Browns: If D. Anderson declines latest offer, he is likely gone (1 Viewer)

[AtomicDogg97]

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/15439609/detail.html

Savage: Anderson Almost Out Of Time With Browns

POSTED: 2:15 pm EST February 28, 2008

UPDATED: 2:26 pm EST February 28, 2008

CLEVELAND -- Browns quarterback Derek Anderson is on the clock.

General manager Phil Savage said if Anderson declines the Browns' three-year offer on a new contract and becomes a restricted free agent Friday, it's unlikely he'll be back.

If Anderson signs with another team, Savage said the Browns probably wouldn't be able to match that offer.

Instead, they'd take the first- and third-round pick draft picks they'd receive as compensation and turn to Brady Quinn as the starting quarterback.

The Browns have tendered Anderson a one-year offer, and he would receive $2.5 million if he didn't accept another contract.

Savage said if Anderson doesn't take their three-year deal, the quarterback must think he will get an offer from another team.

 

[wadegarrett]

link

 

[RudeDog]

So, do the Phish take Ryan or the proven Anderson ?

 

[The Man With No Name]

That would be 2009 1st and 3rd round picks they would get, right?

 

[teamroc]

That would be 2009 1st and 3rd round picks they would get, right?

I would assume so. Otherwise you could trade for the 31st pick in the 1st round, and the last pick in the 3rd round, then go grab a RFA. I also assume you have to own your picks for 2009 also. I'm sure someone can verify this.

 

[MAC_32]

Sounds like a writer is messing with Savage's words, he is only gone if someone else makes an offer. I haven't read anywhere about a team potentially making him an offer.

 

[MAC_32]

So, do the Phish take Ryan or the proven Anderson ?

Neither.

 

[duece2626]

That would be 2009 1st and 3rd round picks they would get, right?

They would be '08 picks, to my knowledge.

 

[RudeDog]

So, do the Phish take Ryan or the proven Anderson ?

Neither.

Probably right.... with the Tuna now in charge I can't see them going anywhere but defense.

 

[The Man With No Name]

That would be 2009 1st and 3rd round picks they would get, right?

They would be '08 picks, to my knowledge.

Even if he is signed after the draft? Of course not.I don't know. Can anyone confirm that they would get 2008 picks if he is signed by a team before the draft with a link?

 

[duece2626]

That would be 2009 1st and 3rd round picks they would get, right?

They would be '08 picks, to my knowledge.

Even if he is signed after the draft? Of course not.I don't know. Can anyone confirm that they would get 2008 picks if he is signed by a team before the draft with a link?

Well of course it wouldnt' be '08 picks if he signs after the draft.

 

[AtomicDogg97]

Browns fans all would love for a team to sign him and give us a first and third round pick. I just can't see it happening.

 

[Banger]

I have nothing to base this on but I think that the Browns may want DA to get taken. It's probably the best way to deal with the situation they are in without being severely criticized. You make an offer that you think he likely won't take and then try to drum up interest in the RFA market hoping that someone swoops in and drops some much needed draft picks on your lap.

He can then go back and say, "hey, we made an effort to get him signed, we just couldn't come to terms". It then allows them to start Quinn without the controvery of sitting the best 24 old QB in NFL history (kidding). If they really felt that DA was the goods they would've pushed harder to get him under contract. My take is that they are fine if he walks and would be happy with the picks.

 

[saintfool]

i see him taking the offer. no one is going to pay R1 and R3 picks for him. he'll play for the season and move on elsewhere. i would expect quinn to take over by week 12, if they're out of the playoff picture.

 

[flranger]

Steal for the Browns if they can get a 1st and 3rd for him.

Mark it down......Brady Quinn will be borderline top 10QB with that offense (by the end of the season). That O Line is turning out to be very good.

 

[RevDawg]

That would be 2009 1st and 3rd round picks they would get, right?

They would be '08 picks, to my knowledge.

Even if he is signed after the draft? Of course not.I don't know. Can anyone confirm that they would get 2008 picks if he is signed by a team before the draft with a link?

Well of course it wouldnt' be '08 picks if he signs after the draft.

The Ricky Manning Jr. example here looks like it is the same year's draft if he signs before the draft.

 

[vandyt]

That would be 2009 1st and 3rd round picks they would get, right?

I would assume so. Otherwise you could trade for the 31st pick in the 1st round, and the last pick in the 3rd round, then go grab a RFA. I also assume you have to own your picks for 2009 also. I'm sure someone can verify this.

No, you cannot. If you sign a Franchise Player or Restricted Free Agent to an offer sheet that would require draft pick compensation, you must give that team a pick in the required round that is equal to or better than the pick you were assigned based on your record.For example, if Miami wanted to sign Derek Anderson, they MUST own the #1 pick and give it to the Browns. If they traded picks with St. Louis, and then owned the #2 pick, they would not be able to sign Anderson to an offer sheet.

A team like Cincinnati, who owns the #9 pick, must own a pick that is either #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or 9 to be able to sign Anderson to an offer sheet. If they traded down with Buffalo, at #11, they would not be able to sign Anderson to an offer sheet. If they traded up to #3 with Atlanta, the Bengals would be able to sign Anderson to an offer sheet, and would be requried to give up the #3 pick if Anderson signed the offersheet and the Browns did not match it.

HOWEVER, if Miami traded down to say, #3 with Atlanta, Miami would still be able to TRADE for Derek Anderson, by sending the #3 pick(or whatever compensation they negotiate with the Browns) to the Browns.

Hope that helps.

 

[Lab]

That would be 2009 1st and 3rd round picks they would get, right?

They would be '08 picks, to my knowledge.

Even if he is signed after the draft? Of course not.I don't know. Can anyone confirm that they would get 2008 picks if he is signed by a team before the draft with a link?

I thought I read somewhere that the RFA period closes sometime in late April, in other words before the May 2008 draft. Therefore, the draft picks Cleveland would be getting are for 2008. I really am not sure though. I am sure there is someone in this forum that knows these rules backward and forward and can explain it to us.EDIT: Here are dates I found with a quick search ... not sure if this answers the question.April 18: Signing period ends for restricted free agents.April 25: Deadline for old club to exercise right of first refusal to restricted free agents.June 1: Deadline "for old clubs to send tender to unsigned restricted free agents or to extend qualifying offer to retain exclusive negotiating rights."June 15: Deadline "for old clubs to withdraw original qualifying offer to unsigned restricted free agents and still retain exclusive negotiating rights by substituting tender of 110 percent of previous year's salary."

 

[wadegarrett]

Why losing Derek Anderson is not such a bad thing

by Tony Grossi

Cleveland.com

Thursday February 28, 2008

Phil Savage believes that if Derek Anderson does not accept the Browns' three-year contract offer by midnight tonight, he will sign with another team in free agency.

The Browns' general manager believes that Anderson and his agents must have a suitor hiding in the weeds for them to decline the club's offer of $10 million guaranteed.

If Savage is correct, then the Browns would maximize this situation to the fullest extent. They would have executed the perfect exit strategy from a situation that has quarterback controversy written all over it.

They would have collected first- and third-round draft picks and handed the offensive reins to Brady Quinn. That, in my opinion, is better than having Anderson and Quinn return next year to "compete" for the starting job.

But which team would make such an enormous investment in Anderson?

Not only are there the draft picks to give up, but any team signing him in free agency would have to commit to a much bigger deal than the Browns' reported $20 million over three years. It would be closer to the Tony Romo deal of six years for $68 million, with over $20 million guaranteed.

Based on Savage's analysis, yes, there is a team out there willing to do it.

Incredible.

Of course, such a mega-deal would be the best thing for Anderson. And it would be the best thing for the Browns, too.

 

[Moniker]

That would be 2009 1st and 3rd round picks they would get, right?

They would be '08 picks, to my knowledge.

Even if he is signed after the draft? Of course not.I don't know. Can anyone confirm that they would get 2008 picks if he is signed by a team before the draft with a link?

I thought I read somewhere that the RFA period closes sometime in late April, in other words before the May 2008 draft. Therefore, the draft picks Cleveland would be getting are for 2008. I really am not sure though. I am sure there is someone in this forum that knows these rules backward and forward and can explain it to us.

RFA period ends April 25th. The draft is April 26th. The draft picks for DA signing an offer sheet with another team would be 2008 picks.Hope that helps.

 

[DarabZarrabi]

Browns are playing this very smart I'm impressed. Anderson had all the stars align for him. They played a cake schedule, he has a pro bowl caliber pass catching TE and WR, and one of the best O-lines in the league that gave him all day to stand back and make throws. He often made bad throws/decisions and lets not lose sight of the fact that he didnt get them into the playoffs at the end of the year. I think if he comes back for the Browns this year either one of two outcomes will arise:

a) teams will have figured him out, bring pressure at him, and he will have a lot of trouble/throw INTs and eventually be replaced by Quinn

b) he builds upon his strong year and cements himself as a franchise qb

I dont really feel like there is a middle ground with this guy, he has the tools to be a good qb, but his decision making and other factors are what have plagued him since college and if he can correct those he will be very good...if not bye bye and hello brady

 

[garyd]

The pinned thread for important 2008 off season dates has all the RFA activity deadlines before the draft, so looks to me like this will all be based on 2008 draft picks.

 

[JKL]

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/15439609/detail.html

The Browns have tendered Anderson a one-year offer, and he would receive $2.5 million if he didn't accept another contract.

Savage said if Anderson doesn't take their three-year deal, the quarterback must think he will get an offer from another team.

I don't know if this is true. They may hope to get an offer this season, but even if not, taking the restricted free agent money and becoming an unrestricted free agent in one season at age 25 may be reasonable, if you can stomach delaying payment. Consider that Trent Green got about 6 million this season, coming off a serious concussion and at an advanced age. And I'm sure the contract has a higher average than 6 per. Garcia got about 5 million for this year. Guys like Harrington and Huard got about 4 million. Josh McCown about 2 million. If guys who have never sniffed a season, or guys over age 35, are signing deals at those levels, Anderson would command more on the open market Schaub's deal was for 6 years, 48 million, and that is a low end estimate on the market (if it were open) right now.

Here are some scenarios, if he doesn't sign the 3 year deal:

1) he suffers a serious injury, serious enough to end his career. Odds pretty small, but could happen.

2) he starts the year for the Browns, gets off to a hot start, and the Browns negotiate a long term deal next season, one that will be for substantially more than 3/20;

3) same as above, but they can't reach agreement, and they franchise him at the average of the top 5 qbs

4) he starts most of the year and plays just okay next year, but not to the point where the Browns want to sign him long term or franchise him. He then hits the open market and would likely get a deal closer to Schaub's than the 3/20.

5) he loses out to Brady Quinn, and Quinn starts all year and plays about as well as Anderson last year. The Browns don't resign him, and again, he hits the open market, and signs a fairly sizeable deal.

6) he plays bad, gets benched. Unless its Ryan Leaf bad, he would still likely get a deal better than, or at least similar to 3/20.

On the other hand, if he signs the deal, and plays lights out, he is under market value for 3 seasons. If he plays okay or gets benched for Quinn after one season, he sits for two, and his value goes down tremendously over time. The only scenario he "wins" by taking the deal is if he gets hurt, then he gets the 10 million in guaranteed instead of the 2.5 million.

Basically, he can make alot of money next year, but I don't think he is going to lose out on a lot of money compared to what the Browns are offering, if he were to lose reps to Quinn. His 2007 season will still be fresh, and when guys who have never accomplished much are commanding in the 3-4 million range, Anderson's worst case scenario is what he is being offered now, and his best case scenario is a Romo type deal or even better.

Plus, he does get to see if any team is willing to give up a first and a third. Parcells likes him, but is not giving up the first overall, plus a third. Some of the teams in the mid-first that could address quarterback and throw in a third are Minnesota, Chicago, Detroit, and Carolina. The Jets and Ravens may be too high to consider it. I don't know if any will, but they would have incentive to at least consider it, if they would otherwise use the pick on an unproven quarterback in the first round.

 

[Jason Wood]

So, do the Phish take Ryan or the proven Anderson ?

I would be very careful calling Anderson "proven."Look at his quarterly trends last year...they are terrifying:*** First 4 Games: 241 yards, 52.6% completion, 2.25 TDs, 1.75 INTs*** Next 4 Games: 286 yards, 61.7% completion, 2.00 TDs, 2.75 INTs*** Next 4 Games: 239 yards, 57.0% completion, 1.75 TDs, 2.33 INTs*** Last 4 Games: 182 yards, 53.7% completion, 1.25 TDs, 1.5 INTsBasically he had a four week stretch where he looked like an above average starter and, even then, he turned the ball over a lot. If I were Anderson, I would take that 3-year, $20mm deal and run.

 

[Couch Potato]

When we look back on this in the next few years it'll become evident that Anderson and his agent got too greedy based on one good year, and really blew it. He should have taken the 3 year deal.

 

[JKL]

So, do the Phish take Ryan or the proven Anderson ?

I would be very careful calling Anderson "proven."Look at his quarterly trends last year...they are terrifying:*** First 4 Games: 241 yards, 52.6% completion, 2.25 TDs, 1.75 INTs*** Next 4 Games: 286 yards, 61.7% completion, 2.00 TDs, 2.75 INTs*** Next 4 Games: 239 yards, 57.0% completion, 1.75 TDs, 2.33 INTs*** Last 4 Games: 182 yards, 53.7% completion, 1.25 TDs, 1.5 INTsBasically he had a four week stretch where he looked like an above average starter and, even then, he turned the ball over a lot. If I were Anderson, I would take that 3-year, $20mm deal and run.

Those numbers cannot be right. Anderson did not throw 33 interceptions.

 

[Jason Wood]

So, do the Phish take Ryan or the proven Anderson ?

I would be very careful calling Anderson "proven."Look at his quarterly trends last year...they are terrifying:

*** First 4 Games: 241 yards, 52.6% completion, 2.25 TDs, 1.75 INTs

*** Next 4 Games: 286 yards, 61.7% completion, 2.00 TDs, 2.75 INTs

*** Next 4 Games: 239 yards, 57.0% completion, 1.75 TDs, 2.33 INTs

*** Last 4 Games: 182 yards, 53.7% completion, 1.25 TDs, 1.5 INTs

Basically he had a four week stretch where he looked like an above average starter and, even then, he turned the ball over a lot. If I were Anderson, I would take that 3-year, $20mm deal and run.

Those numbers cannot be right. Anderson did not throw 33 interceptions.

DOH!Database query error...definitely not right, MY BAD!

*** First 4 Games: 241 yards, 52.6% completion, 2.25 TDs, 1.25 INTs

*** Next 4 Games: 286 yards, 61.7% completion, 2.00 TDs, 1.00 INTs

*** Next 4 Games: 239 yards, 57.0% completion, 1.75 TDs, 1.00 INTs

*** Last 4 Games: 182 yards, 53.7% completion, 1.25 TDs, 1.50 INTs

The turnover picture is normalized, but the other numbers were accurate. Still paints a very uninspiring picture for a guy that teams would consider investing long-term in.

 

[Andy Herron]

But which team would make such an enormous investment in Anderson?

Not only are there the draft picks to give up, but any team signing him in free agency would have to commit to a much bigger deal than the Browns' reported $20 million over three years. It would be closer to the Tony Romo deal of six years for $68 million, with over $20 million guaranteed.

Based on Savage's analysis, yes, there is a team out there willing to do it.

Atlanta, Baltimore and Detroit to name a few.I'd favor Atlanta.

 

[Jason Wood]

But which team would make such an enormous investment in Anderson? Not only are there the draft picks to give up, but any team signing him in free agency would have to commit to a much bigger deal than the Browns' reported $20 million over three years. It would be closer to the Tony Romo deal of six years for $68 million, with over $20 million guaranteed.Based on Savage's analysis, yes, there is a team out there willing to do it.

Atlanta, Baltimore and Detroit to name a few.I'd favor Atlanta.

Any team willing to commit Tony Romo money to Derek Anderson should be forcibly removed from the league. Seriously.

 

[Andy Herron]

But which team would make such an enormous investment in Anderson? Not only are there the draft picks to give up, but any team signing him in free agency would have to commit to a much bigger deal than the Browns' reported $20 million over three years. It would be closer to the Tony Romo deal of six years for $68 million, with over $20 million guaranteed.Based on Savage's analysis, yes, there is a team out there willing to do it.

Atlanta, Baltimore and Detroit to name a few.I'd favor Atlanta.

Any team willing to commit Tony Romo money to Derek Anderson should be forcibly removed from the league. Seriously.

It wouldn't be the first time such a move was made, regarding committing significant money to such a player.It's more about market price than sheer value. Players get contracts beyond their worth every year. Maybe he stays for another year in Cleveland, who knows?

 

[JKL]

So, do the Phish take Ryan or the proven Anderson ?

I would be very careful calling Anderson "proven."Look at his quarterly trends last year...they are terrifying:

*** First 4 Games: 241 yards, 52.6% completion, 2.25 TDs, 1.75 INTs

*** Next 4 Games: 286 yards, 61.7% completion, 2.00 TDs, 2.75 INTs

*** Next 4 Games: 239 yards, 57.0% completion, 1.75 TDs, 2.33 INTs

*** Last 4 Games: 182 yards, 53.7% completion, 1.25 TDs, 1.5 INTs

Basically he had a four week stretch where he looked like an above average starter and, even then, he turned the ball over a lot. If I were Anderson, I would take that 3-year, $20mm deal and run.

Those numbers cannot be right. Anderson did not throw 33 interceptions.

DOH!Database query error...definitely not right, MY BAD!

*** First 4 Games: 241 yards, 52.6% completion, 2.25 TDs, 1.25 INTs

*** Next 4 Games: 286 yards, 61.7% completion, 2.00 TDs, 1.00 INTs

*** Next 4 Games: 239 yards, 57.0% completion, 1.75 TDs, 1.00 INTs

*** Last 4 Games: 182 yards, 53.7% completion, 1.25 TDs, 1.50 INTs

The turnover picture is normalized, but the other numbers were accurate. Still paints a very uninspiring picture for a guy that teams would consider investing long-term in.

I don't interpret those numbers that way at all. The only question is whether the last 4 games means something other than he had a) played in bad weather, and b) had one 4 interception game in that stretch. Is he less likely to improve than other 24 year olds because of how he finished? What would you do with this 24 year old? Clearly, he is regressing by season's end after a hot middle of the season, in his first year at the starter.

*** First 3 Games: 100 yards, 52.6% completion, 0.00 TDs, 0.00 INTs

*** Next 4 Games: 255 yards, 66.4% completion, 2.50 TDs, 1.00 INTs

*** Next 4 Games: 191 yards, 71.6% completion, 1.50 TDs, 0.75 INTs

*** Last 4 Games: 190 yards, 59.4% completion, 0.50 TDs, 1.25 INTs

 

[Bracie Smathers]

FOUR TEAMS INTERESTED. Update on DA via Browns GM Phil Savage. Go to the link for the full story.

http://cle.scout.com/2/732943.html

BEREA -

... “We’d like to have a little lead time going into free agency,” Savage said. “I’d say if Derek wants to stay with the Browns, we want him to.

“However, if he wants to explore opportunities, he can do that,” he said. “We’ve put a strong offer out there, but if he wants to do something else, that’s his prerogative. We’re in a good situation either way.”

Savage did say that he would not take less than a first-round and third-round choice for Anderson.

“We’re not going to take less than what is on the sheet of paper,” he said. “We value the player.”

Savage says he would prefer to keep Anderson, but feels whatever plays out will be a positive.

“It’s a win-win situation,” he said. “Our first priority is to get him back with Jamal (Lewis). But if it doesn’t work out, we will have additional money to get players and additional draft choices. We’ve put an offer out there that we feel will satisfy both parties.”

... There are reports that there are four teams are interested in giving up a first- and third-round choice for Anderson. Those teams are believed to be the Panthers, Bears, Lions and Buccaneers. The teams draft 13th, 14th, 15th and 20th, respectively in the first round.

... If Anderson does choose to move on, Savage said he’s ready to turn the reigns over to Brady Quinn.

“In terms of Brady coming in, it’s a pretty good cockpit for a quarterback to be in,” he said. “I think he’s become a better passer. He’s an accurate thrower. There’s a definite comfort level for him. The mental part is probably going to be his best asset. He has all the ingredients to be successful.”

If Anderson doesn’t sign before the free agency starts, he might wait a few days to see if he gets any better offers and then come back and sign with the Browns. Another possibility is for him to play the season with the one-year contract and become a free agent after the 2008 season.

“If (Anderson) would walk away from our deal, there must be an indication that something else is out there,” Savage said. “Our position has always been to try and keep both quarterbacks as long as we can.”

 

[wadegarrett]

FOUR TEAMS INTERESTED. Update on DA via Browns GM Phil Savage. Go to the link for the full story.

http://cle.scout.com/2/732943.html

... There are reports that there are four teams are interested in giving up a first- and third-round choice for Anderson. Those teams are believed to be the Panthers, Bears, Lions and Buccaneers.

I'm highly skeptical of the theory that there is an NFL team out there willing to give up a 1st & 3rd AND $20 million guaranteed for a former 6th round pick who the Browns picked up on waivers AND was a back-up to one of the sorriest NFL QB's I have ever seen until he was forced into action last year.I just don't see it.

 

[The Man With No Name]

It would be nice if a team signs him and gives up a 1st and 3rd. They had an easy schedule last season, and what looks like a very tough one this season. It will give Quinn the chance he should get after being a 1st round draft pick. No matter who the qb is, I don't like their chances this season to win more than 8 or 9. Of course that thought could change after free agency and the draft, especially if they get a 1st and another 3rd. Defense, Defense, Defense.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

FOUR TEAMS INTERESTED. Update on DA via Browns GM Phil Savage. Go to the link for the full story.

http://cle.scout.com/2/732943.html

... There are reports that there are four teams are interested in giving up a first- and third-round choice for Anderson. Those teams are believed to be the Panthers, Bears, Lions and Buccaneers.

I'm highly skeptical of the theory that there is an NFL team out there willing to give up a 1st & 3rd AND $20 million guaranteed for a former 6th round pick who the Browns picked up on waivers AND was a back-up to one of the sorriest NFL QB's I have ever seen until he was forced into action last year.I just don't see it.

Where the hell are you getting $20 million gauranteed from?

 

[wadegarrett]

FOUR TEAMS INTERESTED. Update on DA via Browns GM Phil Savage. Go to the link for the full story.

http://cle.scout.com/2/732943.html

... There are reports that there are four teams are interested in giving up a first- and third-round choice for Anderson. Those teams are believed to be the Panthers, Bears, Lions and Buccaneers.

I'm highly skeptical of the theory that there is an NFL team out there willing to give up a 1st & 3rd AND $20 million guaranteed for a former 6th round pick who the Browns picked up on waivers AND was a back-up to one of the sorriest NFL QB's I have ever seen until he was forced into action last year.I just don't see it.

Where the hell are you getting $20 million gauranteed from?

It's a guess sparky. He's turning down $10 mill now.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

FOUR TEAMS INTERESTED. Update on DA via Browns GM Phil Savage. Go to the link for the full story.

http://cle.scout.com/2/732943.html

... There are reports that there are four teams are interested in giving up a first- and third-round choice for Anderson. Those teams are believed to be the Panthers, Bears, Lions and Buccaneers.

I'm highly skeptical of the theory that there is an NFL team out there willing to give up a 1st & 3rd AND $20 million guaranteed for a former 6th round pick who the Browns picked up on waivers AND was a back-up to one of the sorriest NFL QB's I have ever seen until he was forced into action last year.I just don't see it.

Where the hell are you getting $20 million gauranteed from?

It's a guess sparky. He's turning down $10 mill now.

Well Skippy, since he was offered $10 million guaranteed its a really bad guess on your part to toss out $20 million gauranteed.

 

[wadegarrett]

FOUR TEAMS INTERESTED. Update on DA via Browns GM Phil Savage. Go to the link for the full story.

http://cle.scout.com/2/732943.html

... There are reports that there are four teams are interested in giving up a first- and third-round choice for Anderson. Those teams are believed to be the Panthers, Bears, Lions and Buccaneers.

I'm highly skeptical of the theory that there is an NFL team out there willing to give up a 1st & 3rd AND $20 million guaranteed for a former 6th round pick who the Browns picked up on waivers AND was a back-up to one of the sorriest NFL QB's I have ever seen until he was forced into action last year.I just don't see it.

Where the hell are you getting $20 million gauranteed from?

It's a guess sparky. He's turning down $10 mill now.

Well Skippy, since he was offered $10 million guaranteed its a really bad guess on your part to toss out $20 million gauranteed.

Ok.

 

[Irish]

FOUR TEAMS INTERESTED. Update on DA via Browns GM Phil Savage. Go to the link for the full story.

http://cle.scout.com/2/732943.html

... There are reports that there are four teams are interested in giving up a first- and third-round choice for Anderson. Those teams are believed to be the Panthers, Bears, Lions and Buccaneers.

I'm highly skeptical of the theory that there is an NFL team out there willing to give up a 1st & 3rd AND $20 million guaranteed for a former 6th round pick who the Browns picked up on waivers AND was a back-up to one of the sorriest NFL QB's I have ever seen until he was forced into action last year.I just don't see it.

Where the hell are you getting $20 million gauranteed from?

It's a guess sparky. He's turning down $10 mill now.

Well Skippy, since he was offered $10 million guaranteed its a really bad guess on your part to toss out $20 million gauranteed.

Why do you feel it is a bad guess? Logic only says if his agent advises him to turn down $10 million in guaranteed money then obviously he has talked to teams and is getting higher numbers thrown around.

 

[Fallerjw]

But which team would make such an enormous investment in Anderson? Not only are there the draft picks to give up, but any team signing him in free agency would have to commit to a much bigger deal than the Browns' reported $20 million over three years. It would be closer to the Tony Romo deal of six years for $68 million, with over $20 million guaranteed.Based on Savage's analysis, yes, there is a team out there willing to do it.

Atlanta, Baltimore and Detroit to name a few.I'd favor Atlanta.

Any team willing to commit Tony Romo money to Derek Anderson should be forcibly removed from the league. Seriously.

Romo - 2006 - 26 years old2903 yards19 TD13 Int0 rushing TDDA - 2007 - 24 years old3787 yards29 TD19 Int 3 rushing TDI'm not the biggest DA fan. My postings on this issue should have made that clear. However, if any other team in the league had a 24 year old who put up the stats he did, that would have been a huge story in the league. That player would be "destined for stardom".

 

[cstu]

Yep, this is how top-15 dynasty QB's get treated.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

he's a modern day scott mitchell....

Take away the 11TDs and 1 INT in three games against St Louis, Cincy and Miami - and he had 18TDs and 18INTs behind a very good offensive line with a good load back and above average WRs and TE.

This guy is only worth a LOW 1st and 3rd rounder - if that.

 

[cstu]

But which team would make such an enormous investment in Anderson? Not only are there the draft picks to give up, but any team signing him in free agency would have to commit to a much bigger deal than the Browns' reported $20 million over three years. It would be closer to the Tony Romo deal of six years for $68 million, with over $20 million guaranteed.Based on Savage's analysis, yes, there is a team out there willing to do it.

Atlanta, Baltimore and Detroit to name a few.I'd favor Atlanta.

Any team willing to commit Tony Romo money to Derek Anderson should be forcibly removed from the league. Seriously.

Romo - 2006 - 26 years old2903 yards19 TD13 Int0 rushing TDDA - 2007 - 24 years old3787 yards29 TD19 Int 3 rushing TDI'm not the biggest DA fan. My postings on this issue should have made that clear. However, if any other team in the league had a 24 year old who put up the stats he did, that would have been a huge story in the league. That player would be "destined for stardom".

Bledsoe - 1996 - 24 years old4086 yards27 TD15 Int0 rushing TD

 

[Burning Sensation]

he's a modern day scott mitchell....Take away the 11TDs and 1 INT in three games against St Louis, Cincy and Miami - and he had 18TDs and 18INTs behind a very good offensive line with a good load back and above average WRs and TE.This guy is only worth a LOW 1st and 3rd rounder - if that.

Now take away the 5 TD's and 9 Int's against the Pats, Raiders and Bengals - and he has 24 TD's and 9 Int's, in only 12.5 games.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

But which team would make such an enormous investment in Anderson?

Not only are there the draft picks to give up, but any team signing him in free agency would have to commit to a much bigger deal than the Browns' reported $20 million over three years. It would be closer to the Tony Romo deal of six years for $68 million, with over $20 million guaranteed.

Based on Savage's analysis, yes, there is a team out there willing to do it.

Atlanta, Baltimore and Detroit to name a few.I'd favor Atlanta.

Any team willing to commit Tony Romo money to Derek Anderson should be forcibly removed from the league. Seriously.

Romo - 2006 - 26 years old2903 yards

19 TD

13 Int

0 rushing TD

DA - 2007 - 24 years old

3787 yards

29 TD

19 Int

3 rushing TD

I'm not the biggest DA fan. My postings on this issue should have made that clear. However, if any other team in the league had a 24 year old who put up the stats he did, that would have been a huge story in the league. That player would be "destined for stardom".

Sage Rosenfels anyone? Guess what the Texans want in return for their backup QB?http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

POSTED 9:20 p.m. EST, February 28, 2008

SAGE TALKS END

Judd Zulgad of the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports that talks between the Vikings and the Texans regarding a trade that would have sent quarterback Sage Rosenfels from Houston to Minnesota have ended.

The Vikings offered a third-round pick; the Texans wanted a second-round pick.

The Vikes could now pursue J.P. Losman, who has asked to be traded out of Buffalo.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2658#18 Sage Rosenfels | QB

Full Name: Sage Rosenfels

Born: March 6, 1978

Height: 6-4

Weight: 225 lbs. Age: 29

Experience: 7 years

Drafted: Year:2001 Round:4 Pick:14, Redskins

Career STATS

G CMP ATT PCT

26 235 388 60.6

YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT

2725 7.0 24 77 19 82.0

So if the Texans are asking a second round pick for a 29 year old backup then folks have got to begin to understand that Derek Anderson could easily go for a first and third.

 

[Fallerjw]

But which team would make such an enormous investment in Anderson? Not only are there the draft picks to give up, but any team signing him in free agency would have to commit to a much bigger deal than the Browns' reported $20 million over three years. It would be closer to the Tony Romo deal of six years for $68 million, with over $20 million guaranteed.Based on Savage's analysis, yes, there is a team out there willing to do it.

Atlanta, Baltimore and Detroit to name a few.I'd favor Atlanta.

Any team willing to commit Tony Romo money to Derek Anderson should be forcibly removed from the league. Seriously.

Romo - 2006 - 26 years old2903 yards19 TD13 Int0 rushing TDDA - 2007 - 24 years old3787 yards29 TD19 Int 3 rushing TDI'm not the biggest DA fan. My postings on this issue should have made that clear. However, if any other team in the league had a 24 year old who put up the stats he did, that would have been a huge story in the league. That player would be "destined for stardom".

Bledsoe - 1996 - 24 years old4086 yards27 TD15 Int0 rushing TD

I'm not sure what you're getting at?

 

[Bobcat10]

FOUR TEAMS INTERESTED. Update on DA via Browns GM Phil Savage. Go to the link for the full story.

http://cle.scout.com/2/732943.html

... There are reports that there are four teams are interested in giving up a first- and third-round choice for Anderson. Those teams are believed to be the Panthers, Bears, Lions and Buccaneers.

I'm highly skeptical of the theory that there is an NFL team out there willing to give up a 1st & 3rd AND $20 million guaranteed for a former 6th round pick who the Browns picked up on waivers AND was a back-up to one of the sorriest NFL QB's I have ever seen until he was forced into action last year.I just don't see it.

Where the hell are you getting $20 million gauranteed from?

It's a guess sparky. He's turning down $10 mill now.

Well Skippy, since he was offered $10 million guaranteed its a really bad guess on your part to toss out $20 million gauranteed.

 

[cstu]

But which team would make such an enormous investment in Anderson? Not only are there the draft picks to give up, but any team signing him in free agency would have to commit to a much bigger deal than the Browns' reported $20 million over three years. It would be closer to the Tony Romo deal of six years for $68 million, with over $20 million guaranteed.Based on Savage's analysis, yes, there is a team out there willing to do it.

Atlanta, Baltimore and Detroit to name a few.I'd favor Atlanta.

Any team willing to commit Tony Romo money to Derek Anderson should be forcibly removed from the league. Seriously.

Romo - 2006 - 26 years old2903 yards19 TD13 Int0 rushing TDDA - 2007 - 24 years old3787 yards29 TD19 Int 3 rushing TDI'm not the biggest DA fan. My postings on this issue should have made that clear. However, if any other team in the league had a 24 year old who put up the stats he did, that would have been a huge story in the league. That player would be "destined for stardom".

Bledsoe - 1996 - 24 years old4086 yards27 TD15 Int0 rushing TD

I'm not sure what you're getting at?

I expect DA's to fall off the way Bledsoe's did. The guy had a nice season but I don't think he's destined for stardom.

 

[Fallerjw]

But which team would make such an enormous investment in Anderson? Not only are there the draft picks to give up, but any team signing him in free agency would have to commit to a much bigger deal than the Browns' reported $20 million over three years. It would be closer to the Tony Romo deal of six years for $68 million, with over $20 million guaranteed.Based on Savage's analysis, yes, there is a team out there willing to do it.

Atlanta, Baltimore and Detroit to name a few.I'd favor Atlanta.

Any team willing to commit Tony Romo money to Derek Anderson should be forcibly removed from the league. Seriously.

Romo - 2006 - 26 years old2903 yards19 TD13 Int0 rushing TDDA - 2007 - 24 years old3787 yards29 TD19 Int 3 rushing TDI'm not the biggest DA fan. My postings on this issue should have made that clear. However, if any other team in the league had a 24 year old who put up the stats he did, that would have been a huge story in the league. That player would be "destined for stardom".

Bledsoe - 1996 - 24 years old4086 yards27 TD15 Int0 rushing TD

I'm not sure what you're getting at?

I expect DA's to fall off the way Bledsoe's did. The guy had a nice season but I don't think he's destined for stardom.

I don't think he is either. I'm just saying, if he played for another team, there would be more hype surrounding him.

 

[Burning Sensation]

But which team would make such an enormous investment in Anderson? Not only are there the draft picks to give up, but any team signing him in free agency would have to commit to a much bigger deal than the Browns' reported $20 million over three years. It would be closer to the Tony Romo deal of six years for $68 million, with over $20 million guaranteed.Based on Savage's analysis, yes, there is a team out there willing to do it.

Atlanta, Baltimore and Detroit to name a few.I'd favor Atlanta.

Any team willing to commit Tony Romo money to Derek Anderson should be forcibly removed from the league. Seriously.

Romo - 2006 - 26 years old2903 yards19 TD13 Int0 rushing TDDA - 2007 - 24 years old3787 yards29 TD19 Int 3 rushing TDI'm not the biggest DA fan. My postings on this issue should have made that clear. However, if any other team in the league had a 24 year old who put up the stats he did, that would have been a huge story in the league. That player would be "destined for stardom".

Bledsoe - 1996 - 24 years old4086 yards27 TD15 Int0 rushing TD

I'm not sure what you're getting at?

I expect DA's to fall off the way Bledsoe's did. The guy had a nice season but I don't think he's destined for stardom.

As an Anderson owner, i would be thrilled with seven seasons as a top 8 QB.