Bucs trade Kellen Winslow to Seahawks (1 Viewer)

[Raiderfan32904]

Great move for Tampa here. I can't believe Seattle took on that contract.

I agree. If Seattle gave the Bucs a cup of "Seattle's Best" coffee , and 2015 7th rounder, they got a great deal!

 

[ImTheScientist]

Yep, maybe a 6th if he hits some arbitrary numbers they agreed upon. Couldn't imagine it being more with Seattle having to take on the rest of that contract.

NFL contracts are not guaranteed.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Yep, maybe a 6th if he hits some arbitrary numbers they agreed upon. Couldn't imagine it being more with Seattle having to take on the rest of that contract.

NFL contracts are not guaranteed.

no. but cutting him will still count against the cap somehow.

 

[ImTheScientist]

This team is trimming the fat. First Tanard Jackson, now Winslow. Dez Briscoe is likely next.

I love it.

Same here. Schiano: You're not on board with what we're doing?

Ya, Pete Carroll has been doing that since he got to Seattle. Worked great for the Hawks.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Yep, maybe a 6th if he hits some arbitrary numbers they agreed upon. Couldn't imagine it being more with Seattle having to take on the rest of that contract.

NFL contracts are not guaranteed.

no. but cutting him will still count against the cap somehow.

They are one of the teams with the most cap room in the NFL right now.... not really an issue.

 

[Grahamburn]

Yep, maybe a 6th if he hits some arbitrary numbers they agreed upon. Couldn't imagine it being more with Seattle having to take on the rest of that contract.

NFL contracts are not guaranteed.

3 years and $13.3 million is still guaranteed on Winslow's.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Yep, maybe a 6th if he hits some arbitrary numbers they agreed upon. Couldn't imagine it being more with Seattle having to take on the rest of that contract.

NFL contracts are not guaranteed.

no. but cutting him will still count against the cap somehow.

They are one of the teams with the most cap room in the NFL right now.... not really an issue.

I love what Seattle is doing. Wouldn't be surprised if they won the NFC West.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Yep, maybe a 6th if he hits some arbitrary numbers they agreed upon. Couldn't imagine it being more with Seattle having to take on the rest of that contract.

NFL contracts are not guaranteed.

3 years and $13.3 million is still guaranteed on Winslow's.

Wrong. His original deal was 6 year deal for 36.1 million with 20.1 guaranteed. His 2009 and 2010 salaries were fully guaranteed.NONE of his remaining 3 years at 13.3 are guaranteed. Meaning Seattle could cut him and lose out on a 7th rounder....great deal for Seattle.

 

[Shutout]

Well im surprised that Seattle would take on that contract.

Me too. Freaking idiots. They pay Zach Miller 5 yrs @$34M with $17M gtd, and are now into a chronically injured shot-knee prima donna who sets them back another 13M. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere yesterday that all the guaranteed money in that contract has been paid so maybe its not as bad as it seems.

 

[Grahamburn]

Yep, maybe a 6th if he hits some arbitrary numbers they agreed upon. Couldn't imagine it being more with Seattle having to take on the rest of that contract.

NFL contracts are not guaranteed.

3 years and $13.3 million is still guaranteed on Winslow's.

Wrong. His original deal was 6 year deal for 36.1 million with 20.1 guaranteed. His 2009 and 2010 salaries were fully guaranteed.NONE of his remaining 3 years at 13.3 are guaranteed. Meaning Seattle could cut him and lose out on a 7th rounder....great deal for Seattle.

My apologies. I believe there's still a cap hit in those years though, which is why nobody thought Tampa would be able to trade him.

 

[Jason Wood]

Yep, maybe a 6th if he hits some arbitrary numbers they agreed upon. Couldn't imagine it being more with Seattle having to take on the rest of that contract.

NFL contracts are not guaranteed.

3 years and $13.3 million is still guaranteed on Winslow's.

As someone else noted, Winslow has nothing left guaranteed in his contract.And Seattle wouldn't take a big cap hit if they release him. The non-salary portion of his annual cap hit is $1.17mmm, so if they cut him after this year, they at most eat $2.34mm in cap space in 2013.

 

[Grahamburn]

Yep, maybe a 6th if he hits some arbitrary numbers they agreed upon. Couldn't imagine it being more with Seattle having to take on the rest of that contract.

NFL contracts are not guaranteed.

3 years and $13.3 million is still guaranteed on Winslow's.

As someone else noted, Winslow has nothing left guaranteed in his contract.And Seattle wouldn't take a big cap hit if they release him. The non-salary portion of his annual cap hit is $1.17mmm, so if they cut him after this year, they at most eat $2.34mm in cap space in 2013.

Maybe I'll just shut up then.

 

[loose circuits]

So much disinformation in this thread is ridiculous. Once a team trades a player the original team takes the cap hit as they were obligated to the contract. Seattle risks nothing here

 

[Todem]

Winslow has been a a good pro since his move to TB. The Seahawks added a legit red zone weapon.

So what's the fuss? Good move to the Hawks. Plus I don't know if anyone has noticed. This is a copycate league. It seems now the dual TE thing is gaining a lot of steam. Ala the Patriots approach. Have two big targets running down the seam and crossing the the field causing match up issues.

Good move by the Hawks. Of course Winslow has to stay healthy.....which he has the past couple of years despite bad knees. He is a warrior.

 

[Grahamburn]

So much disinformation in this thread is ridiculous. Once a team trades a player the original team takes the cap hit as they were obligated to the contract. Seattle risks nothing here

Then why are teams reluctant to trade for players who have bad contracts? Serious question.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Winslow has been a a good pro since his move to TB. The Seahawks added a legit red zone weapon.

So what's the fuss? Good move to the Hawks. Plus I don't know if anyone has noticed. This is a copycate league. It seems now the dual TE thing is gaining a lot of steam. Ala the Patriots approach. Have two big targets running down the seam and crossing the the field causing match up issues.

Good move by the Hawks. Of course Winslow has to stay healthy.....which he has the past couple of years despite bad knees. He is a warrior.

You mean soldier!

 

[Steed]

So much disinformation in this thread is ridiculous. Once a team trades a player the original team takes the cap hit as they were obligated to the contract. Seattle risks nothing here

If he makes the opening day roster, he's guaranteed $3.3M. That's a little pricey for a #2 TE

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Good bit on Clark and Freeman here.....Also, an awesome one handed catch by Clark at practice yesterday.

http://www.buccaneers.com/multimedia/videos/Buccaneers-Insider-A-Fine-Catch/42cd3954-4212-48d8-84d9-5711dd9e1afa

 

[Jason Wood]

So much disinformation in this thread is ridiculous. Once a team trades a player the original team takes the cap hit as they were obligated to the contract. Seattle risks nothing here

Makes the move even more of a no brainer for the Seahawks And kudos for being right on the money.http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/FAQ.aspx

 

[Dirk Digler]

Championship!!!

lol.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

So much disinformation in this thread is ridiculous. Once a team trades a player the original team takes the cap hit as they were obligated to the contract. Seattle risks nothing here

If he makes the opening day roster, he's guaranteed $3.3M. That's a little pricey for a #2 TE

I agree...do they really think the demand for him after he got cut (which he eventually would have) would really be that high to where the "bidding war" for his services would go over $3 mil....seriously...?to me, the play here here was to wait until he got cut and then try to sign him....if you do lose out, which I think would have been unlikely....then you move on to plan B and grab another TE like Shiancoe or somebody if you really need a mid level TE....

 

[cstu]

So much disinformation in this thread is ridiculous. Once a team trades a player the original team takes the cap hit as they were obligated to the contract. Seattle risks nothing here

If he makes the opening day roster, he's guaranteed $3.3M. That's a little pricey for a #2 TE

I wouldn't be surprised if he's either cut or asked to take a pay cut to stay on the team.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

2) PC and JS don't care about your fantasy team.

PC cares about his fantasy surfer team.....and his hair.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Yep, maybe a 6th if he hits some arbitrary numbers they agreed upon. Couldn't imagine it being more with Seattle having to take on the rest of that contract.

NFL contracts are not guaranteed.

3 years and $13.3 million is still guaranteed on Winslow's.

As someone else noted, Winslow has nothing left guaranteed in his contract.And Seattle wouldn't take a big cap hit if they release him. The non-salary portion of his annual cap hit is $1.17mmm, so if they cut him after this year, they at most eat $2.34mm in cap space in 2013.

Maybe I'll just shut up then.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Winslow has been a a good pro since his move to TB. The Seahawks added a legit red zone weapon.So what's the fuss? Good move to the Hawks. Plus I don't know if anyone has noticed. This is a copycate league. It seems now the dual TE thing is gaining a lot of steam. Ala the Patriots approach. Have two big targets running down the seam and crossing the the field causing match up issues.Good move by the Hawks. Of course Winslow has to stay healthy.....which he has the past couple of years despite bad knees. He is a warrior.

I have no idea why this would be a plus for the Bucs; it looks like subtraction to me.Something's up with Clark, whether it's age or injuries he did not seem to get much interest in the offseason while Tamme was signed right away.In general it looks like a classic situation of a college coach coming in and getting rid of a vet from the old regime just because (ie to make the point he's 'in charge' now.). Ok, great. Freeman loses what had been his best weapon and probably the guy he had the most on-field chemistry with, not to mention a better blocking TE.

 

[Jason Wood]

Winslow broke the news on NFL Network, and said he was told he was being traded/released because Schiano was unhappy with his not working out with the team up to that point. KW claims he was reporting to TB to work out with the team, and noted that he participated in OTAs each of the last three years, and indicated a frustration at the idea of getting rid of one of the better players on the team because of a difference of opinion like that. Either way, Schiano is trying to make his mark early and wants everyone in the locker room to buy in.

 

[Shutout]

Winslow broke the news on NFL Network, and said he was told he was being traded/released because Schiano was unhappy with his not working out with the team up to that point. KW claims he was reporting to TB to work out with the team, and noted that he participated in OTAs each of the last three years, and indicated a frustration at the idea of getting rid of one of the better players on the team because of a difference of opinion like that. Either way, Schiano is trying to make his mark early and wants everyone in the locker room to buy in.

Broke the news on Sirius radio with Ross Tucker.

 

[Shutout]

Winslow has been a a good pro since his move to TB. The Seahawks added a legit red zone weapon.

So what's the fuss? Good move to the Hawks. Plus I don't know if anyone has noticed. This is a copycate league. It seems now the dual TE thing is gaining a lot of steam. Ala the Patriots approach. Have two big targets running down the seam and crossing the the field causing match up issues.

Good move by the Hawks. Of course Winslow has to stay healthy.....which he has the past couple of years despite bad knees. He is a warrior.

I have no idea why this would be a plus for the Bucs; it looks like subtraction to me.Something's up with Clark, whether it's age or injuries he did not seem to get much interest in the offseason while Tamme was signed right away.In general it looks like a classic situation of a college coach coming in and getting rid of a vet from the old regime just because (ie to make the point he's 'in charge' now.). Ok, great. Freeman loses what had been his best weapon and probably the guy he had the most on-field chemistry with, not to mention a better blocking TE.

Does that really mean anything? Albert Haynesworth was signed a couple hours into FA with one of the highest contracts ever and it didn't translate.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

So much disinformation in this thread is ridiculous. Once a team trades a player the original team takes the cap hit as they were obligated to the contract. Seattle risks nothing here

If he makes the opening day roster, he's guaranteed $3.3M. That's a little pricey for a #2 TE

I wouldn't be surprised if he's either cut or asked to take a pay cut to stay on the team.

yeah Winslow seems like the kind of guy that won't have a problem with this and he probably wouldn't have anything to say about it to anybody either....but seriously....if that is the case....still why wouldn't SEA just wait for him to be cut.....and then just let the bidding war get to the number they would be asking him to settle for...and be able to keep their draft pick....

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Winslow has been a a good pro since his move to TB. The Seahawks added a legit red zone weapon.

So what's the fuss? Good move to the Hawks. Plus I don't know if anyone has noticed. This is a copycate league. It seems now the dual TE thing is gaining a lot of steam. Ala the Patriots approach. Have two big targets running down the seam and crossing the the field causing match up issues.

Good move by the Hawks. Of course Winslow has to stay healthy.....which he has the past couple of years despite bad knees. He is a warrior.

I have no idea why this would be a plus for the Bucs; it looks like subtraction to me.Something's up with Clark, whether it's age or injuries he did not seem to get much interest in the offseason while Tamme was signed right away.In general it looks like a classic situation of a college coach coming in and getting rid of a vet from the old regime just because (ie to make the point he's 'in charge' now.). Ok, great. Freeman loses what had been his best weapon and probably the guy he had the most on-field chemistry with, not to mention a better blocking TE.

Does that really mean anything? Albert Haynesworth was signed a couple hours into FA with one of the highest contracts ever and it didn't translate.

Same case could be made for Vincent Jackson

 

[Grahamburn]

Yep, maybe a 6th if he hits some arbitrary numbers they agreed upon. Couldn't imagine it being more with Seattle having to take on the rest of that contract.

NFL contracts are not guaranteed.

3 years and $13.3 million is still guaranteed on Winslow's.

As someone else noted, Winslow has nothing left guaranteed in his contract.And Seattle wouldn't take a big cap hit if they release him. The non-salary portion of his annual cap hit is $1.17mmm, so if they cut him after this year, they at most eat $2.34mm in cap space in 2013.

Maybe I'll just shut up then.

nuff said.

 

[cstu]

So much disinformation in this thread is ridiculous. Once a team trades a player the original team takes the cap hit as they were obligated to the contract. Seattle risks nothing here

If he makes the opening day roster, he's guaranteed $3.3M. That's a little pricey for a #2 TE

I wouldn't be surprised if he's either cut or asked to take a pay cut to stay on the team.

yeah Winslow seems like the kind of guy that won't have a problem with this and he probably wouldn't have anything to say about it to anybody either....but seriously....if that is the case....still why wouldn't SEA just wait for him to be cut.....and then just let the bidding war get to the number they would be asking him to settle for...and be able to keep their draft pick....

True, but even the soldier must realize his options are limited.A 7th is a pretty cheap price to try him out. The Seahawks drafted TE's in the 7th in 2010 (Jameson Konz) and 2009 (Cameron Morrah). Konz has done nothing and Morrah is a developmental player. The Seahawks have the cap room and at least Winslow will be able to contribute right away.

 

[Sinrman]

Never been a fan of Winslow anyway. Smart move by the Bucs. Equally smart in giving Clark a shot...

 

[Faust]

While Schiano sends a message by shipping off Winslow, Seahawks get a great deal

By Pat Kirwan | NFL Insider

Greg Schiano wanted to make a statement about the future of the Tampa Bay Bucs and how things are going to be for the players. I don't blame him, since he got the job because ownership thought things were way to loose last year.

As we all know, Kellen Winslow is now gone and Dallas Clark is in as a Bucs tight end. It kind of reminds me of the famous story of Packers center Jim Ringo going into Vince Lombardi's office and asking for a raise. Lombardi left the office for a short period of time and came back to tell Ringo to ask his new boss (the Redskins) for the raise.

The real winner in the Winslow decision has to be the Seahawks. They gave very little compensation for the fourth-most targeted tight end in the NFL last year behind Jimmy Graham, Brandon Pettigrew and Rob Gronkowski.

There was speculation no one would trade for Winslow with his contract, but keep in mind it is an unguaranteed deal with three years left on it. The Seahawks could cut him this summer and only be out a seventh round pick. They could easily recoup a seventh by trading down in the sixth round next year. By trading for Winslow, Seattle didn't have to get in a battle with any other team for his services, which made it a no-brainer.

From a football perspective, the Seahawks just became a dangerous 12 personnel team (1 running back, 2 tight ends, and 2 wide receivers). With Winslow, Seattle gets a hybrid player that can create matchup problems for most opponents.

In the last three years Winslow hasn't missed a game, he has 68 receptions on third downs, 74 receptions and six touchdowns in the fourth quarter and 163 receptions and 10 touchdowns when the Bucs were losing.

No signing bonus! No guaranteed money! The Seahawks picked up Marshawn Lynch a few years ago in a trade for a fourth-round pick and how did that work out for them?

 

[loose circuits]

So much disinformation in this thread is ridiculous. Once a team trades a player the original team takes the cap hit as they were obligated to the contract. Seattle risks nothing here

If he makes the opening day roster, he's guaranteed $3.3M. That's a little pricey for a #2 TE

When you look at Carlson's or even Boss' deal it doesn't seem too bad to me

 

[twistd]

They just traded him to Seattle for an undisclosed pick

Great news for Kellen Davis owners - both of us. Seriously, from what little I've seen, I'd much rather have Davis than Winslow starting if I were building a real NFL roster.

Kellen Davis is useless. I wouldn't expect anything from him.

 

[loose circuits]

So much disinformation in this thread is ridiculous. Once a team trades a player the original team takes the cap hit as they were obligated to the contract. Seattle risks nothing here

Then why are teams reluctant to trade for players who have bad contracts? Serious question.

Because the player has a bad contract so they have no intention of honoring it? Would you pay for a used couch when the exact same couch would be in the free section on craigslist? In some cases where they can negotiate with the player and sign an acceptable deal it is worth it to guarantee they get their guyTo me; it seems Seattle plans on honoring kw2's deal

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

This is a very interesting take. It is the Eli Manning and Shockey effect of why TB moved Winslow.

http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=67173

 

[loose circuits]

They just traded him to Seattle for an undisclosed pick

Great news for Kellen Davis owners - both of us. Seriously, from what little I've seen, I'd much rather have Davis than Winslow starting if I were building a real NFL roster.

Kellen Davis is useless. I wouldn't expect anything from him.

Rodriguez is the TE to own on that team

 

[Faust]

Report: Kellen Winslow seen as 'rotational player'

By Marc Sessler

Writer

Let's cycle back to Monday's trade that sent Kellen Winslow to the Seattle Seahawks.

When the Tampa Bay Buccaneers shipped the tight end to the Pacific Northwest for a conditional pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the move came as no surprise. Bucs coach Greg Schiano made it crystal clear Winslow was no longer a fit on the team's rebuilt roster.

We have yet to learn how Winslow will be used in Pete Carroll's vertical-power offense, but one league personnel executive, who spoke with Adam Caplan of Sirius XM NFL Radio, painted a less-than-hopeful picture of the tight end's playing future:

"We talked to the Bucs before the draft and talked about (Winslow) further internally," the source said. "We just didn't think he could be more than a rotational player at this point (in his career) after examining his tape and performance."

During his best days with the Cleveland Browns, Winslow was an unusual pass-catching threat who caused regular headaches for defensive coordinators. Even in Cleveland's often punchless offense, Winslow could hurt you. He was productive in Tampa, catching 77, 66 and 75 passes in three seasons there from 2009 to 2011. Schiano ruled that Winslow was no longer a difference-maker, and at least one scout agrees.

This comes down to what Seattle plans to do with Winslow. With Zach Miller on the roster, Winslow isn't the only tight end with hands, but expecting the KW2 of old to emerge unhindered might be unrealistic.

 

[Fensalk]

I'll always wonder how good he could've been had he not destroyed his knee in the motorcycle accident.

 

[cstu]

I'll always wonder how good he could've been had he not destroyed his knee in the motorcycle accident.

HOF'er. Seriously.

 

[az_prof]

While Schiano sends a message by shipping off Winslow, Seahawks get a great deal

By Pat Kirwan | NFL Insider

Greg Schiano wanted to make a statement about the future of the Tampa Bay Bucs and how things are going to be for the players. I don't blame him, since he got the job because ownership thought things were way to loose last year.

As we all know, Kellen Winslow is now gone and Dallas Clark is in as a Bucs tight end. It kind of reminds me of the famous story of Packers center Jim Ringo going into Vince Lombardi's office and asking for a raise. Lombardi left the office for a short period of time and came back to tell Ringo to ask his new boss (the Redskins) for the raise.

The real winner in the Winslow decision has to be the Seahawks. They gave very little compensation for the fourth-most targeted tight end in the NFL last year behind Jimmy Graham, Brandon Pettigrew and Rob Gronkowski.

There was speculation no one would trade for Winslow with his contract, but keep in mind it is an unguaranteed deal with three years left on it. The Seahawks could cut him this summer and only be out a seventh round pick. They could easily recoup a seventh by trading down in the sixth round next year. By trading for Winslow, Seattle didn't have to get in a battle with any other team for his services, which made it a no-brainer.

From a football perspective, the Seahawks just became a dangerous 12 personnel team (1 running back, 2 tight ends, and 2 wide receivers). With Winslow, Seattle gets a hybrid player that can create matchup problems for most opponents.

In the last three years Winslow hasn't missed a game, he has 68 receptions on third downs, 74 receptions and six touchdowns in the fourth quarter and 163 receptions and 10 touchdowns when the Bucs were losing.

No signing bonus! No guaranteed money! The Seahawks picked up Marshawn Lynch a few years ago in a trade for a fourth-round pick and how did that work out for them?

This story really spells it out well. Kudos to Seattle. Fantasy owners have been down on Winslow for a variety of reasons, but in real football, he is a still a darn good talent even with his injuries. And they got him for almost nothing with very little risk. The more I think about this, the more I think he will be given a chance to do something in Seattle.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Great guy that Kellen Winslow, props to Seattle!

But seriously, I said it before and I'll say it again, Seattle is the place for all good TE's go to watch their career die.

 

[gump]

This is a very interesting take. It is the Eli Manning and Shockey effect of why TB moved Winslow.

http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=67173

This was discussed locally hours after Schiano was hired. This trade certainly had nothing to do with KW's absence at OTAs.It's also a new offense run by a guy who likes to run and take shots downfield, so 2011 target numbers dont seem to mean much to the Bucs side of the equation.

 

[Nero]

Because the player has a bad contract so they have no intention of honoring it? Would you pay for a used couch when the exact same couch would be in the free section on craigslist?  In some cases where they can negotiate with the player and sign an acceptable deal it is worth it to guarantee they get their guy. To me; it seems Seattle plans on honoring kw2's deal

Plans on honoring it in 2012. K2 would have to have a big year for Seattle to keep him atvhis 2013 salary.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I love how jealous everyone has been over what the Hawks are doing.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I love how jealous everyone has been over what the Hawks are doing.

I'm on board the Seattle 2012 division title train

 

[ImTheScientist]

I love how jealous everyone has been over what the Hawks are doing.

I'm on board the Seattle 2012 division title train

 

[cacksman]

So much disinformation in this thread is ridiculous. Once a team trades a player the original team takes the cap hit as they were obligated to the contract. Seattle risks nothing here

If he makes the opening day roster, he's guaranteed $3.3M. That's a little pricey for a #2 TE

I agree...do they really think the demand for him after he got cut (which he eventually would have) would really be that high to where the "bidding war" for his services would go over $3 mil....seriously...?to me, the play here here was to wait until he got cut and then try to sign him....if you do lose out, which I think would have been unlikely....then you move on to plan B and grab another TE like Shiancoe or somebody if you really need a mid level TE....

Why is 3 mil going to matter? It's not as if Seattle is going to suddenly miss out on other players by saving money this year. Seattle has been among the leaders in cap room the past few years and this year is no exception. The fact that John Carlson is making $5 million a year over the next 5 years, makes Winslow's contract not bad at all.