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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...SPG4RK86KV1.DTLThe main concern with drafting Brooks, was if he was going to start all season. Training camp doesn't mean much come regular season, but it's good to hear Brooks is sperating himself from the pack in Oakland.
Yeah, whatever. When he starts hurling those drive killing interceptions and committing other mind numbing decisions from under center, then we'll see how team mates feel about his leadership qualities. You either have it or you don't. I don't get the magazines and this board when a guy's history is clearly laid out before us and yet somehow all that doesn't factor in. This guy, based on his ADP, will be the biggest bust in 2006.
Out of curiousity, who is going to beat him out for the job? The immortal Andrew Walter? The legendary Kent Smith? Or perhaps the awe-inspiring Marques Tuiasosopo. Aaron Brooks might have a 1.5:1 TD:Int ratio, but Tuiasosopo has a 1.5:1 vowel:consonant ratio! Top that, Brooks! Between them, Oakland's backups have appeared in 11 games and thrown a whopping 75 passes. Between them, none were reason enough to prevent Oakland from going out and signing Brooks to a big-money contract. If you honestly believe that they're an improvement over Aaron Brooks, then I'm afraid you're mistaken. Aaron Brooks has proven that he'll never be an elite QB, but he's also proven that he'll never be in the bottom 5-10, either. He's thrown more TDs than Ints every year except for last year (do I really need to be the first to cry "extenuating circumstances"?), he's a huge rushing threat, and he posts a solid ypa. Could I name 10 QBs that I'd rather have than Aaron Brooks? Absolutely. Could I name 10 QBs that I'd rather have Aaron Brooks than? Absolutely.
As for Brooks and his INT's, I beleive I read somewhere that he is mid-pack among starting QB's in terms of INT's per pass attempts. What worries me is that when the Radiers are 3-8 they will look to their potential QB of the future - Walter - and I will need to go to my bench for the fantasy playoffs. If I was certain Brooks would be playing 16 games, I would take him without a doubt. Based on his ADP I beleive there are no better QB values out there - assuming he plays 16 games.
Why? Do you believe a losing season will cause Shell to want to start younger guys, or do you see Brooks getting hurt, or do you see Brooks playing himself out of the starting lineup?
R U SHURE?
btw Kerry Collins finished as Qb 11 in my leagues scoring last year. Considering Moss's injury and that I am positive that Brooks is a better Qb, particularly for this offense than Collins is, Brooks could easily finish higher than that in terms of FPs.
Going off the FBGs depth charts and starting from the top...Kelly Holcomb, Charlie Frye, Rex Grossman, David Carr, Brad Johnson, Chad Pennington, Alex Smith, Phillip Rivers, Chris Simms, Billy Volek, Marc Brunell. That's not counting the injury risks or John Kitna (who, as I think more about it, I'd probably put below Brooks). This is for real life football purposes, not fantasy football.R U SHURE?
:whoosh: So wait a minute.. is that 20 Qbs you would rather have than Brooks?Going off the FBGs depth charts and starting from the top...Kelly Holcomb, Charlie Frye, Rex Grossman, David Carr, Brad Johnson, Chad Pennington, Alex Smith, Phillip Rivers, Chris Simms, Billy Volek, Marc Brunell. That's not counting the injury risks or John Kitna (who, as I think more about it, I'd probably put below Brooks). This is for real life football purposes, not fantasy football.R U SHURE?
Now, of course, I'm only talking about this season- I would rank a couple of those guys ahead of Brooks in terms of long-term value... but on the other hand, by the time those guys are better than Brooks, some other QBs will have retired or aged (Bledsoe, Favre, etc) and there'll be a whole new batch of QBs that Brooks is better than.
16-18. There are a couple of QBs who I lump in with Brooks as pretty interchangeable.:whoosh: So wait a minute.. is that 20 Qbs you would rather have than Brooks?Going off the FBGs depth charts and starting from the top...Kelly Holcomb, Charlie Frye, Rex Grossman, David Carr, Brad Johnson, Chad Pennington, Alex Smith, Phillip Rivers, Chris Simms, Billy Volek, Marc Brunell. That's not counting the injury risks or John Kitna (who, as I think more about it, I'd probably put below Brooks). This is for real life football purposes, not fantasy football.R U SHURE?
Now, of course, I'm only talking about this season- I would rank a couple of those guys ahead of Brooks in terms of long-term value... but on the other hand, by the time those guys are better than Brooks, some other QBs will have retired or aged (Bledsoe, Favre, etc) and there'll be a whole new batch of QBs that Brooks is better than.
Well, I was wondering about DeCleater's rationale, but I am just as interested in your opinion, joffer.How do you see that shaking out? Do you believe Shell will go with one of the other two guys just b/c Brooks plays really poorly, and that other player will excel? If so, who do you see as the Raiders' answer?
i think the Raiders will struggle, i think Brooks will play poorly but put up respectable fantasy numbers, and i think towards the end of the season they will look to see what they have with Walter.Shell doesn't strike me as a guy that will tolerate Brooks' poor decision making the way Haslett did.
In that respect, why draft P. Manning? He's a risk of sitting out key playoff games too....
not for the same reasons, but you make a good point about elite players who are on teams likely to "clinch" their spots before the season is over.
Under these circumstances ie poor record and no chance of playoffs later in the season coupled with poor play and decision making by Brooks the replacement imo would be undoubtably Andrew Walter. Walter has great skills and they would then look to get him some experience in games that have no bearing on the remainder of the season so they can evaluate what they need to do in the offseason/draft.Tui has had his chances and proven not to be the answer allready imho.
Yet, none of the above have anything to do with FANTASY football.
This shows how much potential the Raider offense has. Especially when you consider Brooks > Collins and Moss, Curry, and Jordan could be healthy this year.Now consider that per FBG ADP, Brooks is currently the 16th QB drafted and 104th player off the board. That is value. Period.
Do you remember what QBs Shell had his 1st time around? God, this looks too familiar. At least then he had M.Allen and Bo as well as T.Brown and a so/so defense. If he can get that line to play any better than last year though, you can bump both the offense and defense up at least 5 spots. BTW, Haslett WAS the bad decision.
I guess I don't get this perspective completely. Check last season. The Raiders were 4-6 after 10 games, then lost 6 straight games to end the season. Collins did miss week 14 but came back to play weeks 15 to 17. So why didn't the Raider "look to see what they have with Walter"?joffer specifically mentioned that Shell will put up with less than Haslett. I can only assume that you guys think this year will be different than last year specifically because of Shell. Is that it? Why wouldn't Davis, who I have read around here supposedly loves Walter's arm, have forced him into the lineup for the last game or two if Turner didn't want to play him?
The fantasy myth is that Brooks is turnover prone.
Sometimes you have to look beyond the stats. I've watched my fair share of Saints games since my family is from there. It isn't that Brooks throws a ton of INTs. It's that he throws them at the worst times during the game...or he takes a sack rather than throwing the ball away...or he misses a wide open receiver for a first down or (worse) TD. The knock on Brooks and why the Saints went shopping for a new signal caller is the guy just isn't football smart. He is the anti-thesis of Tom Brady.Brooks isn't value because:
Do you mean Jay Schroeder
or Jeff Hostetler
Hostetler looks like a closer compare than Schroeder does to me. A better runner and Brooks still has better TD/INT ratio than either of them I believe.Aaron Brooks
Agree that this topic has allready been thouroughly covered in linked threads.
This is completely wrong. First off, as of 7/25, Brooks was on average being drafted as the 16th QB and the 104th player per FBG ADP data. A far cry from top 10.Given where you can get him, if he is your QB1, then the rest of your roster is stacked, not a bad thing. More likely, he will be your QB2, possibly a relatively quick pick after a late QB1 pick. So that eliminates your QB1 issue.
You made a couple of points that may be very true. Bad decisions are a flaw in his game and that won't likely change just because of being on a different team. As for his ADP, that sharks I've drafted with see him as someone with upside but only if he's well below his ADP. I have heard comments that they like his situation but they also understand he comes with risk. So getting him at a good value is the only way they will consider him. They usually back him up with other similar value plays as well.
i'm really not arguing that Brooks won't put up decent fantasy numbers while he's playing, however, the year that Hos was QB3 (1993), the Raiders had little in the way of a running game
This guy "gets it" -- his mastery of the english language is second to none.
+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Name | G | RSH YARD AVG TD | REC YARD AVG TD |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Nick Bell | 10 | 67 180 2.7 1 | 11 111 10.1 0 || Randy Jordan | 10 | 12 33 2.8 0 | 4 42 10.5 0 || Napoleon McCallum | 13 | 37 114 3.1 3 | 2 5 2.5 0 || Tyrone Montgomery | 12 | 37 106 2.9 0 | 10 43 4.3 0 || Greg Robinson | 12 | 156 591 3.8 1 | 15 142 9.5 0 || Steve Smith | 16 | 47 156 3.3 0 | 18 187 10.4 0 |I believe Walter was hurt. He had surgery in the off season. I guess I was wrong about the ADP. Based on my scoring system he is QB9. Not sure why that is, but I should have checked the site before shooting my mouth off. I still think his stock will rise as we get deeper into the pre-season. Just look at the response in the threads we've had to this point.
