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***BTTF VI: Draft Over! See you in October (4 Viewers)

oso diablo said:
by quick calc, i see at least 3 guys who broke the MLB record for Total Bases: Cruz, Encarnacion, and Cespedes

Babe Ruth holds the record with 457 TB in 1921.
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oso diablo said:
Dee Gordon with a chance to surpass the MLB record for most hits in a season. He has 260. Ichiro holds record with 262.
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oso diablo said:
Pollock had 3 doubles last night to reach 69 on the season.

Cruz now at 80 HRs. He plays in a -2 HR park. Has hit 47 dingers on the road. Unreal.
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some posts from the end of last season about crazy offensive numbers.

 
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Heads up- my team seems to have improved since I removed those fictional AAA players* and is threatening to snag a playoff spot so you all might want to sort out an appropriate punishment for my misdeeds.

*Actual reason for surge is probably going to a four man rotation and moving Staily to long man about two weeks ago.

 
oso diablo said:
does anyone know if WIS will let me have two teams in same league with one login? or do i have to create a 2nd account for the 2nd team?
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btw, i highly recommend using a single account. it has been so much easier this way.

in fact, it's difficult for me to fathom what the advantage of two accounts is.

 
Pedro Baez was my best bullpen arm in real life. He has the worst ERA and WHIP in the SIM

Enny Romero was my worst pitcher, and was only brought along because he had AAA eligibilty. He got a call up early, and he now has the best ERA and WHIP in my pen.

:loco:

 
TobiasFunke said:
Heads up- my team seems to have improved since I removed those fictional AAA players* and is threatening to snag a playoff spot so you all might want to sort out an appropriate punishment for my misdeeds.

*Actual reason for surge is probably going to a four man rotation and moving Staily to long man about two weeks ago.
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I think the postseason ban is/was the consensus, no? 

 
jfranco77 said:
I think the postseason ban is/was the consensus, no? 
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:shrug:

I mentioned that, and looking back it appears you did as well, but that's all I've seen on the matter.  As I said I'm fine with whatever you all decide, it's 100% my mistake.  Best I can offer is a Belichick-ian (except true) defense of "I misinterpreted the rules."

I've lost two in a row so maybe it won't be an issue.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Heads up- my team seems to have improved since I removed those fictional AAA players* and is threatening to snag a playoff spot so you all might want to sort out an appropriate punishment for my misdeeds.

*Actual reason for surge is probably going to a four man rotation and moving Staily to long man about two weeks ago.
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As a team most likely to be affected by this, I'm comfortable with anything, including no punishment... but its also an isse for potential wild card teams.

As an alternative to the draconian post season ban (although fair, considering not the inadvertent illegal use of players itself, but rather the many days including call outs and PMs in the thread which led to further inaction, that is my main gripe personally), perhaps there could be a "docking" of some amount of wins. For example, when was Tobias first called out on this, when was he called out in PM or with his handle @TobiasFunke in the thread, sorta of a formal you are on notice? How many games were these players involved after it was brought to his attention? Maybe it's 2, 5 I dont know...

Regardless, if we can find that moment and determine how many games the guys were used, maybe we say that if TF wins the division or a WC by more than that number of games, he is eligible.  If he is say up by 2 games and we determine his penalty to be 4, then he misses.  If he is up by 5 games and the penalty is four, he is still eligible.

I'm fine either way, but considering that it seems inadvertent a full post season ban may be too much, but considering TF was terribly irresponsible considering the public call outs and attempts to get his attention, something of significance does seem fair and in order. 

 
Teams fighting for the division/wild card against Tobias should speak up the most and decide what they wanna do. As the owner of a team who blows I don't really care. 

And while Landry might win ROY, I think Lever is the better prospect going forward.

 
Koya said:
As a team most likely to be affected by this, I'm comfortable with anything, including no punishment... but its also an isse for potential wild card teams.

As an alternative to the draconian post season ban (although fair, considering not the inadvertent illegal use of players itself, but rather the many days including call outs and PMs in the thread which led to further inaction, that is my main gripe personally), perhaps there could be a "docking" of some amount of wins. For example, when was Tobias first called out on this, when was he called out in PM or with his handle @TobiasFunke in the thread, sorta of a formal you are on notice? How many games were these players involved after it was brought to his attention? Maybe it's 2, 5 I dont know...

Regardless, if we can find that moment and determine how many games the guys were used, maybe we say that if TF wins the division or a WC by more than that number of games, he is eligible.  If he is say up by 2 games and we determine his penalty to be 4, then he misses.  If he is up by 5 games and the penalty is four, he is still eligible.

I'm fine either way, but considering that it seems inadvertent a full post season ban may be too much, but considering TF was terribly irresponsible considering the public call outs and attempts to get his attention, something of significance does seem fair and in order. 
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Pretty sure it would be a lot of games, if dated from the first time I was tagged here about it.  I'm fine with no postseason as a result, but for your guys' sake I would not recommend classifying them as forfeits and giving someone else the W just for practical reasons. It would be a nightmare to track and recalculate, and like I said one guy was replacing a backup catcher whom he barely outperformed, and the other was set to pitch only in mop-up duty so he did not impact any outcomes.

I don't think I got a PM from anyone- those come to my email inbox so I would have noticed them.  I think the tags mostly came over a 4 day weekend I took, I don't visit the board much when I'm home they just got mixed in with my other notifications when I came back and I ignored them.

 
Personally I'm fine with no punishment for Tobias. It's a $13 league with no prize money and his fake dudes probably didn't affect anything. I think it'd be more fun to just let it play out. But for argument's sake...

Assuming we wanted to ban him from the postseason, do we have the power to enforce that? Can the commish do it? Do we have to email WIS?

 
I'll remind you again that I offered to receive spankings as an alternative punishment.  I think one spank per game won by the Nevernudes during the time the AAA guys were rostered seems fair.

Open hand only, though.  No paddling.

 
Spartans Rule said:
Personally I'm fine with no punishment for Tobias. It's a $13 league with no prize money and his fake dudes probably didn't affect anything. I think it'd be more fun to just let it play out. But for argument's sake...

Assuming we wanted to ban him from the postseason, do we have the power to enforce that? Can the commish do it? Do we have to email WIS?
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As stated, I'm totally fine with no punishment. I do believe it was not done on purpose. 

That said, I'm not the only "affected party" here so while I believe a postseason ban is too harsh, if there's a strong faction that feels anything is warranted, its not all or nothing.  Hell, it could be an arbitrary "if he doesnt win by more than 2 games he doesnt make it"

that said, its easiest, and imo probably best, to just left things slide. If he does make the playoffs, we remind him of his complete unworthiness, placing him in the halcyon of Larry Boy's cheating festivities of the 2000's. 

To answer the questions about what a commish can do, and please someone correct me if I am wrong, you can not "overturn wins" or give them to someone else / create forfeits.  Apparently the commish can dictate who makes the playoffs.  

 
Been trying to get back to .500 since like game 15. Closest I got was 2 back before a 5 game losing streak right before the break. I'm back only 3 under now. It's these little victories that make this fun. Would love to make the wild-card but I am 8 back from that. No chance that happens. 

 
TobiasFunke said:
Pretty sure it would be a lot of games, if dated from the first time I was tagged here about it.  I'm fine with no postseason as a result, but for your guys' sake I would not recommend classifying them as forfeits and giving someone else the W just for practical reasons. It would be a nightmare to track and recalculate, and like I said one guy was replacing a backup catcher whom he barely outperformed, and the other was set to pitch only in mop-up duty so he did not impact any outcomes.

I don't think I got a PM from anyone- those come to my email inbox so I would have noticed them.  I think the tags mostly came over a 4 day weekend I took, I don't visit the board much when I'm home they just got mixed in with my other notifications when I came back and I ignored them.
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My team sucks this year and I don't really care what is decided, but my 2 cents is that these guys have impact in the games they don't play than the games they do. No reason to forfeit specific games when the real advantage is they absorb innings Abs to keep real players fresh for other games.  stuff happens and my team is irrelevant anyway

 
cheese said:
My team sucks this year and I don't really care what is decided, but my 2 cents is that these guys have impact in the games they don't play than the games they do. No reason to forfeit specific games when the real advantage is they absorb innings Abs to keep real players fresh for other games.  stuff happens and my team is irrelevant anyway
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Understood,  But just to reassure people, mine really didn't affect my other players' rest:

The pitcher was used solely in mop-up duty- any other guy on my roster (currently Manship, also have Adam Warren, Drew Storen and Elvis Araujo chilling in AAA) could have taken the innings and given up a pile of runs over the last few innings of a blowout to save the rest of the pen.

And the catcher simply replaced Jeff Mathis as my backup C starting once every 6-7 games for Norris.  Mathis has 132 real world PAs in 2016, Mathis and the fake guy combined have about 80 at the moment in our league so Mathis likely could have just taken all of them.

Again, I'm fine with what you all decide, I just want to make sure nobody thinks the competitive balance of the league was affected in any significant way.  The mop-up innings were irrelevant to both results and rest, so the only actual impact on any games was the fake catcher over Mathis for 46 PAs- fake guy hit .273/.304/.318 with crappy defense, Mathis currently at .229/.250/.457 with decent defense I think, so you're talking about maybe getting on base two or three extra times with fewer total bases on those hits.

 
Not that it will do anything, but if anyone's up for a change of scenery deal, I'm willing to swap a pitcher or two... like for like, or I'd even put in say Lugo and Cueto for a "better" (allegedly) pitcher.

Would also consider dealing Lugo or Strickland to upgrade my defensive OF.

 
Koya said:
As stated, I'm totally fine with no punishment. I do believe it was not done on purpose. 

That said, I'm not the only "affected party" here so while I believe a postseason ban is too harsh, if there's a strong faction that feels anything is warranted, its not all or nothing.  Hell, it could be an arbitrary "if he doesnt win by more than 2 games he doesnt make it"

that said, its easiest, and imo probably best, to just left things slide. If he does make the playoffs, we remind him of his complete unworthiness, placing him in the halcyon of Larry Boy's cheating festivities of the 2000's. 

To answer the questions about what a commish can do, and please someone correct me if I am wrong, you can not "overturn wins" or give them to someone else / create forfeits.  Apparently the commish can dictate who makes the playoffs.  
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Yes, the commish can submit a ticket to WIS and rearrange the playoffs if he so chooses. I am fine with a 5-game penalty or something similar. I'm also fine with no penalty, but only if it includes mocking indignantly and TF promising to come back next year so we can mock him some more.

 
jfranco77 said:
Yes, the commish can submit a ticket to WIS and rearrange the playoffs if he so chooses. I am fine with a 5-game penalty or something similar. I'm also fine with no penalty, but only if it includes mocking indignantly and TF promising to come back next year so we can mock him some more.
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I accept this condition.

 
I am 4-5 against DOSO, Pelicans, and Every Khris. I think I am destined to lose first round matchup regardless of who I face

 
scoobus said:
4.5 Carlos Rodon

I'm pretty bullish on Rodon this year. I might be taking him a little (LOT) bit early, but it's hard to gauge draft value on young guys in this, and some picks already have scared me into thinking he won't be there next turn.
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:thumbup:

Was as wrong about him as anyone I can remember.

 
Big Papi ending his BTTF career in style.  Leading the whole thing in OPS with 52 bombs, 181 RBIs. :thumbup:

Then he can fully commit himself as a tennis instructor.

 
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why is the offence so crazy in WIS now?

5 everday players of mine have 34+ HRs (Russell, Rendon, Goldschmidt, Murphy, Grandy).

 
Not sure how much it contributes, but there are a few teams getting their pitchers absolutely bombed due to lack of stamina.

Seems like pitchers who are even slightly tired get murdered for me.

 
I'm resting Khris Davis the rest of the regular season, so he'll finish with 72 HR and 202 RBIs.

Mookie will keep playing. He's batting .398 so he could pull off .400.

 
Spartans Rule said:
I'm resting Khris Davis the rest of the regular season, so he'll finish with 72 HR and 202 RBIs.

Mookie will keep playing. He's batting .398 so he could pull off .400.
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:tebow:

Was rooting for him all season.

 
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