Ghost Rider
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Josh McDaniels.
Being talked about on ESPN right now.
Being talked about on ESPN right now.
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Broncos hire Josh McDaniels (1 Viewer)
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gonzobill5
Footballguy
from the pats?
gonzobill5
Footballguy
The guy is like 30 years old.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Yes, the guy from the Pats. He is 32. Wonder if he is bringing his Spygate equipment. 
kneeunthaface
Footballguy
Who's going to be the D-Coordinator?
gonzobill5
Footballguy
Wonder how that will play out with a team used to playing under a veteran coach with a well established reputation to a guy who has no real identity yet.Yes, the guy from the Pats. He is 32. Wonder if he is bringing his Spygate equipment.
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ianfitzy
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I'm happy for McDaniels. Hopefully he has a chance to succeed in Denver. They have good pieces in place and a franchise QB. McDaniels is young but has the reputation of being very good with QBs so hopefully it is a positive for Cutler.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
As a JEt fan I am happy! I was worried about Denver grabbing Spags or Rex as it is a better job IMO - interesting that they get rid of Shanny for a younger clone...
I now think the JEts have the best situation right now comapred to the other teams out there so they should have their choice of Rex or Spags.
I now think the JEts have the best situation right now comapred to the other teams out there so they should have their choice of Rex or Spags.
moleculo
Footballguy
McDaniels is not an ***official Moleculo endorsed pick***, but I'm optimistic none the less. Bates apparently modeled the Denver O after the 2007 Pats, so they should be on the same page philosophically.
I am hopeful that McDaniels = Shanahan of 1995 - innovative, young, and ready to lead the Broncos into a new direction.
Word in the DC will be Sean McDermott from Philly - DB coach. Capers has also been speculated.
I am hopeful that McDaniels = Shanahan of 1995 - innovative, young, and ready to lead the Broncos into a new direction.
Word in the DC will be Sean McDermott from Philly - DB coach. Capers has also been speculated.
moleculo
Footballguy
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Capers is a good hire -- I always thought he was a strong defensive guy.
Who knows about McDaniels. At least he's older than his QB.
Who knows about McDaniels. At least he's older than his QB.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I'm not going to prejudge any hire these days; hopefully we've all learned better. I sincerely hope that the Broncos bring in a confident, seasoned GM though; and it will be interesting to see if someone like that will happily come aboard even though they'll have no say in the coaching staff.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Sure, and then he helped take a guy who hadn't started since high school and turn him into an offensive monster worthy of his own right of being franchised by the Pats. I don't think you can question McDaniels credentials based on what we see from the outside, what we don't know really is what kind of role he really played within the Pats construct.
I'm not sure if the Jets job is the best one available, when you factor in being a NY team and the pressure to succeed immediately with a somewhat overrated roster, I think the Rams job would be my choice if I were a HC candidate. As for the McDaniels(and likely Capers) hire, I love it, at least from a fantasy perspective. Cutler is already in place, and like others have said McDaniels did an excellent job with Cassel, who people forget was considered one of the worst backups in the league coming into the season. Marshall and Royal both are young and look great and they have some nice pieces on the o-line. I'm curious to see how Scheffler will be involved, but I don't expect this offense to look too different than it did this season from a production standpoint.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
as a bolt fan this is good news for today
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
Interesting hire
Chaka
Footballguy
He was?
Avery
Footballguy
He has a good resume but there are intangibles of leadership that allows some very good coordinators to succeed as head coaches and some to fail regardless of their football acumen.
How anyone can say if this is a good or bad hire at this point is beyond me.
It does indicate the the Broncos seem to be looking for continuity at the head coach position judging by the age of the guy they've hired rather than an older "re-tread".
How anyone can say if this is a good or bad hire at this point is beyond me.
It does indicate the the Broncos seem to be looking for continuity at the head coach position judging by the age of the guy they've hired rather than an older "re-tread".
NoFBinLA
Moderator
Except that the oline is a train wreck, the QB a shattered mess and the defense couldn't stop a flea. I think the Rams is a huge project. I don't know it's a coveted one.
MogusMaximus
Footballguy
Nolan hired as DC with Capers on staff. Looking good.
Yes he was. He was almost cut in the preseason and several Pats writers and fans thought he should have been and that they should have just given the backup job to O'Connell or Gutierrez.I would go so far as to say that if Brady hadn't gotten hurt, there is a decent chance Cassel's NFL career wouldn't have extended past this season.
And yes, I believe McDaniels was just as(if not more) responsible for Cassel's success than anyone. The more I think about this hire, the more upset I'd be if I were a fan of any other AFC West team.
I'm not saying the Rams are a better team than the Jets, because they aren't, I'm saying if I were a potential coach and had my choice of the two jobs I'd rather have the Rams job.Look at it like this:The Jets have a talented roster but also very high expectations in a big market and a short leash with a disappointing season. Hell, Mangini had 2 winning seasons in 3 years and he got the boot. What happens if you go 7-9 in 09'? Probably a good chance you get fired, or have to deal with constant scrutiny for not being fired.With the Rams, you get:2nd pick in the draftSome solid young talent(Jackson, Long, Carriker, Avery etc)A much easier divisionLower expectations(that 7-9 year would probably earn an extension in St. Louis)Far more job securityQuite frankly, I don't think this is close. Also, I don't think the Rams QB situation is really any worse than New York's.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
I don't view McDaniels as anything remotely close to a Shanny clone.
Chaka
Footballguy
Pure speculation by beat writers with nothing better to do and fans panicking after Brady got hurt and Cassel didn't immediately throw for 800 yards & 7TDs in the first quarter of his first game. Gutierrez was waived before the season started, no one claimed him so he went to the practice squad, was only called up after Brady went down and was on the inactive list for most if not all of the Pats games. They liked him so much they kept a rookie from the Mountain West conference on the roster over him.
The Pats never waivered from Cassel. He has been the understudy of one of the best QBs in the game for three years, and has seen plenty of practice & preseason reps.
Just because no one had heard of him or seen him play since high school doesn't mean he was considered to be one of the worst backup QBs in the league. And just because he performed well doesn't mean that Josh McDaniel is the sole reason for it.
There are three very good reason he didn't get any PT before this season Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart & Tom Brady. And Cassel may have been better than Leinart all along, it was a tough competition in spring camp between him and Leinart back at USC.
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Capers is a sound hire if they get him the right defenders to play his system. The Broncos have had their share of good defensive players but for whatever reason not a top D. If it's more practice time or better subs or whatever "little" thing, they'd better give it to him.
McDaniels might be a good hire. Who is their OC? Will he listen to a 32 year old? Will they clash?
I think Welker is one of the best WRs in the game and at any moment Moss is simply unstoppable. I don't give the OC too much credit for their passing attack. I wouldn't take it as a negative but there's a definite cushy job sense from it. I think he needed more seasoning.
McDaniels might be a good hire. Who is their OC? Will he listen to a 32 year old? Will they clash?
I think Welker is one of the best WRs in the game and at any moment Moss is simply unstoppable. I don't give the OC too much credit for their passing attack. I wouldn't take it as a negative but there's a definite cushy job sense from it. I think he needed more seasoning.
bostonfred
Footballguy
If another team, say, St. Louis had brought in McDaniels, everyone would be saying, wow, they're taking a risk but maybe it'll pan out. If St. Louis brought in Shanahan, though, everyone would be saying, wow, great hire, they're going to be really good. Is there really any objective measure at this point by which we can say Denver made a good move firing Shanahan and hiring McDaniels?
harryhood
Footballguy
So whether its a good hire or not, it is still a hire and yes the Weiss, Mangini's, Crennell's of the world didnt work out. But for every one of those there are the Smith's, Harbaugh's of the world. From a football perspective, mainly fantasy, lets talk value.
McDaniel - obviously going to instill his system and I have seen Denver run similar packages. Those zero-passes to Marshal and Scheffler would make me think your going to see Cutler run that same style offense.
Obviously this will benefit the strong arm cutler, he can dink/dunk his way down field as well as throw the deep ball when he wants to.
My main question would be, who gets the Welker type routes? Both Marshall and Royal go get it down field and I have seen both of them catch the zero-pass. Seems to me like you could have two WRs in this offense capable of breaking a deep ball downfield(something NE never could do with Welker, those routes were Moss') as well as being able to catch those short passes in space and put the moves out to get good YAC.
I think from a FF standpoint, this helps the Cutler, Marshall, Royal trifecta........even more so in PPR
McDaniel - obviously going to instill his system and I have seen Denver run similar packages. Those zero-passes to Marshal and Scheffler would make me think your going to see Cutler run that same style offense.
Obviously this will benefit the strong arm cutler, he can dink/dunk his way down field as well as throw the deep ball when he wants to.
My main question would be, who gets the Welker type routes? Both Marshall and Royal go get it down field and I have seen both of them catch the zero-pass. Seems to me like you could have two WRs in this offense capable of breaking a deep ball downfield(something NE never could do with Welker, those routes were Moss') as well as being able to catch those short passes in space and put the moves out to get good YAC.
I think from a FF standpoint, this helps the Cutler, Marshall, Royal trifecta........even more so in PPR
Tanner9919
Footballguy
dink-n-dunk offense will be great for Cutler, no so great for the 'Denver RB' , as its known. bad news for Scheffler..Marshall should continue to get a lot of passes and long TD's!!
will it require a rotating tandem of RB's ala NE with Morris, Faulk, Jordan, Maroney, etc?
Looks like Denver's RB situation has finally bitten the dust from a fantasy perspective..
problem is, not ONE Bellichick disciple has gone on to do great things as a HC -
Crennel - nope.
Mangini - nope.
Charlie Weiss - nope.
Saban - From an NFL head coaching perspective:
Al Groh -
out of the box, things don't look good for McDaniels..
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SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
The Broncos are better off top to bottom in terms of personnel than St. Louis. That and the fact that McDaniels is not being given the GM/personnel keys means that this is necessarily a huge risk by Denver depending on who else they bring in.
Groh and Saban are more independent from Belichick in terms of their resumes as defensive guys than Crennel and Mangini, so it's kinda hard to throw them all in one bucket. As others have noted, Weiss was a very good offensive guy before he ever met Belichick.The "best" ways of evaluating Belichick's coaching tree legacy, if there is such a thing, are (a) Mangini and (b) Crennel. Time will tell if they are busts.dink-n-dunk offense will be great for Cutler, no so great for the 'Denver RB' , as its known. bad news for Scheffler..Marshall should continue to get a lot of passes and long TD's!!
will it require a rotating tandem of RB's ala NE with Morris, Faulk, Jordan, Maroney, etc?
Looks like Denver's RB situation has finally bitten the dust from a fantasy perspective..
problem is, not ONE Bellichick disciple has gone on to do great things as a HC -
Crennel - nope.
Mangini - nope.
Charlie Weiss - nope.
Saban - From an NFL head coaching perspective:
Al Groh -
out of the box, things don't look good for McDaniels..
Jason Wood
Zoo York
BFred, I 100% agree with you. As I've been saying for some time now, the decision to fire a coach is only as good as the next guy hired. We'll be able to determine if this was a good move a few years from now, not days.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
All of those guys, except Mangini and Saban, are Parcells disciples. Saban only spent one year under BB, and came from college, not BB. And if you're going to ignore college success (Saban) then you should scratch Weis off the list, for that reason as well.dink-n-dunk offense will be great for Cutler, no so great for the 'Denver RB' , as its known. bad news for Scheffler..Marshall should continue to get a lot of passes and long TD's!!
will it require a rotating tandem of RB's ala NE with Morris, Faulk, Jordan, Maroney, etc?
Looks like Denver's RB situation has finally bitten the dust from a fantasy perspective..
problem is, not ONE Bellichick disciple has gone on to do great things as a HC -
Crennel - nope.
Mangini - nope.
Charlie Weiss - nope.
Saban - From an NFL head coaching perspective:
Al Groh -
out of the box, things don't look good for McDaniels..
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Kiddnets
Footballguy
I think Rex has the personality to handle NY - he would take over a team that should have been in the playoffs. Great OL; solid skills players; good defense - besides the glaring hole at QB (and a big one at that) this team is ready to win. He wouldn't get fired in 1 yr - Mangini wouldn't have been fird if he started out 3-7 and finished up 9-7 - it was the way that the team folded and for good reason that MAngini was firedThe Rams look years away - and isn't their ownership in flux? Nothing scares a HC away like a team that might be sold - not sure on that one but if it is it will be a factor. As for Mcdaniel - I should have said another ofensive minded HC like shanny - I really thought they would bring in a Defensive coach like Spags. Must have thought with Cutler on board its best to go with their strength. Nolan would be a good DC for them - I am just soured on the Bellichick tree so far!
T Bell
Footballguy
I'm a bit surprised by this hire given McDaniels' age, but for two offseasons in a row McDaniels has obviously impressed people given the buzz around him. He must really be great in an interview and have a lot of people who have worked with him who support him and who give him good references.
T Bell
Footballguy
OTOH, when you're the head coach of a team in the NYC market you also can as much as double your income off of endorsement opportunities, and your ability after your coaching days or in between jobs to get on the air as a commentator is greater after you've worked in that market too. Thinking like the prototypical hard charging, egotistical NFL head coach type, I agree that it doesn't seem close, but not in the way you're thinking.
Wow. I disagreed with the Shanahan firing. Mainly because of the "who can you realistically replace him with?" angle. McDaniels would be a prime example of that. He might be John Harbaugh. He might be Dave Shula. We'll see.
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Mark Wimer
Moderator
I think this is clearly the rationale for the hiring. Shanahan had his pick of 3 different guys to replace Elway (Griese, then Plummer, then Cutler) and couldn't win playoff games with any of these guys. Cutler has a ton of potential and after how the Patriots brought along Matt Cassel to be Brady's replacement this year the Denver organization must be thinking that Cutler can go to a new level of play with McDaniels as the HC. My. 02.
T Bell
Footballguy
"Couldn't win playoff games" with Cutler? This doesn't make a lot of sense. Griese was clearly limited even early in his career, and Plummer, a veteran, was more or less a known quantity who Shanny nevertheless extracted every bit of performance he could out of him. Cutler, who I very much like, looks like the real deal. I think we can all say that the Broncos have found their next franchise QB. With that in mind, why right now at this early date in Cutler's career would we assume that Shanny was holding him back regarding playoffs and playoff wins? Cutler's been the starter there for less than three seasons. There are plenty of QB's who took longer to win in the playoffs than that, most notably Peyton Manning. I've been on who's been critical of Shanahan's mediocre post-Elway record, but if the rationale is that he's somehow "failed with Cutler", I think that's premature. I think this firing probably has more to do with pouring resources into one of the highest payrolls in the league for a decade and having very little to show for it. Looking only at the QB position misses that, particularly the huge amounts of money spent on defenses that achieved little for the most part.I think this is clearly the rationale for the hiring. Shanahan had his pick of 3 different guys to replace Elway (Griese, then Plummer, then Cutler) and couldn't win playoff games with any of these guys. Cutler has a ton of potential and after how the Patriots brought along Matt Cassel to be Brady's replacement this year the Denver organization must be thinking that Cutler can go to a new level of play with McDaniels as the HC. My. 02.
My guess would be Brandon Stokley.
waybackwhen
Footballguy
I would have to say Eddie Royal. Even though he has a little bit more of the "homerun" threat to him than Welker. I am sure that there will be plenty of passes to go around though.
T Bell
Footballguy
Welker's a slot WR. The question is, who's better in the slot, Stokely or Royal? I suspect Stokely is a better fit for that role, but I didn't watch much of Royal this year so I'm not absolutely sure of that.
Morton Muffley
Footballguy
I live in NE and follow the Pats very closely...over the years I've heard nothing but good things about McDaniels. As many of you know, Belichick keeps a pretty tight wrap on things around here. Case in point, three years ago when Weiss left for ND, McDaniels was assumed to have been given play calling duties, but was was not named the offensive coordinator (officially there wasn't one), was not made available to the press (belichick doesn't let any coordinators/coaches speak to the press), and Belichick would neither confirm nor deny that McDaniels was actually calling the plays. Two years ago, McDaniels was officially given the title of Offensive Coordinator, but still wasn't allowed to speak to the press.
As such, I really hadn't heard him speak until last night when a local Boston TV station aired a brief, informal, walk-and-talk interview with McDaniels. Well, let's just say if you were to judge his likelihood of success based upon his presence/demeanor you would be short-selling this stock. He came across to me as very young, lacked authority, and was a bit inarticulate.
Again, I'm not saying he can't/won't be a good coach, but he reminded me more of Lane Kiffin than Mike Tomlin.
As always, just my opinion as I wish him all the best.
As such, I really hadn't heard him speak until last night when a local Boston TV station aired a brief, informal, walk-and-talk interview with McDaniels. Well, let's just say if you were to judge his likelihood of success based upon his presence/demeanor you would be short-selling this stock. He came across to me as very young, lacked authority, and was a bit inarticulate.
Again, I'm not saying he can't/won't be a good coach, but he reminded me more of Lane Kiffin than Mike Tomlin.
As always, just my opinion as I wish him all the best.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I feel the same way.I'm rooting for McDaniels because we grew up in the same area and he's a friend of a friend. But you have to question how much of New England's success can really be attributed to any of the coaches outside of Belichick. Everyone raved about the genius of Weis and Crennel, and then both have been abject failures as head coaches. Who knows though, we may find out that McDaniels was the offensive genius behind their success. He was, after all, the QB coach when Brady came out of nowhere and became and elite QB. As McDaniel's role grew, the offense got better and better. When he was named Offensive Coordinator last season, the Pats put up record breaking numbers. When Brady went down this year, yet another unheralded QB stepped in and the team's offense did remarkably well.Maybe the question is really a double-sided question. If McDaniels IS successful and he WAS a large reason that New England's offense was so good, what does that mean for New England's offense going forward?
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