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Bud Selig: Hall of Famer? (1 Viewer)

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Smack Tripper

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Bud has presided over enough car-wreckery in baseball for three lifetimes. To hear his sanctimonious a-rod schlipel and his attempts to toss red meat to the masses by threatening to revoke records HE HIMSELF had the power to attempt to protect in the long term and short term(suspend Bonds when he was under suspicion).

He's out to me, but here's an article by Mike Vaccaro making a case for him:

PORT ST. LUCIE - Would you like to know a sure-fire way to ensure that my e-mail inbox will fill to overflowing by the time breakfast gives way to brunch this morning? By typing the following sentence:

Bud Selig should be in the Hall of Fame someday.

Yep. That would unleash the hounds. That would get some blood boiling but good, because there is nothing - and I mean nothing - that gets a whole lot of baseball fans as riled up as the idea that someone might actually defend the good that Selig has done during his tenure, even if that good is significant.

Even if, on Selig's watch, baseball has expanded its playoff system to three tiers, ensuring a wall-to-wall October. Even if the advent of the wild card has kept more teams every year believing in glory later in every year. Even if the game's coffers are more swollen than anything anyone could have imagined even 20 years ago, because MLB's business is booming just about everywhere, even in a bust economy. Under Selig, baseball has been ahead of the curve in just about everything - new media, minority interviewing and hiring and, yes, even drug testing - when you line it up against the other sports.

It's a hell of a resume. It really is.

Now, we could stage a whole other debate whether commissioners should even be inducted into Cooperstown. There are four of them presently enshrined in baseball's hallowed hall, and you could argue against just about all of them.

Kenesaw Mountain Landis is credited with re-establishing baseball's credibility after the 1919 Black Sox scandal, but he also was as responsible as anyone for keeping the game lily-white until 1947. Happy Chandler did strong-arm certain Dixified players to keep playing during the game's initial hours of integration when some of them were grumbling about boycotting games involving Jackie Robinson, but it hardly seems right that "doing the decent thing" should be a requirement for gaining a plaque. Ford Frick is in, and if anybody deserves an asterisk for anything, it should be for this: "Ford Frick, Hall of Famer*." And Bowie Kuhn somehow was elected last year, and I'm still not sure that wasn't some kind of drunken practical joke gone awry; the idea that Kuhn is in and Marvin Miller isn't is as appalling a miscarriage of sporting justice as there is.

OK.

So if you are going to include commissioners in the Hall of Fame at all, and you already have four awfully dubious precedents, it's almost impossible not to conclude that Bud Selig, for all his bad press, for all his PR gaffes through the years, merits at least strong consideration from the men who will evaluate his credentials whenever the time comes.

But here is the thing, and it is a thing that likely will save my e-mail server from blowing a fuse this morning:

Bud Selig can't be in the Hall of Fame. Not now. Not after what we know about steroids. Not after the way we have treated every other perp in this sad conspiracy.

And here's why: because if we are going to randomly and wantonly administer frontier justice for now and for the next 25 or 30 years when it comes to evaluating the conveyor belt of steroid cheats - including both those who actually have been caught and those (such as Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa, whom Selig all but formally adopted 11 years ago) who simply have been strongly linked to the juice - then the same rules and standards must be applied to the man who allowed all of this madness to go on, unchecked, unpunished, for so many years.

If we are going to treat steroids as a death-penalty offense for legends and their legacies - not a shoo-in, but that certainly does seem to be where we're all leaning judging by the leper treatment Mark McGwire has gotten thus far - then we have to extend those same discourtesies to the sheriff who looked the other way. Extend them to the man who saw what was happening to his post-strike game and not only raised no flags, but asked no questions. None for the record, anyway.

Now, every time another cheat is exposed, we get another round of angry rhetoric from the commissioner. "What Alex did was wrong and he will have to live with the damage he has done to his name and reputation," he said of A-Rod's public revelation and subsequent concession, and that's all fine and it's well and it's good. But it comes up a few bucks shy and a few years short.

Look, the thing I always have admired most about Selig was the fact that he is, at his core, at his heart, a fan. He really does bleed for the game. You can accuse him of anything you want. You can talk about World Series games that end past midnight and some that wind up washed out in a rainy haze, you always can reference the canceled '94 postseason, and every time, especially early in his tenure, when he came off as a stooge for ownership. But everything he has ever done has been with a love of the game in is heart.

And maybe that's the problem. Maybe if he had loved the game less, and sought to protect it more, he could have done something about the stain of steroids that stays with us now, that hangs around like the stench of a rancid meal. It's a shame. He should be in the Hall of Fame. But, then, so should a lot of baseball people who did their best work during the Steroid Era.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/02152009/sport...5283.htm?page=0
 
If the voters are going to continue to keep out the roid users, they have to keep out the guy that sat idly and watched it all happen instead of using his power to make it stop.

 
If the voters are going to continue to keep out the roid users, they have to keep out the guy that sat idly and watched it all happen instead of using his power to make it stop.
The president of the MLBPA probably won't make the HOF. HTH.
 
Here is my post from Bud Selig, Rate him as commissioner:

Notable things that happened under Selig:

1. He presided over the 230-day strike that canceled the end of the 1994 regular season. Aside from the general negatives associated with that, it killed Gwynn's chance at .400 and Matt Williams' chance at breaking Maris's home run record. It also ended the Expos' best season ever. And, of course, it also resulted in cancellation of the World Series for the first time in 90 years. It was the worst work stoppage in the history of professional sports. :penalty:

2. The use of steroids and performance enhancing drugs and associated controversy. Selig was far too slow to act on this issue and really only acted when he was forced to do so by public scrutiny. :shrug:

3. Divisional realignment. :thumbup:

4. Expansion - Diamondbacks and Rays. :thumbup:

5. Held a vote in 2001 on contracting the Twins and Expos. :thumbdown:

6. Wild Card. :thumbup:

7. Interleague play. Meh.

8. The World Baseball Classic. Meh.

9. World Series home field advantage determined by the All Star game. :thumbdown:

10. Luxury tax. IMO it is a weak attempt to address the dichotomy between rich and poor teams. :thumbdown:

11. Instant replay. Meh.

12. Financial turnaround of baseball during his tenure with a 400 percent increase in the revenue of MLB and annual record breaking attendance. :thumbup:

More :thumbdown: than :thumbup: . And the first two items on the list dwarf the rest IMO.
I would prefer he not make the HOF, but I suspect he will.
 
If the voters are going to continue to keep out the roid users, they have to keep out the guy that sat idly and watched it all happen instead of using his power to make it stop.
The president of the MLBPA probably won't make the HOF. HTH.
There was no reason for Fehr to act. It meant compromising his clients. On the other hand, Selig had the "integrity of the game" card at his disposal and never opted to use it.I don't care if doing so failed and failed miserably, he needed to make the players and the union the bad guys here. This was his only way of accomplishing that and he didn't do it.
 
Bud will never be in the HOF. As well as any of the current Baseball Owners. If you believe that they did not know what was going on then your blind.

If Fact Bud should be fired as commish ASAP.

 
If the voters are going to continue to keep out the roid users, they have to keep out the guy that sat idly and watched it all happen instead of using his power to make it stop.
The president of the MLBPA probably won't make the HOF. HTH.
There was no reason for Fehr to act. It meant compromising his clients. On the other hand, Selig had the "integrity of the game" card at his disposal and never opted to use it.I don't care if doing so failed and failed miserably, he needed to make the players and the union the bad guys here. This was his only way of accomplishing that and he didn't do it.
Yeah, 'cuz roided up players produce more stats which raises salaries for everyone while putting their membership at risk. But hey, it's all about the union. :goodposting: Another purpose of a union is to PROTECT their members from hazards. In that regard, Fehr failed since he and his conspirator Gene Orza liken it to smoking. :rolleyes:Yes, Selig is an idiot, but Fehr is just as (if not more) complicit.
 
If the voters are going to continue to keep out the roid users, they have to keep out the guy that sat idly and watched it all happen instead of using his power to make it stop.
The president of the MLBPA probably won't make the HOF. HTH.
There was no reason for Fehr to act. It meant compromising his clients. On the other hand, Selig had the "integrity of the game" card at his disposal and never opted to use it.I don't care if doing so failed and failed miserably, he needed to make the players and the union the bad guys here. This was his only way of accomplishing that and he didn't do it.
Yeah, 'cuz roided up players produce more stats which raises salaries for everyone while putting their membership at risk. But hey, it's all about the union. :goodposting: Another purpose of a union is to PROTECT their members from hazards. In that regard, Fehr failed since he and his conspirator Gene Orza liken it to smoking. :lmao:Yes, Selig is an idiot, but Fehr is just as (if not more) complicit.
The union is there to protect the members from hazards in the workplace. This was not a team doctor shooting these guys up with a directive from team / league management. This was players doing this stuff on their own. How, or better yet, why is the union supposed to police that?
 
Unfortunately his accomplishments, and he has had several, will be overshadowed by his shortcomings. I actually take him at his word that he was clueless about the PEDs issue for a long time. I just don't think he's very bright. He's also very weak. If Gene Upshawn was the owner's ##### in the NFL, Selig is the Unions ##### in MLB. The guy had no spine until he had the weight of Congress behind him. I think he meant well, but is just too stupid and weak to do the job he needed to.

My favorite thing that he did was expanding the playoffs from 4 teams to 8 and adding the wildcard. Since achieving competitive balance through a salary cap and/or greater revenue sharing is apparently never going to happen, opening the door for 4 more teams to make the playoffs gives the small market fan a little more hope.

 
Limp Ditka said:
Tom Servo said:
If the voters are going to continue to keep out the roid users, they have to keep out the guy that sat idly and watched it all happen instead of using his power to make it stop.
The president of the MLBPA probably won't make the HOF. HTH.
There was no reason for Fehr to act. It meant compromising his clients. On the other hand, Selig had the "integrity of the game" card at his disposal and never opted to use it.I don't care if doing so failed and failed miserably, he needed to make the players and the union the bad guys here. This was his only way of accomplishing that and he didn't do it.
Yeah, 'cuz roided up players produce more stats which raises salaries for everyone while putting their membership at risk. But hey, it's all about the union. :rolleyes: Another purpose of a union is to PROTECT their members from hazards. In that regard, Fehr failed since he and his conspirator Gene Orza liken it to smoking. :rolleyes:Yes, Selig is an idiot, but Fehr is just as (if not more) complicit.
The union is there to protect the members from hazards in the workplace. This was not a team doctor shooting these guys up with a directive from team / league management. This was players doing this stuff on their own. How, or better yet, why is the union supposed to police that?
The players were in a terrible position in all this. Either break the law and expose yourself to potentially dangerous drugs, or kiss your millions goodbye because you'll be competing at a disadvantage. Fehr chose to protect the cheaters instead of the clean players. I can only assume that's because there were so many more of the former. The clean players should have insisted on the testing. The cheaters are taking money right out of their pocket.
 
Limp Ditka said:
Tom Servo said:
If the voters are going to continue to keep out the roid users, they have to keep out the guy that sat idly and watched it all happen instead of using his power to make it stop.
The president of the MLBPA probably won't make the HOF. HTH.
There was no reason for Fehr to act. It meant compromising his clients. On the other hand, Selig had the "integrity of the game" card at his disposal and never opted to use it.I don't care if doing so failed and failed miserably, he needed to make the players and the union the bad guys here. This was his only way of accomplishing that and he didn't do it.
Yeah, 'cuz roided up players produce more stats which raises salaries for everyone while putting their membership at risk. But hey, it's all about the union. :rolleyes: Another purpose of a union is to PROTECT their members from hazards. In that regard, Fehr failed since he and his conspirator Gene Orza liken it to smoking. :rolleyes:Yes, Selig is an idiot, but Fehr is just as (if not more) complicit.
The union is there to protect the members from hazards in the workplace. This was not a team doctor shooting these guys up with a directive from team / league management. This was players doing this stuff on their own. How, or better yet, why is the union supposed to police that?
Just a wild guess here, but how about by supporting drug testing instead of fighting it claiming to protect the players "privacy"?
 

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