get a hand on their opponents. And once it goes to ground, it's completely over.

 

[pantagrapher]

Tyson would smoke Lesnar in a boxing match, but in the context of a street fight, it's easily Lesnar in my mind unless Tyson had an insane sprawl kept under wraps.

You guys are forgetting that Tyson grew up on the mean streets of crooklyn beating the piss out of people in street fights. Lesnar is from BFE midwest somewhere and was probably throwing hay bales and tipping cows. Tyson in a walk here.

Sure. But huge difference from a guy streetfighting on the "mean streets" and a MMA world champion.J

Except that the OP said "in a street fight," not in the steel cage octagon or whatever ring it is MMA battles occur in.Tyson used to beat the hell out of old ladies on the street and take their money. Literally. I'm not betting against this guy in any sort of "street fight" (in his prime.)

You're not betting against the guy who hones his skills beating up old ladies?

 

[EYLive]

Would either fighter have a knife or a bat?

 

[oneohh]

In their prime? Tyson easy. Only way Tyson loses is if he doesn't have his trainer from his prime in this matchup.

Tyson once knocked a guy down 3 times with one punch. Nothing would stop him in his prime.

 

[Moe.]

I wouldn't bet against Lesnar in a street fight against any human that has ever existed.

 

[LHUCKS]

Lesnar, but only because he'd be able to take him to the ground immediately.

 

[snitwitch]

Tyson would smoke Lesnar in a boxing match, but in the context of a street fight, it's easily Lesnar in my mind unless Tyson had an insane sprawl kept under wraps.

You guys are forgetting that Tyson grew up on the mean streets of crooklyn beating the piss out of people in street fights. Lesnar is from BFE midwest somewhere and was probably throwing hay bales and tipping cows. Tyson in a walk here.

Sure. But huge difference from a guy streetfighting on the "mean streets" and a MMA world champion.J

Except that the OP said "in a street fight," not in the steel cage octagon or whatever ring it is MMA battles occur in.Tyson used to beat the hell out of old ladies on the street and take their money. Literally. I'm not betting against this guy in any sort of "street fight" (in his prime.)

You're not betting against the guy who hones his skills beating up old ladies?

It's not about the skill-honing, it's about the brutal cold-bloodedness required to beat up old ladies, take their money, then buy crack to sell or whatever. If it's a staged matchup, and both sides know a fight is about to occur, Lesnar might have a chance. In real-world street fight conditions, where it's over before one side even knows it's begun, I'm sticking with Tyson.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Lesnar. Really not close at all.

Tyson wasn't even that well-rounded as a boxer. He knocked out a bunch of good-but-not-great fighters easily. He got exposed by Buster Douglas.

Lesnar is a better athlete and better in every aspect of fighting except one. He'd easily be able to get a takedown, get to mount and pound Tyson out.

 

[pantagrapher]

Lesnar. Really not close at all.Tyson wasn't even that well-rounded as a boxer. He knocked out a bunch of good-but-not-great fighters easily. He got exposed by Buster Douglas.Lesnar is a better athlete and better in every aspect of fighting except one. He'd easily be able to get a takedown, get to mount and pound Tyson out.

Like he did to Carwin.

 

[Carver]

Outside of a Bar on a Saturday night... both sober (since we are talking fantasy here)... Tyson would ANNIHILATE him. Most street fights are over in a matter of seconds... drunk slobs throw and land clean punches before any clinches or take downs ever happen. Mike had an EXTREMELY rare combination of blinding hand speed, pin point accuracy, and devastating punching power that only comes along maybe once in a generation. Carwin was able to rock Lesnar with a less than perfect uppercut that almost put Brock to sleep. If a prime Tyson is in position to hit him with that same shot (barehanded), Lesnar's jaw would likely get broken. Legitimately broken.

 

[No. 16]

How many of those who voted for Tyson actually watch MMA?

I find most MMA fans watch boxing also, but there is still a good portion of only boxing fans out there.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

I'm a huge Tyson fan, and Lesnar is a gigantic tool, but I'm stunned this is even close. It's not easy to hit a grappler with a punch - they're exceptionally good at deflecting punches and not taking hits in order to close the ground and get a hand on their opponents. And once it goes to ground, it's completely over.

This. I'd bet my next 3 months pay on Lesnar. someone else said it above. A fight goes to the ground when either one of the people involved want it to. There's no way Tyson is going to sprawl or stuff a Lesnar shot. NO WAY. Lesnar wins this fight 95+ times out of 100. Tyson may be able to connect on a KO shot on a level-lowered, chin-tucked shooting Lesnar, but it would be a miracle. Also, not claiming either one of these guys are in their prime or world champions, but James Toney has entered the UFC and is fighting Randy Couture at the end of August at 118. Those of you who think boxers will do well outside of the context of a boxing ring, tune in and see. I predict Randy Couture by nutsmothering submission in round 1.

 

[Sheriff66]

I wouldn't call Lesnar in his prime yet either, he is still learning the sport.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Lesnar. Really not close at all.Tyson wasn't even that well-rounded as a boxer. He knocked out a bunch of good-but-not-great fighters easily. He got exposed by Buster Douglas.Lesnar is a better athlete and better in every aspect of fighting except one. He'd easily be able to get a takedown, get to mount and pound Tyson out.

Like he did to Carwin.

Carwin was near Brocks size, and an elite college wrestler who trained to defend takedowns. Has Tyson done this for their random street encouter?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Lesnar. Really not close at all.Tyson wasn't even that well-rounded as a boxer. He knocked out a bunch of good-but-not-great fighters easily. He got exposed by Buster Douglas.Lesnar is a better athlete and better in every aspect of fighting except one. He'd easily be able to get a takedown, get to mount and pound Tyson out.

This. Unless Tyson bites his nipple off.

 

[Genedoc]

I'm a huge Tyson fan, and Lesnar is a gigantic tool, but I'm stunned this is even close. It's not easy to hit a grappler with a punch - they're exceptionally good at deflecting punches and not taking hits in order to close the ground and get a hand on their opponents. And once it goes to ground, it's completely over.

This. I'd bet my next 3 months pay on Lesnar.

someone else said it above. A fight goes to the ground when either one of the people involved want it to. There's no way Tyson is going to sprawl or stuff a Lesnar shot. NO WAY. Lesnar wins this fight 95+ times out of 100. Tyson may be able to connect on a KO shot on a level-lowered, chin-tucked shooting Lesnar, but it would be a miracle.

Also, not claiming either one of these guys are in their prime or world champions, but James Toney has entered the UFC and is fighting Randy Couture at the end of August at 118. Those of you who think boxers will do well outside of the context of a boxing ring, tune in and see. I predict Randy Couture by nutsmothering submission in round 1.

That was me, too. at "nutsmothering submission". I'm stealing that.

 

[snitwitch]

Outside of a Bar on a Saturday night... both sober (since we are talking fantasy here)... Tyson would ANNIHILATE him. Most street fights are over in a matter of seconds... drunk slobs throw and land clean punches before any clinches or take downs ever happen. Mike had an EXTREMELY rare combination of blinding hand speed, pin point accuracy, and devastating punching power that only comes along maybe once in a generation. Carwin was able to rock Lesnar with a less than perfect uppercut that almost put Brock to sleep. If a prime Tyson is in position to hit him with that same shot (barehanded), Lesnar's jaw would likely get broken. Legitimately broken.

 

[shake zula]

Tyson and it's not close.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Lesnar. Really not close at all.Tyson wasn't even that well-rounded as a boxer. He knocked out a bunch of good-but-not-great fighters easily. He got exposed by Buster Douglas.Lesnar is a better athlete and better in every aspect of fighting except one. He'd easily be able to get a takedown, get to mount and pound Tyson out.

Like he did to Carwin.

Carwin is a D2 national wrestling champion who had to smother a Lesnar takedown attempt before he hit him. Tyson wouldn't get that far.

 

[wikkidpissah]

least close of any FFA poll ive ever voted on. one of em eats children.