Radical Larry
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I saw just about every Tyson fight during his prime. He was a scary, scary boxer. Lesnar still beats him 95% of the time.
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Brock Lesnar vs. Mike Tyson, in their prime (1 Viewer)
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I saw just about every Tyson fight during his prime. He was a scary, scary boxer. Lesnar still beats him 95% of the time.
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Angry Bovine
Only question is if Tyson is fast enough to catch Lesnar as he races down the street away from the punch.
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Angry Bovine
Same here. There was nothing like a Tyson fight. The ferocity he showed was just off the charts.Lesnar is way bigger and arguably faster. Tyson wouldn't be able to stop a takedown and then it would be academic.Radical Larry said:
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Insoxicated
Are you implying Tyson has comparable takedown defense as DIIA national collegiate wrestling champ Carwin?
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Wow. I can't believe this is even close. Lesnar is at least a 10 to 1 favorite in this matchup.
And at people suggesting that Tyson would just sidestep a charging Brock or actually box him with discipline. There's already evidence that this doesn't happen when all-time HW boxing greats street fight.
There is video out there of a HW boxer (who was better than Tyson) in a street fight.
Can't search now, but Larry Holmes did a sick jump off the hood of a car when things got nasty in the street.
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at people suggesting that Tyson would just sidestep a charging Brock or actually box him with discipline. There's already evidence that this doesn't happen when all-time HW boxing greats street fight.There is video out there of a HW boxer (who was better than Tyson) in a street fight.
Can't search now, but Larry Holmes did a sick jump off the hood of a car when things got nasty in the street.
tdoss
Footballguy
Mitch "Blood" Green would probably disagreeWow. I can't believe this is even close. Lesnar is at least a 10 to 1 favorite in this matchup.And
Not sure I agree with Lesnar as such a heavy favorite at all.The way I see it, it's pretty much who gets the first good hit wins it. If Lesnar can charge and get Tyson to the ground, sure Tyson's done. But, if Tyson can get in a good punch, and not necessarily a one punch knock out, but a solid enough shot to stun Lesnar, Tyson has a fantastic chance of winning. Tyson knocked out guys as bigger as Lesnar with boxing gloves on. Now, he gets to hit someone bare knuckled? He gets a shot in the ribs or chest, or head, Lesnar's going to feel it for sure. He hits Lesnar on the button, Lesnar's out cold.Dexter Manley said:Wow. I can't believe this is even close. Lesnar is at least a 10 to 1 favorite in this matchup.
Andat people suggesting that Tyson would just sidestep a charging Brock or actually box him with discipline. There's already evidence that this doesn't happen when all-time HW boxing greats street fight.
There is video out there of a HW boxer (who was better than Tyson) in a street fight.
Can't search now, but Larry Holmes did a sick jump off the hood of a car when things got nasty in the street.
And, which heavyweight boxer is out there who was better than Tyson in his prime? Larry Holmes? no way.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
I already brought it up on page 1...tdoss said:
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
the premise of this poll is probably pretty close to that of a washed-up James Toney versus a 47 year old Randy Couture. at least we'll actually get to see that matchup in a few months. I think Couture will win, but if Toney lands an early shot, it could swing the other way fast.
in the poll I took Tyson, because he eats his opponents' ears, and because of my dislike of Lesnar's reputation as a great MMA fighter.
in the poll I took Tyson, because he eats his opponents' ears, and because of my dislike of Lesnar's reputation as a great MMA fighter.
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B-Deep
Footballguy
loli was going to ask Tyson with a knife vs lesner with a bat?
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Exactly. And Mitch Green was a washed up boxer. Not the top HW MMA guy in the world.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Something else that hasn't been brought up, Tyson couldn't even keep his composure when he was getting headbutted by Holyfield during a boxing match.
If the guy isn't disciplined enough to keep his composure during an actual HW boxing championship bout, it's inconceivable to me that he could do so in a street fight, where it's even more important to do so.
If the guy isn't disciplined enough to keep his composure during an actual HW boxing championship bout, it's inconceivable to me that he could do so in a street fight, where it's even more important to do so.
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
But, Mir beat Lesnar with a foot hold.
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
Here is how I think it would play out
Radical Larry
Footballguy
Yeah, Brock would probably stand there and trade blows with Tyson. Smart strategy.
Drifter
Footballguy
In MMA, they also wear gloves - thin gloves, but gloves nonetheless. Re-introducing rabbit punches in a no-holds barred street fight would also bring things back towards the strikers.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
Lesnar vs. Tyson = Lesnar easyi'm not even sure Tyson in his prime could beat, say, George St. Pierre or Anderson Silva or Lyodo Machida.... I'm absolutely sure he couldn't beat Lesnar...
Radical Larry
Footballguy
Tell that to Samoa Joe.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
if you reverse this it is true...As stated, it is absolutely false. Boxing is NOT fighting. MMA is much, much, MUCH closer to "fighting" than boxing is...
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
that video is absurd...
Chaka
Footballguy
Tyson destroyed Green in that fight. Maybe he wasn't entirely unconscious but that doesn't mean he was coherent and able to defend himself after Tyson put him on the ground, which he did.
shake zula
Footballguy
What I love about this question is that I've been having it with friends for 13 years. Save it was Shamrock instead of Lesnar. GB guys
Sheriff66
Footballguy
You think Tyson is going to man handle Lesnar and put him on the ground ?
Chaka
Footballguy
Boxing skill doesn't translate into fighting?I am surprised that so many people don't realize how truly vicious Tyson was in the ring. One of the reasons he was such a difficult opponent was that everyone was trying to box him while Tyson was trying to kill them. Then there's the blinding hand speed (no such thing as throwing only one punch when he was in his prime, it was all multi-punch combos that came faster than most opponents could visually process), his devastating power (which was scary enough when he had gloves on but down right poop-your-pants terrifying at the thought of no gloves) and his cat like movement (he was almost impossible to hit cleanly).Get him to the ground and Lesnar probably wins but good luck with all that.
Chaka
Footballguy
No I think he's going to knock the fight out of him within the first 20 seconds.But Lesnar's best chance to get Tyson on the ground is to let Tyson put him there and hope Tyson jumps on top.You think Tyson is going to man handle Lesnar and put him on the ground ?
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Sheriff66
Footballguy
As stated earlier in this thread, Lesnar has a 81 inch reach, he may never get the chance to throw that one punch if Lesnar uses his jab. Also, Tyson is a tough guy when he knows he can win, once anyone brings the fight to him, he falls apart. Tyson would have to rush in and pray he lands his one shot, because if he doesn't he is toast.No I think he's going to knock the fight out of him within the first 20 seconds.But Lesnar's best chance to get Tyson on the ground is to let Tyson put him there and hope Tyson jumps on top.You think Tyson is going to man handle Lesnar and put him on the ground ?
Drifter
Footballguy
People seem to think that Tyson would sit back and throw jabs and wait for openings. That's not how he operated. He went through people. And 
at the idea the Lesnar would be okay if he used his "jab", if Lesnar did anything but shoot immediately, he'd be destroyed and then he'd have to pray that Tyson didn't land one of his uppercuts or a bare knuckle rabbit punch to the back of Lesnar's head when he did it.
I think Tyson takes it 7 of 10 times.
at the idea the Lesnar would be okay if he used his "jab", if Lesnar did anything but shoot immediately, he'd be destroyed and then he'd have to pray that Tyson didn't land one of his uppercuts or a bare knuckle rabbit punch to the back of Lesnar's head when he did it.I think Tyson takes it 7 of 10 times.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
If he rushed Lesnar he would be playing right into his hands, and be on the ground before he knew what hit him.People seem to think that Tyson would sit back and throw jabs and wait for openings. That's not how he operated. He went through people. And
I think Tyson takes it 7 of 10 times.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Right. And Tyson couldn't handle getting roughed up in an actual boxing match against Holyfield, who is simply another boxer. Tyson would not fare well against Lesnar, to say the least.People seem to think that Tyson would sit back and throw jabs and wait for openings. That's not how he operated. He went through people. And
I think Tyson takes it 7 of 10 times.
Jewell
Footballguy
What? Isn't a street fight anything goes? Hell, Tyson could bite all the ears he wants. In a fight with no rules, Tyson's craziness could actually work to his advantage. He'd be more apt to do things (eye gouging, biting, etc.) that a non-crazy person may be hesitant to do.I'll still take Brock, though.
Chaka
Footballguy
We're talking about Tyson in his prime here. He was well on the downside when he faced Holyfield, who, by the way, was one of the dirtiest fighters ever.People seem to think that Tyson would sit back and throw jabs and wait for openings. That's not how he operated. He went through people. Andat the idea the Lesnar would be okay if he used his "jab", if Lesnar did anything but shoot immediately, he'd be destroyed and then he'd have to pray that Tyson didn't land one of his uppercuts or a bare knuckle rabbit punch to the back of Lesnar's head when he did it.
I think Tyson takes it 7 of 10 times.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
I know he could. It's anything goes.
Going "crazy" in a street fight against another world class fighter is quite possibly the worst mistake Tyson could make. Remember, there's proper technique for fish hooking, eye gouging, chokes (which are illegal in ufc), etc.Going crazy->being undisiplined->mistakes.Remember, in a street fight there is much less margin of error than in a regulated fight. A fighter makes a mistake in a boxing match or ufc fight, he gets knocked out or submitted. A fighter makes a mistake in a street fight and he can be easily killed.That was my main point. Tyson has shown he cannot maintain his composure and discipline in a boxing match, so I'm highly doubtful he'd be able to do so in a street fight.
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
On second thought I will take Tyson simply because he only has to land one punch. Just one to the giant head of Lesnar and its baby go night night time. I was watching the video that Drifter put up and I cant even count the number of punches that Tyson lands on the heavy bag early in the clip.
Jewell
Footballguy
I hear what you're saying, but my issue is this -- Once Tyson gets taken off his feet he's already crossed his margin of error. Tyson's then on the ground with a collegiate wrestling and MMA champ, and Tyson has zero ground skills of his own. He'd have to resort to crazy sh##.Lesnar Skillset: Ground & Pound, Wrestling, Submissions
Tyson's Skillset: Boxing, Crazy Sh##
You might as well use what you got.
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
Take Frank Bruno who is built similar to Lesnar and Tyson just walked through him like a hot knife through butter. Bruno was trying to hold Tyson and clinching with him and Tyson still was able to get off devastating punches and knock Bruno out.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
yeah, thats a pretty good comparison.
Chaka
Footballguy
I know he's the heavyweight champ and all but is Lesnar considered to be a technically proficient fighter?
Tyson was one of the most well trained and highly skilled fighting machines ever assembled. When Cus D'Amato was training him he was always disciplined and completely focused in the ring. That was his prime. He lost most of that after Cus died but when Cus was alive, nothing could stop Tyson.
Tyson was one of the most well trained and highly skilled fighting machines ever assembled. When Cus D'Amato was training him he was always disciplined and completely focused in the ring. That was his prime. He lost most of that after Cus died but when Cus was alive, nothing could stop Tyson.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
It's not a simple yes or no question. His boxing is very suspect. His BJJ is seemingly nonexistant (well, it was until he pulled of that head/arm choke on Carwin.) So compared to a BJ Penn, GSP, Anderson Silva, the answer is no. BUT....He's one of the best in the world at taking people down and then beating the snot of them. Unless you have an elite-level wrestling background, you can't defend against that. In this hypothetical fight, Tyson can't make Lesnar stand and box with him. Lesnar can make Tyson go to the ground and wrestle with him. As stated, Tyson would have a chance at a knockout as Lesnar shot in on him How much of a chance? I think very small. Some others think it's a near lock. If he doesn't get the KO in that tiny window, he's done.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
bump for fight tomorrow night.
Chris B.
Footballguy
Zangief beats Balrog.bump for fight tomorrow night.
hooter311
Footballguy
Would love to see Couture block a dash punch and then nail Toney with a screw piledriver.Zangief beats Balrog.bump for fight tomorrow night.
McJose
Footballguy
Hey Dale, I haven't been following this story very closely. Who is Toney training with and how much MMA training has he had?bump for fight tomorrow night.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Keith R
The Don
Toney-Coutoure is a very poor substitute for prime Tyson-Lesnar. Toney at his best was an old-school-style middleweight textbook boxer with the fluidity of an Ezzard Charles with good but not outstanding power whose prime was from 1991-1994. Equating today's Toney to prime Tyson would be like trying to access prime Jerry Rice's skill by suiting up Ben Coates and seeing how he would do in the NFL of 2010.
I don't think Coutoure is a legit barometer for assessing Lesnar either. The size difference is huge and the fighting styles are not similar at all.
If you're going to watch the fight, enjoy it for what it is. Don't try to draw any sweeping generalities from it; they wouldn't hold water.
I don't think Coutoure is a legit barometer for assessing Lesnar either. The size difference is huge and the fighting styles are not similar at all.
If you're going to watch the fight, enjoy it for what it is. Don't try to draw any sweeping generalities from it; they wouldn't hold water.
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