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Brock Osweiler (2 Viewers)

Listening the talk show hosts this morning  it sounds like he murdered somebody .

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He might want to consider the Greg Jennings lesson about staying with a team and system with which he is familiar.  A bit more money now may seem nice, but length and success in a career ought to be some factor as well.

 
belljr said:
Listening the talk show hosts this morning  it sounds like he murdered somebody .

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Mike and Mike (I know, nobody listens to those guys) had pretty much the opposite reaction.  Obviously you don't push any person, especially a female, especially when you're 6'8" and a pro athlete, but he appears to have made the smart choice after the dude approached him.

 
Texans interested in Oz

I'm not entirely sure which would be better for him between Denver and Houston, though I would think staying put would generally be better.  If Houston had a legit QB this past year they might have been in the Super Bowl.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
He might want to consider the Greg Jennings lesson about staying with a team and system with which he is familiar.  A bit more money now may seem nice, but length and success in a career ought to be some factor as well.
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Yeah, me might, but I wonder how pissed off Brock Osweiler is that he got benched for Peyton Manning this season.  If he jumps ship for a relatively small increase in pay from another team, I think I'll have my answer.

 
Braktastic said:
Yeah, me might, but I wonder how pissed off Brock Osweiler is that he got benched for Peyton Manning this season.  If he jumps ship for a relatively small increase in pay from another team, I think I'll have my answer.
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I too wondered when he was supplanted by Peyton late in the year.  yeah one could argue it was not then Brock's job, that he was filling in for the injured starter, but it was a hard thing that happened to Brock, and he publicly handled it extremely well.  What was in his private contemplation at that time, I wondered.

 
Why would anyone want any part of following Peyton Manning and a Super Bowl win?  Go to Houston or better yet Cleveland.  You win 8 games in Cleveland they enshrine you in something.

 
Hankmoody said:
Why would anyone want any part of following Peyton Manning and a Super Bowl win?  Go to Houston or better yet Cleveland.  You win 8 games in Cleveland they enshrine you in something.
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Cleveland?  Only Lebron would want to go to Cleveland.

If it were me and the money were not less than Denver offers, I'm pretty sure I'd be off to Houston.  They're a team on the rise, no shadow of Peyton; good team around him, Nuk, Strong, and a few other options, and he wouldn't be the star immediately.  One downside would be if he failed and the team missed the playoffs.  Other downside would be if the system isn't right, but it seems like it should be just fine.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
I too wondered when he was supplanted by Peyton late in the year.  yeah one could argue it was not then Brock's job, that he was filling in for the injured starter, but it was a hard thing that happened to Brock, and he publicly handled it extremely well.  What was in his private contemplation at that time, I wondered.
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Glad to hear it's not just me who had this same thought. 

He sits for almost 4 years, goes 5-2, I think outplays Peyton and then they sit him and quite possibly denied him a chance to be a SB winning QB.

So yes I wonder if he's thinking these thoughts, wondering how much they really support or like him in the building. Then he sees Bradford get handsomely paid and Broncos don't seem to be offering similar money. Maybe he's above it all and understands it's just business, or maybe not.

 
I didn't fault Greg Jennings for leaving for more money, wouldn't fault Brock. You've got a ring, go get paid the most you can before you blow out your knee or have to retire because of concussions.

FWIW: I really think this is just Brock and his agent being smart. Talk to some other teams and drive up the price, Denver matches and you get to stay put AND get Top Dollar.

 
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menobrown said:
Glad to hear it's not just me who had this same thought. 

He sits for almost 4 years, goes 5-2, I think outplays Peyton and then they sit him and quite possibly denied him a chance to be a SB winning QB.

So yes I wonder if he's thinking these thoughts, wondering how much they really support or like him in the building. Then he sees Bradford get handsomely paid and Broncos don't seem to be offering similar money. Maybe he's above it all and understands it's just business, or maybe not.
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I could be wrong, but if I'm him I'm less insulted by the decision to start Peyton, arguably the GOAT, than I am the money currently being offered.

 
Buckna said:
I didn't fault Greg Jennings for leaving for more money, wouldn't fault Brock. You've got a ring, go get paid the most you can before you blow out your knee or have to retire because of concussions.

FWIW: I really think this is just Brock and his agent being smart. Talk to some other teams and drive up the price, Denver matches and you get to stay put AND get Top Dollar.
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I don't fault any player for leaving for more money.  I fault Jennings for leaving for the unlikely potential of an insignificant amount more, and a very real possibility that he would be sitting on the bench of some loser team like the Dolphins in two years and out of football in three rather than the relatively sure thing of completing the full contract in Green Bay.  I fault him for not seeing the real value of the contract and the real value of his opportunity.  I fault him for having the big head to think he created Rodgers, rather than the other way around.  I fault him and his loud mouth sister for trashing the organization that made him rich and famous.

 
As for Osweiler, his best opportunity long term is to stay in a program and an offense with which he is familiar.  Yeah, short term maybe he can sign an apparently more lucrative contract.  I just think he should give some consideration to his next contract as well.  Ask RGIII or Kaepernick about scheme and opportunity.  They can make you or break you.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
As for Osweiler, his best opportunity long term is to stay in a program and an offense with which he is familiar.  Yeah, short term maybe he can sign an apparently more lucrative contract.  I just think he should give some consideration to his next contract as well.  Ask RGIII or Kaepernick about scheme and opportunity.  They can make you or break you.
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But he really only had one year in that offense so yes it's familiar to some degree but it's not like he's spent his whole career in that offense.

 
menobrown said:
But he really only had one year in that offense so yes it's familiar to some degree but it's not like he's spent his whole career in that offense.
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You like to clarify just for its own sake. 

Let's clarify.  Yes, he will be in an offense where he only has one full year head start in Denver.  He will be with Receivers with whom he has several years rapport.  He will be in a City and with a support group he has in place for 4 years, as opposed to having none of that, and presumably having a scant two or three years to make his mark.  I say give yourself every advantage until you have some built up reserve of good will for past performance.  he needs, or should consider that he needs, IMO, every advantage right now to excel.

Can he overcome those disadvantages, sure, maybe, why not, but are they clear disadvantages, unquestionably.

 
Brock Osweiler - QB - Broncos

NFL Network's James Palmer reports the Broncos have ceased negotiating with free agent Brock Osweiler since making him a three-year, $45 million offer "several days ago."

Word leaked of the Broncos' offer on Saturday, March 5, but it conceivably could've been made a few days before that. Breakdown in talks can be a typical obstacle in negotiations, but it obviously prevents any progress from being made, and that's particularly concerning for Denver with the beginning of the new league year less than 24 hours away. ESPN's Adam Schefter reported Tuesday that if Osweiler leaves the Broncos, he'll likely land in Houston.

Source: James Palmer on Twitter Mar 8 - 9:59 PM
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The plot, it thickens.

 
Oof.  So what now, Bron-cow?  Trade for Bradford?  Sign Fitzpatrick?  Kaepernick and RGIII are rumored to be in the mix but even the Broncos can't be that desperate.

 
Braktastic said:
Oof.  So what now, Bron-cow?  Trade for Bradford?  Sign Fitzpatrick?  Kaepernick and RGIII are rumored to be in the mix but even the Broncos can't be that desperate.
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Fitz would be solid.

Chase Daniel!

Just my :2cents:  but I'd look to trade for Mike Glennon.

 
He probably thought he got the shaft for being benched and felt it should have been him as the winning SB QB, not Peyton Manning.  This is his way of sticking it to Denver.  I can't imagine the Broncos not offering at least that much.

 
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JohnnyU said:
He probably thought he got the shaft for being benched and felt it should have been him as the winning SB QB, not Peyton Manning.  This is his way of sticking it to Denver.  I can't imagine the Broncos not offering at least that much.
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$18M/year?

 
JohnnyU said:
Denver probably should have offered as much as Houston did.  I think the kid is pretty good and they will come to regret this.
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Maybe, Denver decided on his value and didn't want to overpay.  I guess time will tell to see who was right.

 
"Osweiler instead took the Texans' four-year, $72 million deal. But money wasn't the only factor at play. He also reportedly felt slighted by the fact that the Broncos had benched him during Week 17, opting to give the offense back to Manning and stick with Manning for the duration of the playoffs. After Manning won a Super Bowl, Osweiler reportedly felt that it would be hard to step out from Manning's shadow. All of this led him to Houston. "

 
Bojang0301 said:
Hey remember when there once was a QB who threatened to go play baseball because he didn't want to play somewhere... Shut up Elway. Good for the kid on getting every red cent the penny pincher, Montgomery Burns ownership group is willing to give.
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The Colts should have called Elway's bluff at the time because he wasn't good enough to play baseball at the highest level....EVER.  Yes, he would have gotten a minor league deal from the Yankees because of who he was, but everything I read about his baseball talent at the time indicated he simply wasn't that good.

 
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bigmarc27 said:
The difference between the $15/yr and $18/yr is pretty negligible in NFL salary terms.  That's like punt return specialist money.  
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CBS saying Denver went to $16m/year.

Though really it comes down to the contract structure.  You can have a $16m and an $18m a year contract that are close to equal with just different big salaries in the final year meant to force a new contract.  Not saying that happened with these two, just it's hard to say how far apart they really are without seeing yearly details.

Edit to add:   ESPN saying difference in guaranteed money was $30m vs $37m.

 
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I have no problem with Elway's comments. Brock's pist because he got benched week #17 and the Broncos went on to win the SB. I will take that every time. Good riddance. 

 
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The full details are in on newly-acquired Texans quarterback Brock Osweiler's four-year, $72 million contract.

The contract includes $37 million guaranteed with $12 million of that total paid out this year in a signing bonus, according to NFL Players Association figures.

The contract averages $18 million pear year.

Osweiler is due a fully guaranteed base salary of $4 million this year for skill, cap and injury and a $5 million roster bonus on March 16 for a total first-year payout of $21 million.

Osweiler has a fully guaranteed base salary of $16 million in 2017 for a two-year payout of $37 million.

He has an $18 million nonguaranteed base salary in 2018 for a three-year payout of $55 million.

He's due nonguaranteed base salary of $13 million in 2019.

Osweiler is scheduled for a $4 million roster bonus in March of 2019.
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So $21m in year one, $16m in year two, all guaranteed.   Then $18m and $17m in years 3 and 4.  I need to refresh myself on salary vs signing bonus guarantees when it comes to prorating, but if only the signing bonus gets prorated as I'm thinking, if cut after 2 years it would be a $6m cap hit but $12m cap savings that year (or could be spread over 2 years).  So they can get out of it decently at least if he doesn't work out.
 
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FUBAR said:
Just my :2cents:  but I'd look to trade for Mike Glennon.
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Came on here to say much the same thing. I know that it is easy to make up trades for fantasy purposes etc but how long will Tampa hang on to this guy?

 
It could just be petty, or part of it anyway. But his front office had a Super Bowl winner and have now lost multiple key pieces including all their worthwhile QBs.  I think the criticism is more about deflecting fan base criticism away from the team (and himself) by focusing it on the players that left. It could still get worse for them if they can't get some of the better remaining options. Or how will it look if they, say, end up paying a Fitzpatrick with little future value, similar money as Osweiler got who has long term potential?

And Osweiler's getting close to 25% more guaranteed money even if he flames out. $7m extra. I'm sure the benching and the lack of negotiations played a significant role, as did probably going to a spot that is ready to embrace any non-retread QB as opposed to judging him against Manning and Elway every start. But let's not ignore the difference in the financial offers. It was substantial for an unproven guy where guaranteed money is key.

 
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Greg Russell said:
It could just be petty, or part of it anyway. But his front office had a Super Bowl winner and have now lost multiple key pieces including all their worthwhile QBs.  I think the criticism is more about deflecting fan base criticism away from the team (and himself) by focusing it on the players that left. It could still get worse for them if they can't get some of the better remaining options. Or how will it look if they, say, end up paying a Fitzpatrick with little future value, similar money as Osweiler got who has long term potential?

And Osweiler's getting close to 25% more guaranteed money even if he flames out. $7m extra. I'm sure the benching and the lack of negotiations played a significant role, as did probably going to a spot that is ready to embrace any non-retread QB as opposed to judging him against Manning and Elway every start. But let's not ignore the difference in the financial offers. It was substantial for an unproven guy where guaranteed money is key.
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I'm not 100% sure that Elway was making a jab at Oz with that comment about 'players that want to be here'.  It reads as kind of a pointed statement, but maybe he didn't mean it that way. 

If he DID mean it that way, then it comes off a little bit as sour grapes.  He knows the reality of the situation, and that players need to look out for themselves.  

I'm also not 100% sure that he didn't go to a better situation.  The Broncos just won the Super Bowl, does that mean they have the best chance to succeed over the next two years?  Don't know about that.  Texans made the playoffs with nothing at QB, what does that say about their team?

Broncos have no more bargain players anymore, all their top players are making dollars.  They spent in free agency the last few years--and it worked.  It was the right move.  But the way the team was built--Ware, Sanders, Ward, Talib.....it was going to be tough to build a dynasty that way.  They have to let some homegrown talent go.  

 
Greg Russell said:
It could just be petty, or part of it anyway. But his front office had a Super Bowl winner and have now lost multiple key pieces including all their worthwhile QBs.  I think the criticism is more about deflecting fan base criticism away from the team (and himself) by focusing it on the players that left. It could still get worse for them if they can't get some of the better remaining options. Or how will it look if they, say, end up paying a Fitzpatrick with little future value, similar money as Osweiler got who has long term potential?

And Osweiler's getting close to 25% more guaranteed money even if he flames out. $7m extra. I'm sure the benching and the lack of negotiations played a significant role, as did probably going to a spot that is ready to embrace any non-retread QB as opposed to judging him against Manning and Elway every start. But let's not ignore the difference in the financial offers. It was substantial for an unproven guy where guaranteed money is key.
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The money is important but so is not being compared to Peyton and having anything but a Super Bowl appearance his fault.

 
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