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I like Ball for next year, probably going to try to acquire in Dynasty. I like the way he runs and a high-flying pass attack with a bruising Running Back would be fun to watch. Would love to see him vulture some of Peyton's RZ Touchdowns in the future.
I was actually looking at the profiles of backup RBs that have turned into fantasy stars in my column today, and Montee Ball really ticks pretty much every box you'd want. Drafted in the first two rounds and stuck behind a productive veteran with just a year or two left on his contract. Similar profile to Steven Jackson, Frank Gore, Shaun Alexander, Ray Rice, DeAngelo Williams, and Deuce McAllister. Not that Ball will succeed just because those guys did, it's just to say that if you're grading how good of a gamble certain players are, history suggests that Ball is a pretty good one.

 
CJ Anderson, hopefully
Not looking good for Anderson's prospects for 2013. He only played one snap against Kansas City. He was lined up at fullback with Montee Ball also in the backfield. That was actually one more snap than he'd seen the week before against San Diego.

2014 is a new year, but it's looking like he's going to start the race behind Ball, at least.

 
I thought it was completely disrespectful to run the guy into the ground and then replace him at the 1/2 yard line with a rookie that had just fumbled a routine hand-off.

Wasn't a very flashy day for Moreno.

What was impressive though ... with all those carries against a very good D, he did not have a single negative carry until his 26th carry when KC had basically 11 in the box on the Denver's final clock killing drive.

Why they couldn't give him the 1/2 yard TD after he drove it down to the 1 yard line is beyond me.
This makes me laugh
This is the way I picture it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFDG_pzXB9w

 
Thanks for the insight. Both times they had the opportunity to switch personnel based on defensive penalties, they switched to Ball. I hope you are right and it has nothing to do with an intention moving forward to feature him down near the goal line.
1st and 10 at Den 21 - Moreno

1st and 10 at Den 32 - Moreno

2nd and 9 at Den 33 - Moreno

1st and 10 at KC 47 - Moreno

2nd and 10 at KC 47 - Moreno (play is a long gain out of bounds, stops the clock and moves the chains)

1st and 10 at KC 18 - Ball

2nd and 11 at KC 19 - Ball (play draws a defensive penalty, stops the clock and moves the chains)

1st and 10 at KC 14 - Moreno

2nd and 9 at KC 13 - Moreno

3rd and 2 at KC 6 - Moreno

1st and 1 at KC 1 - Moreno (play draws a defensive penalty, stops the clock, resets the downs)

1st and 1 at KC 1 - Ball

One time they switched to Ball, one time they switched to Moreno. Denver ran 12 plays in the drive, and Moreno got 9 of them. Denver ran 7 plays inside the red zone, and Moreno was in on 4 of them. Denver ran two plays from the 1 yard line, and Moreno was in on the first one.

1st and 10 at Den 35 - Moreno

1st and 10 at Den 46 - Moreno

2nd and 10 at Den 46 - Moreno

3rd and 3 at KC 47 - Moreno (play is a long gain, resets the chains)

1st and 10 at KC 14 - Ball

2nd and 4 at KC 8 - Ball

More of the same on Ball's second touchdown. Moreno had the drive, Denver had a break in the action and a chance to swap personnel, Ball lucked into the touchdown.

Denver's first touchdown drive (the pass to Julius Thomas) was all Moreno- 5 snaps, Moreno in for all five of them, including two snaps with goal-to-go from the 9 yard line. Denver had gotten a 70-yard gain to Demaryius the play before, so if they'd wanted to change personnel to get Ball in once they reached the red zone, they would have had a perfect opportunity. They declined, and kept Moreno on the field, instead.

There was no pattern to the usage, no expressed preference for either Moreno or Ball in one area of the field over the other. When Denver had a chance to switch and felt it was worthwhile, they switched, whether they were in the red zone or not, whether they were switching to Ball or Moreno. All told, their three touchdown drives included 11 snaps in the red zone, and Moreno got 6 of them (54.5%). They included 6 snaps inside the 10-yard line, and Moreno got 4 of them (66.7%). They included four true "goal-to-go" snaps, and Moreno got 3 of them (75.0%). Usage-wise, there was nothing in the game to indicate that Denver preferred Ball over Moreno in high-leverage situations. Instead, it was a game of musical chairs, and Ball just twice happened to be the guy in the game when the music stopped.
:thumbup:

 
CJ Anderson, hopefully
Not looking good for Anderson's prospects for 2013. He only played one snap against Kansas City. He was lined up at fullback with Montee Ball also in the backfield. That was actually one more snap than he'd seen the week before against San Diego.

2014 is a new year, but it's looking like he's going to start the race behind Ball, at least.
lol not looking good at all

 
He had a shot tonight after Ball fumbled to be the guy who backs up Moreno. That fumble in the extra frame isn't helping that, though. (Good thing for Denver he didn't lose it.)

 
CJ Anderson, hopefully
Not looking good for Anderson's prospects for 2013. He only played one snap against Kansas City. He was lined up at fullback with Montee Ball also in the backfield. That was actually one more snap than he'd seen the week before against San Diego.

2014 is a new year, but it's looking like he's going to start the race behind Ball, at least.
lol not looking good at all
By my initial tally, Anderson played 11 snaps, got 4 carries, 1 target in the passing game, and fumbled. I stand behind my claim that things aren't looking good for his 2013 prospects. This is the biggest workload Moreno's ever gotten, and Denver desperately wants to keep him on a pitch count to keep him fresh. If Anderson still only played 11 snaps in that situation, it suggests to me that he hasn't yet earned Denver's trust in key situations.

 
He had a shot tonight after Ball fumbled to be the guy who backs up Moreno. That fumble in the extra frame isn't helping that, though. (Good thing for Denver he didn't lose it.)
Was almost like a fumble. Turned likely 3rd and short into 3rd and long and they never converted. Never got the ball back after.

 
So Denver homers, will the management really punish Ball in much the way NE does to its backs? Do you think if Moreno is limited, that Ball won't be relevant next week?

 
They may not have any choice but to use Ball more, if Moreno is too hurt to play, and it sounds like he is, but they had better be preaching ball security and pass protecting ahead of everything else this week in practice, with all RBs.

 
So Denver homers, will the management really punish Ball in much the way NE does to its backs? Do you think if Moreno is limited, that Ball won't be relevant next week?
This was Ball's fourth fumble of the season. After two of the previous three fumbles, Denver had him right back out on the field within two drives. The third fumble came at the end of the game, and on Denver's next drive they were kneeling out the rest of the clock. Shutting Ball down for the day was a pretty unusual move for a coaching staff that has shown a willingness to give him a bit of a leash before this. Besides, Anderson had a fumble of his own, and Hillman has been inactive ever since his own string of fumbles. If Moreno can't go against KC next week, I think Ball would be the guy to start in fantasy.

 
So Denver homers, will the management really punish Ball in much the way NE does to its backs? Do you think if Moreno is limited, that Ball won't be relevant next week?
This was Ball's fourth fumble of the season. After two of the previous three fumbles, Denver had him right back out on the field within two drives. The third fumble came at the end of the game, and on Denver's next drive they were kneeling out the rest of the clock. Shutting Ball down for the day was a pretty unusual move for a coaching staff that has shown a willingness to give him a bit of a leash before this. Besides, Anderson had a fumble of his own, and Hillman has been inactive ever since his own string of fumbles. If Moreno can't go against KC next week, I think Ball would be the guy to start in fantasy.
Jack Del Rio of the Coughlin school on RB's that drop the ball and Fox the opposite?

 
So Denver homers, will the management really punish Ball in much the way NE does to its backs? Do you think if Moreno is limited, that Ball won't be relevant next week?
This was Ball's fourth fumble of the season. After two of the previous three fumbles, Denver had him right back out on the field within two drives. The third fumble came at the end of the game, and on Denver's next drive they were kneeling out the rest of the clock. Shutting Ball down for the day was a pretty unusual move for a coaching staff that has shown a willingness to give him a bit of a leash before this. Besides, Anderson had a fumble of his own, and Hillman has been inactive ever since his own string of fumbles. If Moreno can't go against KC next week, I think Ball would be the guy to start in fantasy.
Jack Del Rio of the Coughlin school on RB's that drop the ball and Fox the opposite?
Don't think so. JDR was in charge last week, and iirc Ball was back on the field on the drive immediately following his fumble, and got goal line carries (scoring a TD) on the drive after that. Maybe he gave Ball a pass for the KC fumble since it was just as much Manning's fault. Maybe he just reached a tipping point last night. We won't know for sure until we see the usage next week.

 
Why did they pick now to run Knowshon into the ground? You're up 24-0 at the half and provide no relief to your starting RB. Knowshon basically played two games this week usage wise. They can't keep this up down the stretch, especially when they build quick leads.

I can't believe I just went on a rant about one of my players getting too much work. I hope some of this rubs off on CJ Spiller.

 
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You can't win in fantasy land. You don't get enough touches, people whine - you get too many touches, people whine. People are only complaining because he got hurt. Denver is doing its best to win - why put Ball back out there when he put the ball on the ground - why give an untested rookie more (Anderson) than a limited amount of carries? Hence the heavy workload for Moreno.

 
If Moreno can't go against KC next week, I think Ball would be the guy to start in fantasy.
Considering the bullish early week rankings for Moreno, if Ball is the guy, does he just step into Moreno's slot or does he dive down the rankings in an assumed RBBC with Anderson?
Good question. No one knows at this point - everyone is speculating. The scenario here (sans Moreno) is similar to the situation currently being played out in Foxboro.

 
You can't win in fantasy land. You don't get enough touches, people whine - you get too many touches, people whine. People are only complaining because he got hurt. Denver is doing its best to win - why put Ball back out there when he put the ball on the ground - why give an untested rookie more (Anderson) than a limited amount of carries? Hence the heavy workload for Moreno.
Fantasy aside it's apart of the coaches job. Look at how Rex had to take heat for Sanchez's shoulder for example. Player are not going to take themselves out. Guess what happends if Moreno suffered a serious injury? You get Ball and Anderson for the ROS and the playoffs!

 
You can't win in fantasy land. You don't get enough touches, people whine - you get too many touches, people whine. People are only complaining because he got hurt. Denver is doing its best to win - why put Ball back out there when he put the ball on the ground - why give an untested rookie more (Anderson) than a limited amount of carries? Hence the heavy workload for Moreno.
Fantasy aside it's apart of the coaches job. Look at how Rex had to take heat for Sanchez's shoulder for example. Player are not going to take themselves out. Guess what happends if Moreno suffered a serious injury? You get Ball and Anderson for the ROS and the playoffs!
I thought they were nuts to put Moreno back out there after he hopped off on one leg and was clearly in a lot of pain. And then I thought they were nuts to give him back to back carries when they put him back in there. My take on Peyton Manning in this game is rather straight forward - he needed to take the game in his hands at some point and never did. 37 carries is too many in today's NFL.

 
You can't win in fantasy land. You don't get enough touches, people whine - you get too many touches, people whine. People are only complaining because he got hurt. Denver is doing its best to win - why put Ball back out there when he put the ball on the ground - why give an untested rookie more (Anderson) than a limited amount of carries? Hence the heavy workload for Moreno.
Fantasy aside it's apart of the coaches job. Look at how Rex had to take heat for Sanchez's shoulder for example. Player are not going to take themselves out. Guess what happends if Moreno suffered a serious injury? You get Ball and Anderson for the ROS and the playoffs!
I thought they were nuts to put Moreno back out there after he hopped off on one leg and was clearly in a lot of pain. And then I thought they were nuts to give him back to back carries when they put him back in there. My take on Peyton Manning in this game is rather straight forward - he needed to take the game in his hands at some point and never did. 37 carries is too many in today's NFL.
I agree about Moreno. But, at 6+ ypc I can't say much about the gameplan.
 
You can't win in fantasy land. You don't get enough touches, people whine - you get too many touches, people whine. People are only complaining because he got hurt. Denver is doing its best to win - why put Ball back out there when he put the ball on the ground - why give an untested rookie more (Anderson) than a limited amount of carries? Hence the heavy workload for Moreno.
Fantasy aside it's apart of the coaches job. Look at how Rex had to take heat for Sanchez's shoulder for example. Player are not going to take themselves out. Guess what happends if Moreno suffered a serious injury? You get Ball and Anderson for the ROS and the playoffs!
I thought they were nuts to put Moreno back out there after he hopped off on one leg and was clearly in a lot of pain. And then I thought they were nuts to give him back to back carries when they put him back in there. My take on Peyton Manning in this game is rather straight forward - he needed to take the game in his hands at some point and never did. 37 carries is too many in today's NFL.
I agree about Moreno. But, at 6+ ypc I can't say much about the gameplan.
6+ sounds good but it actually played right into NE's gameplan and the Broncos lost. With Moreno hurting, Ball and Anderson fumbling, Manning needed to step up at some point. Just my opinion.

 
6+ sounds good but it actually played right into NE's gameplan and the Broncos lost. With Moreno hurting, Ball and Anderson fumbling, Manning needed to step up at some point. Just my opinion.
So, if Welker catches that 3rd down pass near the end of OT, and Prater hits a 48-yard FG for the win, then suddenly running the ball that often and that well all of a sudden looks smart? Okay.

I really thought I had seen it all in the SP, but Manning getting ripped now because his running game was too good is the topper. It just proves that some people love to criticize the guy, and will find a way to do it no matter what.

 
If Moreno can't go against KC next week, I think Ball would be the guy to start in fantasy.
Considering the bullish early week rankings for Moreno, if Ball is the guy, does he just step into Moreno's slot or does he dive down the rankings in an assumed RBBC with Anderson?
Hard to say. There are a lot of "known unknowns" about life post-Moreno, not the least of which is what the hell is going to happen with Ronnie Hillman (who will almost certainly be active again if Moreno is out).

I don't do weekly cheat sheets, but I wouldn't say Ball DIVES down the rankings. He definitely deserves to be ranked lower than even an 80% Moreno would be, but I have a hard time imagining I'd be able to find 20 better RBs for this week.

 
6+ sounds good but it actually played right into NE's gameplan and the Broncos lost. With Moreno hurting, Ball and Anderson fumbling, Manning needed to step up at some point. Just my opinion.
Giving up 280 rushing yards is never part of anyone's game plan.
Right. This is so comical to me. Does anyone picture Belichek on Monday during the film review with the defense saying, "Nice job letting Denver run right into the teeth of the defense over and over and for so many yards. Game balls all around."

 
6+ sounds good but it actually played right into NE's gameplan and the Broncos lost. With Moreno hurting, Ball and Anderson fumbling, Manning needed to step up at some point. Just my opinion.
Giving up 280 rushing yards is never part of anyone's game plan.
Right. This is so comical to me. Does anyone picture Belichek on Monday during the film review with the defense saying, "Nice job letting Denver run right into the teeth of the defense over and over and for so many yards. Game balls all around."
:shrug: During the post game show, Tony Dungy said New England was content to let Moreno reel runs off and take Denver's best player out of the game (Manning). That is Belichek's MO as a defensive game planner. I tend to agree with Dungy on this. Plenty of other people feel Manning needed to take the reins and never did so I guess I'll just have to look at it differently than you all.

 
6+ sounds good but it actually played right into NE's gameplan and the Broncos lost. With Moreno hurting, Ball and Anderson fumbling, Manning needed to step up at some point. Just my opinion.
Giving up 280 rushing yards is never part of anyone's game plan.
Right. This is so comical to me. Does anyone picture Belichek on Monday during the film review with the defense saying, "Nice job letting Denver run right into the teeth of the defense over and over and for so many yards. Game balls all around."
:shrug: During the post game show, Tony Dungy said New England was content to let Moreno reel runs off and take Denver's best player out of the game (Manning). That is Belichek's MO as a defensive game planner. I tend to agree with Dungy on this. Plenty of other people feel Manning needed to take the reins and never did so I guess I'll just have to look at it differently than you all.
I get that they benefited from Moreno running and taking Manning out of the gameplan, but you still have to think that Belichek is not happy that he did so at a 6+ yards per clip. Even though he sold out completely to stop the pass (DThomas didn't have a catch in the first half) and left his run defenders on an island, he still can't be happy with the way Moreno carved them up and will be working on run defense with those guys in practice this week...

 
If Moreno can't go against KC next week, I think Ball would be the guy to start in fantasy.
Considering the bullish early week rankings for Moreno, if Ball is the guy, does he just step into Moreno's slot or does he dive down the rankings in an assumed RBBC with Anderson?
Hard to say. There are a lot of "known unknowns" about life post-Moreno, not the least of which is what the hell is going to happen with Ronnie Hillman (who will almost certainly be active again if Moreno is out).

I don't do weekly cheat sheets, but I wouldn't say Ball DIVES down the rankings. He definitely deserves to be ranked lower than even an 80% Moreno would be, but I have a hard time imagining I'd be able to find 20 better RBs for this week.
Hillman's been deactivated so long now, it's hard to believe he's going to have significant role. He's also had his fumbling issues. So has Ball for that matter. Since Moreno has been ranked in the top 5 or 6, even 80% of that is going to be top 20 by the time the final rankings come out. Right now, Ball is ranked as a desperation RB4. But I expect that to change dramatically. I agree with you that Ball is the play. Even Anderson doesn't strike me as a RB the Broncos management trust.

 
Rotoworld:

Knowshon Moreno (leg/ankle) did not practice Wednesday.

Moreno appeared to injure his ankle in overtime of last Sunday night's loss to the Patriots. He played through the issue but was spotted on crutches and in a walking boot following the game. The Denver Post reported Moreno is dealing with a "significant bone bruise." We don't know much more. All we can do is monitor Moreno through the week and see if he improves. If Moreno is forced to sit out, Montee Ball would seem to be the favorite for early-down work.


Source: Mike Klis on Twitter
 
Montee Ball took the first team reps in practice today.
there is your answer for this week at least
I don't think you can even say for a week. Look at Ridley...once you get the fumbling rep guys will be going at the ball twice as hard on every play trying to force it out. If it hits the ground all bets are off. Also, performance will also dictate carries much more I'd imagines inch it's the battle of the backups.

 
Montee Ball took the first team reps in practice today.
there is your answer for this week at least
I don't think you can even say for a week. Look at Ridley...once you get the fumbling rep guys will be going at the ball twice as hard on every play trying to force it out. If it hits the ground all bets are off. Also, performance will also dictate carries much more I'd imagines inch it's the battle of the backups.
from a fantasy perspective you absolutely can say thats the answer. Start Ball. Period end of story

 
Montee Ball took the first team reps in practice today.
there is your answer for this week at least
I don't think you can even say for a week. Look at Ridley...once you get the fumbling rep guys will be going at the ball twice as hard on every play trying to force it out. If it hits the ground all bets are off. Also, performance will also dictate carries much more I'd imagines inch it's the battle of the backups.
from a fantasy perspective you absolutely can say thats the answer. Start Ball. Period end of story
People said the same of Ridley last week. He's certainly the best start among the RBs on the roster outside of Moreno but he has a very high risk factor and will likely be benched if he puts the ball on the floor. He's only had a total of 75 carries and has fumbled 3 times which is once for every 25 carries. Not a great ratio.He's a boom-bust high risk start IMO. If you have a good stable lineup he would be a great home run hitter but if yo need every point and are scraping a lineup together I might look for a more stable alternative.

 
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Here is my hunch: Ball starts and gets the most carries. Hillman is the COP back and the 3rd down back. CJ Anderson gets about the same amount of work this week as he has previously...not much.

That would make Ball about a RB 25. Hillman would be about RB 35, but closer to RB 25 in ppr. Anderson would be virtually worthless.

 
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Montee Ball took the first team reps in practice today.
there is your answer for this week at least
I don't think you can even say for a week. Look at Ridley...once you get the fumbling rep guys will be going at the ball twice as hard on every play trying to force it out. If it hits the ground all bets are off. Also, performance will also dictate carries much more I'd imagines inch it's the battle of the backups.
from a fantasy perspective you absolutely can say thats the answer. Start Ball. Period end of story
People said the same of Ridley last week. He's certainly the best start among the RBs on the roster outside of Moreno but he has a very high risk factor and will likely be benched if he puts the ball on the floor. He's only had a total of 75 carries and has fumbled 3 times which is once for every 25 carries. Not a great ratio.He's a boom-bust high risk start IMO. If you have a good stable lineup he would be a great home run hitter but if yo need every point and are scraping a lineup together I might look for a more stable alternative.
I am just saying out of the Denver backs Ball is the play here for this week. If you have other options then sure do whatever but from a fantasy perspective on teh Denver running back situation it appears that Ball would be the person to start out of all the guys.

 
People said the same of Ridley last week. He's certainly the best start among the RBs on the roster outside of Moreno but he has a very high risk factor and will likely be benched if he puts the ball on the floor. He's only had a total of 75 carries and has fumbled 3 times which is once for every 25 carries. Not a great ratio.
IIRC Ball has three fumbles and another botched handoff like Anderson's last week. I believe those count as fumbles for the QB, but in both these cases probably belong to the RBs.

 
Montee Ball took the first team reps in practice today.
there is your answer for this week at least
I don't think you can even say for a week. Look at Ridley...once you get the fumbling rep guys will be going at the ball twice as hard on every play trying to force it out. If it hits the ground all bets are off. Also, performance will also dictate carries much more I'd imagines inch it's the battle of the backups.
from a fantasy perspective you absolutely can say thats the answer. Start Ball. Period end of story
People said the same of Ridley last week. He's certainly the best start among the RBs on the roster outside of Moreno but he has a very high risk factor and will likely be benched if he puts the ball on the floor. He's only had a total of 75 carries and has fumbled 3 times which is once for every 25 carries. Not a great ratio.He's a boom-bust high risk start IMO. If you have a good stable lineup he would be a great home run hitter but if yo need every point and are scraping a lineup together I might look for a more stable alternative.
I am just saying out of the Denver backs Ball is the play here for this week. If you have other options then sure do whatever but from a fantasy perspective on teh Denver running back situation it appears that Ball would be the person to start out of all the guys.
This is what people were decisively saying about Hillman when McGahee went down. And then they were saying it again at the beginning of this season. You might be right, but stop acting like it's set in stone. John Fox coaches this team.Have to point out how ironic it is that once again, in this very thread, someone is declaring a Bronco RB the definite play. Hilarious, really.

 
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I think peyton is going to throw the ball a ton this week with moreno out or limited. I wouldn't trust any den rb until we see what happens

 
"Montee Ball received the first-team running back reps at Wednesday's practice.

Knowshon Moreno did not practice due to the bone bruise in his right ankle and is very questionable for Sunday's game against the Chiefs. Ball has lost three fumbles this season, but he's the heavy favorite to start and carry the mail this week. C.J. Anderson is an undrafted rookie and Ronnie Hillman has been a healthy scratch for the last month. Ball, who had been picking up some change-of-pace carries and goal-line work anyway, is a legit RB2 plug-n-play candidate for fantasy owners.

Source: ESPN.com"
 
Montee Ball took the first team reps in practice today.
there is your answer for this week at least
I don't think you can even say for a week. Look at Ridley...once you get the fumbling rep guys will be going at the ball twice as hard on every play trying to force it out. If it hits the ground all bets are off. Also, performance will also dictate carries much more I'd imagines inch it's the battle of the backups.
from a fantasy perspective you absolutely can say thats the answer. Start Ball. Period end of story
People said the same of Ridley last week. He's certainly the best start among the RBs on the roster outside of Moreno but he has a very high risk factor and will likely be benched if he puts the ball on the floor. He's only had a total of 75 carries and has fumbled 3 times which is once for every 25 carries. Not a great ratio.He's a boom-bust high risk start IMO. If you have a good stable lineup he would be a great home run hitter but if yo need every point and are scraping a lineup together I might look for a more stable alternative.
I doubt Denver would have benched Ball for his fumble last week if Moreno had been out.

 

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