Brock Lesnar vs. Mike Tyson, in their prime (1 Viewer)

[Sheriff66]

Outside of a Bar on a Saturday night... both sober (since we are talking fantasy here)... Tyson would ANNIHILATE him. Most street fights are over in a matter of seconds... drunk slobs throw and land clean punches before any clinches or take downs ever happen. Mike had an EXTREMELY rare combination of blinding hand speed, pin point accuracy, and devastating punching power that only comes along maybe once in a generation. Carwin was able to rock Lesnar with a less than perfect uppercut that almost put Brock to sleep. If a prime Tyson is in position to hit him with that same shot (barehanded), Lesnar's jaw would likely get broken. Legitimately broken.

Tyson better rush in and land that one shot, that would be his only chance to win

 

[Psychopav]

In their prime? Tyson easy. Only way Tyson loses is if he doesn't have his trainer from his prime in this matchup.

Tyson once knocked a guy down 3 times with one punch. Nothing would stop him in his prime.

Everyone knows that was Chuck Norris.

Besides, who says Lesnar's currently even in his prime? Wait until his standup and BJJ improve. I'd say he's got probably 3 years before he's truly in his prime assuming he keeps up with the training at his current pace.

 

[pantagrapher]

Lesnar. Really not close at all.Tyson wasn't even that well-rounded as a boxer. He knocked out a bunch of good-but-not-great fighters easily. He got exposed by Buster Douglas.Lesnar is a better athlete and better in every aspect of fighting except one. He'd easily be able to get a takedown, get to mount and pound Tyson out.

Like he did to Carwin.

Carwin was near Brocks size, and an elite college wrestler who trained to defend takedowns. Has Tyson done this for their random street encouter?

I voted Lesnar. Now I'm just trying to start trouble.

 

[EYLive]

I predict Randy Couture by nutsmothering submission in round 1.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Outside of a Bar on a Saturday night... both sober (since we are talking fantasy here)... Tyson would ANNIHILATE him. Most street fights are over in a matter of seconds... drunk slobs throw and land clean punches before any clinches or take downs ever happen. Mike had an EXTREMELY rare combination of blinding hand speed, pin point accuracy, and devastating punching power that only comes along maybe once in a generation. Carwin was able to rock Lesnar with a less than perfect uppercut that almost put Brock to sleep. If a prime Tyson is in position to hit him with that same shot (barehanded), Lesnar's jaw would likely get broken. Legitimately broken.

So what drunk slobs do is somehow going to dictate the type of fight two professional fighters would have?That's like saying most streetball games are decided by the guys with the craziest dribbling moves, so Rafer Alston would ANNHILATE LeBron James.

 

[Pipes]

I wouldn't bet against Lesnar in a street fight against any human that has ever existed.

Tyson would have a punchers chance but that's about in. Brock is just too damn big (and talented) for someone of Tyson's size to handle.

 

[Abrantes]

Lots of people voting based on aura, crazy and scariness rather than skill matchup.

 

[Psychopav]

I'm a huge Tyson fan, and Lesnar is a gigantic tool, but I'm stunned this is even close. It's not easy to hit a grappler with a punch - they're exceptionally good at deflecting punches and not taking hits in order to close the ground and get a hand on their opponents. And once it goes to ground, it's completely over.

This. I'd bet my next 3 months pay on Lesnar.

someone else said it above. A fight goes to the ground when either one of the people involved want it to. There's no way Tyson is going to sprawl or stuff a Lesnar shot. NO WAY. Lesnar wins this fight 95+ times out of 100. Tyson may be able to connect on a KO shot on a level-lowered, chin-tucked shooting Lesnar, but it would be a miracle.

Also, not claiming either one of these guys are in their prime or world champions, but James Toney has entered the UFC and is fighting Randy Couture at the end of August at 118. Those of you who think boxers will do well outside of the context of a boxing ring, tune in and see. I predict Randy Couture by nutsmothering submission in round 1.

While I agree that Lesnar wins, I disagree with the bolded statement. Just ask Anderson Silva how true that is.That said, we all know that Tyson doesn't have the kind of speed he'd need to keep it from going down.

 

[Chaka]

I'm a huge Tyson fan, and Lesnar is a gigantic tool, but I'm stunned this is even close. It's not easy to hit a grappler with a punch - they're exceptionally good at deflecting punches and not taking hits in order to close the ground and get a hand on their opponents. And once it goes to ground, it's completely over.

Lesnar has never faced anyone with the hand speed and punching power, not to mention his lateral movement. Not anyone even in the same hemisphere as Tyson. If Lesnar doesn't get him on the ground quick he stands no shot. If he gets him to the ground you gotta give Lesnar a significant advantage. Although Tyson had such a compact and deadly cross he would still have a puncher's chance on the ground.

 

[EYLive]

I wouldn't call Lesnar in his prime yet either, he is still learning the sport.

If Brock starts training in muay thai, he'd be able to leg kick the hell out of entire countries.:legsweep:

 

[Chaka]

Trick question.

Epic Beard Man

 

[Harry Manback]

It all depends if Lesnar can get him to the ground without taking a shot.In his prime Tyson had better hand speed & head movement than anyone since Ali and more power than anyone this side of Foreman.But if Lesnar got him to the ground it would be a different story.

You think so?Tyson grew up a street fighter, and was in his fair share of brawls.I'd be more scared of him on the ground to be honest.This really shouldn't even be close.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

A fight goes to the ground when either one of the people involved want it to.

While I agree that Lesnar wins, I disagree with the bolded statement. Just ask Anderson Silva how true that is.That said, we all know that Tyson doesn't have the kind of speed he'd need to keep it from going down.

Yes, you could ask BJ Penn as well. But we're talking about the top 1% upper tier of MMA fighters, and that includes exactly 0 boxers. I'm talking about a random streetfight, and especially a random streetfight where one of the guys was an behemoth musclebound NCAA champion wrestler. Tyson's on his ### within 4 seconds of when he balls his fists up.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Tyson ... would still have a puncher's chance on the ground.

Ridiculous.

 

[Sheriff66]

It all depends if Lesnar can get him to the ground without taking a shot.

In his prime Tyson had better hand speed & head movement than anyone since Ali and more power than anyone this side of Foreman.

But if Lesnar got him to the ground it would be a different story.

You think so?Tyson grew up a street fighter, and was in his fair share of brawls.

I'd be more scared of him on the ground to be honest.

This really shouldn't even be close.

I don't think you're understanding the size, strength and quickness of Lesnar, not to mention his world class grappling.

 

[Psychopav]

I wouldn't call Lesnar in his prime yet either, he is still learning the sport.

If Brock starts training in muay thai, he'd be able to leg kick the hell out of entire countries.:legsweep:

That would be scary too. Or a Brock front kick to the chest...

 

[Harry Manback]

Outside of a Bar on a Saturday night... both sober (since we are talking fantasy here)... Tyson would ANNIHILATE him. Most street fights are over in a matter of seconds... drunk slobs throw and land clean punches before any clinches or take downs ever happen. Mike had an EXTREMELY rare combination of blinding hand speed, pin point accuracy, and devastating punching power that only comes along maybe once in a generation. Carwin was able to rock Lesnar with a less than perfect uppercut that almost put Brock to sleep. If a prime Tyson is in position to hit him with that same shot (barehanded), Lesnar's jaw would likely get broken. Legitimately broken.

Tyson better rush in and land that one shot, that would be his only chance to win

Good luck to anyone charging at Tyson if he's looking at you.

 

[videoguy505]

In their prime? Tyson easy. Only way Tyson loses is if he doesn't have his trainer from his prime in this matchup.

Tyson once knocked a guy down 3 times with one punch. Nothing would stop him in his prime.

FF to about 6:50.If Mills Lane doesn't catch him, Berbick falls a fourth time from the same punch. Won the WBC title to become the youngest heavyweight champ ever.

 

[Doug B]

Besides, who says Lesnar's currently even in his prime? Wait until his standup and BJJ improve. I'd say he's got probably 3 years before he's truly in his prime assuming he keeps up with the training at his current pace.

Jeebus. Is this why the best MMA guys seem to be mid-30s and older?

 

[Doug B]

Lesnar has never faced anyone with the hand speed and punching power, not to mention his lateral movement.

One thing I was thinking about is that Tyson could land hurtful blows even when off his feet, being grappled, being choked, and so forth. I think that even if Lesnar got Tyson into some kind of choke, Lesnar comes out with, at minimum, broken ribs from Tyson's flails.EDIT: and I see in post #64 that Ahrn considers this preposterous.

 

[wikkidpissah]

MMA is samesex snuggling compared to boxing.

Plus, streetfighting is more will than skill. Used to like to jam - 6'4 220, boxed CYO - and loved destroying pumpers who didnt understand hate. And there has never been a more murderous force in public life than Mike Tyson.

 

[Moe.]

Too many people focusing on the differences between boxing and mma and forgetting the size difference between these two people. Lesnar is the size of a bear.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Besides, who says Lesnar's currently even in his prime? Wait until his standup and BJJ improve. I'd say he's got probably 3 years before he's truly in his prime assuming he keeps up with the training at his current pace.

Jeebus. Is this why the best MMA guys seem to be mid-30s and older?

It really depends on experience, # of fights, and how long they've been training. A lot of people think Karo Parisyan is washed up at 27 -- He was fighting professionally at around 16. Lesnar was so late coming into the game that his best years are probably still ahead of him (barring injury). Couture also got into the game very late (age 33/34) so he is definately the exception. I don't think you see a lot of dominate guys over the age of 35/36. 28-32 is probably the sweet spot for people who have been training their whole lives.

 

[Genedoc]

Lesnar has never faced anyone with the hand speed and punching power, not to mention his lateral movement.

One thing I was thinking about is that Tyson could land hurtful blows even when off his feet, being grappled, being choked, and so forth. I think that even if Lesnar got Tyson into some kind of choke, Lesnar comes out with, at minimum, broken ribs from Tyson's flails.

Tyson's punching power is going to be greatly diminished when he's on his back trying to throw punches from a position he's not familiar with while there's a 285 pound man smothering him. Tyson's lone chance is to catch Lesnar coming in, something that Lesnar also knows, and something he's trained most of his life to protect against. Tyson is doing no damage whatsoever from the ground. He's going to get submitted/choked at Lesnar's leisure.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

How many of those who voted for Tyson actually watch MMA?I find most MMA fans watch boxing also, but there is still a good portion of only boxing fans out there.

lets not confuse Lesner with the great mma fighters. I voted Tyson hereI would vote for Royce Gracie/ Shamrock / Severn over Tyson.

 

[wikkidpissah]

Too many people focusing on the differences between boxing and mma and forgetting the size difference between these two people. Lesnar is the size of a bear.

u dont get much smaller than when someone's broken four of your ribs in the 1st 5 seconds of an encounter & brought your chin down to his level.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Tyson could land hurtful blows even when off his feet, being grappled, being choked, and so forth.

No. All your punching power comes from your hip rotation, which comes from driving off of your feet. A boxer (anyone, really) not standing loses the majority of his punching power (I'd guess 80%, if not more).

 

[Doug B]

Too many people focusing on the differences between boxing and mma and forgetting the size difference between these two people. Lesnar is the size of a bear.

"Street fight" gives you some wiggle room, though -- foreign objects, biting, running away for a while, hiding behind things. You can posit a lot of weird equalizing stuff if strict ground rules aren't laid out.

 

[Chaka]

Tyson ... would still have a puncher's chance on the ground.

Ridiculous.

Not at all. Tyson's cross was devastating and incredibly compact. He could throw it from a clench with ridiculous effect. Naturally he would still have to get his hands and shoulder free enough to throw it but that's why I said puncher's chance.And Lesnar would still have to get him to the ground, which would prove tough with no octagon to confine Tyson's movement.

 

[No. 16]

How many of those who voted for Tyson actually watch MMA?I find most MMA fans watch boxing also, but there is still a good portion of only boxing fans out there.

lets not confuse Lesner with the great mma fighters. I voted Tyson hereI would vote for Royce Gracie/ Shamrock / Severn over Tyson.

 

[Chaka]

Lesnar has never faced anyone with the hand speed and punching power, not to mention his lateral movement.

One thing I was thinking about is that Tyson could land hurtful blows even when off his feet, being grappled, being choked, and so forth. I think that even if Lesnar got Tyson into some kind of choke, Lesnar comes out with, at minimum, broken ribs from Tyson's flails.

Tyson's punching power is going to be greatly diminished when he's on his back trying to throw punches from a position he's not familiar with while there's a 285 pound man smothering him. Tyson's lone chance is to catch Lesnar coming in, something that Lesnar also knows, and something he's trained most of his life to protect against. Tyson is doing no damage whatsoever from the ground. He's going to get submitted/choked at Lesnar's leisure.

Most of his life as a collegiate wrestler, fake pro wrestler and aspiring football player?Last I checked none of those involved dodging punches.

On the ground, no doubt Lesnar has a huge advantage. Got to get him there first.

 

[Doug B]

Tyson could land hurtful blows even when off his feet, being grappled, being choked, and so forth.

No. All your punching power comes from your hip rotation, which comes from driving off of your feet. A boxer (anyone, really) not standing loses the majority of his punching power (I'd guess 80%, if not more).

... Tyson gets at least one punch, right? He starts the fight standing. Does Lesnar come at Tyson, or wait for Tyson to come at him?Either way ... while Tyson is up, can't he hurt Lesnar in some manner? Maybe that one punch is enough? I assume Lesnar could avoid a face/jaw shot without too much difficulty, but what part of his body is he ceding to Tyson if he charges in? And can Tyson do enough damage to that ceded bodypart to slow Lesnar down?

 

[Moe.]

Too many people focusing on the differences between boxing and mma and forgetting the size difference between these two people. Lesnar is the size of a bear.

"Street fight" gives you some wiggle room, though -- foreign objects, biting, running away for a while, hiding behind things. You can posit a lot of weird equalizing stuff if strict ground rules aren't laid out.

Yeah that's not how I interpret street fight. I just take it to mean it's neither boxing nor mma, no real rules. Picturing these guys using pool cues etc. sort of goes against the whole point of the exercise, in my opinion. No foreign objects, none of that. Just Lesnar and Tyson.

 

[Doug B]

All your punching power comes from your hip rotation, which comes from driving off of your feet. A boxer (anyone, really) not standing loses the majority of his punching power (I'd guess 80%, if not more).

Ground-&-pound punches have power, though, even while the puncher is kneeling/sitting and can't really rotate the hips -- though obviously, it's way better to be punching from the top position.

 

[EYLive]

When was the last time Tyson got kicked in the knee by a 300 lbs. mixed martial artist?

Lesnar also has a 81" reach. Tyson would have to engage Lesnar to land punches. And when that happens Lesnar takes the fight to the ground and slaps on a choke.

 

[Doug B]

Yeah that's not how I interpret street fight. I just take it to mean it's neither boxing nor mma, no real rules. Picturing these guys using pool cues etc. sort of goes against the whole point of the exercise, in my opinion. No foreign objects, none of that. Just Lesnar and Tyson.

Even with that, though ... how much terrain is available? What kind of terrain? Empty parking lot with a crowd on circling onlookers? A blind alley? An area where there are a lot of parked cars or other obstacles?

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Tyson ... would still have a puncher's chance on the ground.

Ridiculous.

Not at all. Tyson's cross was devastating and incredibly compact. He could throw it from a clench with ridiculous effect. Naturally he would still have to get his hands and shoulder free enough to throw it but that's why I said puncher's chance.And Lesnar would still have to get him to the ground, which would prove tough with no octagon to confine Tyson's movement.

" Tyson's cross was devastating and incredibly compact. He could throw it from a clench with ridiculous effect."

I think you mean uppercut or hook. You can't throw a cross from the clinch. It was those short-range uppercuts that he just demolished clowns with, cartoon style.

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In any case, All of the above flies right out the window when he's not on his feet. the punching power is just gone.

 

[TwinTurbo]

I think an MMA fighter with Lesnar's size and skill would defeat Tyson in a fight with MMA rules. Tyson would win a boxing match.

In a no holds barred street fight, I am going to give a slight edge to Tyson. He probably knocks out Lesnar before it goes to the ground. And I'm not an MMA fighter so maybe I am completely clueless when it comes to "ground" defense tactics but in a no holds barred ground fight it seems the guy on top could still have his ears bitten off or his nuts placed in a vice grip of death. So even on the ground, Tyson would still have some outs. If ear biting, eye gouging, and nut destruction were barred, then Lesnar would win.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Tyson and it's not close.

Especially pissed off/troubled/medicated/liquored Tyson.

 

[Doug B]

When was the last time Tyson got kicked in the knee by a 300 lbs. mixed martial artist?

Tyson is a statue? That lead leg is just that easy of pickings? Lesnar is Pacquiao-fast?

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

All your punching power comes from your hip rotation, which comes from driving off of your feet. A boxer (anyone, really) not standing loses the majority of his punching power (I'd guess 80%, if not more).

Ground-&-pound punches have power, though, even while the puncher is kneeling/sitting and can't really rotate the hips -- though obviously, it's way better to be punching from the top position.

Yep. those punches are less powerful, but sometimes more effective because on the receiving end, the movement of the fighters neck to cushion the blows is gone. Head on the ground and getting punched down on is just bone breaking. I'm assuming that Tyson is going to be on the bottom (I feel pretty good in this assumption too) -- and he's not hurting anyone with punches while lying on his back.

 

[Moe.]

Yeah that's not how I interpret street fight. I just take it to mean it's neither boxing nor mma, no real rules. Picturing these guys using pool cues etc. sort of goes against the whole point of the exercise, in my opinion. No foreign objects, none of that. Just Lesnar and Tyson.

Even with that, though ... how much terrain is available? What kind of terrain? Empty parking lot with a crowd on circling onlookers? A blind alley? An area where there are a lot of parked cars or other obstacles?

You are overcomplicating this. None of that is a factor. It's just Tyson, Lesnar, and the ground. Neither one is going to run away and hide behind a car, or climb up a tree or something dumb like that. They are going to fight until one can't anymore.

 

[Doug B]

You are overcomplicating this. None of that is a factor. It's just Tyson, Lesnar, and the ground. Neither one is going to run away and hide behind a car, or climb up a tree or something dumb like that. They are going to fight until one can't anymore.

Given enough open area, Tyson can attempt to stay away from Lesnar long enough for the big man to tire. And I don't mean a football-field sized area ... just something significantly bigger than a boxing ring. Call it a 40' x 40' square.

 

[TwinTurbo]

All your punching power comes from your hip rotation, which comes from driving off of your feet. A boxer (anyone, really) not standing loses the majority of his punching power (I'd guess 80%, if not more).

Ground-&-pound punches have power, though, even while the puncher is kneeling/sitting and can't really rotate the hips -- though obviously, it's way better to be punching from the top position.

Yep. those punches are less powerful, but sometimes more effective because on the receiving end, the movement of the fighters neck to cushion the blows is gone. Head on the ground and getting punched down on is just bone breaking. I'm assuming that Tyson is going to be on the bottom (I feel pretty good in this assumption too) -- and he's not hurting anyone with punches while lying on his back.

What about a punch to the nuts? I'm pretty sure that would still hurt Lesnar even if Tyson was on the ground. Remember there are no rules in a street fight. Eye gouging, biting, head butts, throat strikes, groin attacks, etc...anything goes. Tyson wouldn't just be reduced to punching at Lesnar's face. This would be crazy eyes killa street fight Tyson that would try to eat Brock's unborn children. I'm not sure I could bet against a crazy in his prime Iron Mike even though Lesnar would be the favorite to win.

 

[Abrantes]

You are overcomplicating this. None of that is a factor. It's just Tyson, Lesnar, and the ground. Neither one is going to run away and hide behind a car, or climb up a tree or something dumb like that. They are going to fight until one can't anymore.

Given enough open area, Tyson can attempt to stay away from Lesnar long enough for the big man to tire. And I don't mean a football-field sized area ... just something significantly bigger than a boxing ring. Call it a 40' x 40' square.

Sure doesn't sound like Tyson. Given that Lesnar has yet to gas out in his MMA career, that could be a lot of running too.

 

[EYLive]

When was the last time Tyson got kicked in the knee by a 300 lbs. mixed martial artist?

Tyson is a statue? That lead leg is just that easy of pickings? Lesnar is Pacquiao-fast?

Well then good luck to Tyson trying to get inside Lesnar's range without getting slammed onto the street.

 

[EYLive]

You are overcomplicating this. None of that is a factor. It's just Tyson, Lesnar, and the ground. Neither one is going to run away and hide behind a car, or climb up a tree or something dumb like that. They are going to fight until one can't anymore.

Given enough open area, Tyson can attempt to stay away from Lesnar long enough for the big man to tire. And I don't mean a football-field sized area ... just something significantly bigger than a boxing ring. Call it a 40' x 40' square.

So in a street fight, Tyson's strategy is to stay away? That weenie.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

All your punching power comes from your hip rotation, which comes from driving off of your feet. A boxer (anyone, really) not standing loses the majority of his punching power (I'd guess 80%, if not more).

Ground-&-pound punches have power, though, even while the puncher is kneeling/sitting and can't really rotate the hips -- though obviously, it's way better to be punching from the top position.

Yep. those punches are less powerful, but sometimes more effective because on the receiving end, the movement of the fighters neck to cushion the blows is gone. Head on the ground and getting punched down on is just bone breaking. I'm assuming that Tyson is going to be on the bottom (I feel pretty good in this assumption too) -- and he's not hurting anyone with punches while lying on his back.

What about a punch to the nuts? I'm pretty sure that would still hurt Lesnar even if Tyson was on the ground. Remember there are no rules in a street fight. Eye gouging, biting, head butts, throat strikes, groin attacks, etc...anything goes. Tyson wouldn't just be reduced to punching at Lesnar's face. This would be crazy eyes killa street fight Tyson.

If he punched him in the nuts Brock would pull out his hunting rifle and just end the whole thing. In all seriousness: If we're just talking about a spy vs spy game of who can one-up the other as far as eye gouges and nut punches go, then no technique really matters at all. I'm assume that Tyson will not chew his way through BLs arm and then take it home with him, and I'm assuming that Brock will not attempt to put both his thumbs through MT's eye sockets, bad 60s kung fu style. If that's the game, then pick whatever ending you want. Anything is possible. If we're talking about the skillset Lesnar has an an MMA fighter against the skillset Tyson has as a boxer, give me Lesnar all day long.

 

[Spartans Rule]

You are overcomplicating this. None of that is a factor. It's just Tyson, Lesnar, and the ground. Neither one is going to run away and hide behind a car, or climb up a tree or something dumb like that. They are going to fight until one can't anymore.

Given enough open area, Tyson can attempt to stay away from Lesnar long enough for the big man to tire. And I don't mean a football-field sized area ... just something significantly bigger than a boxing ring. Call it a 40' x 40' square.

Sure doesn't sound like Tyson. Given that Lesnar has yet to gas out in his MMA career, that could be a lot of running too.

Yeah, no way a lunatic like Mike Tyson is going to be running around to avoid contact. He isn't going to win this (or any) fight with his brain. If he has a chance, it would come through a lucky punch and/or using his insanity.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Besides, who says Lesnar's currently even in his prime? Wait until his standup and BJJ improve. I'd say he's got probably 3 years before he's truly in his prime assuming he keeps up with the training at his current pace.

I dont think Lesnar's bj skills would come into play