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BROWNS 2007 THREAD (1 Viewer)

Hey guys, what are your thoughts about Brady Quinn as QB? I didn't get a chance to see him play at all, in preseason or regular season, and I am wondering what level of confidence Browns fans have in the guy should Anderson leave. Edwards is one of my keepers, so I have a keen interest in these developmentsNi
He looked fine in the preseason for a rookie that missed part of camp. Mostly short passes, but he was accurate, something I would say DA struggles with. He took like 8 snaps during the season, but we heard good things out of Berea about the kid.You should probably feel very comfy with Edwards as a keeper. The guy can make plays.
 
Nice BQ. :confused:

Quinn part of rowdy group outside Columbus bar, witness says

Posted by Aaron Marshall February 13, 2008 06:12AM

Cleveland.com

Cleveland Browns quarterback Brady Quinn was part of a group of men shouting insults at gay passers-by outside a Columbus bar early on New Year's Day, according to a 9-1-1 call made to police.

The call at 2:35 a.m. came from Seth Harris, who reported that he encountered the group in front of La Fogata Grill at 790 North High St. The Mexican restaurant is next door to the Union Cafe Bar + Food, one of Columbus' most popular gay bars in the gay-friendly Short North neighborhood.
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Yeah I heard he was using the "f" word. Well i hope Brady Quinn is not a gay basher. Pretty sad. All haters suck.
Only thing worse than being a hater is being a hater of your own kind.
 
Browns' Quinn denies altercation

by Tom Withers Associated Press

Wednesday February 13, 2008, 6:07 PM

Cleveland Browns quarterback Brady Quinn denied that he was involved in an altercation on New Year's Day in which a man claimed on an emergency phone call that Quinn made a slur at him.

On a 911 call early Jan. 1, Seth Harris told Columbus police that Quinn was with a group at La Fogata Grill and that they were insulting gays outside the restaurant.

"There's a group of football players, Brady Quinn from the Browns ... and he's trying to cause a fight," Harris told the operator. "His friends are yelling at all of the gay people that are around here."

Harris said he had a verbal exchange with Quinn.

In a statement released Wednesday through the Browns, Quinn said he had dinner on New Year's Eve with his girlfriend and other couples but that nothing else happened.

"At no time that night was I involved in a verbal or physical altercation, nor did I have any interaction with the police," Quinn said in the statement. "I want to be clear that I did not engage in any of the alleged conduct, nor did I make inappropriate comments to anyone.

"Any allegations to the contrary are either untrue or the result of misidentification."

However, Columbus police said when they arrived Quinn was arguing with 32-year-old Jason Thompson.

Quinn's friends encouraged him to step back from the situation and he did, police spokeswoman Amanda Ford said.

She added that police did not hear any comments made at the scene and couldn't confirm Harris' statements on the 911 call.

"We don't know what that argument was about," Ford said.

After Quinn backed off, Thompson turned his aggression on officers and he was arrested and accused of disorderly conduct, Ford said.

The Browns issued a statement backing Quinn, their former first-round draft pick who played in just one game as a rookie.

"We are aware of the alleged comments made by Brady Quinn, which the Browns take seriously," the club's statement said. "After speaking with Brady and his representatives we find these reported accusations without merit."
 
How did the G-Men beat the undefeated Patiots? The Giants credit the game plan created by Browns HC Romeo Crennel.

Go to the link for the full story.

http://www.eagletribune.com/pusports/local...eyword=topstory

How we stopped the greatest offense ever Giants assistant reveals the game plan

By Bill Burt

... One game that particularly caught the interest of the Giants coaches was not the game everyone probably would have predicted, like Philadelphia or Baltimore.

It was the Patriots game against the Cleveland Browns, on Oct. 7.

The Patriots won, 34-17, which seemed to fit in with all their previous blowout wins the first two months.

But the win was a lot tougher than the stat sheet revealed.

Two of the Patriots touchdowns followed interceptions in Browns territory (34- and 25-yard lines) and another came on a fourth quarter interception return (Randall Gay) for a touchdown.

And while Brady had a very good quarterback rating, 105.7, he completed only 22 of 38 passes for 57.5 percent, his lowest until the Ravens game eight weeks later.

"We learned the most from watching this game. Romeo knew the (Patriots) group," he said of Cleveland head coach Romeo Crennel, the former Patriots defensive coordinator. "The Browns played a two-deep (safety) scheme, mixing them up on third down, especially. Their players always put their hands on receivers at the line of scrimmage, especially on third down. It was the best we saw.

"Romeo didn't want to get beat giving up the deep pass. It was similar to what you saw the Eagles and Ravens do," said Giunta. "But the Browns did it better."

The Browns were the first team that decided Moss, who had averaged 7.8 receptions for 126.3 yards and 1.8 TDs the first four games, was not going to beat them.

Moss finished the Cleveland game with three catches for 46 yards and no scores.

"They also got a little pressure on Brady," said Giunta. "It was really the game that showed us the most."

He really means the second most, because the Giants-Pats game to end the regular season was their barometer, and specifically those notes.

And the defensive game plan was born.
 
so if the Browns end up trading DA, who will be the backup to Quinn? everyone knows that Dorsey is a rostered coach, and drafting a QB to be the backup doesn't seem like a smart move. anyone available who looks like a good fit?
I'd like Billy Volek of those available.
 
What do the best TEs make today? He should be paid like one IMO. I'll also say that $4-$5M is not too shabby.
He has three years left on his deal. I think we shouldn't worry about re-signing him and plan to franchise tag him as long as he's worth it. His bionic knees are going to cut his career short, I don't want to be on the hook for him long term. After what his knees endured six-seven productive years in the league would be an accomplishment.
 
Also, if we don't sign Jamal.....what about Fred Taylor? Interesting. I don't see Barber leaving Dallas, but that's another intriuging player.
Fred Taylor's wrapped up by the Jags for one more season. His re-structure/cut year isn't until next offseason.
 
Things that make you go hmnnnnn?

Savage tells his scouts to prepare for this draft like the Browns own a first round draft pick.

Go to the link for the entire story, some highlights.

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=...21848&rfi=6

Savage: 'You never know what can happen'

Jeff Schudel, JSchudel@News-Herald.com

02/17/2008

NFL notes: Browns GM is instructing scouts to prepare as if the team has a first-round draft pick

... "The staff has been instructed to scout as if we have all of our picks, particularly our number one pick," General Manager Phil Savage said recently. "You never know what can happen."

... the Browns will concentrate on defensive linemen and linebackers.

... Free agency starts Feb. 29, almost two months before the draft, so the Browns have been busy getting ready for the opening bell. Historically they move quickly, as they did last year...
Schudel also notes the Browns could be interested in signing Al Wilson and can do that prior to Free agency rope drop.
 
Schudel also notes the Browns could be interested in signing Al Wilson and can do that prior to Free agency rope drop.
Haven't heard much about Andra Davis lately. Would this move mean that he is shown the door? I thought they would be shopping Davis to make room to get Leon Williams on the field. Has that changed?
 
Schudel also notes the Browns could be interested in signing Al Wilson and can do that prior to Free agency rope drop.
Haven't heard much about Andra Davis lately. Would this move mean that he is shown the door? I thought they would be shopping Davis to make room to get Leon Williams on the field. Has that changed?
The cundundrum at LBer for the Browns is thus. Andra Davis has the size and strength but lacks range. He showed his worth in the blizzard game where he was a one man wrecking crew when the slow footing equaled the playing field for his particular skills. He holds value since he's the only big body LBer in the middle for the Browns since we currently lack a true NT who can eat blockers up at the LOS and let smaller inside linebackers roam and make plays. Adra can shed blockers but lacks range.D'Qwell has range but isn't deft at shedding blocks.Leon Williams seems to lack discipline and that is the key of the defense, no free lancing because it can cause havoc. He also is light in his base and would fit in better in a 4-3 that allows free lancing. He has potential to add wieght and become more disciplined but for right now, that is how I see the inside linebackers.I think Schudel is thinking out loud on the interest in Al Wilson who seems a bad fit in the Browns scheme. The reason is because D'Qwell is playing a role where he is protected, the Patriot scheme calls it the 'UP' linebacker where the role is for this inside linebacker to drop in coverage or take certain angles where they don't have to square up on blockers. The 'other' inside linebacker is more exposed to blockers and is moving forward playing 'DOWN' and they also have a role where they want the 'DOWN' linebacker to have the ability to rush the passer ALA Teddy Bruschi. Teddy isn't dropping in coverage as much but is good at moving forward and taking on/shedding blockers and has the ability to rush the passer. As you can see, Andra can move forward and shed blockers but he's not much on pass rushing and his range is limited. D'Qwell and Al Wilson are too similiar IMHO since both appear similiar albeit with Al having much more range and if his neck checks out A'OK he can shed blockers. I think he'd be a better fit in the middle of a 3-4 with his range if he's healthy.
 
Things that make you go hmnnnnn?

Savage tells his scouts to prepare for this draft like the Browns own a first round draft pick.

Go to the link for the entire story, some highlights.

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=...21848&rfi=6

Savage: 'You never know what can happen'

Jeff Schudel, JSchudel@News-Herald.com

02/17/2008

NFL notes: Browns GM is instructing scouts to prepare as if the team has a first-round draft pick

... "The staff has been instructed to scout as if we have all of our picks, particularly our number one pick," General Manager Phil Savage said recently. "You never know what can happen."

... the Browns will concentrate on defensive linemen and linebackers.

... Free agency starts Feb. 29, almost two months before the draft, so the Browns have been busy getting ready for the opening bell. Historically they move quickly, as they did last year...
Schudel also notes the Browns could be interested in signing Al Wilson and can do that prior to Free agency rope drop.
might not mean anything, but it shows you a good front office is always prepared and always does their homework.
 
Things that make you go hmnnnnn?

Savage tells his scouts to prepare for this draft like the Browns own a first round draft pick.

Go to the link for the entire story, some highlights.

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=...21848&rfi=6

Savage: 'You never know what can happen'

Jeff Schudel, JSchudel@News-Herald.com

02/17/2008

NFL notes: Browns GM is instructing scouts to prepare as if the team has a first-round draft pick

... "The staff has been instructed to scout as if we have all of our picks, particularly our number one pick," General Manager Phil Savage said recently. "You never know what can happen."

... the Browns will concentrate on defensive linemen and linebackers.

... Free agency starts Feb. 29, almost two months before the draft, so the Browns have been busy getting ready for the opening bell. Historically they move quickly, as they did last year...
Schudel also notes the Browns could be interested in signing Al Wilson and can do that prior to Free agency rope drop.
might not mean anything, but it shows you a good front office is always prepared and always does their homework.
Yeah, I actually would expect this. And if I was Lerner, or the boss of any GM, this is how I'd want my ship run. Plus, it not only helps the now "just in case", but also later next season and beyond.
 
Things that make you go hmnnnnn?

Savage tells his scouts to prepare for this draft like the Browns own a first round draft pick.

Go to the link for the entire story, some highlights.

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=...21848&rfi=6

Savage: 'You never know what can happen'

Jeff Schudel, JSchudel@News-Herald.com

02/17/2008

NFL notes: Browns GM is instructing scouts to prepare as if the team has a first-round draft pick

... "The staff has been instructed to scout as if we have all of our picks, particularly our number one pick," General Manager Phil Savage said recently. "You never know what can happen."

... the Browns will concentrate on defensive linemen and linebackers.

... Free agency starts Feb. 29, almost two months before the draft, so the Browns have been busy getting ready for the opening bell. Historically they move quickly, as they did last year...
Schudel also notes the Browns could be interested in signing Al Wilson and can do that prior to Free agency rope drop.
might not mean anything, but it shows you a good front office is always prepared and always does their homework.
It means nothing. Any smart front office would do the same. Come draft day you never know what might happen trade wise and why not be prepared and scouted the players available.
 
Schudel also notes the Browns could be interested in signing Al Wilson and can do that prior to Free agency rope drop.
Haven't heard much about Andra Davis lately. Would this move mean that he is shown the door? I thought they would be shopping Davis to make room to get Leon Williams on the field. Has that changed?
The cundundrum at LBer for the Browns is thus. Andra Davis has the size and strength but lacks range. He showed his worth in the blizzard game where he was a one man wrecking crew when the slow footing equaled the playing field for his particular skills. He holds value since he's the only big body LBer in the middle for the Browns since we currently lack a true NT who can eat blockers up at the LOS and let smaller inside linebackers roam and make plays. Adra can shed blockers but lacks range.D'Qwell has range but isn't deft at shedding blocks.Leon Williams seems to lack discipline and that is the key of the defense, no free lancing because it can cause havoc. He also is light in his base and would fit in better in a 4-3 that allows free lancing. He has potential to add wieght and become more disciplined but for right now, that is how I see the inside linebackers.I think Schudel is thinking out loud on the interest in Al Wilson who seems a bad fit in the Browns scheme. The reason is because D'Qwell is playing a role where he is protected, the Patriot scheme calls it the 'UP' linebacker where the role is for this inside linebacker to drop in coverage or take certain angles where they don't have to square up on blockers. The 'other' inside linebacker is more exposed to blockers and is moving forward playing 'DOWN' and they also have a role where they want the 'DOWN' linebacker to have the ability to rush the passer ALA Teddy Bruschi. Teddy isn't dropping in coverage as much but is good at moving forward and taking on/shedding blockers and has the ability to rush the passer. As you can see, Andra can move forward and shed blockers but he's not much on pass rushing and his range is limited. D'Qwell and Al Wilson are too similiar IMHO since both appear similiar albeit with Al having much more range and if his neck checks out A'OK he can shed blockers. I think he'd be a better fit in the middle of a 3-4 with his range if he's healthy.
:shrug: True dat.
 
Couldn't agree more with Grossi here...

Browns and Samuel are not a free agent match

by Tony Grossi

Monday February 18, 2008, 2:26 PM

A report in the Boston Herald that links Patriots free agent cornerback Asante Samuel to the Browns is a reminder that the "silly season" is upon us.

That's the time of the NFL business year when free agents and potential draft picks are pointed to one team or another with limited basis in fact. The Herald story assumes the Browns would be interested in Samuel merely because Romeo Crennel was his first defensive coordinator with New England.

The Herald story states: "Browns cornerbacks Leigh Bodden and Eric Wright show promise, but neither is anywhere close to Samuel. Crennel knows Samuel is a good fit for his system and acquiring him would keep the surprising Browns in the hunt."

A couple of things:

1. If Samuel could rush the passer or stop the run, he might be worth considering. But to invest $60 million to $80 million in a cornerback is positively crazy. (Denver cornerback Champ Bailey is quoted in the story as saying Samuel might be worth $100 million. Only a cornerback looking to ride the coattails of such a contract would make such an outlandish statement.) Besides, Bodden and Wright are good enough to win with.

2. Outsiders constantly make the mistake that any player Crennel previously coached has the inside track to becoming a Brown. Actually, if Samuel played for Baltimore, he'd have a better chance of interesting the Browns because the man who makes the personnel decisions is General Manager Phil Savage.

So don't put any credence in any report linking Samuel to the Browns. They need to upgrade the front seven, not the back four. The secondary is strong and fairly deep, considering the late-season development of Brandon McDonald.

The Browns are far from the perfect team, but of all the things they need on defense, an $80 million cornerback might be at the the bottom of the list.
 
Things that make you go hmnnnnn?

Savage tells his scouts to prepare for this draft like the Browns own a first round draft pick.

Go to the link for the entire story, some highlights.

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=...21848&rfi=6

Savage: 'You never know what can happen'

Jeff Schudel, JSchudel@News-Herald.com

02/17/2008

NFL notes: Browns GM is instructing scouts to prepare as if the team has a first-round draft pick

... "The staff has been instructed to scout as if we have all of our picks, particularly our number one pick," General Manager Phil Savage said recently. "You never know what can happen."

... the Browns will concentrate on defensive linemen and linebackers.

... Free agency starts Feb. 29, almost two months before the draft, so the Browns have been busy getting ready for the opening bell. Historically they move quickly, as they did last year...
Schudel also notes the Browns could be interested in signing Al Wilson and can do that prior to Free agency rope drop.
might not mean anything, but it shows you a good front office is always prepared and always does their homework.
It means nothing. Any smart front office would do the same. Come draft day you never know what might happen trade wise and why not be prepared and scouted the players available.
Well I'm in the camp that it MIGHT mean nothing rather than it absolutely means nothing.First off. A few years ago, when Savage was with the Ravens, Baltimore was completely caught off-guard when Terrell Suggs dropped to them when they were all set to select Byron Leftwitch. They had done 'some' scouting but they didn't do in-depth interviews and background checks, etc et el, that they would have done if they felt they would have a legit shot to draft him. They were floored when he dropped that far in the draft. The Browns first selection isn't until the 53 overall pick in the second round. HIGHLY DOUBTFUL that any top drafted player would fall THAT FAR. So this isn't a case of due-diligence. This obviously hints of the contigency of the Browns acquiring a first round pick.

The reason is contingency planning. Sure the Browns HAVE to plan to do contigency planning where they MIGHT be able to recoup a first round pick. They will approach the draft based on contingency planning of what they might do in free agency prior to the draft. Oh and rest assured, they haven't made their big board for the draft yet. Heck they haven't attended the combine but in the backs of their minds they are planning what they will do IF they get shut out of landing any defensive linemen or linebackers in free agency and I'm sure they have already done reams of film study and have already done layers of research that no one on these boards has done.

The name of the game is contigency planning. I were a GM I would base my draft off contingencies of what I have already drafted in previous rounds. When Savage to states he wants his scouts to plan the draft like they have a first round pick it could just be a simple statement or he could be expecting he will get a first round pick and wants his team to plot out rounds after the first round based off the contigency of what will be taken with the top pick. He could be saying he wants his scouts to re-organize the rest of the draft based off of the contgency of how the board would change should they have a first round pick and I would imagine after the Baltimore/Suggs situation that he is making them project EVERY possible player up to and including the top pick in the draft.

Also one other thing this could be refering to. Savage has already stated that he would not be adverse to trading away next year's first round draft pick in exchange for moving up in this draft. He may have even been refering to that scenario. He might have another contigency in place where he gives up his late second round pick and moves up for the price of his 09 first round choice. I'm not sure who he might be targeting late in the first round but that might be another situation that he is mapping out.

 
Things that make you go hmnnnnn?

Savage tells his scouts to prepare for this draft like the Browns own a first round draft pick.

Go to the link for the entire story, some highlights.

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=...21848&rfi=6

Savage: 'You never know what can happen'

Jeff Schudel, JSchudel@News-Herald.com

02/17/2008

NFL notes: Browns GM is instructing scouts to prepare as if the team has a first-round draft pick

... "The staff has been instructed to scout as if we have all of our picks, particularly our number one pick," General Manager Phil Savage said recently. "You never know what can happen."

... the Browns will concentrate on defensive linemen and linebackers.

... Free agency starts Feb. 29, almost two months before the draft, so the Browns have been busy getting ready for the opening bell. Historically they move quickly, as they did last year...
Schudel also notes the Browns could be interested in signing Al Wilson and can do that prior to Free agency rope drop.
might not mean anything, but it shows you a good front office is always prepared and always does their homework.
It means nothing. Any smart front office would do the same. Come draft day you never know what might happen trade wise and why not be prepared and scouted the players available.
Well I'm in the camp that it MIGHT mean nothing rather than it absolutely means nothing.First off. A few years ago, when Savage was with the Ravens, Baltimore was completely caught off-guard when Terrell Suggs dropped to them when they were all set to select Byron Leftwitch. They had done 'some' scouting but they didn't do in-depth interviews and background checks, etc et el, that they would have done if they felt they would have a legit shot to draft him. They were floored when he dropped that far in the draft. The Browns first selection isn't until the 53 overall pick in the second round. HIGHLY DOUBTFUL that any top drafted player would fall THAT FAR. So this isn't a case of due-diligence. This obviously hints of the contigency of the Browns acquiring a first round pick.

The reason is contingency planning. Sure the Browns HAVE to plan to do contigency planning where they MIGHT be able to recoup a first round pick. They will approach the draft based on contingency planning of what they might do in free agency prior to the draft. Oh and rest assured, they haven't made their big board for the draft yet. Heck they haven't attended the combine but in the backs of their minds they are planning what they will do IF they get shut out of landing any defensive linemen or linebackers in free agency and I'm sure they have already done reams of film study and have already done layers of research that no one on these boards has done.

The name of the game is contigency planning. I were a GM I would base my draft off contingencies of what I have already drafted in previous rounds. When Savage to states he wants his scouts to plan the draft like they have a first round pick it could just be a simple statement or he could be expecting he will get a first round pick and wants his team to plot out rounds after the first round based off the contigency of what will be taken with the top pick. He could be saying he wants his scouts to re-organize the rest of the draft based off of the contgency of how the board would change should they have a first round pick and I would imagine after the Baltimore/Suggs situation that he is making them project EVERY possible player up to and including the top pick in the draft.

Also one other thing this could be refering to. Savage has already stated that he would not be adverse to trading away next year's first round draft pick in exchange for moving up in this draft. He may have even been refering to that scenario. He might have another contigency in place where he gives up his late second round pick and moves up for the price of his 09 first round choice. I'm not sure who he might be targeting late in the first round but that might be another situation that he is mapping out.
You're missing the point. It does mean nothing because Savage is smart enough to prepare for the draft as if the Browns had a 1st rd pick because come draft day the opportunity might come up that they might be able to trade into the 1st rd. Either way he must prepare for this possibilty. How stupid would it be if they made a trade to get into the 1st rd and all his scouts have blank stares because they were told to only scout players with 2nd rd grades or worse. You are reading more into this than there really is.
 
PEARLAND, TEXAS: Browns defensive back Kenny Wright was arrested Thursday after police said he led them on a quarter-mile foot case that began in the parking lot of the police station.

Wright, 30, faces a misdemeanor charges of unlawful restraint, evading arrest and possession of marijuana. He remained in the Pearland City Jail on Thursday night pending a bond hearing Friday.

Pearland police said officers were investigating a disturbance in the police station parking lot around 11:30 a.m. Thursday, and when officers approached Wright, he took off running and was eventually caught in a nearby subdivision.

Sgt. Roy Castillo said in a statement that ''we had people on scene pretty fast and I believe because of our quick response time and the mental and physical toughness of our officers to catch offenders, we were able to get him in custody quickly and safely.''

Police said they found 1.875 ounces of marijuana in Wright's vehicle.

A jail official told The Associated Press he did not know if Wright has an attorney.

If found guilty on the unlawful restraint charge, Wright faces up to a year in jail and a $4,000 fine. If found guilty on the other charges, Wright faces up to six months in jail and a $2,000 fine on each charge.

Wright, who attended Northwestern State in Louisiana, was a fourth round pick in the 1999 draft by the Minnesota Vikings. The nine-year veteran has also played for Houston, Jacksonville and Washington. He has seven career interceptions.

Houston television station KRIV first reported the arrest.

Pearland is about 15 miles south of Houston.

 
Unfortunately, this is a position that we don't have a lot of depth and considering that there are drug allegations, we have to assume that there may be a suspension coming along the way.... That being said, the player involved is a back-up and is replaceable in the off-season either through free-agency or the draft. Might be worth it just to send a message and cut him now.

 
Wait a minute, one of our cornerbacks got caught in a foot race by some cops? Cut him for that alone.

 
Unfortunately, this is a position that we don't have a lot of depth and considering that there are drug allegations, we have to assume that there may be a suspension coming along the way.... That being said, the player involved is a back-up and is replaceable in the off-season either through free-agency or the draft. Might be worth it just to send a message and cut him now.
i think i read he had 3 special teams tackles, and three tackles on defense. also, that he was on the team because of ties to Grantham.i would be very suprised if they don't cut him.
 

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