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matt jones

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Bruce Gradkowski has been impressing me to death! How did this guy go so low? Was amazing in Toldedo, posted back to back 70%+ passing seasons. He's got terrific mobility, he's smart, and he's a born leader. Starting to remind me of another quarterback that was drafted by the bucs (and a HoF now).

Chris Simms on the other hand has been sketchy at best. And outside of his last name he hasn't impressed me one time... Bruce Gradkowski has the tools to be a very special Quarterback and I think he'll be the best of this draft class (I think Cutler will be pretty good too).

I wish they'd give him a preseason start with the first string so to get a better look at him.

 
matt jones said:
Bruce Gradkowski has been impressing me to death! How did this guy go so low? Was amazing in Toldedo, posted back to back 70%+ passing seasons. He's got terrific mobility, he's smart, and he's a born leader. Starting to remind me of another quarterback that was drafted by the bucs (and a HoF now).Chris Simms on the other hand has been sketchy at best. And outside of his last name he hasn't impressed me one time... Bruce Gradkowski has the tools to be a very special Quarterback and I think he'll be the best of this draft class (I think Cutler will be pretty good too).I wish they'd give him a preseason start with the first string so to get a better look at him.
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Gruden hopes it's not for at least a couple of seasons of rooting on a healthy Simms from the sideline.
 
matt jones said:
Chris Simms on the other hand has been sketchy at best.
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Incorrect.
And outside of his last name he hasn't impressed me one time.
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You should try watching more.
Bruce Gradkowski has the tools to be a very special Quarterback and I think he'll be the best of this draft class (I think Cutler will be pretty good too).
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That would be nice, but sort of unlikely. Either way, it's Simms' team this year without question, and with any sort of success, it will be in the near future as well.
I wish they'd give him a preseason start with the first string so to get a better look at him.
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Absolutely zero chance of that happening, barring injury.
 
matt jones said:
Bruce Gradkowski has been impressing me to death! How did this guy go so low? Was amazing in Toldedo, posted back to back 70%+ passing seasons. He's got terrific mobility, he's smart, and he's a born leader. Starting to remind me of another quarterback that was drafted by the bucs (and a HoF now).Chris Simms on the other hand has been sketchy at best. And outside of his last name he hasn't impressed me one time... Bruce Gradkowski has the tools to be a very special Quarterback and I think he'll be the best of this draft class (I think Cutler will be pretty good too).I wish they'd give him a preseason start with the first string so to get a better look at him.
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Brady went late round and he a major success, so it's not out of the realm of possibilities. The only think that I would say is take what Gruden says w/ a pinch of salt. Gruden loves about any player on his roster and will boast about them so much, you get the feeling they are the second coming of the messiah!Though I would temper your expectations for him, at least for the immediate future. His job will be to hold a clipboard and learn.
 
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I'm not cutting on either QB btw, Kitna is a starting QB and Ramsey has a job and potential. I'm just saying Simms is that calibur of QB. I call it the C-Class, adequate enough, especially with the weapons and defense they have down there.

 
matt jones said:
I'm not cutting on either QB btw, Kitna is a starting QB and Ramsey has a job and potential. I'm just saying Simms is that calibur of QB. I call it the C-Class, adequate enough, especially with the weapons and defense they have down there.
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And you're basing this off of 9-10 career starts? Do you judge all quarterbacks that quickly?
 
Capella said:
matt jones said:
I'm not cutting on either QB btw, Kitna is a starting QB and Ramsey has a job and potential. I'm just saying Simms is that calibur of QB. I call it the C-Class, adequate enough, especially with the weapons and defense they have down there.
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And you're basing this off of 9-10 career starts? Do you judge all quarterbacks that quickly?
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Actually I do... Because from Elway to Manning you can see "it" even when they're struggling. You can see what the players do well and what they don't. Elway was a physical speciman on a bad team (most first round picks play on bad teams) Manning had a strong arm, was smart, and you saw him improve from game to game. Simms doesn't do anything great. Average arm, average mobility, average intellect, average everything. And he's not a leader. He doesn't seem to improve from week to week. Just sort of there. And without that last name I don't think he'd been a first day pick.
 
I saw a story the other day that the Bucs haven't approached Simms about a contract for next season (he will be a restricted FA).......I really think Gruden doesn't really care for Simms either.

 
I mean, when you watched Roethlisberger play (rookie year) he would find ways to move around in the pocket and rifle the ball to an open receiver. I think the bucs have just as much talent if not more than the steelers did... The point is you can tell when someone is talented, even if they struggle although roethlisberger did not. Simms just has no desirable qualities.

 
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I saw a story the other day that the Bucs haven't approached Simms about a contract for next season (he will be a restricted FA).......I really think Gruden doesn't really care for Simms either.
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Simms has no ceiling. He is what he is. That's fine you don't need a stud QB to win the superbowl, I think Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson have shown that. Atleast they have some fire in them and aren't afraid to get after guys.
 
matt jones said:
Average arm, average mobility, average intellect, average everything. And he's not a leader. He doesn't seem to improve from week to week.
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:lmao: :lmao: This is all so very wrong that I'm not even going to address it (except for the average mobility).good luck guy :bye:
 
undercover said:
I saw a story the other day that the Bucs haven't approached Simms about a contract for next season (he will be a restricted FA).......I really think Gruden doesn't really care for Simms either.
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Why would they? He'll be a restricted FA, they have matching rights. He's only played a handful of career games, they want to see what they have first. Come on people.
 
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No it's positively correct and I know it's you Phil Simms...
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Saying he has an average arm and average intellect shows a pretty stunning lack of any football knowledge. But again, good luck, I don't care enough to try and change your opinion.
 
No he has an average arm and average intellect and he's a pretty average player. I suggest you just hop into your rocket car and fly away Mr. Simms.

 
Capella said:
undercover said:
I saw a story the other day that the Bucs haven't approached Simms about a contract for next season (he will be a restricted FA).......I really think Gruden doesn't really care for Simms either.
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Why would they? He'll be a restricted FA, they have matching rights. He's only played a handful of career games, they want to see what they have first. Come on people.
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Now you know how I feel when people clamor for Gerrard to be the starter over Leftwich. :confused: Its frustrating to be a :homer: when casual fans act like theyre the GM.
 
Simms is an ok starter. He still has alot to learn. Looks lost at time but he has had limited playing time. We will find out alot this season. I see an improvement for 06. Is he going to be one of the greats? No but alot of them never win the big one. It could be in his future,never know. But he is better than some want to admit. He is a better Pro than he was in college

 
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Let me rephrase it, he reminds me of Jon Kitna minus the passion. Or I guess a weaker armed Patrick Ramsey.
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If you're referring to Patrick Ransey,I would dump him in a New York second for Gradkowski.I'm contemplating dumping Grossmanfor Gradkowski in my dynasty league.
 
My favorite part of this bait-laden thread was when matt jones opined "most first round picks play for bad teams" in post #11.

 
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Boy this is really funny, I disagree with most of what's been posted about Sims, both for and against. I like him as a QB and think he has alot of potential. Good arm and above average intellect for a guy his age. He has a ton of heart.

I also think that Gradkowski has looked great in Preseason games too, but I'm not ready to make a rookie from Toledo my #1 QB as a head coach unless #1 I know my team sucks and I'm developing him for next year. #2 My team is great and Tommy Maddox is my starter. I think Gruden can afford to develop the Toledo kid for a while.

Why is it any time a rookie does good in camp, everyone trys to make it out like the starter sucks?

 
I so wanted the Steelers to take the local boy Gradkowski in the draft. They could have gotten him in the 5th but instead they spent a 4th on another MAC QB Omar Jacobs. It is still way early but it looks like they might have taken the wrong guy.

The weird thing is that Gradkowski had been training at the Pitt facilities right next door to the Steelers so I am sure they got a really good look at him.

 
Capella said:
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Boy this is really funny, I disagree with most of what's been posted about Sims, both for and against.
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That doesn't really make any sense.
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I think I didn't post anything about th guys that were for Simms."Is he going to be one of the greats? No but alot of them never win the big one. It could be in his future,never know. But he is better than some want to admit."He has the brains of Brady and the heart of Farve, if they can do it, he can. I'm not saying he will. but the pontential is there and I haven't seen anything to say he can't be great."I think in Dynasty, Simms is a top-12 QB and I can't stand the guy..." I can't put him top 12 for sure, but I like the guy."Also somebody was talking about all the talent that TB has, I still think that the sophmore slump could hit them at WR which could really hurt Simms.I hope that makes more sense.
 
I've said before that Simms has never really impressed me, but I know from previous posts that he has impressed Capella. I think there's almost no chance Gradkowski takes over this season, but it's within reason that Simms is not the QB of the future there and if that's the case, Gradkowski has an excellent chance to be the man there sooner rather than later.

Even before preseason began, I was touting Gradkowski's fit with a Gruden offense and his efforts in recent games have only solidified those feelings for me.

Still, don't expect anything this season from the guy.

 
Mort said he's the best QB he saw in camp. Does this mean anything? Like if he were at your draft, perhaps taking Simms in Round 1 or 2?

I don't think many care for Chris Simms, but he's the best they've got & unless he's absolutely terrible, he should be their QB of the future.

I'd love to see Matt Schaub in Tampa after the season.

 
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After the 2003-4 draft fiascos, both Gruden and Allen have said they aren't trading high draft picks any time soon.

Take into account all the time invested in Simms, Gradkowski having a promising future and the fact they'd be trading a #1 pick to a DIVISION FREAKING RIVAL and you can go ahead and forget that one.

 
Armando said:
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I'd love to see Matt Schaub in Tampa after the season.
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Do you think Gruden will give up a 1st rounder for Schaub?
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Would I? If I'm not in the Quinn sweepstakes, sure.Will he? No. You never know however if the asking price will always be a #1 for Schaub....sooner or later they'll want to get something for him.
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McKay has already said that Schaub gets a 1st round tender next year. So for Gruden to get Schaub next season, it'll take a 1st rounder, or the equivalent.
 
Capella said:
After the 2003-4 draft fiascos, both Gruden and Allen have said they aren't trading high draft picks any time soon.

Take into account all the time invested in Simms, Gradkowski having a promising future and the fact they'd be trading a #1 pick to a DIVISION FREAKING RIVAL and you can go ahead and forget that one.
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That makes perfect sense Capella.
 
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I'd love to see Matt Schaub in Tampa after the season.
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Do you think Gruden will give up a 1st rounder for Schaub?
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Would I? If I'm not in the Quinn sweepstakes, sure.Will he? No. You never know however if the asking price will always be a #1 for Schaub....sooner or later they'll want to get something for him.
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McKay has already said that Schaub gets a 1st round tender next year. So for Gruden to get Schaub next season, it'll take a 1st rounder, or the equivalent.
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I think they can accept less however, can't they? Didn't the Niners do likewise with Brandon Lloyd? Sooner or later, you come to realize you must get something for him.I think they're giving quite a bit of time to DJ Shockley this preseason (and not very much to Schaub) to see if he could be even an adequate replacement.
 
Armando said:
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I'd love to see Matt Schaub in Tampa after the season.
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Do you think Gruden will give up a 1st rounder for Schaub?
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Would I? If I'm not in the Quinn sweepstakes, sure.Will he? No. You never know however if the asking price will always be a #1 for Schaub....sooner or later they'll want to get something for him.
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McKay has already said that Schaub gets a 1st round tender next year. So for Gruden to get Schaub next season, it'll take a 1st rounder, or the equivalent.
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I think they can accept less however, can't they? Didn't the Niners do likewise with Brandon Lloyd? Sooner or later, you come to realize you must get something for him.I think they're giving quite a bit of time to DJ Shockley this preseason (and not very much to Schaub) to see if he could be even an adequate replacement.
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Yeah you're right, they could always accept less. But since they wouldn't take less than a 1st rounder for Schaub this year, I doubt they'll take less next year. Especially since McKay is going to tender him at the first round level.
 
Well time will tell Capella, and I will bump this thread either the end of this season or sometime next season when Gradkowski is the starter and Simms is the backup for some team.

 
matt jones said:
I suggest you just hop into your rocket car and fly away Mr. Simms.
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Statements like that just shoot down ANY possible value to anything you've said. It's pretty obvious you don't like Simms. We get it.I was starting to see if you had any reasoning for it, but you don't :thumbdown:
 
I don't hate simms... it's a joke I'm calling him Phil Simms since he's about the only one I've met on this board who thinks Chris Simms is a premiere QB... And the rocket car, because Phil Simms is rich. :/

Thumbs down yourself.

 
matt jones said:
I don't hate simms... it's a joke I'm calling him Phil Simms since he's about the only one I've met on this board who thinks Chris Simms is a premiere QB... And the rocket car, because Phil Simms is rich. :/Thumbs down yourself.
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You still don't get it :rolleyes:
 
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