Broncos RB. (2 Viewers)

[Bronco Billy]

I don't understand this whole "they know what they've got so he doesn't need the reps" thing. That's not how NFL franchises operate.

AP, MJD, McCoy, Morris, Mcfadden, Sproles, Lynch, Gore, Martin have all had the same or less carries ... Does that mean they dropping down their rosters?

Peyton getting as many reps as he is with rookie RBs blocking for him is irresponsible ...he has more attempts than any other star QB this preseason. If he had gotten injured when he got hammered the other day Fox might be looking for a job.

did you really just compare Moreno's position to AD's?

Actually no ... We were discussing how NFL franchises operate (I even highlighted it for you)But reading compression seems to be a problem that keeps this thread alive ... so way contribute !!!

Yeah, how they operate with proven RBs who have been well documented workhorses for what they do for their team, and which was clearly your basis of comparison of Moreno to a guy like AP - whose name I might add that you introduced as a point of comparison.Maybe YOU ought to read what you write before you decide to throw some darts at people. Bit then that reading compression thing can be a #####.

Never much gave a #### about spelling and grammar in a Fanatasy Football thread but since you brought it up ...WHAT THE FVK does "Bit then that reading compression thing can be a #####" mean?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Yeah, it should have been but rather than bit, but you probably knew that and couldn't help yourself.

Maybe YOU ought to read what you write before you decide to throw some darts at people.

Yeah, or maybe my fingers should go on a weight loss program since I was responding using my phone.

But the introduction of completely unlike RB scenarios, the insults attached in the rebuttal to pointing out how irrelevant the comparisons are, and then as icing on the cake your lecturing have no doubt added immense value to the discussion.

 

[monk]

I don't understand this whole "they know what they've got so he doesn't need the reps" thing. That's not how NFL franchises operate.

AP, MJD, McCoy, Morris, Mcfadden, Sproles, Lynch, Gore, Martin have all had the same or less carries ... Does that mean they dropping down their rosters?

Peyton getting as many reps as he is with rookie RBs blocking for him is irresponsible ...he has more attempts than any other star QB this preseason. If he had gotten injured when he got hammered the other day Fox might be looking for a job.

did you really just compare Moreno's position to AD's?

Actually no ... We were discussing how NFL franchises operate (I even highlighted it for you)But reading compression seems to be a problem that keeps this thread alive ... so way contribute !!!

Yeah, how they operate with proven RBs who have been well documented workhorses for what they do for their team, and which was clearly your basis of comparison of Moreno to a guy like AP - whose name I might add that you introduced as a point of comparison.Maybe YOU ought to read what you write before you decide to throw some darts at people. Bit then that reading compression thing can be a #####.

Never much gave a #### about spelling and grammar in a Fanatasy Football thread but since you brought it up ...WHAT THE FVK does "Bit then that reading compression thing can be a #####" mean?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Yeah, it should have been but rather than bit, but you probably knew that and couldn't help yourself.

Maybe YOU ought to read what you write before you decide to throw some darts at people.

Yeah, or maybe my fingers should go on a weight loss program since I was responding using my phone.

But the introduction of completely unlike RB scenarios, the insults attached in the rebuttal to pointing out how irrelevant the comparisons are, and then as icing on the cake your lecturing have no doubt added immense value to the discussion.

Yeah, or maybe you should take your own advice. Now man up and stop making excuses.

 

[LuckyOne]

I don't understand this whole "they know what they've got so he doesn't need the reps" thing. That's not how NFL franchises operate.

AP, MJD, McCoy, Morris, Mcfadden, Sproles, Lynch, Gore, Martin have all had the same or less carries ... Does that mean they dropping down their rosters?

Peyton getting as many reps as he is with rookie RBs blocking for him is irresponsible ...he has more attempts than any other star QB this preseason. If he had gotten injured when he got hammered the other day Fox might be looking for a job.

did you really just compare Moreno's position to AD's?

Actually no ... We were discussing how NFL franchises operate (I even highlighted it for you)But reading compression seems to be a problem that keeps this thread alive ... so way contribute !!!

Yeah, how they operate with proven RBs who have been well documented workhorses for what they do for their team, and which was clearly your basis of comparison of Moreno to a guy like AP - whose name I might add that you introduced as a point of comparison.Maybe YOU ought to read what you write before you decide to throw some darts at people. Bit then that reading compression thing can be a #####.

Never much gave a #### about spelling and grammar in a Fanatasy Football thread but since you brought it up ...WHAT THE FVK does "Bit then that reading compression thing can be a #####" mean?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Yeah, it should have been but rather than bit, but you probably knew that and couldn't help yourself.

Maybe YOU ought to read what you write before you decide to throw some darts at people.

I'm guessing you meant comprehension not compression.

 

[monk]

I don't understand this whole "they know what they've got so he doesn't need the reps" thing. That's not how NFL franchises operate.

AP, MJD, McCoy, Morris, Mcfadden, Sproles, Lynch, Gore, Martin have all had the same or less carries ... Does that mean they dropping down their rosters?

Peyton getting as many reps as he is with rookie RBs blocking for him is irresponsible ...he has more attempts than any other star QB this preseason. If he had gotten injured when he got hammered the other day Fox might be looking for a job.

did you really just compare Moreno's position to AD's?

Actually no ... We were discussing how NFL franchises operate (I even highlighted it for you)But reading compression seems to be a problem that keeps this thread alive ... so way contribute !!!

Yeah, how they operate with proven RBs who have been well documented workhorses for what they do for their team, and which was clearly your basis of comparison of Moreno to a guy like AP - whose name I might add that you introduced as a point of comparison.Maybe YOU ought to read what you write before you decide to throw some darts at people. Bit then that reading compression thing can be a #####.

Never much gave a #### about spelling and grammar in a Fanatasy Football thread but since you brought it up ...WHAT THE FVK does "Bit then that reading compression thing can be a #####" mean?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Yeah, it should have been but rather than bit, but you probably knew that and couldn't help yourself.

Maybe YOU ought to read what you write before you decide to throw some darts at people.

I'm guessing you meant comprehension not compression

No ... what makes you think that?

 

[Saint]

/thread

Can we get back on topic here?

 

[Shutout]

I don't understand this whole "they know what they've got so he doesn't need the reps" thing. That's not how NFL franchises operate.

AP, MJD, McCoy, Morris, Mcfadden, Sproles, Lynch, Gore, Martin have all had the same or less carries ... Does that mean they dropping down their rosters?

Peyton getting as many reps as he is with rookie RBs blocking for him is irresponsible ...he has more attempts than any other star QB this preseason. If he had gotten injured when he got hammered the other day Fox might be looking for a job.

did you really just compare Moreno's position to AD's?

Actually no ... We were discussing how NFL franchises operate (I even highlighted it for you)But reading compression seems to be a problem that keeps this thread alive ... so way contribute !!!

Yeah, how they operate with proven RBs who have been well documented workhorses for what they do for their team, and which was clearly your basis of comparison of Moreno to a guy like AP - whose name I might add that you introduced as a point of comparison.Maybe YOU ought to read what you write before you decide to throw some darts at people. Bit then that reading compression thing can be a #####.

Never much gave a #### about spelling and grammar in a Fanatasy Football thread but since you brought it up ...WHAT THE FVK does "Bit then that reading compression thing can be a #####" mean?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Yeah, it should have been but rather than bit, but you probably knew that and couldn't help yourself.

Maybe YOU ought to read what you write before you decide to throw some darts at people.

I'm guessing you meant comprehension not compression.

Finally.. I thought I just wasnt picking up what the kids are throwing down these days.

 

[purestrength]

Can we please get back on topic here?

 

[Kenny Powers]

Drafted last night, ball went in the fifth, Moreno in the 8th, and I took Hillman in the 11th.

Similar to mine last night. Ball in the 5th, Moreno in the 10th, I took Hillman in the 13th.

I like Hillman the least of the 3 but why not at that point.

 

[LOCO]

value seems to be increasing on moreno. went in the 8th round, right after ben tate.

 

[ShaHBucks]

value seems to be increasing on moreno. went in the 8th round, right after ben tate.

His own% went up 49% on ESPN since that rotoworld blurb I think. Or maybe they put out an article or something.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

Is Moreno 100% healthy?

He's at full strength. His speed and burst, while somewhat limited, are there on full display every day. He's making cuts and shows no ill effects from a heavy workload with the second team in practice.

 

[fCheeze]

Moreno went in the 7th in my draft last night. I took Hillman in the 12th..

While I thinking Moreno as the value play going in, I consider 7th round a reach for him. At the same time, Hillman in the 12th provides great upside..

 

[DexterDew]

This backfield has me really confused... if the Prime Directive is to keep Peyton upright, then Moreno is the short term/immediate play. I can see Ball gaining more of a share as the season goes on, but wouldn't pay full retail for him right now (5th round pick in redraft). And they spent a 3rd rounder on Hillman, who brings a different skill set to the table (allegedly). Normally, I would avoid a CF like this... but my disdain for RBs forces me sometimes to fight for scraps. With DEN's easy schedule, they can afford to "start" Moreno and work in Ball and Hillman during the year.

 

[pantherclub]

Drafted last night, ball went in the fifth, Moreno in the 8th, and I took Hillman in the 11th.

Similar to mine last night. Ball in the 5th, Moreno in the 10th, I took Hillman in the 13th.

I like Hillman the least of the 3 but why not at that point.

are these mocks or real drafts?

 

[Rushmore]

Is Moreno 100% healthy?

He's at full strength. His speed and burst, while somewhat limited, are there on full display every day. He's making cuts and shows no ill effects from a heavy workload with the second team in practice.

Cecil, I know you seemed kind of high on Hillman early in camp before the fumbles. Obviously there is much more concern with him after the infamous fumbles. What is your gut feeling about the situation now? Do you still have any confidence in Hillman rekindling some of the trust that the staff had in him a month ago? Do you see a chance of him getting the opportunity to right his wrongs and having some value in this backfield ?

 

[Kenny Powers]

Drafted last night, ball went in the fifth, Moreno in the 8th, and I took Hillman in the 11th.

Similar to mine last night. Ball in the 5th, Moreno in the 10th, I took Hillman in the 13th.

I like Hillman the least of the 3 but why not at that point.

are these mocks or real drafts?

It was 1 of my 2 money leagues.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

Is Moreno 100% healthy?

He's at full strength. His speed and burst, while somewhat limited, are there on full display every day. He's making cuts and shows no ill effects from a heavy workload with the second team in practice.

Cecil, I know you seemed kind of high on Hillman early in camp before the fumbles. Obviously there is much more concern with him after the infamous fumbles. What is your gut feeling about the situation now? Do you still have any confidence in Hillman rekindling some of the trust that the staff had in him a month ago? Do you see a chance of him getting the opportunity to right his wrongs and having some value in this backfield ?

No matter how good he looks in practice it doesn't matter if he fumbles. Read this: http://denverssportsstation.com/cecillammey

 

[jdubs952]

Drafted last night, ball went in the fifth, Moreno in the 8th, and I took Hillman in the 11th.

Similar to mine last night. Ball in the 5th, Moreno in the 10th, I took Hillman in the 13th.

I like Hillman the least of the 3 but why not at that point.

are these mocks or real drafts?

Real $200 buy in.

 

[Thews40]

I think you guys are attempting to use preseason stats too much to answer this question, as the only real answer is what actually happens when it's showtime. Ball is going to be the TD vulture IMO. When it's first and 2 from the goal-line, Ball gets the nod. Hillman is a fumble machine and one chuck is going to put him in the doghouse. Moreno is a proven back and not just because he blocks well. All three will see some action, but Moreno in the preseason needs the least work. He can catch passes, so when the pass-first "hurry-hurry" snap is taken and it breaks down, Moreno will get the nod. Why play your hand in the preseason if you don't need to? It's not like Ball has torn it up in preseason, and Hillman is a "just in case" RB IMO.

 

[ponchsox]

Ball and Moreno rested, Hillman played. I think it's a pretty clear sign Hillman is 3rd on the depth chart. The only question is how Ball and Moreno are used in week one.

 

[TheFly06]

Ball and Moreno rested, Hillman played. I think it's a pretty clear sign Hillman is 3rd on the depth chart. The only question is how Ball and Moreno are used in week one.

Correct. Watching the replay between them and the Cards. the color analyst (sorry, didnt catch his name) for the Broncos preseason TV station predicted that it would be a combo of Ball and Moreno week 1 vs Baltimore.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Ball and Moreno rested, Hillman played. I think it's a pretty clear sign Hillman is 3rd on the depth chart. The only question is how Ball and Moreno are used in week one.

Correct. Watching the replay between them and the Cards. the color analyst (sorry, didnt catch his name) for the Broncos preseason TV station predicted that it would be a combo of Ball and Moreno week 1 vs Baltimore.

I think Hillman's still in the mix. Elway said all along that they like him as a CoP back. I think Denver wants him to play Tatum Bell to Montee's Mike Anderson. It does seem like, after spending the whole offseason dreaming of being a featured back, his fumbles have finally turned him back into a pumpkin.

 

[purestrength]

With what we know now, are any of these guys startable in FF for Week 1? Say if I went WR/TE heavy in the early rounds in FPC-style scoring and left myself weak at RB? I'm thinking maybe Ball because of potential goal-line opportunities.

 

[Buffaloes]

With what we know now, are any of these guys startable in FF for Week 1?

thinking of Moreno over Lacy week 1. :not sure:

wouldn't have a problem starting Ball week 1

 

[RBM]

With what we know now, are any of these guys startable in FF for Week 1?

thinking of Moreno over Lacy week 1. :not sure:wouldn't have a problem starting Ball week 1

Wait....how can you consider Moreno over a clear starter? Moreno barely has a role right now.

 

[Buffaloes]

With what we know now, are any of these guys startable in FF for Week 1?

thinking of Moreno over Lacy week 1. :not sure:wouldn't have a problem starting Ball week 1

Wait....how can you consider Moreno over a clear starter? Moreno barely has a role right now.

you sure about that?

 

[RBM]

Week 1 carries prediction assuming they're in a tight game all night.

Ball 14

Moreno 12

Hillman 4

 

[ponchsox]

With what we know now, are any of these guys startable in FF for Week 1?

thinking of Moreno over Lacy week 1. :not sure:wouldn't have a problem starting Ball week 1

Wait....how can you consider Moreno over a clear starter? Moreno barely has a role right now.

If Moreno barely has a role, he would have been playing in a meaningless game nast night.

 

[RBM]

With what we know now, are any of these guys startable in FF for Week 1?

thinking of Moreno over Lacy week 1. :not sure:wouldn't have a problem starting Ball week 1

Wait....how can you consider Moreno over a clear starter? Moreno barely has a role right now.

you sure about that?

I was not aware that Hillman played last night. Very telling imo.

Plus I'm trying to jinx Moreno since I grabbed him late

 

[purestrength]

If RBM's prediction is accurate, I would consider starting Moreno. I'm just not so sure he gets 12 carries.

 

[Anarchy99]

I find it interesting that people think Moreno will be the lead share holder when last year he only played a role when they had to play him. The team has been reluctant to make him the primary ball carrier and each year brought in someone else to run the ball. That still to me tells me that Moreno is not viewed as a main ball carrier or with long term potential in Denver, no matter how much coach speak there is to talk him up. Maybe Moreno will see a little more work in the beginning of the season, but the current coaching staff in DEN drafted Bell and Hillman and will coach them up and eventually both will have bigger roles than Moreno.

 

[Buffaloes]

I find it interesting that people think Moreno will be the lead share holder

Ball imo

 

[Eviloutsider]

I don't think Moreno will come into play until week 8 or so and only if Ball/Hillman don't work out. I am not saying that is what they should do, it just seems like it's the direction they are going in.

 

[bostonfred]

I would be very surprised if a healthy ball got fewer than 10 carries. I would not be surprised in the least if moreno or hillman did. Moreno may get more pass blocking opportunities and more third down looks, as well as some scattered play. Hillman is more likely to get cop carries, and his success with them will determine how much he is used.

Ball also seems most likely to score a td. That doesn't mean the other guys won't, just that ball is substantially more likely.

Ball is a decent flex play this week. The other guys are desperation starts for week 1 and shouldn't be considered unless you drafted early and overcommitted to hillman as one of your starters and have no other option. You might get luck with a big week 1 from hillman but the odds are stacked pretty heavily against it.

Does anyone really disagree with these statements?

 

[FDC]

I would be very surprised if a healthy ball got fewer than 10 carries. I would not be surprised in the least if moreno or hillman did. Moreno may get more pass blocking opportunities and more third down looks, as well as some scattered play. Hillman is more likely to get cop carries, and his success with them will determine how much he is used.

Ball also seems most likely to score a td. That doesn't mean the other guys won't, just that ball is substantially more likely.

Ball is a decent flex play this week. The other guys are desperation starts for week 1 and shouldn't be considered unless you drafted early and overcommitted to hillman as one of your starters and have no other option. You might get luck with a big week 1 from hillman but the odds are stacked pretty heavily against it.

Does anyone really disagree with these statements?

I think I agree too

I'd also add "I would be surprised to see more than 10 carries from Moreno"

Fox is just stubborn as all get out. It appears he made the decision to roll with Ball+HIlman and until the writing is completely on the wall I don't see him turning back to Moreno.

 

[joey]

in my Keep 3, 12 team draft Wednesday, before this last pre-season game:

Ball 6th round

Moreno 7th

Hillman 8th

they all look to expensive for my tastes at that ADP.

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

I find it interesting that people think Moreno will be the lead share holder when last year he only played a role when they had to play him. The team has been reluctant to make him the primary ball carrier and each year brought in someone else to run the ball. That still to me tells me that Moreno is not viewed as a main ball carrier or with long term potential in Denver, no matter how much coach speak there is to talk him up. Maybe Moreno will see a little more work in the beginning of the season, but the current coaching staff in DEN drafted Bell and Hillman and will coach them up and eventually both will have bigger roles than Moreno.

They didn't have to play him. Hillman was considered the starter up until that Sunday morning. All your other points are valid, though Hillman needs to start showing more and soon.

 

[Kenny Powers]

With what we know now, are any of these guys startable in FF for Week 1?

thinking of Moreno over Lacy week 1. :not sure:wouldn't have a problem starting Ball week 1

Wait....how can you consider Moreno over a clear starter? Moreno barely has a role right now.

Well, Lacy is going against SF in week 1, but I wouldnt consider benching him for this opaque DEN RB situation

 

[Jackal King]

I know the hillman haters will throw rocks at this...but, it's possible that Fox wanted to get him a few carries to help get the yips out of Ronnies head. I think he was in there for only 3 plays...and his 2nd carry was an ankle tackle away from a long td. If nothing else, I think Hillman may have replinished a small amount of confidence.

 

[Adam Harstad]

With what we know now, are any of these guys startable in FF for Week 1? Say if I went WR/TE heavy in the early rounds in FPC-style scoring and left myself weak at RB? I'm thinking maybe Ball because of potential goal-line opportunities.

I'm starting Ball in a league where I waited a while at RB. I drafted him to be my RB2, and he hasn't given me any reason to this point not to use him that way.

 

[Adam Harstad]

With what we know now, are any of these guys startable in FF for Week 1?

thinking of Moreno over Lacy week 1. :not sure:wouldn't have a problem starting Ball week 1

Wait....how can you consider Moreno over a clear starter? Moreno barely has a role right now.

If Moreno barely has a role, he would have been playing in a meaningless game nast night.

This is true. Moreno not playing means he's a lock to make the final roster, and that the team has a clear role in mind for him.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

With what we know now, are any of these guys startable in FF for Week 1? Say if I went WR/TE heavy in the early rounds in FPC-style scoring and left myself weak at RB? I'm thinking maybe Ball because of potential goal-line opportunities.

I'm starting Ball in a league where I waited a while at RB. I drafted him to be my RB2, and he hasn't given me any reason to this point not to use him that way.

woah.

 

[Adam Harstad]

With what we know now, are any of these guys startable in FF for Week 1?

thinking of Moreno over Lacy week 1. :not sure:wouldn't have a problem starting Ball week 1

Wait....how can you consider Moreno over a clear starter? Moreno barely has a role right now.

you sure about that?

I was not aware that Hillman played last night. Very telling imo.

Plus I'm trying to jinx Moreno since I grabbed him late

Not as telling as it looks. Denver started Hillman, handed off to him on each of their first two plays, and then shut him down for the night. I'm not sure if the idea was to give him a confidence boost (because before, his last preseason carry was the lost fumble returned for a TD against the Rams), or if the idea was to send him a wakeup call by making him play week 4 of the preseason, or what... but clearly it was an extraordinary circumstance and Hillman received different treatment than all of the other backups and depth guys vying for a roster spot. I'd say Denver still has a clear role in mind for him, too.

 

[socrates]

I know the hillman haters will throw rocks at this...but, it's possible that Fox wanted to get him a few carries to help get the yips out of Ronnies head. I think he was in there for only 3 plays...and his 2nd carry was an ankle tackle away from a long td. If nothing else, I think Hillman may have replinished a small amount of confidence.

Hillman had not earned the right to sit the game out completely.

The Hillman hate in this room is as out of control as the Hillman love was a month ago. Fox has consistently reminded us this is a RBBC, and Hillman will have his role in it . . . unless and until he shows ball security or pass protection issues in games which matter.

 

[bonesman]

I know the hillman haters will throw rocks at this...but, it's possible that Fox wanted to get him a few carries to help get the yips out of Ronnies head. I think he was in there for only 3 plays...and his 2nd carry was an ankle tackle away from a long td. If nothing else, I think Hillman may have replinished a small amount of confidence.

I'm a Ball owner (and Moreno in one league) and I think Hillman has looked the best by far from what I've seen (fumbles aside of course). I hope he falls flat on his face but he's looked the most dangerous to me.

 

[Chaka]

I find it interesting that people think Moreno will be the lead share holder when last year he only played a role when they had to play him. The team has been reluctant to make him the primary ball carrier and each year brought in someone else to run the ball. That still to me tells me that Moreno is not viewed as a main ball carrier or with long term potential in Denver, no matter how much coach speak there is to talk him up. Maybe Moreno will see a little more work in the beginning of the season, but the current coaching staff in DEN drafted Bell and Hillman and will coach them up and eventually both will have bigger roles than Moreno.

I think the Denver situation is going to be a mess from a fantasy perspective but even teams with dominating RBs take RBs with high draft picks. That's because it really helps to have more than one very good RB in the NFL.

I think Hillman is out of the picture for the time being and Ball has his opportunity and if he takes it it could be something special but it is foolish to assume that he will be the main guy from day one over someone the Broncos know they can trust not to #### #### up. If Ball warrants the trust he could be the man and a fantasy monster but in week one Knowshon also has a very good opportunity to demonstrate why the rookie should only be a situational player.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I can't believe anyone would dare start any Bronco RB in week one until this situation gets more clarity.

 

[moleculo]

looks like CJ made the final 53:

C.J. Anderson ‏@CjAndersonRB92h
I'm a bronco

 

[RBM]

Yeah Ball will def get the opportunity, but I just don't think he's good enough to run away and hide. Pedestrian talent, just like Moreno.

 

[moleculo]

Ball was cut - didn't make the 53.

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