Bryce Brown anything to see here? (2 Viewers)

[msommer]

IMO you guys are over thinking this- the Bills are going to play the guys who they feel give them the best chance to win in 2014. The Pats ran Blount because he was very effective, not because they planned on letting him go or wanted to "save" Ridley.

I don't think the conditional pick figures into things much but I do believe that contracts figure into how teams plan to use players.

In the case of CJ Spiller the team is paying him top-five NFL RB money and last year they said they planned to 'run him till he pukes' which would align with the sort of salary they were paying him but he got injured and wasn't as effective down near the goal as F-Jax was and... well he simply wasn't producing enough to justify his salary.

F-Jax is running solidy, not fantastic but solidy but he will turn 35 in 2015 and he's making a pretty high salary for his age. So I think the Bills have absolutely nothing to lose by running them both hard this year. If either of them get injured they have Brown. If one blows up then they would re-sign them. If one or both under perform they can play hard ball in renegotiations.

I think contracts matter. Probably moreso in this particular situation than others since two good RBs are entering their contract years.

Its an interesting situation considering all of the variables but make no mistake, the contracts will be the key to who stays or goes next year. We know coaches don't look at contracts when drawing up game plans but the players certainly know they will have to run like their hair is on-fire to stay and get extensions.

Bottom-line. I think both CJ and F-Jax continue to start and both have extra-incentive to run hard. Add the coaches won't have the govenor on to keep them fresh by limiting carries. Likely at least one of them is gone next year which positions Bryce Brown well for 2015 and their is always the possibility he gets a shot this year but I think 2015 is his best shot.

The Bills will have nothing to lose except the most important thing- games. I agree that FJax and Spiller will have incentive to run hard and do well, but it's still going to come down to production. They aren't going to play more just because of their contract situation if they aren't producing on the field.

I think there were three reasons for the Bills trying to trade for another RB during the draft and ending up with Brown just after

1) Insurance against having no RBs with knowledge of the system when Jackson and Spillers contracts are up, to not overpay for said experience

2) Insurance against injury

3) To try for an upgrade. Remember this is not an exact science and Brown was not their first choice, Hyde was.

These all protect the team and improve it, regardless of the outcome of 2014 and the current salaries.

I also think the best two healthy RBs will take the vast majority of the snaps in 2014. And I think the Bills will do their best to resign Spiller next off season, provided he makes it through this season well.

As for Jackson, if he is still running strong in 2014, he stays as part of the two headed beast over Brown. But RBs don't age like good wine so the odds are stacked against him. Still a strong year combined with modest salary demands and Bryce might be left waiting in the wings in 2015.

But it's not what I expect.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Just saw this.

I hadn't thought of this and it would make sense if a team got hit with injures at RB in camp.

Not impossible but not likely right now but if some team does lose some backs ... ya never know but I thought it was interesting because for some reason this never entered my mind till I saw this a few minutes ago.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2129780-2014-nfl-training-camp-10-players-who-could-still-be-traded-during-camp

2014 NFL Training Camp: 10 Players Who Could Still Be Traded During Camp By Andrew Garda , Featured Columnist Jul 15, 2014With training camps about to begin, teams are taking a hard look at their rosters and deciding who is staying and who isn't.

Most of the time, players who aren't part of a team's short-term vision get cut, but sometimes they get traded.

We all know that an NFL trade is like a purple unicorn. You don't believe it when you hear about it, and you only buy in when someone produces the pelt.

Still, it happens on occasion, and sometimes teams see a guy they think will get cut and offer a pick or players to make sure they get him.

Here are 10 guys we think could be moved during training camp.

... Fred Jackson

With the addition of Bryce Brown and the presence of C.J. Spiller, the Buffalo Bills don't have a great need to keep Fred Jackson.

At 33 years old and in the final year of his contract, his value isn’t great overall, but he is an outstanding pass-blocker and can still run the ball very effectively.

Once a team sees some injuries or hits camp and finds out its backfield is unremarkable, it should attempt to pry Jackson from the Bills. They, in turn, could get some value for a player they will lose this offseason.

Again, it could be that we will only see this happen once injuries occur in camp, but Jackson is a running back who can still play and would be a good fit in the backfield for several teams.

 

[OC Zed]

Just saw this.

I hadn't thought of this and it would make sense if a team got hit with injures at RB in camp.

Not impossible but not likely right now but if some team does lose some backs ... ya never know but I thought it was interesting because for some reason this never entered my mind till I saw this a few minutes ago.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2129780-2014-nfl-training-camp-10-players-who-could-still-be-traded-during-camp

2014 NFL Training Camp: 10 Players Who Could Still Be Traded During Camp By Andrew Garda , Featured ColumnistJul 15, 2014With training camps about to begin, teams are taking a hard look at their rosters and deciding who is staying and who isn't.

Most of the time, players who aren't part of a team's short-term vision get cut, but sometimes they get traded.

We all know that an NFL trade is like a purple unicorn. You don't believe it when you hear about it, and you only buy in when someone produces the pelt.

Still, it happens on occasion, and sometimes teams see a guy they think will get cut and offer a pick or players to make sure they get him.

Here are 10 guys we think could be moved during training camp.

... Fred Jackson

With the addition of Bryce Brown and the presence of C.J. Spiller, the Buffalo Bills don't have a great need to keep Fred Jackson.

At 33 years old and in the final year of his contract, his value isn’t great overall, but he is an outstanding pass-blocker and can still run the ball very effectively.

Once a team sees some injuries or hits camp and finds out its backfield is unremarkable, it should attempt to pry Jackson from the Bills. They, in turn, could get some value for a player they will lose this offseason.

Again, it could be that we will only see this happen once injuries occur in camp, but Jackson is a running back who can still play and would be a good fit in the backfield for several teams.

I think there is zero chance that Fred Jackson gets traded during the preseason. He's been the leader of that locker room and the most popular player among the fans for several years now. It would gut the team chemistry and #### off a large number of fans (remember, this team hasn't sold out all of its games yet) all right before Week 1. It would be asinine.

From another team's perspective, you'd be looking to take on a fairly expensive and incredibly old, injury plagued RB. There's better value to be had elsewhere.

Spiller would be a much better candidate for a trade, although I don't think is likely either.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Just saw this.

I hadn't thought of this and it would make sense if a team got hit with injures at RB in camp.

Not impossible but not likely right now but if some team does lose some backs ... ya never know but I thought it was interesting because for some reason this never entered my mind till I saw this a few minutes ago.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2129780-2014-nfl-training-camp-10-players-who-could-still-be-traded-during-camp

2014 NFL Training Camp: 10 Players Who Could Still Be Traded During Camp By Andrew Garda , Featured ColumnistJul 15, 2014With training camps about to begin, teams are taking a hard look at their rosters and deciding who is staying and who isn't.

Most of the time, players who aren't part of a team's short-term vision get cut, but sometimes they get traded.

We all know that an NFL trade is like a purple unicorn. You don't believe it when you hear about it, and you only buy in when someone produces the pelt.

Still, it happens on occasion, and sometimes teams see a guy they think will get cut and offer a pick or players to make sure they get him.

Here are 10 guys we think could be moved during training camp.

... Fred Jackson

With the addition of Bryce Brown and the presence of C.J. Spiller, the Buffalo Bills don't have a great need to keep Fred Jackson.

At 33 years old and in the final year of his contract, his value isn’t great overall, but he is an outstanding pass-blocker and can still run the ball very effectively.

Once a team sees some injuries or hits camp and finds out its backfield is unremarkable, it should attempt to pry Jackson from the Bills. They, in turn, could get some value for a player they will lose this offseason.

Again, it could be that we will only see this happen once injuries occur in camp, but Jackson is a running back who can still play and would be a good fit in the backfield for several teams.

I think there is zero chance that Fred Jackson gets traded during the preseason. He's been the leader of that locker room and the most popular player among the fans for several years now. It would gut the team chemistry and #### off a large number of fans (remember, this team hasn't sold out all of its games yet) all right before Week 1. It would be asinine.

From another team's perspective, you'd be looking to take on a fairly expensive and incredibly old, injury plagued RB. There's better value to be had elsewhere.

Spiller would be a much better candidate for a trade, although I don't think is likely either.

Smile.

Last year I if people could put the chance that Trent Ricahardson would have been traded at less than zero then I am sure that would have been the consensus take. It would have been proven wrong but I'm sure no-one felt T-Rich would be traded before it happened last year.

As I said, I hadn't even thought of that till I saw the article also I stated that I feel its unlikedly to happen but you learn not to completely dismiss potential trades if the right circumstances pop-up.

The article framed reasonable circumstances that would make the ground fertile for that proposed trade to happen even if its unlikely especially if Bryce Brown tears it up in camp or preseason to make F-Jax expendable and if some team came calling. Unlikely right now but those circumstances are not unlikely to unfold.

 

[cloppbeast]

Last year I if people could put the chance that Trent Ricahardson would have been traded at less than zero then I am sure that would have been the consensus take. It would have been proven wrong but I'm sure no-one felt T-Rich would be traded before it happened last year.

As I said, I hadn't even thought of that till I saw the article also I stated that I feel its unlikedly to happen but you learn not to completely dismiss potential trades if the right circumstances pop-up.

The article framed reasonable circumstances that would make the ground fertile for that proposed trade to happen even if its unlikely especially if Bryce Brown tears it up in camp or preseason to make F-Jax expendable and if some team came calling. Unlikely right now but those circumstances are not unlikely to unfold.

Not impossible, but I call it very unlikely for Spiller to get traded. I wouldn't at all factor it as a possibility into Brown's value.

 

[ourmanflint]

Just saw this.

I hadn't thought of this and it would make sense if a team got hit with injures at RB in camp.

Not impossible but not likely right now but if some team does lose some backs ... ya never know but I thought it was interesting because for some reason this never entered my mind till I saw this a few minutes ago.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2129780-2014-nfl-training-camp-10-players-who-could-still-be-traded-during-camp

2014 NFL Training Camp: 10 Players Who Could Still Be Traded During Camp By Andrew Garda , Featured ColumnistJul 15, 2014With training camps about to begin, teams are taking a hard look at their rosters and deciding who is staying and who isn't.

Most of the time, players who aren't part of a team's short-term vision get cut, but sometimes they get traded.

We all know that an NFL trade is like a purple unicorn. You don't believe it when you hear about it, and you only buy in when someone produces the pelt.

Still, it happens on occasion, and sometimes teams see a guy they think will get cut and offer a pick or players to make sure they get him.

Here are 10 guys we think could be moved during training camp.

... Fred Jackson

With the addition of Bryce Brown and the presence of C.J. Spiller, the Buffalo Bills don't have a great need to keep Fred Jackson.

At 33 years old and in the final year of his contract, his value isn’t great overall, but he is an outstanding pass-blocker and can still run the ball very effectively.

Once a team sees some injuries or hits camp and finds out its backfield is unremarkable, it should attempt to pry Jackson from the Bills. They, in turn, could get some value for a player they will lose this offseason.

Again, it could be that we will only see this happen once injuries occur in camp, but Jackson is a running back who can still play and would be a good fit in the backfield for several teams.

I think there is zero chance that Fred Jackson gets traded during the preseason. He's been the leader of that locker room and the most popular player among the fans for several years now. It would gut the team chemistry and #### off a large number of fans (remember, this team hasn't sold out all of its games yet) all right before Week 1. It would be asinine.

From another team's perspective, you'd be looking to take on a fairly expensive and incredibly old, injury plagued RB. There's better value to be had elsewhere.

Spiller would be a much better candidate for a trade, although I don't think is likely either.

I'd say they need to do whatever helps them. He's been pretty good but he's also been the leader of the locker room of a machine that pumps out 6-10 seasons like a printing press.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Sports Illustrated's Peter King is making his annual training camp rounds to each NFL TC.

In today's MMQB collumn he gave his take on what he saw at the Bills camp. Strewn amongst the Sammy Watkins luv he found time to provide a brief mention of newly acquired Buffalo Bills RB Bryce Brown.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/07/21/buffalo-bills-training-camp-opens/5/

Monday Morning Quarterback

11 hours ago
Welcome to Camp Hope Five months after the Super Bowl ended, football is finally back ... well, sorta. Training camps are getting started this week, and optimism is high in all 32 locales—including Buffalo, where playoffs have only been a rumor since 1999... There were other reasons to be excited. Running back Bryce Brown, supposedly a spare part acquired in a trade with Philadelphia, ran like he had rockets in his shoes.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/22/five-questions-buffalo-bills/

Five questions: Buffalo BillsPosted by Mike Florio on July 22, 2014, 12:05 PM EDT

The PFT Preseason Power Rankings, which provide a context for looking at the changes made since last season, will be completed later today. (Spoiler alert: The Seahawks are No. 1.)

So let’s start something new, aimed at providing a template for discussion and debate about a team’s prospects for the upcoming season. For each team, I’ll ask and answer five questions for the 2014 campaign.

Hopefully, I won’t ask myself too many tough questions.

First up — the first team to camp in 2014.

2. Is Fred Jackson being phased out?

Speaking of ins and outs, running back Bryce Brown is in — and that could mean Fred Jackson will be out. With a $2.45 million base salary, he’ll have a spot on the roster barring something unforeseen. But will Jackson be part of a one-two punch with C.J. Spiller or that clunky third training wheel on a Spiller-Brown bicycle?

Brown, acquired from Philly after a reported effort to trade up for Ohio State tailback Carlos Hyde failed, has looked great so far in camp. If that continues, we could see a lot of Brown this year, and in turn a lot less (and eventually no) Jackson.

http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/11439/bills-camp-report-day-2

Bills Camp Report: Day 2

PITTSFORD, N.Y. -- A daily review of the hot topics coming out of Buffalo Bills training camp:

Speaking of height and speed, I've been impressed with Bryce Brown thus far in camp. The 6-foot running back has long legs and shows some burst getting into the second level. The Bills coveted Brown for more than a year before acquiring him in May. It remains to be seen how many carries the Bills can siphon from C.J. Spiller and Fred Jackson to Brown, but he adds depth to a backfield that didn't have much of it last season.

 

[Faust]

Bills Report: Watkins Wows, But in the End Its Up to E.J.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/07/21/bills-training-camp-report/

Excerpt:

1. Bryce Brown is a player the coaches like a lot. If you draft late, follow what the Bills do with the running back position late in camp. Could they move a back if a team comes knocking for oneBrown or Fred Jackson or maybe ex-Niner Anthony Dixon? I think so. This team plans to run it more than any team in the NFL this year, and I could see Brown, if he sticks, backing up C.J. Spiller.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I attempted to get Bryce Brown (I own Spiller and FJax) but his price is too high. Brown owner is holding him hostage, but I think I'll wait him out. His value I don't think will get any higher than now, based on the blurbs declaring him a potential 2015 starter. I'll buy Brown or attempt to when the price is right, or not at all.

I would definitely try to get Brown in your situation as well; he would have more value for you than anybody. What kind of price tag does he have in your league? I happily got him for a future 2nd, pairing him with Spiller also.

I tried to get him for this year's 3.01 pick. Brown owner never even acknowledged the offer, just saw it and kept on ingoring. I will try to offer a future 2nd like you suggest, but I don't know if the owner is just ignoring me or flaky or what his deal is. I prefer working with reasonable people. Don't like my offer, reject it and let me off the hook already. It's not hard.

It depends on how deep the league is and format, but IMO 3.01 is a pretty bad lowball offer for Brown. In typical formats, rookie 3rds are coin flips to even make decent rosters much of the time. To put it in perspective, I've had late 1sts turned down trying to get Brown -- and I don't think that's unreasonable on the part of the Brown owners. I wouldn't auto-accept a late 1st in the leagues where I do own him; it would depend on team need and who was available when the pick came up.

It's a deep, start 2 QB league. So QB's are very valuable and tend to bubble sort typical rookies down by a half round or more. Also thrown in the mix are some surprising waiver wire vets. One of them this year was Monte Ball. I don't think a rookie 3rd is such a bad offer. For perspective, I took Davante Adams there at 3.01.

How was Montee Ball on waivers in a deep dynasty league? Even if some one was shortsighted enough to drop him early in the season, how was he not picked up when he looked good down the stretch?

 

[zamboni]

I just hope Brown doesn't go off in training camp and that Fred and Spiller stay healthy in preseason.

It may just be hype right now for Brown, but sounds like he can be a very cheap lottery ticket in keeper/dynasty leagues. And with Fred another year older, it wouldn't surprise me to see him gradually lose more and more touches to Brown as the season progresses.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I attempted to get Bryce Brown (I own Spiller and FJax) but his price is too high. Brown owner is holding him hostage, but I think I'll wait him out. His value I don't think will get any higher than now, based on the blurbs declaring him a potential 2015 starter. I'll buy Brown or attempt to when the price is right, or not at all.

I would definitely try to get Brown in your situation as well; he would have more value for you than anybody. What kind of price tag does he have in your league? I happily got him for a future 2nd, pairing him with Spiller also.

I tried to get him for this year's 3.01 pick. Brown owner never even acknowledged the offer, just saw it and kept on ingoring. I will try to offer a future 2nd like you suggest, but I don't know if the owner is just ignoring me or flaky or what his deal is. I prefer working with reasonable people. Don't like my offer, reject it and let me off the hook already. It's not hard.

It depends on how deep the league is and format, but IMO 3.01 is a pretty bad lowball offer for Brown. In typical formats, rookie 3rds are coin flips to even make decent rosters much of the time. To put it in perspective, I've had late 1sts turned down trying to get Brown -- and I don't think that's unreasonable on the part of the Brown owners. I wouldn't auto-accept a late 1st in the leagues where I do own him; it would depend on team need and who was available when the pick came up.

It's a deep, start 2 QB league. So QB's are very valuable and tend to bubble sort typical rookies down by a half round or more. Also thrown in the mix are some surprising waiver wire vets. One of them this year was Monte Ball. I don't think a rookie 3rd is such a bad offer. For perspective, I took Davante Adams there at 3.01.

How was Montee Ball on waivers in a deep dynasty league? Even if some one was shortsighted enough to drop him early in the season, how was he not picked up when he looked good down the stretch?

I don't know. I bought into and inherited a team. Reading the bylaws it looks as if rosters lock prior to the playoffs and no offseason waivers are allowed. Wierd I know.

 

[Brewtown]

Bryce Brown RB | BUF

Bryce Brown off to a hot start

by Dave Richard | Senior Fantasy Writer

(July 22, 2014 9:56 AM EDT) Sammy Watkins might be getting most of the attention through the early days of Bills camp, but running back Bryce Brown has looked great so far. Acquired via trade from Philadelphia, Brown seems to like his change of scenery as he's shown off his burst getting into the second level of the defense according to ESPN. Adding hyperbole, TheMMQB.com says Brown looked as if he has "rockets in his shoes."

Brown is expected to at least serve as depth behind C.J. Spiller and Fred Jackson this season, but a strong camp and preseason could push him into a part-time role.

 

[Tanner9919]

Sports Illustrated's Peter King is making his annual training camp rounds to each NFL TC.

In today's MMQB collumn he gave his take on what he saw at the Bills camp. Strewn amongst the Sammy Watkins luv he found time to provide a brief mention of newly acquired Buffalo Bills RB Bryce Brown.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/07/21/buffalo-bills-training-camp-opens/5/

Monday Morning Quarterback

11 hours ago
Welcome to Camp Hope Five months after the Super Bowl ended, football is finally back ... well, sorta. Training camps are getting started this week, and optimism is high in all 32 locales—including Buffalo, where playoffs have only been a rumor since 1999... There were other reasons to be excited. Running back Bryce Brown, supposedly a spare part acquired in a trade with Philadelphia, ran like he had rockets in his shoes.

Careful with what you read coming from Peter King..he was the same guy who gushed, shouted it from the hilltops, blushed with a man-crush on Jared Cook last season - Cook wound up with a pedestrian 51 catches, 671 5 td.

“I think the single-best player we saw on our tour (of NFL training camps) was St. Louis tight end Jared Cook,” King wrote.

King said Cook’s catch radius is remarkable and wonders how the 6-foot-5, 250-pound tight end has not broken out yet.

“How he caught only 44 balls last year in Tennessee I’ll never know,” he said.

I like Brown this season, I think he'll have a big role if/when Spiller goes down(again)..but it worries me that Peter King also likes him..

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Sports Illustrated's Peter King is making his annual training camp rounds to each NFL TC.

In today's MMQB collumn he gave his take on what he saw at the Bills camp. Strewn amongst the Sammy Watkins luv he found time to provide a brief mention of newly acquired Buffalo Bills RB Bryce Brown.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/07/21/buffalo-bills-training-camp-opens/5/

Monday Morning Quarterback

11 hours agoWelcome to Camp Hope Five months after the Super Bowl ended, football is finally back ... well, sorta. Training camps are getting started this week, and optimism is high in all 32 localesincluding Buffalo, where playoffs have only been a rumor since 1999

... There were other reasons to be excited. Running back Bryce Brown, supposedly a spare part acquired in a trade with Philadelphia, ran like he had rockets in his shoes.

Careful with what you read coming from Peter King..he was the same guy who gushed, shouted it from the hilltops, blushed with a man-crush on Jared Cook last season - Cook wound up with a pedestrian 51 catches, 671 5 td.I think the single-best player we saw on our tour (of NFL training camps) was St. Louis tight end Jared Cook, King wrote.

King said Cooks catch radius is remarkable and wonders how the 6-foot-5, 250-pound tight end has not broken out yet.

How he caught only 44 balls last year in Tennessee Ill never know, he said.

I like Brown this season, I think he'll have a big role if/when Spiller goes down(again)..but it worries me that Peter King also likes him..

Again? Guy misses one game in 3 years and folks are predicting injuries? I wouldn't count on him getting injured. Even when hurt, he plays...

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Sports Illustrated's Peter King is making his annual training camp rounds to each NFL TC.

In today's MMQB collumn he gave his take on what he saw at the Bills camp. Strewn amongst the Sammy Watkins luv he found time to provide a brief mention of newly acquired Buffalo Bills RB Bryce Brown.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/07/21/buffalo-bills-training-camp-opens/5/

Monday Morning Quarterback

11 hours ago
Welcome to Camp Hope Five months after the Super Bowl ended, football is finally back ... well, sorta. Training camps are getting started this week, and optimism is high in all 32 locales—including Buffalo, where playoffs have only been a rumor since 1999... There were other reasons to be excited. Running back Bryce Brown, supposedly a spare part acquired in a trade with Philadelphia, ran like he had rockets in his shoes.

Come on. Nobody doubts Brown's speed and physical talent. His problems are vision, ball control, and generally adjusting to the play. He had very little organized football time before coming into the NFL. If he is working on his ball control and understanding of offense, then he could be something. There is little reason to be suddenly excited about him running fast.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Sports Illustrated's Peter King is making his annual training camp rounds to each NFL TC.

In today's MMQB collumn he gave his take on what he saw at the Bills camp. Strewn amongst the Sammy Watkins luv he found time to provide a brief mention of newly acquired Buffalo Bills RB Bryce Brown.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/07/21/buffalo-bills-training-camp-opens/5/

Monday Morning Quarterback

11 hours agoWelcome to Camp Hope Five months after the Super Bowl ended, football is finally back ... well, sorta. Training camps are getting started this week, and optimism is high in all 32 localesincluding Buffalo, where playoffs have only been a rumor since 1999

... There were other reasons to be excited. Running back Bryce Brown, supposedly a spare part acquired in a trade with Philadelphia, ran like he had rockets in his shoes.

Careful with what you read coming from Peter King..he was the same guy who gushed, shouted it from the hilltops, blushed with a man-crush on Jared Cook last season - Cook wound up with a pedestrian 51 catches, 671 5 td.I think the single-best player we saw on our tour (of NFL training camps) was St. Louis tight end Jared Cook, King wrote.

King said Cooks catch radius is remarkable and wonders how the 6-foot-5, 250-pound tight end has not broken out yet.

How he caught only 44 balls last year in Tennessee Ill never know, he said.

I like Brown this season, I think he'll have a big role if/when Spiller goes down(again)..but it worries me that Peter King also likes him..

Again? Guy misses one game in 3 years and folks are predicting injuries? I wouldn't count on him getting injured. Even when hurt, he plays...

He may have only missed 1 game, but he goes down/comes out of games a lot.

This Bills fan is targeting Brown this year. I have little confidence in Spiller.

 

[humpback]

Are we so starved for "information" that we're now re-posting the same blurb that was posted several days ago?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Retweeted by Jason La Canfora

Dave Richard@daverichard · 2h
Holy moly! Our guy @JasonLaCanfora thinks the Bills might be willing to trade C.J. Spiller before the season starts! http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24638260/bills-training-camp-sammy-watkins-a-star-will-he-make-ej-manuel-better …

 

[cloppbeast]

Retweeted by Jason La Canfora

Dave Richard@daverichard · 2h
Holy moly! Our guy @JasonLaCanfora thinks the Bills might be willing to trade C.J. Spiller before the season starts! http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24638260/bills-training-camp-sammy-watkins-a-star-will-he-make-ej-manuel-better …

As far as I know, La Confora didn't base this on any kind of inside information, but only offered his speculative opinion.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Retweeted by Jason La Canfora

Dave Richard@daverichard · 2h
Holy moly! Our guy @JasonLaCanfora thinks the Bills might be willing to trade C.J. Spiller before the season starts! http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24638260/bills-training-camp-sammy-watkins-a-star-will-he-make-ej-manuel-better …

wasnt there a rumor that Philly wanted to trade for Spiller or something?

Im sure if there was a good offer Buffalo would listen, hes a FA at year end (not sure if UFA or RFA)

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Retweeted by Jason La Canfora

Dave Richard@daverichard · 2h

Holy moly! Our guy @JasonLaCanfora thinks the Bills might be willing to trade C.J. Spiller before the season starts! http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24638260/bills-training-camp-sammy-watkins-a-star-will-he-make-ej-manuel-better

wasnt there a rumor that Philly wanted to trade for Spiller or something?Im sure if there was a good offer Buffalo would listen, hes a FA at year end (not sure if UFA or RFA)

He has a player option for next season (2015). No way he opts out of his current deal. He can make 12 million in 2015 if he hits all incentives.

 

[cstu]

Retweeted by Jason La Canfora

Dave Richard@daverichard · 2h

Holy moly! Our guy @JasonLaCanfora thinks the Bills might be willing to trade C.J. Spiller before the season starts! http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24638260/bills-training-camp-sammy-watkins-a-star-will-he-make-ej-manuel-better

wasnt there a rumor that Philly wanted to trade for Spiller or something?Im sure if there was a good offer Buffalo would listen, hes a FA at year end (not sure if UFA or RFA)

He has a player option for next season (2015). No way he opts out of his current deal. He can make 12 million in 2015 if he hits all incentives.

Everything I've read shows that he has a $2.2M player's option for 2015. Do you have a link to those incentives?

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Jason LaCanfora is possibly the biggest know-nothing with "insider" credentials in NFL reporting.

Like, he's so bad that I'm now expecting a 3-year extension for Spiller to be announced at any moment.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Retweeted by Jason La Canfora

Dave Richard@daverichard · 2h

Holy moly! Our guy @JasonLaCanfora thinks the Bills might be willing to trade C.J. Spiller before the season starts! http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24638260/bills-training-camp-sammy-watkins-a-star-will-he-make-ej-manuel-better

wasnt there a rumor that Philly wanted to trade for Spiller or something?Im sure if there was a good offer Buffalo would listen, hes a FA at year end (not sure if UFA or RFA)

He has a player option for next season (2015). No way he opts out of his current deal. He can make 12 million in 2015 if he hits all incentives.

Everything I've read shows that he has a $2.2M player's option for 2015. Do you have a link to those incentives?

"8/6/2010: Signed a six-year, $39.3 million contract. The deal contains $20.8 million guaranteed. Another $12.5 million is available through incentives, roughly $12 million of which are available in the final year. Spiller is eligible for an annual $250,000 workout bonus throughout the contract's life. 2014: $1,748,750, 2015: $2,196,663 (Player Option), 2016: Free Agent"

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5566/cj-spiller

 

[humpback]

Retweeted by Jason La Canfora

Dave Richard@daverichard · 2h

Holy moly! Our guy @JasonLaCanfora thinks the Bills might be willing to trade C.J. Spiller before the season starts! http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24638260/bills-training-camp-sammy-watkins-a-star-will-he-make-ej-manuel-better

wasnt there a rumor that Philly wanted to trade for Spiller or something?Im sure if there was a good offer Buffalo would listen, hes a FA at year end (not sure if UFA or RFA)

He has a player option for next season (2015). No way he opts out of his current deal. He can make 12 million in 2015 if he hits all incentives.

Everything I've read shows that he has a $2.2M player's option for 2015. Do you have a link to those incentives?

It's not very clear, but according to rotoworld (I've seen similar statements in articles when he signed):

8/6/2010: Signed a six-year, $39.3 million contract. The deal contains $20.8 million guaranteed. Another $12.5 million is available through incentives, roughly $12 million of which are available in the final year. Spiller is eligible for an annual $250,000 workout bonus throughout the contract's life. 2014: $1,748,750, 2015: $2,196,663 (Player Option), 2016: Free Agent

 

[eNdblu]

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Bills announced that RB Fred Jackson has signed a contract extension. True warrior.

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
#Bills RB Fred Jackson just signed a one-year extension worth $2.6M with $1M additional in incentives, source says.

Wonder how this affects the outlook of the Bills RB situation... Not as clear a path to starter touches next season for Bryce Brown? Or just additional insurance if they can't get a good enough deal w/ Spiller.

 

[OC Zed]

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Bills announced that RB Fred Jackson has signed a contract extension. True warrior.

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
#Bills RB Fred Jackson just signed a one-year extension worth $2.6M with $1M additional in incentives, source says.

Wonder how this affects the outlook of the Bills RB situation... Not as clear a path to starter touches next season for Bryce Brown? Or just additional insurance if they can't get a good enough deal w/ Spiller.

I'd still say that the biggest question mark next year for Brown will be whether Spiller stays with the team. I don't foresee Jackson getting a sizable number of touches in 2015.

 

[steveski]

I really don't get the Fred extension...

 

[Chaka]

I really don't get the Fred extension...

He produces, he's their best inside runner, perhaps their best receiver, they trust him and he put up 1,280 yards and 10 TDs last season with a 4.3 YPC and an 8.2 YPR. Aside from that I totally agree.

 

[Chaka]

Bryce Brown has lost yardage on 18% of his 190 carries, worst in the league over the last two seasons.

 

[steveski]

I really don't get the Fred extension...

He produces, he's their best inside runner, perhaps their best receiver, they trust him and he put up 1,280 yards and 10 TDs last season with a 4.3 YPC and an 8.2 YPR. Aside from that I totally agree.

And you expect him to do the same when he's 35?

 

[Chaka]

I really don't get the Fred extension...

He produces, he's their best inside runner, perhaps their best receiver, they trust him and he put up 1,280 yards and 10 TDs last season with a 4.3 YPC and an 8.2 YPR. Aside from that I totally agree.

And you expect him to do the same when he's 35?

He's 33.

Until he proves that he can't why assume it? And he doesn't need to put up 1,280 and 10 to be good enough to make the roster. Besides, clearly the team trusts him.

The only other semi legit inside runner on the roster is Anthony Dixon and let's be honest he's JAG and incredibly one dimensional to boot. Right now they need Fred and, this is my third time saying it, clearly they trust him.

 

[Chaka]

I know everyone loves the shiny and new but barring injuries (plural) this isn't his year.

 

[cstu]

I know everyone loves the shiny and new but barring injuries (plural) this isn't his year.

And probably not next year.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I know everyone loves the shiny and new but barring injuries (plural) this isn't his year.

People can question the Fred Jackson extension and attempt to rationalize that it doesn't affect Bryce Brown. But it has to. Clearly they trust Jackson, at least as a security blanket. He's 33 yo, but so what, just got paid. This puts a wet blanket on the Bryce Brown train, at least short term.

 

[cstu]

I know you tend to think anyone who disagrees with your opinion is a "hater", but once again you're wrong here- I like and own Brown, but I'm viewing it through a reasonable lens. They didn't get him for nothing, but it's far from the same cost as guys like Hyde, Hill, etc. It's silly to state otherwise.

Why are you talking about FF picks? This is about their NFL acquisition costs, so the analogy would be if Cincy would have traded the #55 pick this year (which they used on Hill) for the future conditional 4th rounder Buffalo gave up for Brown. There's nothing skeptical about that, no one in their right mind would think it's close.

I don't think you're a "hater." I just don't think your analysis is very good.

Like I said earlier, take out Sankey/Hyde/Hill and it's the same discussion.

He was traded for a 3rd-4th round NFL draft pick. That's a fact.

Tre Mason, Bernard Pierce, Terrance West, and Devonta Freeman were drafted between rounds 3-4. That's a fact.

Yet you say the acquisition price paid by their teams isn't similar.

Think about that for a minute. Brown was acquired for a pick in the exact same rounds, yet you're saying the acquisition price isn't similar.

I get the whole "a future pick is worth less than a current pick" angle. I also happen not agree with it at all. There is no real difference between a 2nd rounder in 2016 and a 2nd rounder in 2015. Draft picks are not prone to inflation like currency. The spending power of a dollar will decrease over time, but a 1st round pick in 2016 will net you one of the top 32 players on your board. The same exact thing it will net you in 2015.

I think when teams make those trades to get a pick right now for a higher future pick it's because they see someone falling (i.e. "We have this guy rated as a 1st rounder, so even though we're into the 2nd round of the draft we'll give you our future 1st to get him") and due to desperation (i.e. "I need to win this year or I'm getting fired, so I don't mind mortgaging the future"). That doesn't mean that it's sensible to apply a time discount in general.

Additionally, I've already explained that I think veterans are typically discounted relative to rookies (look at what Thomas Jones and Marshawn Lynch cost). Again, whether you agree or disagree is your prerogative. If you don't agree with my overall take here, so be it. If you say the sky is purple and I say it's red, I don't have to accept your interpretation any more than you have to accept mine. I've already thought about this situation at length, so it's unlikely that anything you say is going to result in me suddenly having an "aha" moment and changing my mind. I just have a different interpretation of the facts and that's that.

My take on the trade is that it's most likely going to be a 4th round pick (only a 3rd in 2016 if both Stevie Johnson and Brown meet performance conditions).

The Bills needed a RB in case Spiller is hurt and this doesn't cost them a pick this and might not cost them a 4th until 2016. Since we normally value future picks a round later this is maybe a 5th or 6th round pick value for Brown.

Brown is cheap for two years and will be a free agent after 2015 so they'll likely be looking for a starting RB in the draft next year.

 

[werdnoynek]

I know you tend to think anyone who disagrees with your opinion is a "hater", but once again you're wrong here- I like and own Brown, but I'm viewing it through a reasonable lens. They didn't get him for nothing, but it's far from the same cost as guys like Hyde, Hill, etc. It's silly to state otherwise.

Why are you talking about FF picks? This is about their NFL acquisition costs, so the analogy would be if Cincy would have traded the #55 pick this year (which they used on Hill) for the future conditional 4th rounder Buffalo gave up for Brown. There's nothing skeptical about that, no one in their right mind would think it's close.

I don't think you're a "hater." I just don't think your analysis is very good.

Like I said earlier, take out Sankey/Hyde/Hill and it's the same discussion.

He was traded for a 3rd-4th round NFL draft pick. That's a fact.

Tre Mason, Bernard Pierce, Terrance West, and Devonta Freeman were drafted between rounds 3-4. That's a fact.

Yet you say the acquisition price paid by their teams isn't similar.

Think about that for a minute. Brown was acquired for a pick in the exact same rounds, yet you're saying the acquisition price isn't similar.

I get the whole "a future pick is worth less than a current pick" angle. I also happen not agree with it at all. There is no real difference between a 2nd rounder in 2016 and a 2nd rounder in 2015. Draft picks are not prone to inflation like currency. The spending power of a dollar will decrease over time, but a 1st round pick in 2016 will net you one of the top 32 players on your board. The same exact thing it will net you in 2015.

I think when teams make those trades to get a pick right now for a higher future pick it's because they see someone falling (i.e. "We have this guy rated as a 1st rounder, so even though we're into the 2nd round of the draft we'll give you our future 1st to get him") and due to desperation (i.e. "I need to win this year or I'm getting fired, so I don't mind mortgaging the future"). That doesn't mean that it's sensible to apply a time discount in general.

Additionally, I've already explained that I think veterans are typically discounted relative to rookies (look at what Thomas Jones and Marshawn Lynch cost). Again, whether you agree or disagree is your prerogative. If you don't agree with my overall take here, so be it. If you say the sky is purple and I say it's red, I don't have to accept your interpretation any more than you have to accept mine. I've already thought about this situation at length, so it's unlikely that anything you say is going to result in me suddenly having an "aha" moment and changing my mind. I just have a different interpretation of the facts and that's that.

My take on the trade is that it's most likely going to be a 4th round pick (only a 3rd in 2016 if both Stevie Johnson and Brown meet performance conditions).

The Bills needed a RB in case Spiller is hurt and this doesn't cost them a pick this and might not cost them a 4th until 2016. Since we normally value future picks a round later this is maybe a 5th or 6th round pick value for Brown.

Brown is cheap for two years and will be a free agent after 2015 so they'll likely be looking for a starting RB in the draft next year.

Fjax hasn't been the poster boy for health the past 3 seasons either. Why leave him out?

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Bills announced that RB Fred Jackson has signed a contract extension. True warrior.

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
#Bills RB Fred Jackson just signed a one-year extension worth $2.6M with $1M additional in incentives, source says.

Wonder how this affects the outlook of the Bills RB situation... Not as clear a path to starter touches next season for Bryce Brown? Or just additional insurance if they can't get a good enough deal w/ Spiller.

I'd still say that the biggest question mark next year for Brown will be whether Spiller stays with the team. I don't foresee Jackson getting a sizable number of touches in 2015.

I agree. In my mind, the FJax extension doesn't have an impact on Bryce at all. It could have been a 10 year extension, and it wouldn't change anything. The fact of the matter is that FJax will be a role player sooner rather than later.

 

[DropKick]

I really don't get the Fred extension...

He produces, he's their best inside runner, perhaps their best receiver, they trust him and he put up 1,280 yards and 10 TDs last season with a 4.3 YPC and an 8.2 YPR. Aside from that I totally agree.

Regardless of productivity, he is 32 and under contract for a season where anything, including injury, can happen. He could fall off a cliff literally or figuratively. As a GM, why extend now?

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

I really don't get the Fred extension...

He produces, he's their best inside runner, perhaps their best receiver, they trust him and he put up 1,280 yards and 10 TDs last season with a 4.3 YPC and an 8.2 YPR. Aside from that I totally agree.

Regardless of productivity, he is 32 and under contract for a season where anything, including injury, can happen. He could fall off a cliff literally or figuratively. As a GM, why extend now?

Because Fred Jackson, even with a broken leg on the sideline, is an asset to the team.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I really don't get the Fred extension...

He produces, he's their best inside runner, perhaps their best receiver, they trust him and he put up 1,280 yards and 10 TDs last season with a 4.3 YPC and an 8.2 YPR. Aside from that I totally agree.

Regardless of productivity, he is 32 and under contract for a season where anything, including injury, can happen. He could fall off a cliff literally or figuratively. As a GM, why extend now?

lol brown's dynasty owners gettin' feisty!

 

[humpback]

Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Bills announced that RB Fred Jackson has signed a contract extension. True warrior.

Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
#Bills RB Fred Jackson just signed a one-year extension worth $2.6M with $1M additional in incentives, source says.

Wonder how this affects the outlook of the Bills RB situation... Not as clear a path to starter touches next season for Bryce Brown? Or just additional insurance if they can't get a good enough deal w/ Spiller.

I'd still say that the biggest question mark next year for Brown will be whether Spiller stays with the team. I don't foresee Jackson getting a sizable number of touches in 2015.

I agree. In my mind, the FJax extension doesn't have an impact on Bryce at all. It could have been a 10 year extension, and it wouldn't change anything. The fact of the matter is that FJax will be a role player sooner rather than later.

Even if he's a role player next year, that's worse for Brown than if he wasn't even on the team, which was the expectation prior to this extension. I suppose you could argue that it helps Brown if it makes it less likely that they now resign Spiller, but I don't think signing FJax for another year will impact that decision.

 

[Chaka]

I really don't get the Fred extension...

He produces, he's their best inside runner, perhaps their best receiver, they trust him and he put up 1,280 yards and 10 TDs last season with a 4.3 YPC and an 8.2 YPR. Aside from that I totally agree.

Regardless of productivity, he is 32 and under contract for a season where anything, including injury, can happen. He could fall off a cliff literally or figuratively. As a GM, why extend now?

 

[steveski]

I really don't get the Fred extension...

He produces, he's their best inside runner, perhaps their best receiver, they trust him and he put up 1,280 yards and 10 TDs last season with a 4.3 YPC and an 8.2 YPR. Aside from that I totally agree.

Regardless of productivity, he is 32 and under contract for a season where anything, including injury, can happen. He could fall off a cliff literally or figuratively. As a GM, why extend now?

lol brown's dynasty owners gettin' feisty!

Even if you ignore Brown and his fantasy relevance, I don't understand why they'd extend Jackson from a team standpoint.

This year they have Spiller and Jackson and traded for Brown. Both Spiller and Jackson could be gone next year so it makes sense to trade for Brown now to see what you have in him. Jackson has been productive but he's 33 now. He could be productive again this season and if he is, then extend him. Why extend him now when you don't know what you're going to get from him this year?

I just don't get it from a team standpoint. If Brown falls flat this year and Jackson looks good, extend him. If both look bad, then you can look in the draft or FA. If Brown looks good and Jackson hits the wall this year, you're stuck with Jackson for no reason.

I just don't see what Buffalo gains out of extending Jackson right now?

Are they really that worried that the market will be super hot for a 34 year old RB next year?

 

[Chaka]

I really don't get the Fred extension...

He produces, he's their best inside runner, perhaps their best receiver, they trust him and he put up 1,280 yards and 10 TDs last season with a 4.3 YPC and an 8.2 YPR. Aside from that I totally agree.

Regardless of productivity, he is 32 and under contract for a season where anything, including injury, can happen. He could fall off a cliff literally or figuratively. As a GM, why extend now?

lol brown's dynasty owners gettin' feisty!

Even if you ignore Brown and his fantasy relevance, I don't understand why they'd extend Jackson from a team standpoint.

This year they have Spiller and Jackson and traded for Brown. Both Spiller and Jackson could be gone next year so it makes sense to trade for Brown now to see what you have in him. Jackson has been productive but he's 33 now. He could be productive again this season and if he is, then extend him. Why extend him now when you don't know what you're going to get from him this year?

I just don't get it from a team standpoint. If Brown falls flat this year and Jackson looks good, extend him. If both look bad, then you can look in the draft or FA. If Brown looks good and Jackson hits the wall this year, you're stuck with Jackson for no reason.

I just don't see what Buffalo gains out of extending Jackson right now?

Are they really that worried that the market will be super hot for a 34 year old RB next year?

So you think they should have extended Jackson during next off season when he turns 34, if he produces this year, because extending him before this season makes no sense because he's 33 now and they don't know what they are going to get out of him?

 

[Chaka]

Guys, Jackson is the most complete RB on their roster, that is a fact not theory or conjecture. I am guessing that he is also a good locker room guy.

They extended him because: He produces, he's their best inside runner, perhaps their best receiver, they trust him and he put up 1,280 yards and 10 TDs last season with a 4.3 YPC and an 8.2 YPR. Aside from that I totally agree that extending him makes no sense.

Sorry to rain on your parade but this is not Brown's season (barring injuries of course), you'll have to wait until next year to see if picking him up was the right move for your fantasy team.

 

[pantherclub]

I know everyone loves the shiny and new but barring injuries (plural) this isn't his year.

People can question the Fred Jackson extension and attempt to rationalize that it doesn't affect Bryce Brown. But it has to. Clearly they trust Jackson, at least as a security blanket. He's 33 yo, but so what, just got paid. This puts a wet blanket on the Bryce Brown train, at least short term.

I don't see that at all. Jackson's ext doesn't effect brown at all IMO. I think they see Jackson as a good team player, leader and someone who knows the offense to be a role player. He is not going to be a work horse back anymore.

 

[Chaka]

I know everyone loves the shiny and new but barring injuries (plural) this isn't his year.

People can question the Fred Jackson extension and attempt to rationalize that it doesn't affect Bryce Brown. But it has to. Clearly they trust Jackson, at least as a security blanket. He's 33 yo, but so what, just got paid. This puts a wet blanket on the Bryce Brown train, at least short term.

I don't see that at all. Jackson's ext doesn't effect brown at all IMO. I think they see Jackson as a good team player, leader and someone who knows the offense to be a role player. He is not going to be a work horse back anymore.

Sure thing but he'll see the field more than Brown this year.

 

[steveski]

I really don't get the Fred extension...

He produces, he's their best inside runner, perhaps their best receiver, they trust him and he put up 1,280 yards and 10 TDs last season with a 4.3 YPC and an 8.2 YPR. Aside from that I totally agree.

Regardless of productivity, he is 32 and under contract for a season where anything, including injury, can happen. He could fall off a cliff literally or figuratively. As a GM, why extend now?

lol brown's dynasty owners gettin' feisty!

Even if you ignore Brown and his fantasy relevance, I don't understand why they'd extend Jackson from a team standpoint.

This year they have Spiller and Jackson and traded for Brown. Both Spiller and Jackson could be gone next year so it makes sense to trade for Brown now to see what you have in him. Jackson has been productive but he's 33 now. He could be productive again this season and if he is, then extend him. Why extend him now when you don't know what you're going to get from him this year?

I just don't get it from a team standpoint. If Brown falls flat this year and Jackson looks good, extend him. If both look bad, then you can look in the draft or FA. If Brown looks good and Jackson hits the wall this year, you're stuck with Jackson for no reason.

I just don't see what Buffalo gains out of extending Jackson right now?

Are they really that worried that the market will be super hot for a 34 year old RB next year?

So you think they should have extended Jackson during next off season when he turns 34, if he produces this year, because extending him before this season makes no sense because he's 33 now and they don't know what they are going to get out of him?

I don't think its that hard to follow. He's 33 now. If he looks good this year and they feel like they need him next year then sign/extend him then. Why extend him before this season? What do the Buffalo Bills gain by extending him right now? The market will not be hot for him next year so it's not like they are worried about having to compete and over pay to keep him.