Bronco's insiders, CJ Anderson? (1 Viewer)

[omegamaulers]

Any Bronco's homers/insiders think C J Anderson will have any value this year?? Or will Ball and company be good enough to keep him off the field?

 

[ffrookie]

Based on what I have seen so far, Anderson has every chance to be good. The big question is how he will be in pass protection as this will dictate how much playing time he might get

 

[JetMaxx]

Or will Ball and company be good enough to keep him off the field?

Did you even watch week 1?? Those RBs are horrible and their poor performance completely justified why Elway kept the injured and undrafted Anderson on the 53 man. Hop on now my friend, the CJ choo choo will be great ride.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=685757&hl=

 

[Bronco Billy]

DEN rostered him and cut Lance Ball even when they could have chosen to hide Anderson on PUP or IR, or floated him to the PS. I think that says the DEN management thinks highly of him.

I see him as ending up as the primary handcuff to Ball with Moreno and Hillman fighting it out for the CoP, and the loser of that battle being either a healthy scratch or a cut later on, possibly bleeding into next year. Outside shot of making Ball his handcuff, as DEN is desperately looking for a RB to run strong between the tackles and hold LBs from their drops into coverage. Moreno and Hillman have both proven emphatically they offer little to nothing running inside.

 

[nb009]

This is crazy. Anderson has absolutely no value this season. Unless both Moreno and Ball get injured, at max, his value is just another cog in the RBBC.

I laugh at the thought that an undrafted/injured rookie would somehow supplant a healthy/second round rookie, who by all accounts isn't crapping the bed Pead style.

 

[Bayhawks]

DEN rostered him and cut Lance Ball even when they could have chosen to hide Anderson on PUP or IR, or floated him to the PS. I think that says the DEN management thinks highly of him.

I see him as ending up as the primary handcuff to Ball with Moreno and Hillman fighting it out for the CoP, and the loser of that battle being either a healthy scratch or a cut later on, possibly bleeding into next year. Outside shot of making Ball his handcuff, as DEN is desperately looking for a RB to run strong between the tackles and hold LBs from their drops into coverage. Moreno and Hillman have both proven emphatically they offer little to nothing running inside.

They couldn't have put him on PUP, because he practiced in per-season. If they had tried to IR him, I think other teams could have made waiver claim on him. So the Broncos wanted to keep him, but thar doesn't mean he has a meaningful roe this year.

 

[petenice15]

Has Cecil weighed in on this at all?

 

[Bronco Billy]

DEN rostered him and cut Lance Ball even when they could have chosen to hide Anderson on PUP or IR, or floated him to the PS. I think that says the DEN management thinks highly of him.

I see him as ending up as the primary handcuff to Ball with Moreno and Hillman fighting it out for the CoP, and the loser of that battle being either a healthy scratch or a cut later on, possibly bleeding into next year. Outside shot of making Ball his handcuff, as DEN is desperately looking for a RB to run strong between the tackles and hold LBs from their drops into coverage. Moreno and Hillman have both proven emphatically they offer little to nothing running inside.

They couldn't have put him on PUP, because he practiced in per-season. If they had tried to IR him, I think other teams could have made waiver claim on him. So the Broncos wanted to keep him, but thar doesn't mean he has a meaningful roe this year.

What are you talking about? Players on IR can't be signed by other teams. And PUP means physically unable to perform and players who are injured anytime in preseason can be placed on that list. Either way saves the team a roster spot and protects the player.

 

[Bayhawks]

DEN rostered him and cut Lance Ball even when they could have chosen to hide Anderson on PUP or IR, or floated him to the PS. I think that says the DEN management thinks highly of him.

I see him as ending up as the primary handcuff to Ball with Moreno and Hillman fighting it out for the CoP, and the loser of that battle being either a healthy scratch or a cut later on, possibly bleeding into next year. Outside shot of making Ball his handcuff, as DEN is desperately looking for a RB to run strong between the tackles and hold LBs from their drops into coverage. Moreno and Hillman have both proven emphatically they offer little to nothing running inside.

They couldn't have put him on PUP, because he practiced in per-season. If they had tried to IR him, I think other teams could have made waiver claim on him. So the Broncos wanted to keep him, but thar doesn't mean he has a meaningful roe this year.

What are you talking about? Players on IR can't be signed by other teams. And PUP means physically unable to perform and players who are injured anytime in preseason can be placed on that list. Either way saves the team a roster spot and protects the player.

What are you talking about? A player can't be put on PUP if they practice or play on the preseason, AT ALL! As for the IR rule, perhaps I was not specific enough. If a team places a player on IR with a minor injury, he must be released if he passes a physical during his IR stint, which Anderson would have.

 

[Bronco Billy]

DEN rostered him and cut Lance Ball even when they could have chosen to hide Anderson on PUP or IR, or floated him to the PS. I think that says the DEN management thinks highly of him.

I see him as ending up as the primary handcuff to Ball with Moreno and Hillman fighting it out for the CoP, and the loser of that battle being either a healthy scratch or a cut later on, possibly bleeding into next year. Outside shot of making Ball his handcuff, as DEN is desperately looking for a RB to run strong between the tackles and hold LBs from their drops into coverage. Moreno and Hillman have both proven emphatically they offer little to nothing running inside.

They couldn't have put him on PUP, because he practiced in per-season. If they had tried to IR him, I think other teams could have made waiver claim on him. So the Broncos wanted to keep him, but thar doesn't mean he has a meaningful roe this year.

What are you talking about? Players on IR can't be signed by other teams. And PUP means physically unable to perform and players who are injured anytime in preseason can be placed on that list. Either way saves the team a roster spot and protects the player.

What are you talking about? A player can't be put on PUP if they practice or play on the preseason, AT ALL! As for the IR rule, perhaps I was not specific enough. If a team places a player on IR with a minor injury, he must be released if he passes a physical during his IR stint, which Anderson would have.

You might want to revisit the PUP rule. Google it if you have to. And you also seem to misunderstand IR. Some research by you would be in order.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

DEN rostered him and cut Lance Ball even when they could have chosen to hide Anderson on PUP or IR, or floated him to the PS. I think that says the DEN management thinks highly of him.

I see him as ending up as the primary handcuff to Ball with Moreno and Hillman fighting it out for the CoP, and the loser of that battle being either a healthy scratch or a cut later on, possibly bleeding into next year. Outside shot of making Ball his handcuff, as DEN is desperately looking for a RB to run strong between the tackles and hold LBs from their drops into coverage. Moreno and Hillman have both proven emphatically they offer little to nothing running inside.

They couldn't have put him on PUP, because he practiced in per-season. If they had tried to IR him, I think other teams could have made waiver claim on him. So the Broncos wanted to keep him, but thar doesn't mean he has a meaningful roe this year.

What are you talking about? Players on IR can't be signed by other teams. And PUP means physically unable to perform and players who are injured anytime in preseason can be placed on that list. Either way saves the team a roster spot and protects the player.

What are you talking about? A player can't be put on PUP if they practice or play on the preseason, AT ALL! As for the IR rule, perhaps I was not specific enough. If a team places a player on IR with a minor injury, he must be released if he passes a physical during his IR stint, which Anderson would have.

You might want to revisit the PUP rule. Google it if you have to. And you also seem to misunderstand IR. Some research by you would be in order.

He has it right. You have it wrong.

A player who practices even one time during the preseason is ineligible for PUP once the regular season belongs.

The second one is tricky and I'm not sure I've got it right, but I believe that players who are injured prior to the setting of the 53 man roster must be cut and subjected to waivers before they can be placed on IR. Only players who make the 53 can be placed on permanent IR without passing through waivers first. Even if that's not quite right I'm pretty sure the gist of it is -- players have to pass through waivers before being IRd during the preseason.

 

[moleculo]

DEN rostered him and cut Lance Ball even when they could have chosen to hide Anderson on PUP or IR, or floated him to the PS. I think that says the DEN management thinks highly of him.

I see him as ending up as the primary handcuff to Ball with Moreno and Hillman fighting it out for the CoP, and the loser of that battle being either a healthy scratch or a cut later on, possibly bleeding into next year. Outside shot of making Ball his handcuff, as DEN is desperately looking for a RB to run strong between the tackles and hold LBs from their drops into coverage. Moreno and Hillman have both proven emphatically they offer little to nothing running inside.

They couldn't have put him on PUP, because he practiced in per-season. If they had tried to IR him, I think other teams could have made waiver claim on him. So the Broncos wanted to keep him, but thar doesn't mean he has a meaningful roe this year.

What are you talking about? Players on IR can't be signed by other teams. And PUP means physically unable to perform and players who are injured anytime in preseason can be placed on that list. Either way saves the team a roster spot and protects the player.

What are you talking about? A player can't be put on PUP if they practice or play on the preseason, AT ALL! As for the IR rule, perhaps I was not specific enough. If a team places a player on IR with a minor injury, he must be released if he passes a physical during his IR stint, which Anderson would have.

You might want to revisit the PUP rule. Google it if you have to. And you also seem to misunderstand IR. Some research by you would be in order.

He has it right. You have it wrong.

A player who practices even one time during the preseason is ineligible for PUP once the regular season belongs.

The second one is tricky and I'm not sure I've got it right, but I believe that players who are injured prior to the setting of the 53 man roster must be cut and subjected to waivers before they can be placed on IR. Only players who make the 53 can be placed on permanent IR without passing through waivers first. Even if that's not quite right I'm pretty sure the gist of it is -- players have to pass through waivers before being IRd during the preseason.

I think that's true, but is it possible to IR him now? CJ was on the roster for week 1 - in theory, he could go IR at this point and be shut down the rest of the season. Of course, the NFLPA would probably (justifiably) have beef with that as CJ will have a clean bill of health in a couple of weeks.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

DEN rostered him and cut Lance Ball even when they could have chosen to hide Anderson on PUP or IR, or floated him to the PS. I think that says the DEN management thinks highly of him.

I see him as ending up as the primary handcuff to Ball with Moreno and Hillman fighting it out for the CoP, and the loser of that battle being either a healthy scratch or a cut later on, possibly bleeding into next year. Outside shot of making Ball his handcuff, as DEN is desperately looking for a RB to run strong between the tackles and hold LBs from their drops into coverage. Moreno and Hillman have both proven emphatically they offer little to nothing running inside.

They couldn't have put him on PUP, because he practiced in per-season. If they had tried to IR him, I think other teams could have made waiver claim on him. So the Broncos wanted to keep him, but thar doesn't mean he has a meaningful roe this year.

What are you talking about? Players on IR can't be signed by other teams. And PUP means physically unable to perform and players who are injured anytime in preseason can be placed on that list. Either way saves the team a roster spot and protects the player.

What are you talking about? A player can't be put on PUP if they practice or play on the preseason, AT ALL! As for the IR rule, perhaps I was not specific enough. If a team places a player on IR with a minor injury, he must be released if he passes a physical during his IR stint, which Anderson would have.

You might want to revisit the PUP rule. Google it if you have to. And you also seem to misunderstand IR. Some research by you would be in order.

He has it right. You have it wrong.

A player who practices even one time during the preseason is ineligible for PUP once the regular season belongs.

The second one is tricky and I'm not sure I've got it right, but I believe that players who are injured prior to the setting of the 53 man roster must be cut and subjected to waivers before they can be placed on IR. Only players who make the 53 can be placed on permanent IR without passing through waivers first. Even if that's not quite right I'm pretty sure the gist of it is -- players have to pass through waivers before being IRd during the preseason.

I think that's true, but is it possible to IR him now? CJ was on the roster for week 1 - in theory, he could go IR at this point and be shut down the rest of the season. Of course, the NFLPA would probably (justifiably) have beef with that as CJ will have a clean bill of health in a couple of weeks.

If he were to become badly injured he could go directly to IR now.

 

[Bronco Billy]

DEN rostered him and cut Lance Ball even when they could have chosen to hide Anderson on PUP or IR, or floated him to the PS. I think that says the DEN management thinks highly of him.

I see him as ending up as the primary handcuff to Ball with Moreno and Hillman fighting it out for the CoP, and the loser of that battle being either a healthy scratch or a cut later on, possibly bleeding into next year. Outside shot of making Ball his handcuff, as DEN is desperately looking for a RB to run strong between the tackles and hold LBs from their drops into coverage. Moreno and Hillman have both proven emphatically they offer little to nothing running inside.

They couldn't have put him on PUP, because he practiced in per-season. If they had tried to IR him, I think other teams could have made waiver claim on him. So the Broncos wanted to keep him, but thar doesn't mean he has a meaningful roe this year.

What are you talking about? Players on IR can't be signed by other teams. And PUP means physically unable to perform and players who are injured anytime in preseason can be placed on that list. Either way saves the team a roster spot and protects the player.

What are you talking about? A player can't be put on PUP if they practice or play on the preseason, AT ALL! As for the IR rule, perhaps I was not specific enough. If a team places a player on IR with a minor injury, he must be released if he passes a physical during his IR stint, which Anderson would have.

You might want to revisit the PUP rule. Google it if you have to. And you also seem to misunderstand IR. Some research by you would be in order.

He has it right. You have it wrong.

A player who practices even one time during the preseason is ineligible for PUP once the regular season belongs.

The second one is tricky and I'm not sure I've got it right, but I believe that players who are injured prior to the setting of the 53 man roster must be cut and subjected to waivers before they can be placed on IR. Only players who make the 53 can be placed on permanent IR without passing through waivers first. Even if that's not quite right I'm pretty sure the gist of it is -- players have to pass through waivers before being IRd during the preseason.

Anderson was hurt in the middle of August and carted off. I don't have the timeline wrong. A player hurt in PS is eligible for the regular season PUP. Again, please check the facts.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Anderson was hurt in the middle of August and carted off. I don't have the timeline wrong. A player hurt in PS is eligible for the regular season PUP. Again, please check the facts.

Preseason PUPA player who, as a result of football-related injuries, is unable to take part in training camp practices may be assigned to the preseason PUP list. Players can be moved off the PUP list to the active roster at any time, even after one practice. A player cannot be placed on the PUP list, however, once he has taken the field for a practice, even if only for a few minutes.

Regular-Season PUP

A player who finishes the preseason still on the PUP list can then be placed on the regular-season PUP list. Such players must sit out the first six games their team plays. At that point, teams have a three-week window in which to allow the player to begin practicing; from the day the player begins practicing, teams have an additional three-week window in which to decide whether to activate the player to the 53-man roster. If either of those deadlines pass, the player must remain on the PUP list for the remainder of the season.[1]

 

[Bronco Billy]

Anderson was hurt in the middle of August and carted off. I don't have the timeline wrong. A player hurt in PS is eligible for the regular season PUP. Again, please check the facts.

Preseason PUP

A player who, as a result of football-related injuries, is unable to take part in training camp practices may be assigned to the preseason PUP list. Players can be moved off the PUP list to the active roster at any time, even after one practice. A player cannot be placed on the PUP list, however, once he has taken the field for a practice, even if only for a few minutes.

Regular-Season PUP

A player who finishes the preseason still on the PUP list can then be placed on the regular-season PUP list. Such players must sit out the first six games their team plays. At that point, teams have a three-week window in which to allow the player to begin practicing; from the day the player begins practicing, teams have an additional three-week window in which to decide whether to activate the player to the 53-man roster. If either of those deadlines pass, the player must remain on the PUP list for the remainder of the season.[1]

That's the rule for the Active PUP list. Now check the rule for the Reserve PUP list.The Reserve PUP list is specifically for players injured in preseason and the deadline to add them to the list is August 31st by NFL rule. Players added to the Reserve PUP list prior to the August 31 deadline are in eligible to practice with the team for the first 6 weeks of the regular season and do not count against the 53 man roster.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Anderson was hurt in the middle of August and carted off. I don't have the timeline wrong. A player hurt in PS is eligible for the regular season PUP. Again, please check the facts.

Preseason PUP

A player who, as a result of football-related injuries, is unable to take part in training camp practices may be assigned to the preseason PUP list. Players can be moved off the PUP list to the active roster at any time, even after one practice. A player cannot be placed on the PUP list, however, once he has taken the field for a practice, even if only for a few minutes.

Regular-Season PUP

A player who finishes the preseason still on the PUP list can then be placed on the regular-season PUP list. Such players must sit out the first six games their team plays. At that point, teams have a three-week window in which to allow the player to begin practicing; from the day the player begins practicing, teams have an additional three-week window in which to decide whether to activate the player to the 53-man roster. If either of those deadlines pass, the player must remain on the PUP list for the remainder of the season.[1]

That's the rule for the Active PUP list. Now check the rule for the Reserve PUP list.

Usually it's best to just stop digging.

You can't go on the preseason PUP list if you practice even once during the preseason.

And you can't go on the regular season (reserve) PUP list unless you were already on the preseason PUP list.

So once you practice in the preseason you can't go on any PUP list.

Can you show me the rule and/or give me an example or a player who practiced in preseason and was put on PUP?

 

[Bronco Billy]

Anderson was hurt in the middle of August and carted off. I don't have the timeline wrong. A player hurt in PS is eligible for the regular season PUP. Again, please check the facts.

Preseason PUP

A player who, as a result of football-related injuries, is unable to take part in training camp practices may be assigned to the preseason PUP list. Players can be moved off the PUP list to the active roster at any time, even after one practice. A player cannot be placed on the PUP list, however, once he has taken the field for a practice, even if only for a few minutes.

Regular-Season PUP

A player who finishes the preseason still on the PUP list can then be placed on the regular-season PUP list. Such players must sit out the first six games their team plays. At that point, teams have a three-week window in which to allow the player to begin practicing; from the day the player begins practicing, teams have an additional three-week window in which to decide whether to activate the player to the 53-man roster. If either of those deadlines pass, the player must remain on the PUP list for the remainder of the season.[1]

That's the rule for the Active PUP list. Now check the rule for the Reserve PUP list.

Usually it's best to just stop digging.

You can't go on the preseason PUP list if you practice even once during the preseason.

And you can't go on the regular season (reserve) PUP list unless you were already on the preseason PUP list.

So once you practice in the preseason you can't go on any PUP list.

Can you show me the rule and/or give me an example or a player who practiced in preseason and was put on PUP?

There's no digging involved. It's a matter of the rule.

 

[Diamond]

Active PUP list = preseason PUP list

Reserve PUP list = regular season PUP list

There is no Active PUP list during the regular season, and there is no Reserve PUP list during the preseason.

Can this fishing trip end now?

 

[Adam Harstad]

DEN rostered him and cut Lance Ball even when they could have chosen to hide Anderson on PUP or IR, or floated him to the PS. I think that says the DEN management thinks highly of him.

I see him as ending up as the primary handcuff to Ball with Moreno and Hillman fighting it out for the CoP, and the loser of that battle being either a healthy scratch or a cut later on, possibly bleeding into next year. Outside shot of making Ball his handcuff, as DEN is desperately looking for a RB to run strong between the tackles and hold LBs from their drops into coverage. Moreno and Hillman have both proven emphatically they offer little to nothing running inside.

wdcrob and company have it right. There was no way for Denver to retain Anderson without either (a) keeping him on the 53-man roster, or (b) exposing him to waivers. Denver didn't think Anderson would clear waivers, so they kept him on their roster.

Regardless, a lot has to go right for him to be starting any games for Denver this year, so I wouldn't be all that interested in him in redraft leagues. Definitely worth taking a flier on in deeper dynasties, though. When a team burns a roster spot on a guy who is unlikely to contribute in the short term, they must really like him in the long term. Think about Denver carrying Julius Thomas last year despite being practically useless at that point.

 

[Bayhawks]

Anderson was hurt in the middle of August and carted off. I don't have the timeline wrong. A player hurt in PS is eligible for the regular season PUP. Again, please check the facts.

Preseason PUP

A player who, as a result of football-related injuries, is unable to take part in training camp practices may be assigned to the preseason PUP list. Players can be moved off the PUP list to the active roster at any time, even after one practice. A player cannot be placed on the PUP list, however, once he has taken the field for a practice, even if only for a few minutes.

Regular-Season PUP

A player who finishes the preseason still on the PUP list can then be placed on the regular-season PUP list. Such players must sit out the first six games their team plays. At that point, teams have a three-week window in which to allow the player to begin practicing; from the day the player begins practicing, teams have an additional three-week window in which to decide whether to activate the player to the 53-man roster. If either of those deadlines pass, the player must remain on the PUP list for the remainder of the season.[1]

That's the rule for the Active PUP list. Now check the rule for the Reserve PUP list.

Usually it's best to just stop digging.

You can't go on the preseason PUP list if you practice even once during the preseason.

And you can't go on the regular season (reserve) PUP list unless you were already on the preseason PUP list.

So once you practice in the preseason you can't go on any PUP list.

Can you show me the rule and/or give me an example or a player who practiced in preseason and was put on PUP?

There's no digging involved. It's a matter of the rule.

Yes, yes it is, and you don't seem to understand the rule at all.

 

[TheGreatSpinks]

so... CJ Anderson?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Not too many lottery tickets with none of the numbers scratched off that I'd rather be holding at this point, but there's really no way to tell what will happen until he's healthy. Hoping that's next week, but Week 3 seems more likely since he just started cutting a couple days ago and he did have some pain.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

(KFFL) Denver Broncos RB C.J. Anderson (knee) and TE Joel Dreessen (knee) took part in some light running and agility drills during practice Monday, Sept. 9.

 

[ChainsawU]

Any Bronco's homers/insiders think C J Anderson will have any value this year?? Or will Ball and company be good enough to keep him off the field?

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=685757

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

omfg this thread

 

[Buffaloes]

A player hurt in PS is eligible for the regular season PUP.

that's incorrect. can't go on the pup (preseason or regular season) if practiced in the preseason or regular season.