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Broncos OTAs - week 2 (1 Viewer)

Cecil Lammey

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Back out at Dove Valley today as the 2nd week of OTAs kicked off for the Broncos. We got to see the entire practice today, and here are my observations.

Week One observations are here: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=642228&view=findpost&p=14406576&hl=lammey&fromsearch=1

Passing drills started the practice after the team was done stretching. Throughout these practices the Broncos the team has had a certain swagger about them. Not arrogance....just incredible confidence.

Gerrell Robinson looked good today. Did a nice job of catching passes with arms extended away from his body. Looked good with Osweiler (of course) but caught nice passes from other QBs too. WR position is jam packed here, but I still think Robinson finds a way to the PS this year to develop.

Eric Decker had a nice one-handed grab early on in practice. Great hands, crisp routes are his trademark. However, failed to get separation from Champ Bailey on a pass play later in the day which resulted in pass getting knocked away. I like Decker when he can get a clean release off the line of scrimmage. He can get into his route quicker and gets proper separation.

Once again Demaryius Thomas was in beast mode. He seems most energized out of all the players in camp. He caught passes in stride, looked them in, arms extended away from the body. One of Manning's worst passes of the day was a throw over the middle that was just a touch behind Thomas. He reached back with one arm, caught it off his back hip and continued in stride after the catch. He also caught a nice back shoulder throw in red zone drills.

Greg Orton makes some nice plays on the ball when the pass is in front of him. He's the comeback king! Have him run a comeback and he can use his frame to box out defenders away from the ball. Orton does a nice job of squaring his shoulder to the LOS to give his QB the biggest possible target. Runs a nice square in route too.

Mark Dell had a drop early in practice where he tried to one-hand catch a Caleb Hanie pass. I like his ability to make difficult catches, but sometimes he just needs to snare passes with two hands. He's not a hot dog, and needs to be more technically sound.

D'Andre Goodwin hauled in Caleb Hanie's best pass of the day. A deep strike over the middle with CB Chris Harris being a step late. It's seems to me like Harris is feeling some pressure out there with the addition of Drayton Florence. Harris was instinctive last year, but now seems to be thinking about things too much and not reacting naturally. Later in practice Harris also held Stokley's jersey causing the pass to be incomplete. If he doesn't do that Stokley scores.

Matthew Willis was making some nice grabs. Will be interesting to see him and Bubba Caldwell compete for the slot WR job.

Brandon Stokley actually dropped an easy pass to the sideline. Manning didn't say anything too him, but he didn't looked thrilled.

Joel Dreesen was out of place once downfield on a pass. I felt he should have flattened his route out more, and Manning must've felt the same way because he put it where Dreesen wasn't. Instead of coming across Dreesen took his route deeper. This is what OTAs are all about. By the start of the season that chemistry should be better.

Jacob Tamme was in good form today. Routes, hands, timing not a problem with Peyton Manning. So far the two receivers with the best rapport with Manning seem to be Thomas and Tamme.

Willis McGahee was not in attendance today. A pre-scheduled obligation with his kid.

Xavier Omon showed a little more get up and go than I expected. Omon has always had the instincts, vision, and lower body strength. However, he's lacked the juice to get through holes quickly. He did a little of that today, still tough for him to find a spot on the roster.

Jeremiah Johnson was not in attendance today. Some felt that perhaps an injury (sore hamstring????) could have kept him out. No official word.

Knowshon Moreno is not cleared for team activities yet. He did individual drills and showed good straight line burst. When running sprints by himself he seemed to have a slight hitch in his giddyup.

Lance Ball did what Ball does today. Tried to bounce some runs to the corner (not his game) and was good inside staying low and changing direction. Also caught a TD pass at the pylon on a wheel route.

Mario Fannin runs WR like routes. Showed good hands (no surprise there) and gets to top speed in a hurry. Looks like he's fully recovered from the knee injury that cost him all of his rookie season. Fannin also doing a better job of getting 3 points of contact on the football when he runs. So far this offseason I haven't seen him fumble (BIG issues at Auburn). If he plays up to his potential it could bump Moreno off the roster. I expect the Broncos to only carry four RBs. Fannin is a space runner, something that I'm writing about in my ESPN Denver blog...will post here soon: http://denverssportsstation.com/cecillammey

Ronnie Hillman is getting a lot of attention. Even when it's not his rep RB coach Eric Studesville is in his ear. He's pointing out pass protection schemes, rushing lanes, everything. Hillman is going to be asked to do a lot with this team early if he's ready. These bounce cuts are something to behold. He does a great job of luring the defense in, then can explode/bounce outside or to a cutback lane. Best thing is he doesn't lose speed when he changes direction like this. Hillman worked as a punt returner but dropped one, then let one bounce in front of him. They've got other (better) options there.

Depth charts don't mean much now, but Hillman was with the first team when DEN started 11-on-11 drills.

Peyton Manning did not look as sharp today as he did last week. It's not saying that he looked bad, but he had some passes that were just off. Some of it was bad routes (Dreesen), some of it was drops (Stokley), some of it was him being off the mark. I like the way he sets up quickly, stays light on his feet, and has a quick delivery. Manning was still throwing with good touch, and showed good bucket accuracy when he went downfield. Read a blitz quickly in team drills and checked to hot read. Doing all the Manning little things you would expect. He's also taking the time to teach, showing WRs where to line up, and talking to Hillman as others take reps. Manning had a pass batted down by ILB Joe Mays as he tried to squeeze it into Dreesen.

Brock Osweiler has a strong/loud cadence. Regular listeners to the Audible will remember me complaining about John Beck's mouse quiet cadence at the 2007 Shrine Game. No worries about that here. A loud bark shows command and confidence, and I'm confident Osweiler's career will turn out much better than Beck's. He gets a lot of arch on his throws. With his new throwing motion it's going to be impossible for defenders to bat passes at the LOS. I'm not saying he's Jeff Blake, but man did he throw some rainbows today. Made a rookie mistake of not throwing the ball in a passing drill, instead opting to run. Timmy used to do this all the time, Brock will learn that he's not supposed to run in a drill designed for passing. After that play S Rafael Bush yelled "throw the ball man!" as the defense continued jawing at the rookie.

Caleb Hanie had one nice deep throw to D'Andre Goodwin who had burned CB Chris Harris. Other than that it was another poor performance. He held onto the ball too long and seemed to be reluctant to pull the trigger.

Adam Weber throws with nice velocity. threw several short passes today, but would like to see him uncork it downfield sometime. He was picked off by Tony Carter who returned it for 6. I still think he gets put on the PS in 2012.

 
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Excellent stuff Cecil. Really nice to read a mention of Chris Harris. My expectations for him were high before they went out and snagged Florence. I suspect the nickle CB will hold a lot of value in deep IDP leagues this season, and Harris was the guy that had my attention. I know it's early, but I'd love to hear more on the situation as OTA's progress.

If you find the time, I'd love to hear an update on Eric Page and Duke Ihenacho. Thanks, and I look forward to reading more.

 
Thanks Cecil. any 2 back looks? Manning never used a FB in Indy, but Denver has traditionally. Curious how things are shaping up offensively.

 
Thanks Cecil. any 2 back looks? Manning never used a FB in Indy, but Denver has traditionally. Curious how things are shaping up offensively.
We're not supposed to comment on formations, so let me put it this way....I imagine the traditional "I" and "Power I" formation will be part of their offense.
 
'Whitney26 said:
Excellent stuff Cecil. Really nice to read a mention of Chris Harris. My expectations for him were high before they went out and snagged Florence. I suspect the nickle CB will hold a lot of value in deep IDP leagues this season, and Harris was the guy that had my attention. I know it's early, but I'd love to hear more on the situation as OTA's progress. If you find the time, I'd love to hear an update on Eric Page and Duke Ihenacho. Thanks, and I look forward to reading more.
I mostly keep an eye on the offensive side of the ball....too many things going on to monitor both super close. I would rather be thorough on the side that my listeners like to hear about, sorry!However, I LOVE Chris Harris. Thought he played great in the Nickel package last year. yes, he struggled with the Patriots and the Broncos wanted more size and experience at that position. He'll work in Dime packages this year if he makes the team (CB position is deep and talented, even since they traded Vaughnn away).
 
'Frankbot said:
As a Demaryius owner, I've been loving these updates more than ever this year. :thumbup:
Thomas vs Decker is an interesting argument. So far it's Thomas>>>>>Decker. I talked to someone close to the team and he confirmed that's the order. We'll see if they produce in that order this year. I still think DT could get 85 catches and Decker get 75+...both should be heavily used.
 
i need a clarification:

in your writeups about Decker not getting separation, you have mentioned Champ Bailey in the same paragraph

i think on the first week too (too lazy to look)

i'm a glass half full guy so i'm thinking, well Champ is a HOFer is Decker SUPPOSED to be getting separation easily?

the clarification i need is DT also being covered by Champ some and still getting open easily or is Champ just on Decker's side all the time?

/disclaimer: both a Decker and DT owner

 
Awesome stuff man, one thread like this is worth 1000 mock drafts.
thanks!
'Frankbot said:
As a Demaryius owner, I've been loving these updates more than ever this year. :thumbup:
:goodposting: Between this and FBG-TV, Cecil is earning his keep. Good work, sir! :thumbup:
Just gotta keep grinding!
Was there a Caldwell sighting or is he still nursing the groin injury?
I believe he was out there, but didn't make it into my notebook. Lots going on! I'll check around...
Thanks Cecil. Even outside of Peyton coming in, I think this is one of the more interesting camps this year. I'm looking forward to your insight going forward.
Training camp is going to be very telling for this team.
This is beautiful!
thanks much!
 
i need a clarification:in your writeups about Decker not getting separation, you have mentioned Champ Bailey in the same paragraphi think on the first week too (too lazy to look)i'm a glass half full guy so i'm thinking, well Champ is a HOFer is Decker SUPPOSED to be getting separation easily?the clarification i need is DT also being covered by Champ some and still getting open easily or is Champ just on Decker's side all the time?/disclaimer: both a Decker and DT owner
Decker and DT are both getting coverage from Tracy Porter and Champ Bailey. Loves me some Champ but he's not *quite* the player he used to be. Decker's going to get his fair share of targets, but as a source close to the team told me "DT is the clear #1" Now it's May and things could change, but right now the pecking order with be DT 1 and ED 2 -- I think Tamme is 3rd after that as I'm not expecting much from the slot WR in Denver this year. Me pointing out Decker not getting separation doesn't mean he sucks, it just means he'll have to make more contested catches and his yards after the catch may be limited. I've always thought he should be put in motion so he'll get a cleaner release and get into his route better. He makes plays when he's getting off coverage, but you can press/bail on him all day. Thomas is not the route runner but he's faster and more physical. We'll see how this thing plays out in training camp!
 
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'Otis said:
Stupid question maybe, but what about Manning??
Otis! Manning is likely to be a top 10 fantasy QB if he can stay healthy. This week of practice looked rougher in terms of timing and chemistry than did last week. Denver has put the weapons around him, now it's up to the OLine to protect him adequately.
 
'griff321 said:
How do you think Hillman will wind up fantasy wise this season?
depends on when he takes over, and that depends on how much they trust him in pass protection. I've constantly compared him to LeSean McCoy, so let's look at the numbers McCoy had in 2009 as a rookie. http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/McCoLe01-2.php

That year Brian Westbrook and Leonard Weaver were kicking around in their RBBC. Could see the same thing this year with McGahee/Hillman with more rushing attempts (PHI barely ran the ball that year). The Broncos will run more than people think. I would say around 435 carries sounds about right.

Manning's attempts per game will be on average less than what they were in Indy. 2010 he averaged 42 attempts per game....I'd put that number around 35 this year. The Broncos won't have him on a "pitch count" I just think that will be the design of the offense. Fewer attempts, efficiency, with a John Fox ground game.

 
You mentioned seeing the Broncos only keeping 4 RB. Do you think Omon or Jeremiah Johnson have a good shot at sending Knowshon Moreno packing?

I just find it curious why they wouldn't keep: McGahee, Moreno, Hillman, and Fannin instead.

 
You mentioned seeing the Broncos only keeping 4 RB. Do you think Omon or Jeremiah Johnson have a good shot at sending Knowshon Moreno packing?I just find it curious why they wouldn't keep: McGahee, Moreno, Hillman, and Fannin instead.
Don't forget about Lance Ball (who was also with Manning in Indy for a time)Ball is a near lock because of his special teams ability. If I were to predict the four right now it would be McGahee (lock), Hillman (lock), Ball, Fannin--- gives them a nice blend of size and receiving ability. Fannin has looked good, but is a space runner. He was also used as a slot WR (in addition to RB,FB) in college and is known to have good hands and route running ability.
 
'griff321 said:
How do you think Hillman will wind up fantasy wise this season?
depends on when he takes over, and that depends on how much they trust him in pass protection. I've constantly compared him to LeSean McCoy, so let's look at the numbers McCoy had in 2009 as a rookie. http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/McCoLe01-2.php

That year Brian Westbrook and Leonard Weaver were kicking around in their RBBC. Could see the same thing this year with McGahee/Hillman with more rushing attempts (PHI barely ran the ball that year). The Broncos will run more than people think. I would say around 435 carries sounds about right.

Manning's attempts per game will be on average less than what they were in Indy. 2010 he averaged 42 attempts per game....I'd put that number around 35 this year. The Broncos won't have him on a "pitch count" I just think that will be the design of the offense. Fewer attempts, efficiency, with a John Fox ground game.
This is the feel i'm getting too, but the # of carries may be higher if the defense improves. If Den has 2nd half leads, I fully expect Fox to take the air out of the ball and grind away w/ McGahee.
 
Julius Thomas is having or has had surgery. This might be a question you cannot answer but do you project him to work well with Manning upon his return? Will he get any significant training camp reps? thanks

 
Julius Thomas is having or has had surgery. This might be a question you cannot answer but do you project him to work well with Manning upon his return? Will he get any significant training camp reps? thanks
already had his surgery in early May....boot came off today! Curious thing is he was working out with Manning at Valor HS after Denver signed the HOF QB. He was catching passes, running routes, building chemistry...then had a surgery. No re-aggravation from what I've gathered he just should have done it last fall. He still has enormous upside but has to develop and wait for a break since he's TE3 behind Tamme and Dreesen.
 
Julius Thomas is having or has had surgery. This might be a question you cannot answer but do you project him to work well with Manning upon his return? Will he get any significant training camp reps? thanks
already had his surgery in early May....boot came off today! Curious thing is he was working out with Manning at Valor HS after Denver signed the HOF QB. He was catching passes, running routes, building chemistry...then had a surgery. No re-aggravation from what I've gathered he just should have done it last fall. He still has enormous upside but has to develop and wait for a break since he's TE3 behind Tamme and Dreesen.
:thumbup:
 
Jason Hill?
BIG uphill battle. could compete for WR3 spot and made some deep plays in first week of OTAs. gives the team a speed they don't really have in the WR corps. Don't think he makes the team, Eric Page more likely because of his special teams ability.
 
Always a pleasure to read your reports, Cecil.

You mentioned the team had a certain swagger of confidence about them. Is it something you haven't seen so predominantly in previous seasons about this time of year? Would you say Manning has lit some fires under some players and that there's a new hunger the team carries... guys showing up early, leaving late and so on?

In other words, from what you're seeing out there, how much is it about just getting extra time in with a new QB vs. a whole new, higher level of dedication and work ethic?

 
Is DT staying after with Manning?

got the FBG email this morning that said Manning and Decker work out after practice.

 
Great work, Cecil. Thanks for the first hand accounts.

Following up on the above reference to Decker staying after, in the Broncos 2012 there was the following excerpt of an article (by McIntyre of NFL.com, I believe?)

That said, it's good to see Manning and Decker trying to develop a rapport. Decker had 20 receptions for 270 yards and four touchdowns in the first month of the 2011 season before seeing his production sharply decline after Tim Tebow replaced Kyle Orton and the offense become run-heavy in mid-October. Being where Manning expects to be will help the 6-foot-3, 215-pound Decker hold off Andre Caldwell for the starting job opposite Demaryius Thomas.

You've mentioned that DT is beginning to get separation from Decker as a clear #1, but this seems to indicate Decker may have a position battle ahead of him. Is this real in your opinion or just made-up preseason conjecture? Thanks.

 
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Always a pleasure to read your reports, Cecil. You mentioned the team had a certain swagger of confidence about them. Is it something you haven't seen so predominantly in previous seasons about this time of year? Would you say Manning has lit some fires under some players and that there's a new hunger the team carries... guys showing up early, leaving late and so on? In other words, from what you're seeing out there, how much is it about just getting extra time in with a new QB vs. a whole new, higher level of dedication and work ethic?
I've been in the media since 2003 and I've seen many incarnations of the Broncos with three different head coaches. They have never looked like this in terms of swagger. Manning makes the players around him better. Not in a "rah, rah" type of way but in a follow my example type of way. The team is on a higher level, offensively and defensively. No more groans when Tebow throws a pass in the dirt. The offense is energized to play alongside Manning. The defense (especially Champ) is fired up to play against Manning. It's bringing out the best from both sides.
 
Is DT staying after with Manning?got the FBG email this morning that said Manning and Decker work out after practice.
Decker stayed after because he had a poor practice. Thomas has stayed after but didn't that day (from what I saw, I was busy interviewing Ronnie Hillman for our Ipad magazine). DT was in full beast mode again, and looked to me like Manning's favorite target again.
 
Great work, Cecil. Thanks for the first hand accounts.

Following up on the above reference to Decker staying after, in the Broncos 2012 there was the following excerpt of an article (by McIntyre of NFL.com, I believe?)

That said, it's good to see Manning and Decker trying to develop a rapport. Decker had 20 receptions for 270 yards and four touchdowns in the first month of the 2011 season before seeing his production sharply decline after Tim Tebow replaced Kyle Orton and the offense become run-heavy in mid-October. Being where Manning expects to be will help the 6-foot-3, 215-pound Decker hold off Andre Caldwell for the starting job opposite Demaryius Thomas.

You've mentioned that DT is beginning to get separation from Decker as a clear #1, but this seems to indicate Decker may have a position battle ahead of him. Is this real in your opinion or just made-up preseason conjecture? Thanks.
I've known Brian McIntyre personally for years. Had dinner with him (and Doug Farrar, Mike Tanier, Will Brinson, Andy Benoit, Charlie Bernstein, Aaron Schatz) almost every nigh at the Combine. GREAT guy, and SUPER smart. One of the best and a great hire by NFL.com. From what I've gathered from watching OTAs and talking to team sources there is little chance Caldwell is more than the 3rd WR. Me personally? I like Decker as a slot, put him in motion where he can get a clean release. We know he struggles to beat press bail coverage and motion cures that. That being said, I don't want Caldwell in as a WR2 opposite Thomas.

 
Any Nate Irving sitings? Thanks Cecil!
Mays has been breaking up passes and looks like the "insurance plan" has got a hold of the starting job. Irving is the biggest question mark on this team outside of Manning's health. If he can play up to his potential then he's better than Mays in coverage and fluid to scrape and flow to the run.
 
Always a pleasure to read your reports, Cecil. You mentioned the team had a certain swagger of confidence about them. Is it something you haven't seen so predominantly in previous seasons about this time of year? Would you say Manning has lit some fires under some players and that there's a new hunger the team carries... guys showing up early, leaving late and so on? In other words, from what you're seeing out there, how much is it about just getting extra time in with a new QB vs. a whole new, higher level of dedication and work ethic?
I've been in the media since 2003 and I've seen many incarnations of the Broncos with three different head coaches. They have never looked like this in terms of swagger. Manning makes the players around him better. Not in a "rah, rah" type of way but in a follow my example type of way. The team is on a higher level, offensively and defensively. No more groans when Tebow throws a pass in the dirt. The offense is energized to play alongside Manning. The defense (especially Champ) is fired up to play against Manning. It's bringing out the best from both sides.
Goosebumps.
 
Cec, when you say "they were in Hillman's ear" constantly, do you mean that in a "Hey, rook...stop screwing up!" sort of way or a "watch this closely, when X happens you need to do Y." sort of way?

Heavily invested in Ronnie, so I'm hoping it's more along the lines of Option #2 :)

 
'Cecil Lammey said:
Always a pleasure to read your reports, Cecil.

You mentioned the team had a certain swagger of confidence about them. Is it something you haven't seen so predominantly in previous seasons about this time of year? Would you say Manning has lit some fires under some players and that there's a new hunger the team carries... guys showing up early, leaving late and so on?

In other words, from what you're seeing out there, how much is it about just getting extra time in with a new QB vs. a whole new, higher level of dedication and work ethic?
I've been in the media since 2003 and I've seen many incarnations of the Broncos with three different head coaches. They have never looked like this in terms of swagger. Manning makes the players around him better. Not in a "rah, rah" type of way but in a follow my example type of way. The team is on a higher level, offensively and defensively. No more groans when Tebow throws a pass in the dirt. The offense is energized to play alongside Manning. The defense (especially Champ) is fired up to play against Manning. It's bringing out the best from both sides.
This is interesting. Is there a worry of any sort that Manning and this offense and defense struggles and things go south to start the year due to their tough schedule? Some concern has to be the Broncos opening 7 weeks. They play, pitt, atl, hou, oak, ne, san diego, saints. They could easily have a 1 and 6 or 2 and 5 start to the season and the Tebow loyalits will be playing the "he is a winner" card.

 
'5-ish Finkle said:
Cec, when you say "they were in Hillman's ear" constantly, do you mean that in a "Hey, rook...stop screwing up!" sort of way or a "watch this closely, when X happens you need to do Y." sort of way?Heavily invested in Ronnie, so I'm hoping it's more along the lines of Option #2 :)
easily option #2 -- Hillman hasn't showed any "rookie" mistakes so far.
 
'Cecil Lammey said:
Always a pleasure to read your reports, Cecil.

You mentioned the team had a certain swagger of confidence about them. Is it something you haven't seen so predominantly in previous seasons about this time of year? Would you say Manning has lit some fires under some players and that there's a new hunger the team carries... guys showing up early, leaving late and so on?

In other words, from what you're seeing out there, how much is it about just getting extra time in with a new QB vs. a whole new, higher level of dedication and work ethic?
I've been in the media since 2003 and I've seen many incarnations of the Broncos with three different head coaches. They have never looked like this in terms of swagger. Manning makes the players around him better. Not in a "rah, rah" type of way but in a follow my example type of way. The team is on a higher level, offensively and defensively. No more groans when Tebow throws a pass in the dirt. The offense is energized to play alongside Manning. The defense (especially Champ) is fired up to play against Manning. It's bringing out the best from both sides.
This is interesting. Is there a worry of any sort that Manning and this offense and defense struggles and things go south to start the year due to their tough schedule? Some concern has to be the Broncos opening 7 weeks. They play, pitt, atl, hou, oak, ne, san diego, saints. They could easily have a 1 and 6 or 2 and 5 start to the season and the Tebow loyalits will be playing the "he is a winner" card.
this team expects to compete for a Super Bowl, not in 2014, not in 2013, this year. If they want to do that they'll have to go through HOU, BAL, PIT, NE - San Diego is a team on the downturn, and the division outside of KC should be fairly easy to get through. 1-6, 2-5 are not in this team's DNA. Only way that happens is if Manning is hurt. bottom line, the Broncos aren't AFRAID of their tough schedule, in fact they're hungry for the competition according to coaches, players I've talked to.

 
'5-ish Finkle said:
Cec, when you say "they were in Hillman's ear" constantly, do you mean that in a "Hey, rook...stop screwing up!" sort of way or a "watch this closely, when X happens you need to do Y." sort of way?

Heavily invested in Ronnie, so I'm hoping it's more along the lines of Option #2 :)
easily option #2 -- Hillman hasn't showed any "rookie" mistakes so far.
Excellent news to hear. Thanks.

 
'Cecil Lammey said:
Always a pleasure to read your reports, Cecil.

You mentioned the team had a certain swagger of confidence about them. Is it something you haven't seen so predominantly in previous seasons about this time of year? Would you say Manning has lit some fires under some players and that there's a new hunger the team carries... guys showing up early, leaving late and so on?

In other words, from what you're seeing out there, how much is it about just getting extra time in with a new QB vs. a whole new, higher level of dedication and work ethic?
I've been in the media since 2003 and I've seen many incarnations of the Broncos with three different head coaches. They have never looked like this in terms of swagger. Manning makes the players around him better. Not in a "rah, rah" type of way but in a follow my example type of way. The team is on a higher level, offensively and defensively. No more groans when Tebow throws a pass in the dirt. The offense is energized to play alongside Manning. The defense (especially Champ) is fired up to play against Manning. It's bringing out the best from both sides.
This is interesting. Is there a worry of any sort that Manning and this offense and defense struggles and things go south to start the year due to their tough schedule? Some concern has to be the Broncos opening 7 weeks. They play, pitt, atl, hou, oak, ne, san diego, saints. They could easily have a 1 and 6 or 2 and 5 start to the season and the Tebow loyalits will be playing the "he is a winner" card.
this team expects to compete for a Super Bowl, not in 2014, not in 2013, this year. If they want to do that they'll have to go through HOU, BAL, PIT, NE - San Diego is a team on the downturn, and the division outside of KC should be fairly easy to get through. 1-6, 2-5 are not in this team's DNA. Only way that happens is if Manning is hurt. bottom line, the Broncos aren't AFRAID of their tough schedule, in fact they're hungry for the competition according to coaches, players I've talked to.
Thanks. I was already assuming the players and coaches were thinking they are a SB team but what would a neutral say of this team?Confidence is always a good thing. Many witnessed how the team played with much more confidence with Tebow leading them versus Orton. So with a far superior QB and his resume Manning will give this team tons of confidence especially at this stage of the game.

The defense did have some ok games last year, but also were well below average on many occasions and to be honest were very mediocre as a whole. They were 20th in ypg. They also were 9th worst in total points allowed. They didin't rate in any top 10 noteable defensive categories last year. In the playoffs they held a hobbled Big Ben to 23 points and then gave up 45 points to the Patriots a week later. They do have some playmakers on defense and some nice pieces so they should/could take a step in the right direction but they have a ways to go.

The offense is going to be so much different than last years team seeing as how they have a much better passing QB now and will be more traditional for obvious reasons. However, as many continue to question and wonder is will Manning be able to play like the QB we have become so accustomed to watching in the past? I am guessing he has yet to take a hit? When is Manning going to take his first hit(s) to see how his body will react?

We unfortunately dont get to see what you are seeing, and I get that it is still extremely early but do you see Manning playing in all 16 games this year? The broncos obvioulsy think he can as they went out and acquired him, but what are your feelings on it now that you are seeing him live and in action.

 
this team expects to compete for a Super Bowl, not in 2014, not in 2013, this year. If they want to do that they'll have to go through HOU, BAL, PIT, NE - San Diego is a team on the downturn, and the division outside of KC should be fairly easy to get through. 1-6, 2-5 are not in this team's DNA. Only way that happens is if Manning is hurt. bottom line, the Broncos aren't AFRAID of their tough schedule, in fact they're hungry for the competition according to coaches, players I've talked to.
I like this talk Cecil. You sound fired up! Good for the Donk fans. They have every reason to be optimistic. By "this team" expecting to compete for the SB, you are refering to the corp group I suppose? It's really hard to peg expectations in OTA's. The defense really doesn't get to exhibit themselves and it's all pretty much a glorified QB practice. The observations are valid though (and appreciated). Just surprised at the early bravado this early with still lots more to learn in the offseason. :popcorn:
 

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