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Why not? BOOBIE can save us
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Bryce Brown anything to see here? (1 Viewer)
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ourmanflint
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Why not? BOOBIE can save us
BustedKnuckles
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ill take the double digits from my flex
tdhartis
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MaxThreshold
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MaxThreshold
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Absolutely. I find it unexcusable that with 3 minutes to go Brown was out of the game and they had the plodder Dixon out there. What awful play calling in Buffalo. Bryce could have had so many more points tonight.
clock only stops out of bounds the last 2 minutes of first half and 5 minutes of 2nd half
ConnSKINS26
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johnnyboy8102
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Was a better flex option in PPR than Patterson to cover bye week issues.
SameSongNDance
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ahartig
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Holy hell in a hand basket. I had no clue. I have wondered this for ages. Thanks for the heads up.
buddhacwru
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He was fine in PPR. Got me 14.1 in Yahoo. Respectable not amazing. I still hate TNF though forcing us to make these tough choices on short rest.
Jerry Curl
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He got me 10.5 in my PPR. Sometimes you just need respectable to win, not amazing. Quite happy with the result.
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ourmanflint
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Its totally amazing that Marrone made his name in the NFL as the OC in NO. You would utterly never know it.
Jack White
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It is a head-scatcher indeed.
This rule has been in effect for many years.
But don't feel bad; a lot of players and announcers don't know the rule, either.
ATB
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theplayer11
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thought Brown was fine. Would have liked a few more carries. Doesn't make sense to give a plodder more carries. Brown can do so much more...just limits the chance of a big play every time Dixon was handed the ball. The targets were certainly there for Brown and no complaints with 7 catches, was just hoping for more yardage on those receptions. Miami played him well.
chad in Indy
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As much as I think Brown is better than Dixon, it's hard to blame either when they are forced to rotate every other play with no chance at getting in rythm. If that's the coaches strategy, why not alternate Orton/Manual based on the play called? (sarcasm)
msudaisy26
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Actually it makes perfect sense. Other than Sproles a few years ago, the Saints under Sean Payton usually misuse their running backs too!
spodog
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You think you hate it. Imagine how the NFL coaches feel heading into these games.
3 days is not enough time to travel, implement a game plan, and get these guys healed up enough to play at a high level.
The NFL will be keeping these Thursday games, so they need to find a way with scheduling to ensure that the majority of the teams asked to play on Thu night are coming off of a bye week.
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Chaka
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8 yards per reception is quite good for a RB.
But they clearly don't like him handling the ball too much on rushing attempts (might have something to do with losing yardage on 20% of his career carries).
But it is pretty clear that at best he will hold the accessory role to Freddy. Doubt he will see as much action as CJ did when both were healthy (it was about a 50:50 time share then).
Chaka
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Yet Fred managed to pull off 4.3 yards per carry and 8 yards per reception under the same circumstances.
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Fred managed to pull off a 2.0 ypc against the same team Brown played last night, and that was on more carries.
I like Fred, but Brown has looked good IMO. Poor usage/play calling, as well as facing some tough opponents, has more to do with it than his play.
chad in Indy
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I don't think it's fair to any RB to look at ypc when they get less than 10 carries. Outside of the one sweep that was blown up, Brown looked very good. He also had a 10+yd run called back on a weak holding call. For some reason or another, the Bills are reluctant to plant their flag in Brown as their future. I don't know if they are scared to being wrong on the trade or if he struggles in practice or what it is. He did have 2 subpar pass protection blocks that I recall, but they weren't outright wiffs.
I think Brown's physical skills make him an ideal 3 down back and would like to see him have the chance somewhere, or at least a couple games to be the lead back. I don't know why Buffalo didn't use the injuries to Spiller and Jax as a golden opportunity to roll the dice. Was the perfect chance for the coaches to try and at the same time be insulated from blowback. Best case scenario was that Brown blows up. Worst case, Brown stumbles, and the team uses the excuse of the injuries to Jax and Spiller. By not doing so, the team is going to be in a bad spot this off-season and guessing whether to let Spiller walk.
Chaka
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Excuses, excuses. Everyone loves the shiny new toy but the people who see him everyday 8n practice and know more about football than any of us apparently aren't as high on Brown as people in here are. And now it's two coaching staffs who view him as more of a COP back at best.
Huh? I don't "love" Brown, but I'm just pointing out that looking at the stat sheet is a pretty lazy way of analyzing how he played. If you're going to do that, at least be consistent and compare games against like opponents.
I also wouldn't defer to the mighty Doug Marrone regime, unless of course you think Spiller sucks too?
chad in Indy
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Which is exactly what I said regarding practice.
I don't know if its safe to say that the Eagles viewed him only as a COP guy. He filled in for McCoy when McCoy got hurt. Nobody expected him to supplant Shady. The Eagles got and took a good trade offer for him. That doesn't mean they only saw him as a COP.
I'd like to hear from beat writers or those with credible intel as to what is holding him back. That is all I was getting at. There has to be something the public isn't privy to, because baesd on his limited film, he passes the eyeball test. He's only 23 (same age as Kniles Davis), so he's got plenty of time to make his mark.
Chaka
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I don't think I addressed you specifically and I am looking at a body of work with the same team. How Miami was playing in September is not necessarily the same as how they are playing today.And while you may be dismissive of Doug Marrone, we're not just talking about him. Bottom line is Brown has been a weapon of last resort under multiple NFL coaches now. He runs real pretty but there may be some flaws in his game that we are not close enough to the situation to know or understand.
He was not the last resort under Andy Reid. He was the direct backup to one of the best RB's in the game.
Chip Kelly never seemed high on him but people forget they have a negative past history together which might have influenced that working relationship.
As for Marrone and that Bills coaching staff they were pretty clear with Spiller on what they did not like about this game, mainly that he was not a "see 3 yards and take 3 yards" type of runner but more of a bounce it outside runner which is exactly Brown's style and exactly not Dixon's. My guess is Marrone was not the one who wanted to acquire Brown.
Either way Brown has looked really good to me but I'd like him a lot more if the Bills fade down the stretch and the coaching staff is replaced.
I agree that how Miami was playing in September is not necessarily the same as how they are playing today, but you're the one who compared Fred's numbers and said "under the same circumstances". Obviously they weren't playing under the same circumstances, but playing the same team is as close as you're going to get.
I don't want to make it seem like I'm a huge Brown supporter, but he wasn't a weapon of last resort in Philly- he was their 2nd option behind McCoy for 2 years and got the start in every game he missed. I agree that he has flaws, but that doesn't mean he's viewed as a COP back at best either.
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Chaka
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Brown breaks off some nice runs, there is no denying that but clearly there is something about him, or his game, that we non NFL caliber coaches and talent evaluators are not aware of and whatever it is holds him down in the eyes of people who know more than us.
And remind me who he beat out in Phili under Reid? Dion Lewis and Chris Polk was it?
Chaka
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Why is it people only remember the two great games he had as a starter in 2012 and not the 12 for 6 or the 16 for 34 performances?humpback said:
I don't hate the guy but there needs to be some perspective on him.
And playing on the same team in the same system at the same position is about as granular as you should want to get when comparing two players over such a small sample size. Limiting it to one game each reduces the data points and increases variance far too much on what is a limited data set to begin with.
If Fred gets healthy (IF) he's the starter and Brown will probably fill the Spiller role but after what we have seen since Spiller and Fred wend down I don't see Brown getting the % of touches that Spiller got in that role.
Why is it people keep reading things that haven't been said? I never commented on his performances as a starter, I just mentioned that he was the starter when McCoy was out to show that he wasn't "a weapon of last resort"- he was the back-up RB (to one of the best RBs in the NFL). It doesn't mean he's great, but it's clear he wasn't the "last resort", or that they "view him as more of a COP back at best", as you wrote.
Like I said, looking at ypc to assess how someone played is flawed to begin with, but comparing a different number of data points under much different circumstances makes it even more irrelevant. Comparing their games against the one common opponent (or two, if you want to include at the KC game) is slightly less irrelevant. Neither is going to tell you much, so better to leave it out to begin with.
We don't know how it's going to be split, but that won't necessarily be an indication of his abilities regardless of what it is. This is the same staff that misused Spiller, Woods, Watkins, Williams, etc.
You may not hate him but it kind of comes across that way.
The Bills GM, an NFL caliber talent evaluator, clearly saw something in him to make a trade for him so the notion that they know something we don't is not exactly accurate.Chaka said:
I'm not debating who he beat out in Philly, not really the point. Point is he was the backup and not a last resort. I mean if we want to start knocking all backups for only beating out the current 3rd-4th string backs it would be a pretty long list. Don't see the point.
johnnyboy8102
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Brown was fine last night. He also got kick return yards which was a nice bonus in return yardage leagues.
Sarlakticacid
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Didn`t McCoy predict, last year, that Brown would be the starter in Buf at some point around now?
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The Man With No Name
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He will be a free agent next year
Maybe sooner. I've heard nothing yet about Fred not being brought back. I think Dixon plays more special teams, offers them something Fred and McCoy don't have in terms of a more physical style and he's got a history with the Greg Roman. Bryce is cheap but he also might be the 4th RB and he can return kicks but in general he's not much of a special teams performer. Those guys don't often stick on the roster. Combine that with fact his attitude might not be in sync with this role and he might get released or traded but they'd probably only get a 7th if they took this route and that won't be easy. He won't be a FA next week, but I think a decent chance he'll be free to shop around for a new team before the season starts.
At first yesterday I was pretty down on him after this news yesterday but more I think about it, the more I think a strong chance he won't return with the Bills.
And let's not forget before this trade he was not exactly getting a ringing endorsement from anyone. Whaley came out saying if they don't resign Spiller than RB was a definitive need. And I've been curious to know what he meant when he said that Bryce would get a "clean slate". I thought that could have meant two things. One was that Marrone never wanted him, that he was just a Whaley acquisition, and thus never got a real shot. That seems plausible since we heard Marrone was unhappy with some of Whaleys moves and Bryce did not seem like the "see three yards, get three yards" kind of back that Marrone seemed to favor. The other possible explanation was that Bryce had attitude issues or was not putting in the work they expected.
Bottom line is before that trade yesterday things were not exactly looking awesome for Bryce next year. As negative as this trade seems to his value, it might be the push that sets him free or puts him on a new team so it might end up actually saving his value next season.
