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Broncos WR McKinley found dead (1 Viewer)

I feel sadness for his family for having to go through this. But not sure i feel much sadenss for him?? Seems like there are a lot of people in this world giving 110% to beat things like cancer, etc...and he just throws his life away for no seemingly good reason. Seems like such a cowardly act.Am i looking at this completely wrong?
:PIt's not a black and white world. Sometimes, people want to die. Sometimes they get their wish. Whether it's good, bad, neutral, okay-because-it's-inevitable, happy, sad, brave, cowardly, or whatever is a question for philosophers, not message board quackers.Times like this, it's probably best to just conform with public sentiment and offer your T&P, while keeping your specific T's to yourself.
 
I feel sadness for his family for having to go through this. But not sure i feel much sadenss for him?? Seems like there are a lot of people in this world giving 110% to beat things like cancer, etc...and he just throws his life away for no seemingly good reason. Seems like such a cowardly act.Am i looking at this completely wrong?
Mental illness is not a weakness.
Being suicidal isn't a mental illness.
 
I feel sadness for his family for having to go through this. But not sure i feel much sadenss for him?? Seems like there are a lot of people in this world giving 110% to beat things like cancer, etc...and he just throws his life away for no seemingly good reason. Seems like such a cowardly act.Am i looking at this completely wrong?
Mental illness is not a weakness.
Being suicidal isn't a mental illness.
I've always said the same about schizophrenia.
 
I feel sadness for his family for having to go through this. But not sure i feel much sadenss for him?? Seems like there are a lot of people in this world giving 110% to beat things like cancer, etc...and he just throws his life away for no seemingly good reason. Seems like such a cowardly act.Am i looking at this completely wrong?
Mental illness is not a weakness.
Being suicidal isn't a mental illness.
Actually being suicidal can be a result of depression and other mental illness issues. Or being suicidal can be a side effect of some of the medications taken for mental illness.
 
I feel sadness for his family for having to go through this. But not sure i feel much sadenss for him?? Seems like there are a lot of people in this world giving 110% to beat things like cancer, etc...and he just throws his life away for no seemingly good reason. Seems like such a cowardly act.Am i looking at this completely wrong?
Mental illness is not a weakness.
Being suicidal isn't a mental illness.
Actually being suicidal can be a result of depression and other mental illness issues. Or being suicidal can be a side effect of some of the medications taken for mental illness.
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I feel sadness for his family for having to go through this. But not sure i feel much sadenss for him?? Seems like there are a lot of people in this world giving 110% to beat things like cancer, etc...and he just throws his life away for no seemingly good reason. Seems like such a cowardly act.Am i looking at this completely wrong?
Mental illness is not a weakness.
Being suicidal isn't a mental illness.
Actually being suicidal can be a result of depression and other mental illness issues. Or being suicidal can be a side effect of some of the medications taken for mental illness.
Sure
What a #####! I kinda hope you have to deal with serious mental illness sometime. Then you'll understand.
 
Ive seen first hand people that attempted suicide as a result of untreated depression and then after treatment cant believe they were in that state of mind...its an illness and a serious one.

 
Informative article for those uneducated on mental illness. T&P's to McKinley's family.

McKinley's apparent suicide casts light on athletes' risk of depression Story Highlights

Broncos' Kenny McKinley found dead on Monday of a self-inflicted gunshot wound

Athletes are supposed to be macho, so mental illness is often looked down upon

In a high-stress environment, pressure can get to even the strongest individuals

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Kenny McKinley played in eight games as a rookie last season before he was sidelined with a knee injury. He began 2010 on injured reserve.

APIt was before the famous tent stint in Australia, the various drug suspensions, the holistic medicine, the Toronto Argonauts and the Redemption. In the summer of 2003, Ricky Williams was passing through New York on a media tour and we ended up talking. Williams said a few words about his football career, but then, candid as ever, he took the conversation on a hairpin turn and began to talk about his battles with mental illness.

You may recall that during his fairly disastrous tenure with the New Orleans Saints, Williams had a habit of answering questions without removing his football helmet. But that wasn't all. After practice, he would leave the locker room and head to the Burger King drive-thru, only to realize that he would have to interact with someone to place an order. So he would head home to spend the rest of the day in seclusion. The phone would ring and he wouldn't pick up. "At practice [the next day] my teammates would be like, 'Hey, what did you do last night?'" Williams recalled. "I'm thinking, I went from the living room to the office to the bedroom."

The team did little to help. Only after tooling around the Internet did Williams self-diagnose himself with social anxiety disorder. He finally massed the courage to confront the Saints' hidebound coach, Jim Haslett. He explained that he was seeking treatment for a psychological issue. According to Williams, Haslett used profanity to tell him, in so many words, "to stop being a baby and just play football." (Haslett did not respond to SI's questions about the incident.)

Around the same time, Williams broke his ankle. The team treated his recovery as a matter of vital importance. Trainers and rehab specialists oversaw his every move and asked for near-daily updates on his condition. Teammates texted him daily. Williams was struck by the contrast. "There's a physical prejudice in sports," he says. "When it's a broken bone, the teams will do everything in their power to make sure it's OK. When it's a broken soul, it's like a weakness."

I recalled this when the news broke that Denver Broncos wide receiver Kenny McKinley was found dead on Monday afternoon in Arapahoe County of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound. While the investigation is ongoing and McKinley hasn't been officially linked to depression, one has to wonder if he was depressed, especially after he was placed on injured reserve with a knee injury. (According to the National Institute of Mental Health, the risk factors for suicide include depression and other mental disorders or a substance abuse disorder. More than 90 percent of people who commit suicide have these risk factors.)

To the uninitiated, it makes no sense. Aren't these young, sculpted, famous, rich gladiators antithetical to the whole concept of depression? Aren't pro athletes supposed to be impervious to all manner of pain? Don't they collide violently against each other, and need to be talked out of playing with the kinds of injuries that would incapacitate most of us for weeks?

In the macho, less-than-enlightened Republic of Sports, depression and other mental illnesses are often stigmatized as maladies for the weak. "Gutless" was the term Bobby Valentine, then the Mets manager, allegedly used to describe Pete Harnisch after the pitcher suffered a depressive episode. "Run it off," an NBA coach once told Vin Baker when the player tried to explain his depression. "Don't let the blues get you down!"

"Head case" remains one of the most damning labels in the front office. Sports psychologists know that if they want acceptance among athletes, they're better off re-branding themselves as the less-menacing "performance coaches."

The abiding irony: it's entirely possible that athletes in pro sports -- the ultimate kennel of alpha dogs -- might be MORE prone to mental illness than members of society at large. After hereditary influences, the biggest risk factor for depression is stress. Performing in front of thousands of fans, having your work scrutinized and judged regularly, and laboring in a field where success and failure are so clear-cut can exact a huge psychic toll. There's also the stress of knowing that your career, and thus the window of opportunity to make millions, is narrow. As McKinley's agent, Andrew Bondrarowicz, told the Denver Post: "These guys, they're made of steel on the outside. But for a lot of them, the challenge of being at your best and living up to all the expectations is a difficult situation. Some people are better equipped and have the support system."

Other factors include:

• Head injuries. Studies show that someone who has endured multiple concussions is up to four times more likely to suffer depression. Athletes, of course, are at a far greater risk than the general population to suffer cranial injuries, which can alter brain chemistry. Andre Waters, the Eagles' fearsome defensive back, committed suicide in 2006 at age 43; an autopsy revealed that his brain tissue had degenerated to that befitting a man in his 80s.

Another Philadelphia football player, Owen Thomas, a reserve for Penn, committed suicide in April and was honored posthumously just last weekend. According to researchers, he, too, showed early signs of chronic traumatic encephalopathy.

• Childhood trauma. Researchers know that exposure to trauma at a young age can lead to an increased likelihood of depression and mental illness later in life. (Studies have also shown that growing up in a single-parent household can increase the risk.) Think about how many "athlete narratives" contain almost unimaginably bleak childhood episodes.

Apart from medication and therapy, mental health can be improved by social stability and a solid home life. For all the perks of playing sports for a living, social stability does not rank high on the list. From the road games to the constant possibility of a trade to an all-consuming regular season to the dissonance that accompanies coming into vast sums of wealth overnight, sports are hardly conducive to social stability.

* * *

The wheels of progress tend to turn slowly in sports. But they do rotate. As mental health has become better understood and accepted in the mainstream -- where the National Institute of Mental Health suggests that a quarter of American adults suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year -- so too are psychological issues beginning to lose some of their stigma in sports. In recent years a welter of athletes in a variety of sports (Jennifer Capriati, Joey Votto, Stephane Richer) have unashamedly admitted to battling mental illness. It was the inimitable Ron Artest who, during his memorable monologue after the NBA Finals, expressed profuse thanks to his psychiatrist.

In this excellent recent article, my colleague Pablo Torre notes that Royals pitcher Zack Greinke is even hailed as the "Jackie Robinson" of mental illness. Greinke missed most of an entire season to address and treat social anxiety disorder and clinical depression. Crediting therapy and anti-depressants, he returned to win the Cy Young Award. "Whether he likes it or not, [Greinke] is the guy who really paved the way for the modern player to come out about these issues," Mike Sweeney, a former teammate, told SI.

Scan the injured reserve or disabled list and, likely for the first time, explanations of "social anxiety" and "stress-related" are among the listed causes. To Ricky Williams' point, athletes now can have a credible reason for missing games even if the malady doesn't appear on an X-Ray or MRI.

In some cases, teams and leagues and even college programs have gone proactive, educating athletes and making psychiatrists, psychologists and mental health experts readily available. In Torre's story, source after source suggested that the culture in sports is, finally, shifting. As it should be. Athletes like Kenny McKinley might appear to be made of steel on the outside. Inside? They're simply as prone to mental illness as the rest of us -- likely more so.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writ...p#ixzz10BcV6eXF
 
What a #####! I kinda hope you have to deal with serious mental illness sometime. Then you'll understand.
You need to calm down, RespektMyGangsta.
Actually I see where Respekt is coming from. Robopunter, you are the one who needs to calm down and stop posting. You have said some pretty rude and disrespectful things in this thread even if you don't realize it, you're not a shrink, you are not experienced in the field of mental illness. I am not either but have known people very close who were suicidal and one very close to me who succeeded. Sometimes when you have nothing productive to say about a sensitive subject it's better to keep your thoughts to yourself.
 
Being suicidal isn't a mental illness.

Actually being suicidal can be a result of depression and other mental illness issues. Or being suicidal can be a side effect of some of the medications taken for mental illness.

Sure

What a #####! I kinda hope you have to deal with serious mental illness sometime. Then you'll understand.

While I don't wish mental illness on anyone, including my worst enemy, it's quite obvious this guy has never seen first hand the effects depression can have on somebody. Depression is real. These people don't want to die, their brains are telling them it's the only way out. While it hasn't been proven, they (the health field) believes it's a chemical imbalance in the brain in which the neurotransmitters aren't "firing" properly, which leads to negative thoughts-(guilt, worthlessness, suicidal tendencies), insomnia, severe weight loss and many other symptoms. Depression can turn the once most healthy/happy person to turn to suicide. My thoughts and prayers go out to the family. RIP

 
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While I don't wish mental illness on anyone, including my worst enemy, it's quite obvious this guy has never seen first hand the effects depression can have on somebody. Depression is real. These people don't want to die, their brains are telling them it's the only way out. While it hasn't been proven, they (the health field) believes it's a chemical imbalance in the brain in which the neurotransmitters aren't "firing" properly, which leads to negative thoughts-(guilt, worthlessness, suicidal tendencies), insomnia, severe weight loss and many other symptoms. Depression can turn the once most healthy/happy person to turn to suicide. My thoughts and prayers go out to the family. RIP
No, I have. Let's stop making this about judging me, or making this thread the medium for us to spill all of our own little crosses to bear, or copy/pasting what depression is from wikipedia - everyone has dealt with depression. It's pretty common. And please don't assume what field I'm in, it's just foolish.
 
While I don't wish mental illness on anyone, including my worst enemy, it's quite obvious this guy has never seen first hand the effects depression can have on somebody. Depression is real. These people don't want to die, their brains are telling them it's the only way out. While it hasn't been proven, they (the health field) believes it's a chemical imbalance in the brain in which the neurotransmitters aren't "firing" properly, which leads to negative thoughts-(guilt, worthlessness, suicidal tendencies), insomnia, severe weight loss and many other symptoms. Depression can turn the once most healthy/happy person to turn to suicide. My thoughts and prayers go out to the family. RIP
No, I have. Let's stop making this about judging me, or making this thread the medium for us to spill all of our own little crosses to bear, or copy/pasting what depression is from wikipedia - everyone has dealt with depression. It's pretty common. And please don't assume what field I'm in, it's just foolish.
It's pretty obvious you haven't or else you wouldn't be making these unsympathetic remarks. You are correct that it is the most common mental illness but you couldn't be more wrong by saying "everyone has dealt with depression" and even though you stuck a nerve with your little remarks I can only laugh off the last one because it's pretty apparent you have no clue what the hell you are talking about. Anyway I'm done responding to this issue as this thread was suppose to be about McKinnley, not you or I. RIP KM
 
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The Arapahoe County Sheriff's office police report states that McKinley had been suffering from depression since undergoing knee surgery four weeks ago, according to Mike Klis of the Denver Post. While he never let on to his teammates, McKinley told others shortly after his surgery "that he should just kill himself."

The report mentioned McKinley was worried about what he would do if he couldn't play football, because that's all he knew.

McKinley was found by two female friends, who were watching McKinley's young son Keon for the day. All three were present when the police arrived.

The police said the floor McKinley was on was "very smoky" and an officer "could smell a strong odor of marijuana" when they arrived. McKinley was found with a pillow over his head and his hand just below a semiautomatic gun's grip.
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Rumor from a friend in Denver is that a Broncos assistant coach chewed the kid out the day before he went Cobain. The assistant coach allegedly told the kid he was going to end up pumping gas the rest of his life in Carolina unless he worked his ### off to rehab from his injury. Apparently this sent him over the edge.

 
While I don't wish mental illness on anyone, including my worst enemy, it's quite obvious this guy has never seen first hand the effects depression can have on somebody. Depression is real. These people don't want to die, their brains are telling them it's the only way out. While it hasn't been proven, they (the health field) believes it's a chemical imbalance in the brain in which the neurotransmitters aren't "firing" properly, which leads to negative thoughts-(guilt, worthlessness, suicidal tendencies), insomnia, severe weight loss and many other symptoms. Depression can turn the once most healthy/happy person to turn to suicide. My thoughts and prayers go out to the family. RIP
No, I have. Let's stop making this about judging me, or making this thread the medium for us to spill all of our own little crosses to bear, or copy/pasting what depression is from wikipedia - everyone has dealt with depression. It's pretty common. And please don't assume what field I'm in, it's just foolish.
It's pretty obvious you haven't or else you wouldn't be making these unsympathetic remarks. You are correct that it is the most common mental illness but you couldn't be more wrong by saying "everyone has dealt with depression" and even though you stuck a nerve with your little remarks I can only laugh off the last one because it's pretty apparent you have no clue what the hell you are talking about. Anyway I'm done responding to this issue as this thread was suppose to be about McKinnley, not you or I. RIP KM
please just ban the guy... :sadbanana:
 

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