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Browns - gonna be in trouble for letting McCoy play w/concussion (1 Viewer)

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Colt McCoy's father said Friday that the Browns QB doesn't remember anything after James Harrison's helmet-to-helmet hit Thursday night, and never should have been allowed back in the game.

"I talked to Colt this morning and he said, 'Dad, I don't know what happened, but I know I lost the game. I know I let the team (down). What happened? ... He was basically out (cold) after the hit ... He was nauseated and he didn't know who he was. From what I could see, they didn't test him for a concussion on the sidelines." As we suspected, the Browns are going to land in hot water for this one. McCoy should never have been rushed back into the game.

Why the hell can't I like a team that wins, and doesn't pull dumb move after dumb move....

This one is gonna cost them

 
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'rizzler said:
Colt McCoy's father said Friday that the Browns QB doesn't remember anything after James Harrison's helmet-to-helmet hit Thursday night, and never should have been allowed back in the game."I talked to Colt this morning and he said, 'Dad, I don't know what happened, but I know I lost the game. I know I let the team (down). What happened? ... He was basically out (cold) after the hit ... He was nauseated and he didn't know who he was. From what I could see, they didn't test him for a concussion on the sidelines." As we suspected, the Browns are going to land in hot water for this one. McCoy should never have been rushed back into the game.Why the hell can't I like a team that wins, and doesn't pull dumb move after dumb move....This one is gonna cost them
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As a Browns fan, this pisses me off big time. They could have checked and double checked Colt out; Seneca looked good on the couple of snaps and the one throw he made. Players and agents keep this stuff on their mental rolodexes when considering to sign somewhere. Eff Pat Shurmur. Right in the face. And Holmgren right in the stache. Even if staches are making a comeback.
 
'NJDawgPound said:
'rizzler said:
Colt McCoy's father said Friday that the Browns QB doesn't remember anything after James Harrison's helmet-to-helmet hit Thursday night, and never should have been allowed back in the game."I talked to Colt this morning and he said, 'Dad, I don't know what happened, but I know I lost the game. I know I let the team (down). What happened? ... He was basically out (cold) after the hit ... He was nauseated and he didn't know who he was. From what I could see, they didn't test him for a concussion on the sidelines." As we suspected, the Browns are going to land in hot water for this one. McCoy should never have been rushed back into the game.Why the hell can't I like a team that wins, and doesn't pull dumb move after dumb move....This one is gonna cost them
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As a Browns fan, this pisses me off big time. They could have checked and double checked Colt out; Seneca looked good on the couple of snaps and the one throw he made. Players and agents keep this stuff on their mental rolodexes when considering to sign somewhere. Eff Pat Shurmur. Right in the face. And Holmgren right in the stache. Even if staches are making a comeback.
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yes, yes and yes.I like the dumbest organization is football... not a few yrs back I thought we had things in order.... edwards, winslow, anderson... the start of a revolution.Nope. We proved we suck even hardercome to think of it... Colt threw 2 picks (both called back) and took 1 or 2 sacks after being concussed... jesus.
 
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Hindsight is 20/20 but Wallace woulda done a better job in the redzone. I don't know why they put McCoy back right after that hit. Doesn't make sense.

 
I don’t put a lot of stock in a day after chat with pops to describe what may be have been a concussion. Aren’t there tests that the team medical staff are required to perform in order to clear a player to go back in after a vicious hit like that? Later on it looked like Harrison apologized on the field to McCoy and McCoy acknowledged the apology. From that standpoint, he seemed to be in his full senses. I don’t think the Browns operate with impunity of the NFL to perform this process. They must have performed some qualifying tests to confirm some reasonable assurance that McCoy was OK.

That being said, Colt McCoy did look not altogether there on that last drive. I don’t really understand what the Browns coaches were thinking down 14-3 and a little over two minutes left. They never really tried to use the sideline to stop the clock and even allowed some precious seconds tick away before the two minute warning. There was no plan to come back and try to score quickly, onside kick, etc. They seemed content to take a bunch of garbage yards the Steelers were allowing them and killing the clock themselves. Browns coaching staff really dropped the ball with the playcalling and McCoy didn’t seem to even understand that the clock was ticking against them as they drove downfield prior to that last sack to end the game. I don’t blame Cleveland fans for being mad/frustrated. But I also wouldn’t take McCoy’s dads story as hard evidence of any coaching wrongdoing. You can bet the NFL will investigate, but I’d give the Browns the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

 
'Raiderfan32904 said:
You can bet the NFL will investigate, but I’d give the Browns the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
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Personally, I dont give the Browns any more benefit of the doubt. Pops made it clear that he did not see any sideline testing being done on his son. Odd. But could be wrong. I'm sure he wouldve asked his son, to be sureYou would also think Pops wouldnt come out with a brutal quote like this if it weren't true. That's some pretty damning stuff.Again, could be wrong... But I'm going with guilty, until proven innocent on the Browns.
 
Not condoning what the Browns did but this guy pulled up in the BCS game a couple years ago over not much...did anyone see what Big Ben suffered thru last night?

Colt was getting medical attention it seemed for his hands, maybe the Browns didn't know he was knocked out. :yeahright:

 
I'm a Browns fan and it was obvious that Colt had his bell wrung and shouldn't have gone right back in the game.

On a completely different note.

I wonder if the NFL should come down on Pittsburgh for a similiar violation earlier in the season when Troy P should not have been let back in games?

YEP! Fine them both because both teams should follow the rules, they shouldn't only be applied to one team.

Also Harrison is a three time loser on late head hits to QBs so fine him big time for that hit.

 
'Ministry of Pain said:
Colt was getting medical attention it seemed for his hands, maybe the Browns didn't know he was knocked out. :yeahright:
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Staff: How are your hands?Colt: They're at the end of my arms.Staff: HOW are your hands?Colt: Strong, but gentle. No callouses. Staff: He's good to go.
 
Didn't the League implement a procedure where they have their own personnell up in the booths and if they see something that they think should be checked out, they are to issue to the team for the player to be checked?

I thought I heard them talking about it on a night game a while back and that it was to take the bias out of it, etc.

 
'Shutout said:
Didn't the League implement a procedure where they have their own personnell up in the booths and if they see something that they think should be checked out, they are to issue to the team for the player to be checked? I thought I heard them talking about it on a night game a while back and that it was to take the bias out of it, etc.
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That's what I was thinking-- I thought there were supposed to be league people on hand to observe that the protocols were being followed on the sideline and that players weren't just being run back out there.
 
McCoy has a potential lawsuit against the team and the league here if this or subsequent concussions derail his career.

 
1. Dear Colt McCoy's family, STAY THE HELL OUT OF THE MEDIA! TIA

2. Dear Browns medical staff, you are all fired, effective immediately.

3. Dear Colt McCoy, I'm sorry about the concussion, but you flat out suck. GTFO

What a ####### embarrassment this team has become. Week after week.

 
This might be the end of the line for Colt. If this concussion ends his season and lingers he could sue the Browns and NFL for huge money and win. He potentially could make more from a lawsuit than he would as a player the rest of his career.

 
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'gradin123 said:
This might be the end of the line for Colt. If this concussion ends his season and lingers he could sue the Browns and NFL for huge money and win. He potentially could make more from a lawsuit than he would as a player the rest of his career.
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WE KNOW
 
'nxmehta said:
'BroadwayG said:
An elaborate scheme to deflect the fact that McCoy just isn't very good.
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Unfortunately everyone already knows this, sorry Dad McCoy.
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I'm not ready to give up on McCoy. He has only started 21 games, and is plagued with a patchwork O-line, a receiving squad that leads the league in drops, and a coach that is proving that he can't walk and chew gum at the same time. Who on this offense hasn't screwed McCoy with a key drop. Little, Watson, MoMass, and even both Cribbs and Evan Moore with bad drops last week.He's probably never going to set the league on fire, but he could be a average/above-average QB with some help.

 
'Raiderfan32904 said:
Later on it looked like Harrison apologized on the field to McCoy and McCoy acknowledged the apology. From that standpoint, he seemed to be in his full senses.
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looks like raiderfan is aware of a simpler and better test for concussions. maybe you should offer your services to the local medical community.
 
I like McCoy's running ability, but his arm strength looks totally inadequate. Andy Dalton doesn't have a cannon, but even he blows McCoy away. There was one deep ball last night - the one that Gay made a nice play on in the endzone - where McCoy was at about midfield and had to take about three steps like he was doing the javelin toss to load up and get the ball to the endzone. It hung up and floated there so long that Gay had plenty of time to recover from being beat on a double move.

A play or two later, as the Browns were getting ready to try a Hail Mary right before the half, Nessler made some comment about whether McCoy would be able to get the ball to the endzone.

That lack of arm strength definitely isn't going to cut it with the weather and defenses of the AFC North.

 
I said it this morning ... the McCoy experiment is over. They need to go get Flynn when he becomes a FA at the end of the year. McCoy is a servicable backup and nothing more.

 
'Raiderfan32904 said:
I don’t put a lot of stock in a day after chat with pops to describe what may be have been a concussion.
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That seems entirely beside the point. It isn't a question of whether he was concussed or not, it is a question of whether or not the Browns checked him for a concussion. There's no excuse if they didn't. The hit was so obvious I'm amazed that they didn't.
 
'LittlePhatty said:
It isn't a question of whether he was concussed or not, it is a question of whether or not the Browns checked him for a concussion. There's no excuse if they didn't. The hit was so obvious I'm amazed that they didn't.
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I agree, the crucial question is: Did the Browns training staff do a concussion check/test during the game and before the let him back out there? We still don't know the answer, and even if they didn't, you can bet the Browns will have a sideways excuse for not checking him (while they were attending to his hand). And you imply that the concussion was obvious, but it's not until its confirmed by trainers using procedures. No one can just by observation state that someone has or hasn't been concussed.
 
'Raiderfan32904 said:
And you imply that the concussion was obvious, but it's not until its confirmed by trainers using procedures.
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I said the hit was obvious, which is a little confusing reading it back now. But I meant that for anyone who saw that hit, it should have been obvious that Colt needed to be checked.

 
Is there any video of him being confused and not quite right on the field? Wait, maybe he just has concussion symptoms all the time so it was hard to tell if anything was different.

 
'Ministry of Pain said:
Not condoning what the Browns did but this guy pulled up in the BCS game a couple years ago over not much...did anyone see what Big Ben suffered thru last night?

Colt was getting medical attention it seemed for his hands, maybe the Browns didn't know he was knocked out. :yeahright:
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you are saying Mccoy pulled himself in the title game over "not much". why would you stretch to try and rip Mccoy so much? you are ill-informed on what happened in the title game[link]

[/link]come on man

 
'hines said:
'Ministry of Pain said:
Not condoning what the Browns did but this guy pulled up in the BCS game a couple years ago over not much...did anyone see what Big Ben suffered thru last night?

Colt was getting medical attention it seemed for his hands, maybe the Browns didn't know he was knocked out. :yeahright:
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you are saying Mccoy pulled himself in the title game over "not much". why would you stretch to try and rip Mccoy so much? you are ill-informed on what happened in the title game[link]

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Interestingly enough... after watching this video, I wonder why more people don't rip on McCoy for his "tebow-like" God rant...I'm sure that couldn't have been his one and only.

Not that I care what people say about their faith. Good for them. But Tebow gets butt-hurt from it by the boatload.

 
wow. I thought at the time that he looked like he might have gotten concussed. As a steelers D owner I liked him throwing that int at the GL but it was likely a symptom of 'not knowing who he was' a few minutes before that toss.

It makes his 'it's all good pat' w/Harrison a little :lmao: like he might have not even known he was the guy who hit him...



Posted at 01:43 PM ET, 12/09/2011

Colt McCoy's father rips Browns for handling of concussion



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Cindy Boren

Colt McCoy doesn't remember the James Harrison hit that flattened him. (Justin K. Aller / Getty Images)



The father of Cleveland Browns quarterback Colt McCoy says his son doesn't remember his helmet-to-helmet collision with Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker James Harrison on Thursday night and that he should have not gone back into the game.

"I talked to Colt this morning and he said, 'Dad, I don't know what happened, but I know I lost the game,' " Brad McCoy, a high school football coach and his son's junior-high and high-school coach, told the Plain Dealer's Mary Kay Cabot. "I know I let the team down. What happened?' "



McCoy left the game for two plays and threw an interception into the end zone three plays after he returned. The Browns lost, 14-3.



"He never should've gone back in the game," Brad McCoy said. "He was basically out after the hit. You could tell by the ridigity of his body as he was laying there.



"There were a lot of easy symptoms that should've told them he had a concussion. He was nauseated and he didn't know who he was. From what I could see, they didn't test him for a concussion on the sidelines. They looked at his

hand."



The Steelers were hit with a 15-yard roughing-the-passer penalty; Harrison may well be hit with a big fine for the play. And McCoy may also have broken his hand on the play. Browns Coach Pat Shurmur said McCoy was well enough to return to the field, but his father said that McCoy, who suffered a concussion in high school and at least one with the Browns, was anything but fine.



"After the game, the [media relations staff] made sure Colt's interview was brief and he couldn't face the lights in his press conference," Brad McCoy said. "The TV lights and the stadium lights were killing him. Why would you say he was fine? That makes it even worse."

<a target="_blank" href="https://twitter.com/#!/MaryKayCabot/status/145218453727490048" style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px; line-height: 1.5em; text-align: left; color: rgb(12, 71, 144); ">Shurmur said "we're proceeding"

as if McCoy has a concussion. He added that the quarterback did not begin showing symptoms until after the game. McCoy would not have been allowed to return to action if he had been symptomatic, Shurmur said.​
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'rizzler said:
Colt McCoy's father said Friday that the Browns QB doesn't remember anything after James Harrison's helmet-to-helmet hit Thursday night, and never should have been allowed back in the game."I talked to Colt this morning and he said, 'Dad, I don't know what happened, but I know I lost the game. I know I let the team (down). What happened? ... He was basically out (cold) after the hit ... He was nauseated and he didn't know who he was. From what I could see, they didn't test him for a concussion on the sidelines." As we suspected, the Browns are going to land in hot water for this one. McCoy should never have been rushed back into the game.Why the hell can't I like a team that wins, and doesn't pull dumb move after dumb move....This one is gonna cost them
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what a horrible title for a thread. but the spliff down and edit that title.
 
'rizzler said:
'NJDawgPound said:
'rizzler said:
Colt McCoy's father said Friday that the Browns QB doesn't remember anything after James Harrison's helmet-to-helmet hit Thursday night, and never should have been allowed back in the game."I talked to Colt this morning and he said, 'Dad, I don't know what happened, but I know I lost the game. I know I let the team (down). What happened? ... He was basically out (cold) after the hit ... He was nauseated and he didn't know who he was. From what I could see, they didn't test him for a concussion on the sidelines." As we suspected, the Browns are going to land in hot water for this one. McCoy should never have been rushed back into the game.Why the hell can't I like a team that wins, and doesn't pull dumb move after dumb move....This one is gonna cost them
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As a Browns fan, this pisses me off big time. They could have checked and double checked Colt out; Seneca looked good on the couple of snaps and the one throw he made. Players and agents keep this stuff on their mental rolodexes when considering to sign somewhere. Eff Pat Shurmur. Right in the face. And Holmgren right in the stache. Even if staches are making a comeback.
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yes, yes and yes.I like the dumbest organization is football... not a few yrs back I thought we had things in order.... edwards, winslow, anderson... the start of a revolution.Nope. We proved we suck even hardercome to think of it... Colt threw 2 picks (both called back) and took 1 or 2 sacks after being concussed... jesus.
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He was clearly making Bad/slow decisions at the end of that game.
 
'BroadwayG said:
Is there any video of him being confused and not quite right on the field? Wait, maybe he just has concussion symptoms all the time so it was hard to tell if anything was different.
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He looked fine to me, and like a couple of people already mentioned he was smiling and talking with Harrison a few plays later.
 
'Widbil83 said:
'BroadwayG said:
Is there any video of him being confused and not quite right on the field? Wait, maybe he just has concussion symptoms all the time so it was hard to tell if anything was different.
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He looked fine to me, and like a couple of people already mentioned he was smiling and talking with Harrison a few plays later.
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A concussion doesn't mean you lose ability to talk or smile.Read the entire article from Colt's dad. He didn't remember anything, couldn't face the bright lights from cameras in post game and couldn't drive himself home.http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/12/colt_mccoys_father_says_mccoy.htmlI never saw anyone even have Colt follow a finger up, down, side to side. He got his finger wrapped and went right back in. The classic tell tale sign of a concussion is when your body goes rigid right after the hit. You will notice that happened.
 
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'rizzler said:
'hines said:
Not condoning what the Browns did but this guy pulled up in the BCS game a couple years ago over not much...did anyone see what Big Ben suffered thru last night?

Colt was getting medical attention it seemed for his hands, maybe the Browns didn't know he was knocked out. :yeahright:
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you are saying Mccoy pulled himself in the title game over "not much". why would you stretch to try and rip Mccoy so much? you are ill-informed on what happened in the title game[link]

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I was very impressed by Mccoy because this came after a devastating injury and loss. But you are right, it's not only Mccoy but there are tons of athletes/coaches who are upfront about giving thanks to God and it never gets mentioned anywhere near the amount it does when people are talking about Tebow
 
If McCoy has a diagnosed concussion, there are only 2 possibilities, neither reflects good on the Browns as an orginization... epecially given the recent emphasis on concussion awareness.

 
'Widbil83 said:
'BroadwayG said:
Is there any video of him being confused and not quite right on the field? Wait, maybe he just has concussion symptoms all the time so it was hard to tell if anything was different.
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He looked fine to me, and like a couple of people already mentioned he was smiling and talking with Harrison a few plays later.
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As harisson cam up and said "sorry bout that' Colt Prolly replied, "I'll Miss you most of all scarecrow."
 
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'hines said:
'rizzler said:
Not condoning what the Browns did but this guy pulled up in the BCS game a couple years ago over not much...did anyone see what Big Ben suffered thru last night?

Colt was getting medical attention it seemed for his hands, maybe the Browns didn't know he was knocked out. :yeahright:
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you are saying Mccoy pulled himself in the title game over "not much". why would you stretch to try and rip Mccoy so much? you are ill-informed on what happened in the title game[link]

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I think it's pretty annoying when these guys feel the need to spend 10 seconds thanking god instead of talking about the game. I'd rather they thanked the sponsors like the nascar guys, at least then they might be doing something productive.It's pretty egotistical that these guys think that this omniscient being who created and lords over the UNIVERSE is aiding them to the detriment of the other team on the field. Like really? I'm guessing such a god would have better things to do than watch and aid the cleveland browns.

 
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'Hipple said:
It's pretty egotistical that these guys think that this omniscient being who created and lords over the UNIVERSE is aiding them to the detriment of the other team on the field. Like really? I'm guessing such a god would have better things to do than watch and aid the cleveland browns.
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you are aware it's possible to pray for things other than victory, right?Do you have this same level of vitriol for folks who say a prayer before meals? For folks who say grace, do you assume they are praying that their meal will taste the best?
 
The only thing I want to add to this thread is that NFL network was doing alot of close ups of his face under center. It was clear to me, 1000 miles away, the guy was concussed. Maybe its my martial arts background, but he clearly looked dazed and confused. I would think anyone with any experience should have picked up on it.

And not "I'm seeing something I haven't seen" dazed and confused. You know, his normal look. More like, "What's going on, why am I here and why are these 11 HGH'd freaks running after me and trying to hurt me" dazed and confused.

 
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