Brock Lesnar vs. Mike Tyson, in their prime (1 Viewer)

[BustedKnuckles]

All one has to do is watch Tyson as he got into wrestling matches at press conferences....and the Mitch Green street fight fiasco to find your answer.

If Tyson doesnt land the perfect punch on a charging Lesnar its over...if he lands that one perfect power punch its Tyson...the odds of him landing that punch are slim.

 

[D in the D]

Dana White feels that a woman MMA would beat Floyd Mayweather in an MMA match. I would pony up the $69.95 for that PPV.

IMO Abraham pretty much nailed it though, each fighter would excel in their own discipline.

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/553512/20140523/ufc-s-dana-white-floyd-mayweather-lose.htm#.U85QPE1OVpg

 

[fantasycurse42]

If Cus D'Amato is in the corner and training Tyson, he can't be beat.

 

[VA703]

kimbo vs brock sounds more realistic

 

[MC Gas Money]

Dana White feels that a woman MMA would beat Floyd Mayweather in an MMA match. I would pony up the $69.95 for that PPV.

IMO Abraham pretty much nailed it though, each fighter would excel in their own discipline.

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/553512/20140523/ufc-s-dana-white-floyd-mayweather-lose.htm#.U85QPE1OVpg

I hope for the womans safety they dont make this happen. A couple punches from Floyd could really hurt. Most likely he will go easy with the boxing skills and it wont be as interesting as it could be.

Just a novelty farce

 

[MC Gas Money]

kimbo vs brock sounds more realistic

Does the world need to again see kimbo get his ### handed to him?

I say yes

 

[VA703]

kimbo vs brock sounds more realistic

Does the world need to again see kimbo get his ### handed to him?

I say yes

I think kimbo just sucks in the ring.. but yeah I forgot all about that

 

[Zow]

In their prime? Tyson easy. Only way Tyson loses is if he doesn't have his trainer from his prime in this matchup.Tyson once knocked a

guy down 3 times with one punch. Nothing

would stop him in his prime.

Except a guy who is bigger, stronger, and is a world-class wrestler.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Im not going to read the thread to ctach up. Even though he isnt as good as advertised, Brock wins this pretty easily....unless he's dumb. Which come to thnk of it, Tyson could win.

The question is simply this; can Brock get close enough to take Tyson to the ground? Given Iron Mike's stature and reach, Id say he needs to get close to Brock to hit him, so yes, Brock can get close enough to take him down. Once its on the ground, Mike has no chance with a guy that has 50 lbs on him taking control.

 

[MC Gas Money]

kimbo vs brock sounds more realistic

Does the world need to again see kimbo get his ### handed to him?I say yes

I think kimbo just sucks in the ring.. but yeah I forgot all about that

I enjoy watching him get beat down because hr used to make those videos of him fighting guys half his size who had no training.

Then that overweight, but MMA trained, cop fought and exposed him as a total fraud. Thr only reason he even has a fighting career is because he was an internet star. His skills are so limited he wouldnt come close to making the cut on to an ultimate fighter season

 

[MC Gas Money]

Im not going to read the thread to ctach up. Even though he isnt as good as advertised, Brock wins this pretty easily....unless he's dumb. Which come to thnk of it, Tyson could win.

The question is simply this; can Brock get close enough to take Tyson to the ground? Given Iron Mike's stature and reach, Id say he needs to get close to Brock to hit him, so yes, Brock can get close enough to take him down. Once its on the ground, Mike has no chance with a guy that has 50 lbs on him taking control.

Pretty much.

Tyson has to just tag him with a power punch and its over, and lesnar is not very fast that Mike would struggle to punch. Its close to a 50/50 fight

 

[Cliff Clavin]

His skills are so limited he wouldnt come close to making the cut on to an ultimate fighter season

You mean not counting the time that he was on the Ultimate Fighter for a season?

 

[VA703]

kimbo vs brock sounds more realistic

Does the world need to again see kimbo get his ### handed to him?I say yes

I think kimbo just sucks in the ring.. but yeah I forgot all about that

I enjoy watching him get beat down because hr used to make those videos of him fighting guys half his size who had no training.

Then that overweight, but MMA trained, cop fought and exposed him as a total fraud. Thr only reason he even has a fighting career is because he was an internet star. His skills are so limited he wouldnt come close to making the cut on to an ultimate fighter season

he isn't cut out for mma. boxing only

 

[MC Gas Money]

His skills are so limited he wouldnt come close to making the cut on to an ultimate fighter season

You mean not counting the time that he was on the Ultimate Fighter for a season?

As I said, thats because he was already famous, otherwise he is old and one dimensional. Im sure they got s nice ratings boost from having kimbo on.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

His skills are so limited he wouldnt come close to making the cut on to an ultimate fighter season

You mean not counting the time that he was on the Ultimate Fighter for a season?

As I said, thats because he was already famous, otherwise he is old and one dimensional. Im sure they got s nice ratings boost from having kimbo on.

He won 4 fights against pro MMA fighters including a win in the UFC. Pretty sure that qualifies as "making the cut".

 

[MC Gas Money]

His skills are so limited he wouldnt come close to making the cut on to an ultimate fighter season

You mean not counting the time that he was on the Ultimate Fighter for a season?

As I said, thats because he was already famous, otherwise he is old and one dimensional. Im sure they got s nice ratings boost from having kimbo on.

He won 4 fights against pro MMA fighters including a win in the UFC. Pretty sure that qualifies as "making the cut".

Tomato cans

 

[Spartans Rule]

Elite XC fed Kimbo tomato cans because he was really all their promotion had. When he fought someone legit he got knocked out in 14 seconds and Elite XC went under within a month.

That said, Houston Alexander was fairly reputable when Kimbo beat him in the UFC. I still remember a somewhat surprised Dana White giving Kimbo credit because "he beat a real guy."

 

[Doug B]

Some people have been commenting on Lesnar's size and reach advantages. I know it's stupid to "time travel" this way ... but is a physical-prime George Foreman (6'3", 230 lbs, 82" reach) a better match for Lesnar?

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

His skills are so limited he wouldnt come close to making the cut on to an ultimate fighter season

You mean not counting the time that he was on the Ultimate Fighter for a season?

As I said, thats because he was already famous, otherwise he is old and one dimensional. Im sure they got s nice ratings boost from having kimbo on.

He won 4 fights against pro MMA fighters including a win in the UFC. Pretty sure that qualifies as "making the cut".

Tomato cans

Kimbo Beat Houston Alexander

Alexander beat Keith Jardine

Jardine beat Forrest Griffin

Forrest beat Shogun Rua

Shogun beat Machida

Machida beat Randy Couture

Couture beat Vitor Belfort

Belfort Beat Dan Henderson

Henderson beat Fedor

QED

Kimbo Slice is the greatest MMA fighter of all time.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Some people have been commenting on Lesnar's size and reach advantages. I know it's stupid to "time travel" this way ... but is a physical-prime George Foreman (6'3", 230 lbs, 82" reach) a better match for Lesnar?

I don't think it matters whether it is Mayweather, Ali, Foreman, Tyson or Butterbean. If anyone of those guys any pro boxer catches Lesnar on the way in, its over. Lesnar's last few fights in the UFC showed his lack of chin and that he'd never really been punched before. That being said, the odds of one of those guys landing something flush is slim to none.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Elite XC fed Kimbo tomato cans because he was really all their promotion had. When he fought someone legit he got knocked out in 14 seconds and Elite XC went under within a month.

That said, Houston Alexander was fairly reputable when Kimbo beat him in the UFC. I still remember a somewhat surprised Dana White giving Kimbo credit because "he beat a real guy."

Thats so insulting to the tomato cans

 

[MC Gas Money]

Heres the Kimbo knockout

http://m.youtube.com/results?q=kimbo%20slice%2014%20second%20knockout&sm=1

The best part is the commentator at the end...

" THE GREATEST VICTORY IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS"!!!!

LMAO

 

[Borden]

The deciding factor for me is how vicious Tysons uppercut was. The fight in mind my plays out like this:

Brock charges in and goes for the double. Tyson times the uppercut perfectly and Brock's on queer street. Quick flurry of hooks and it's over.

I do however think Jon Jones or maybe Cain Velasquez vs Tyson would probably be a different story. Brock wasn't a great fighter he was just extremely big and powerful.

 

[MC Gas Money]

The deciding factor for me is how vicious Tysons uppercut was. The fight in mind my plays out like this:

Brock charges in and goes for the double. Tyson times the uppercut perfectly and Brock's on queer street. Quick flurry of hooks and it's over.

I do however think Jon Jones or maybe Cain Velasquez vs Tyson would probably be a different story. Brock wasn't a great fighter he was just extremely big and powerful.

I havent been able to keep up with UFC for years but I heard Brock improved a lot during his run. Is this true?

 

[Spartans Rule]

The deciding factor for me is how vicious Tysons uppercut was. The fight in mind my plays out like this:

Brock charges in and goes for the double. Tyson times the uppercut perfectly and Brock's on queer street. Quick flurry of hooks and it's over.

I do however think Jon Jones or maybe Cain Velasquez vs Tyson would probably be a different story. Brock wasn't a great fighter he was just extremely big and powerful.

I havent been able to keep up with UFC for years but I heard Brock improved a lot during his run. Is this true?

Brock improved rapidly when he first got to UFC, then declined quickly due to his health issues.

He was never very technical in any aspect other than wrestling, but he improved his standup and ground-and-pound to passable levels so that he could overpower people with his physical ability.

 

[MC Gas Money]

The deciding factor for me is how vicious Tysons uppercut was. The fight in mind my plays out like this:

Brock charges in and goes for the double. Tyson times the uppercut perfectly and Brock's on queer street. Quick flurry of hooks and it's over.

I do however think Jon Jones or maybe Cain Velasquez vs Tyson would probably be a different story. Brock wasn't a great fighter he was just extremely big and powerful.

I havent been able to keep up with UFC for years but I heard Brock improved a lot during his run. Is this true?

Brock improved rapidly when he first got to UFC, then declined quickly due to his health issues.

He was never very technical in any aspect other than wrestling, but he improved his standup and ground-and-pound to passable levels so that he could overpower people with his physical ability.

Those roided gargantuans have a short shelf life

 

[Hawks64]

The deciding factor for me is how vicious Tysons uppercut was. The fight in mind my plays out like this:

Brock charges in and goes for the double. Tyson times the uppercut perfectly and Brock's on queer street. Quick flurry of hooks and it's over.

I do however think Jon Jones or maybe Cain Velasquez vs Tyson would probably be a different story. Brock wasn't a great fighter he was just extremely big and powerful.

I havent been able to keep up with UFC for years but I heard Brock improved a lot during his run. Is this true?

Brock improved rapidly when he first got to UFC, then declined quickly due to his health issues.

He was never very technical in any aspect other than wrestling, but he improved his standup and ground-and-pound to passable levels so that he could overpower people with his physical ability.

Those roided gargantuans have a short shelf life

It wasn't the roids that did him in. Diverticulitis that was so severe it required surgery, he lost a ton of weight and never recovered from that.

 

[MC Gas Money]

This is a really tight race

I personally chose tyson. I think he would win a few more fights than Brock if they fought 100 times. Something like 60/40.

Prime Tyson just needs to land one shot to knock you out of your shoes. Lesnar would have a hard time connecting let alone take Mike down with only a few shots before he counters and clobbers you.

If Brock shoots on Tyson he risks getting tagged with a monster punch in addition to his own substantial momentum driving him in to the punch. If that happened a Tyson haymaker could potentially kill him, especially if they were both wearing MMA gloves to be even.

Mike was an absolute animal in his prime. The most feared man in boxing history. When you watched one og his fights you knew the other guy was going to get annihilated and you just wanted to see how badly Mike drops him. The other guy knew it too.

I havent seen much of Lesnar but he didnt have a killer instinct. He looks scarier than he is and would just manhandle you but not neccessarily beat you to a pulp.

Mike was just a beast who was going to scramble your brains.

Maybe eat your children too.

 

[The Z Machine]

The deciding factor for me is how vicious Tysons uppercut was. The fight in mind my plays out like this:

Brock charges in and goes for the double. Tyson times the uppercut perfectly and Brock's on queer street. Quick flurry of hooks and it's over.

I do however think Jon Jones or maybe Cain Velasquez vs Tyson would probably be a different story. Brock wasn't a great fighter he was just extremely big and powerful.

I havent been able to keep up with UFC for years but I heard Brock improved a lot during his run. Is this true?

Brock improved rapidly when he first got to UFC, then declined quickly due to his health issues.

He was never very technical in any aspect other than wrestling, but he improved his standup and ground-and-pound to passable levels so that he could overpower people with his physical ability.

Those roided gargantuans have a short shelf life

It wasn't the roids that did him in. Diverticulitis that was so severe it required surgery, he lost a ton of weight and never recovered from that.

Riiiiiight. It wasn't the fact that he was off the juice that caused him to lose all the muscle mass...

 

[MC Gas Money]

The deciding factor for me is how vicious Tysons uppercut was. The fight in mind my plays out like this:

Brock charges in and goes for the double. Tyson times the uppercut perfectly and Brock's on queer street. Quick flurry of hooks and it's over.

I do however think Jon Jones or maybe Cain Velasquez vs Tyson would probably be a different story. Brock wasn't a great fighter he was just extremely big and powerful.

I havent been able to keep up with UFC for years but I heard Brock improved a lot during his run. Is this true?

Brock improved rapidly when he first got to UFC, then declined quickly due to his health issues.

He was never very technical in any aspect other than wrestling, but he improved his standup and ground-and-pound to passable levels so that he could overpower people with his physical ability.

Those roided gargantuans have a short shelf life

It wasn't the roids that did him in. Diverticulitis that was so severe it required surgery, he lost a ton of weight and never recovered from that.

Never heard of that, looking it up now.

I didnt neccessarily mean to imply that it is the roids that does them in, but guys with that type of physique dont stay as viable long term as a more agile fighter would. That huge muscle mass puts a lot of strain on your bones, joints and ligaments and prevents you from having the agility and elasticity and speed to compete for as long.

Those guys have to maintain a certain amount of speed to remain effective. Onve you lose that all that muscle is worthless and you are just a big target.

As you informed me that wasnt the case with Brock so I am speaking of fighters who are similiar physical specimens.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Why did he go off the juice? Testing caught on to what he was using?

Dont these guys usually use test which is harder to prove they are abusing?

 

[Borden]

The deciding factor for me is how vicious Tysons uppercut was. The fight in mind my plays out like this:

Brock charges in and goes for the double. Tyson times the uppercut perfectly and Brock's on queer street. Quick flurry of hooks and it's over.

I do however think Jon Jones or maybe Cain Velasquez vs Tyson would probably be a different story. Brock wasn't a great fighter he was just extremely big and powerful.

I havent been able to keep up with UFC for years but I heard Brock improved a lot during his run. Is this true?

Brock improved rapidly when he first got to UFC, then declined quickly due to his health issues.

He was never very technical in any aspect other than wrestling, but he improved his standup and ground-and-pound to passable levels so that he could overpower people with his physical ability.

Brock did improve quickly but he was improving from horrible to not as horrible to close to okay. I don't want to completely undercut his progression but he wasn't getting to even where the base line fighters are. The areas where he was improving also helping mask greater short comings. So, he was improving but he's skipping steps. He's only learning what he absolutely has to.

It's like a deep ball receiver who can only run a 9 route when he gets into the NFL but it's an amazing enough 9 route to get him into the league. A coach will teach him to run a quick slant just to keep the corner honest. Is this receiver good at running slants? No but if the DB has worry about the deep ball that much then it will seem like he's running a nice slant since he might be so open and beyond those 2 routes there's not much else our fictional receiver can run.

Brock improved his stand up just enough that when he came towards someone he might throw a punch instead of going for a takedown. His ground game only really improved in his submission defence enough to not get caught in rookie submissions (Like the Frank Mir heel hook) and a couple of beginner level chokes. His ground and pound didn't really improve, he just found out that he can use hammer fists much more effectively than the normal fighter because of his strength.

Sorry for the long winded answer.

 

[Borden]

Why did he go off the juice? Testing caught on to what he was using?

Dont these guys usually use test which is harder to prove they are abusing?

As Hawks said, it wasn't steroids that did him in. It was Diverticulitis. Which is a disease that wrecks the intestines. Lesnar got it from never eating vegetables. They had to remove a bunch of his intestines and he wasn't the same after.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Why did he go off the juice? Testing caught on to what he was using?

Dont these guys usually use test which is harder to prove they are abusing?

As Hawks said, it wasn't steroids that did him in. It was Diverticulitis. Which is a disease that wrecks the intestines. Lesnar got it from never eating vegetables. They had to remove a bunch of his intestines and he wasn't the same after.

The guy only ate meat?!?!

How was he not terribly nutrient deficient?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Tyson street fight vs Mitch Green

Tyson brawl with Lennox Lewis at press conference

 

[SacramentoBob]

Mike Tyson in his prime vs Brock Lesnar right now would still be lopsided in favor of Lesnar.

 

[Softballguy]

Mike Tyson in his prime vs Brock Lesnar right now would still be lopsided in favor of Lesnar.

And I'm a huge Tyson fan.

 

[Borden]

Why did he go off the juice? Testing caught on to what he was using?

Dont these guys usually use test which is harder to prove they are abusing?

As Hawks said, it wasn't steroids that did him in. It was Diverticulitis. Which is a disease that wrecks the intestines. Lesnar got it from never eating vegetables. They had to remove a bunch of his intestines and he wasn't the same after.

The guy only ate meat?!?!

How was he not terribly nutrient deficient?

Vitamin supplements. I'm assuming.