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Bump Derrick Mason up in your rankings (1 Viewer)
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zenzephyros
Footballguy
The Ref
Footballguy
Sorry man, The Mason Train already left the station the moment McNair was traded, and it's been picking up steam this preseason.He's my main groan canidate for 2006. He's going to be the guy you take a half a round early then the book says and everyone in the room is going to groan about it.Mods, please delete this thread....and all mention of Derrick Mason in the past and the future. Everyone, just hush up!
zamboni
Footballguy
I like that analogy.
oddball
Smart
Oh, I know...I'm doing the best I can on the fantasy football's version of damage control...Sorry man, The Mason Train already left the station the moment McNair was traded, and it's been picking up steam this preseason.He's my main groan canidate for 2006. He's going to be the guy you take a half a round early then the book says and everyone in the room is going to groan about it.Mods, please delete this thread....and all mention of Derrick Mason in the past and the future. Everyone, just hush up!
Cool in the pocket
Footballguy
He's more valuable in a PPR league cuz his TD's may not turn out to be that great, but he'll probably haul in 80 or 90 balls.
zamboni
Footballguy
True, but given how variable TDs are, I'll take a guy that can catch 80-90 balls any day. You never know how many could turn into the TD variety.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
The Mason train left the station sometime in February.The Ref said:Sorry man, The Mason Train already left the station the moment McNair was traded, and it's been picking up steam this preseason.oddball said:Mods, please delete this thread....and all mention of Derrick Mason in the past and the future. Everyone, just hush up!
Callas Disregard
Footballguy
February 2003, that is.The Mason train left the station sometime in February.The Ref said:Sorry man, The Mason Train already left the station the moment McNair was traded, and it's been picking up steam this preseason.oddball said:Mods, please delete this thread....and all mention of Derrick Mason in the past and the future. Everyone, just hush up!
hutchins929
Footballguy
I have him on my team as well!!! Check out my recieversM. Harrison INDD. Jax SEAR. Williams DETD. Mason BALIn My League We Start 3 WR'sNah, talk all you want, he's already on my team as WR2!!!!!oddball said:Mods, please delete this thread....and all mention of Derrick Mason in the past and the future. Everyone, just hush up!
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Said above is that even if he doesn't get many TDs, hauling in 80-90 catches will give him incredible value.... last year he went for 86 1073 3 for 204 fantasy points... Yeah, not bad, but not some great fantasy player that everyone expects him to be.Even if he repeats his 80-90 catches, he needs those TDs... and I just don't think he'll get them with Lewis and Heap around
Move him back down fellas
WR 3 for meNah, talk all you want, he's already on my team as WR2!!!!!oddball said:Mods, please delete this thread....and all mention of Derrick Mason in the past and the future. Everyone, just hush up!
Cool in the pocket
Footballguy
Missed the PPR part huh?
PilesOfSand
Footballguy
No, I'm pretty sure he didn't.Missed the PPR part huh?
Interseptopus
Footballguy
86+107+18... minus one fumble lost... Somehow in my league that equals 204 fantasy points, tho when I do the math it comes to 209. Regardless, no Jr, I didn't miss the PPR part. Tons of catches doesn't equal startable fantasy stats. 13 fantasy points per week... yikes. Sorry, but I hope my #2 WR pulls in at least 15 per week. I want to winMissed the PPR part huh?
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Cool in the pocket
Footballguy
So a guy who never had less than 5 TD's with McNair in Tenn, but is a virtual lock for 80-90 catches, 1000 yards has no place because of limited upside. TD's are the hardest thing to predict, ask Reggie Wayne who was drafted as borderline a WR1 and put up 83/1055/5 last year. TD's are gold, no doubt, but they are very unpredictable even at the very top of the WR position. Torry Holt wasn't far off this status a while ago--tons of catches + tons of yards, but limited TD's. Now he is being lauded as WR#1 by many because of his consistency. Tons of catches = tons of opps for TD's = which equals FF success. Would you rather hang your hat on the guy who gets less opps? No one is saying put him the tier 2 guys with Chambers, Roy...but he absolutely belongs with the Rod Smith's and Kennison's of the world who are consistently overlooked/undervalued because of limited upside. McNair is a crazy upgrade over Boller, not only as a QB, but a leader too and has built in chemistry with McNair. You are freakin nuts not to consider this guy when he can be had as a possible WR3 with an average ADP of 6.3 (10 teams) that will get you ONLY 12 points, with upside, almost guaranteed every week.86+107+18... minus one fumble lost... Somehow in my league that equals 204 fantasy points, tho when I do the math it comes to 209. Regardless, no Jr, I didn't miss the PPR part. Tons of catches doesn't equal startable fantasy stats. 13 fantasy points per week... yikes. Sorry, but I hope my #2 WR pulls in at least 15 per week. I want to winMissed the PPR part huh?
Even if he repeats his 80-90 catches, he needs those TDs... and I just don't think he'll get them with Lewis and Heap around
Move him back down fellas
H.K.
Footballguy
15 FPG = 240 on the year. Only 9 WRs did better than that last season.209 FP = WR 19 last year, a solid WR2Basically, I'm
over your point, here...cybergourmet
Footballguy
I'd look at receptions as an indicator of potential TDs... and past TDs as that.
I have D-Jax and want D-Mason...
but who really knows. Hammy city baby.
I have D-Jax and want D-Mason...
but who really knows. Hammy city baby.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I'm not saying he doesnt have upside... I think he could be a great steal this season. Taking him as your #2 WR puts a lot of hope in McNair... someone who hasn't been able to stay healthy for the last 3 seasons. It's kind of funny how someone like McNair can be thought of as "the answer" for Baltimore... I highly disagree. Baltimore has been able to get it done with Trent Dilfer. What used to make McNair such a threat was his ability to scramble and rush. He was one of the first in the age of "Michael Vick QBs." Today you won't see him scramble as much... in fact, his rushes are down by over 50% last season. I think Boller is a much better QB than McNair. He showed us towards the end of the season. He has a MUCH stronger arm than him. The only thing McNair brings is experience, which shouldn't be sold short, but when you're talking McNair these days, you're not talking bombs to Derrick Mason that we used to see long ago... I just think Boller is a better talent than McNair, although you are correct, McNair brings more to the table than Boller. I just think it's entertaining how you everyone says McNair is the answer, acting like he's the second coming.So a guy who never had less than 5 TD's with McNair in Tenn, but is a virtual lock for 80-90 catches, 1000 yards has no place because of limited upside. TD's are the hardest thing to predict, ask Reggie Wayne who was drafted as borderline a WR1 and put up 83/1055/5 last year. TD's are gold, no doubt, but they are very unpredictable even at the very top of the WR position. Torry Holt wasn't far off this status a while ago--tons of catches + tons of yards, but limited TD's. Now he is being lauded as WR#1 by many because of his consistency. Tons of catches = tons of opps for TD's = which equals FF success. Would you rather hang your hat on the guy who gets less opps? No one is saying put him the tier 2 guys with Chambers, Roy...but he absolutely belongs with the Rod Smith's and Kennison's of the world who are consistently overlooked/undervalued because of limited upside. McNair is a crazy upgrade over Boller, not only as a QB, but a leader too and has built in chemistry with McNair. You are freakin nuts not to consider this guy when he can be had as a possible WR3 with an average ADP of 6.3 (10 teams) that will get you ONLY 12 points, with upside, almost guaranteed every week.86+107+18... minus one fumble lost... Somehow in my league that equals 204 fantasy points, tho when I do the math it comes to 209. Regardless, no Jr, I didn't miss the PPR part. Tons of catches doesn't equal startable fantasy stats. 13 fantasy points per week... yikes. Sorry, but I hope my #2 WR pulls in at least 15 per week. I want to winMissed the PPR part huh?
Even if he repeats his 80-90 catches, he needs those TDs... and I just don't think he'll get them with Lewis and Heap around
Move him back down fellas
Yes, Mason as a WR3 would be a great option- you're right anyone would be "freaking nuts" not to take him as their #3 WR. I was mainly pointing out that putting your hopes in Mason as your #2 WR... well you can do MUCH MUCH better. One thing I have learned the last 9 years doing fantasy football is that if you put your hopes in "potential" and "upside"... you're going to be caught with your pants down. Not everyone with "upside" comes through as great as you thought they would.
"Solid" #2 WR? Sorry, but WR19 makes for a "bottom of the barrel" #2 WR. a "solid" WR2 is someone in the 11-15 range. In my league last season, Kennison and McCardell scored above and below Mason... finishing off the top 20 in my league. How many of you can say that you would be comfortable with McCardell or Kennison as your #2 WR? #3, yeah for sure, in fact I had McCardell as my #3 last year. Of course, I can see Mason improving his numbers to be an average #2 WR... but if you want to win you're going to try and get a great #1 and a great #2...15 FPG = 240 on the year. Only 9 WRs did better than that last season.209 FP = WR 19 last year, a solid WR2
Basically, I'm
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H.K.
Footballguy
2005 PPR Final Stats14. Houshmandzadeh, T.J. 226.8
15. Glenn, Terry DAL 223.2
16. Wayne, Reggie IND WR 218.5
17. McCardell, Keenan SDC 215.9
18. Kennison, Eddie KCC 211.5
19. Mason, Derrick BAL 210.3
20. Moss, Randy OAK 208.5
The difference between a "Bottom of the barrel" WR2 like Mason, and a "solid" WR2 like Houshmanzadeh or Glenn was roughly one point a game.
Are the games in your league that close?
Besides, Moss and Wayne were probably drafted way ahead of Mason and they finished behind him with Boller as QB. No offense, but I am still not sold on your argument.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Yeah, actually a lot of games in my league are decided by a few points. Every point matters, especially in a money leagueMoss finsihed behind Mason, yes, but Moss also didn't play every game last season. I distinctly remember him starting in some games just to keep his consecutive start streak alive- or whatever that was. I think it was against GB where he started the first play and then was taken out. I thought that was pretty cheap. Moss was hampered by injury and on a new team... you can put money on it that Moss is better this season (but maybe not after watching Aaron Brooks....)Here's my top 20 WR this season (and I'm not hear to debate them, just listing off who I think is better than Mason)C. JohnsonTOFitzgeraldHoltSmithHarrisonR. MossRoy WilliamsChambersBoldinWardBurressA. JohnsonDriverWayneS. MossHoushmandzadehJ. WalkerGallowayBranch (if he ever reports)Mason at 21If you disagree, then we can agree to disagree. I just don't think he's as solid #2 WR as people are making him to be. His ADP is better than a lot of those in my top 20 as far as value goes. If you can get him fairly late, then that's awesome. Good steal for you... I just think a lot of people in this thread are talking him up like he's going to be a 10-15 WR, I just don't see that happening with the WRs I listed above him
Cool in the pocket
Footballguy
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He's more valuable in a PPR league cuz his TD's may not turn out to be that great, but he'll probably haul in 80 or 90 balls.
QUOTE(Ro3384 @ Aug 18 2006, 01:34 PM) *
rolleyes1.gif Said above is that even if he doesn't get many TDs, hauling in 80-90 catches will give him incredible value.... last year he went for 86 1073 3 for 204 fantasy points... Yeah, not bad, but not some great fantasy player that everyone expects him to be.
Even if he repeats his 80-90 catches, he needs those TDs... and I just don't think he'll get them with Lewis and Heap around
Move him back down fellas
Missed the PPR part huh?
86+107+18... minus one fumble lost... Somehow in my league that equals 204 fantasy points, tho when I do the math it comes to 209. Regardless, no Jr, I didn't miss the PPR part. Tons of catches doesn't equal startable fantasy stats. 13 fantasy points per week... yikes. Sorry, but I hope my #2 WR pulls in at least 15 per week. I want to win
So a guy who never had less than 5 TD's with McNair in Tenn, but is a virtual lock for 80-90 catches, 1000 yards has no place because of limited upside. TD's are the hardest thing to predict, ask Reggie Wayne who was drafted as borderline a WR1 and put up 83/1055/5 last year. TD's are gold, no doubt, but they are very unpredictable even at the very top of the WR position. Torry Holt wasn't far off this status a while ago--tons of catches + tons of yards, but limited TD's. Now he is being lauded as WR#1 by many because of his consistency. Tons of catches = tons of opps for TD's = which equals FF success. Would you rather hang your hat on the guy who gets less opps? No one is saying put him the tier 2 guys with Chambers, Roy...but he absolutely belongs with the Rod Smith's and Kennison's of the world who are consistently overlooked/undervalued because of limited upside. McNair is a crazy upgrade over Boller, not only as a QB, but a leader too and has built in chemistry with McNair. You are freakin nuts not to consider this guy when he can be had as a possible WR3 with an average ADP of 6.3 (10 teams) that will get you ONLY 12 points, with upside, almost guaranteed every week.
I'm not saying he doesnt have upside... I think he could be a great steal this season. Taking him as your #2 WR puts a lot of hope in McNair... someone who hasn't been able to stay healthy for the last 3 seasons. It's kind of funny how someone like McNair can be thought of as "the answer" for Baltimore... I highly disagree. Baltimore has been able to get it done with Trent Dilfer. What used to make McNair such a threat was his ability to scramble and rush. He was one of the first in the age of "Michael Vick QBs." Today you won't see him scramble as much... in fact, his rushes are down by over 50% last season. I think Boller is a much better QB than McNair. He showed us towards the end of the season. He has a MUCH stronger arm than him. The only thing McNair brings is experience, which shouldn't be sold short, but when you're talking McNair these days, you're not talking bombs to Derrick Mason that we used to see long ago... I just think Boller is a better talent than McNair, although you are correct, McNair brings more to the table than Boller. I just think it's entertaining how you everyone says McNair is the answer, acting like he's the second coming.
Yes, Mason as a WR3 would be a great option- you're right anyone would be "freaking nuts" not to take him as their #3 WR. I was mainly pointing out that putting your hopes in Mason as your #2 WR... well you can do MUCH MUCH better. One thing I have learned the last 9 years doing fantasy football is that if you put your hopes in "potential" and "upside"... you're going to be caught with your pants down. Not everyone with "upside" comes through as great as you thought they would.
If I understand correctly, you feel Boller is a better QB than McNair, but McNair brings more to the table. Would you say that McNair is an upgrade to the Baltimore offense? Boller threw 11 TD's last year and doesn't even average 1 TD a game over his career. I think that McNair is a vast improvement, maybe less so as a QB (maybe not), but huge in leadership/intangibles and this will rub off on his team, IMHO. My point about Mason was he is the guy with limited upside and I think those guys can help you win at FF because they fly under the radar and can easily outperform their draft spot a la Kennison and Smith. Getting Mason as WR2 would be OK, but he prolly won't turn in a WR1 return, but as a WR3, he could reasonably turn in a WR2 performance.
QUOTE(Ro3384 @ Aug 18 2006, 01:53 PM) *
QUOTE(Cool in the pocket @ Aug 18 2006, 12:45 PM) *
QUOTE(Cool in the pocket @ Aug 18 2006, 01:21 PM) *
He's more valuable in a PPR league cuz his TD's may not turn out to be that great, but he'll probably haul in 80 or 90 balls.
QUOTE(Ro3384 @ Aug 18 2006, 01:34 PM) *
rolleyes1.gif Said above is that even if he doesn't get many TDs, hauling in 80-90 catches will give him incredible value.... last year he went for 86 1073 3 for 204 fantasy points... Yeah, not bad, but not some great fantasy player that everyone expects him to be.
Even if he repeats his 80-90 catches, he needs those TDs... and I just don't think he'll get them with Lewis and Heap around
Move him back down fellas
Missed the PPR part huh?
86+107+18... minus one fumble lost... Somehow in my league that equals 204 fantasy points, tho when I do the math it comes to 209. Regardless, no Jr, I didn't miss the PPR part. Tons of catches doesn't equal startable fantasy stats. 13 fantasy points per week... yikes. Sorry, but I hope my #2 WR pulls in at least 15 per week. I want to win
So a guy who never had less than 5 TD's with McNair in Tenn, but is a virtual lock for 80-90 catches, 1000 yards has no place because of limited upside. TD's are the hardest thing to predict, ask Reggie Wayne who was drafted as borderline a WR1 and put up 83/1055/5 last year. TD's are gold, no doubt, but they are very unpredictable even at the very top of the WR position. Torry Holt wasn't far off this status a while ago--tons of catches + tons of yards, but limited TD's. Now he is being lauded as WR#1 by many because of his consistency. Tons of catches = tons of opps for TD's = which equals FF success. Would you rather hang your hat on the guy who gets less opps? No one is saying put him the tier 2 guys with Chambers, Roy...but he absolutely belongs with the Rod Smith's and Kennison's of the world who are consistently overlooked/undervalued because of limited upside. McNair is a crazy upgrade over Boller, not only as a QB, but a leader too and has built in chemistry with McNair. You are freakin nuts not to consider this guy when he can be had as a possible WR3 with an average ADP of 6.3 (10 teams) that will get you ONLY 12 points, with upside, almost guaranteed every week.
I'm not saying he doesnt have upside... I think he could be a great steal this season. Taking him as your #2 WR puts a lot of hope in McNair... someone who hasn't been able to stay healthy for the last 3 seasons. It's kind of funny how someone like McNair can be thought of as "the answer" for Baltimore... I highly disagree. Baltimore has been able to get it done with Trent Dilfer. What used to make McNair such a threat was his ability to scramble and rush. He was one of the first in the age of "Michael Vick QBs." Today you won't see him scramble as much... in fact, his rushes are down by over 50% last season. I think Boller is a much better QB than McNair. He showed us towards the end of the season. He has a MUCH stronger arm than him. The only thing McNair brings is experience, which shouldn't be sold short, but when you're talking McNair these days, you're not talking bombs to Derrick Mason that we used to see long ago... I just think Boller is a better talent than McNair, although you are correct, McNair brings more to the table than Boller. I just think it's entertaining how you everyone says McNair is the answer, acting like he's the second coming.
Yes, Mason as a WR3 would be a great option- you're right anyone would be "freaking nuts" not to take him as their #3 WR. I was mainly pointing out that putting your hopes in Mason as your #2 WR... well you can do MUCH MUCH better. One thing I have learned the last 9 years doing fantasy football is that if you put your hopes in "potential" and "upside"... you're going to be caught with your pants down. Not everyone with "upside" comes through as great as you thought they would.
If I understand correctly, you feel Boller is a better QB than McNair, but McNair brings more to the table. Would you say that McNair is an upgrade to the Baltimore offense? Boller threw 11 TD's last year and doesn't even average 1 TD a game over his career. I think that McNair is a vast improvement, maybe less so as a QB (maybe not), but huge in leadership/intangibles and this will rub off on his team, IMHO. My point about Mason was he is the guy with limited upside and I think those guys can help you win at FF because they fly under the radar and can easily outperform their draft spot a la Kennison and Smith. Getting Mason as WR2 would be OK, but he prolly won't turn in a WR1 return, but as a WR3, he could reasonably turn in a WR2 performance.
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H.K.
Footballguy
Excellent rebuttal. At the end of the day, while I won't comment on your rankings, it says a lot that you put them out there, so good for you. Different owners place different rankings on players. Its what makes the hobby worthwhile.
inca911
Footballguy
The McNair to Mason combo is back in Baltimore.
I expect 1000-1200 yards, 6-8 TDs, with a lot of upside potential.
Mason had 86 catches last year. Here's the short list of WRs with more catches last year:
S.Smith 103
Fitzgerald 103
Holt 102
Boldin 102
Chad Johnson 97
Mason 86
Good company, yes? This kind of production is golden in a ppr league.
Mason was #15 in total yards last year with Kyle Boller and Anthony Wright throwing to him. He's been over 1000 yards every year since 2001. McNair is a huge upgrade over those two QBs, not to mention their chemistry and history. McNair missed a couple games last year, and was still #12 in total yards for all QBs. McNair's only 33, and Mason is 31 so there's still gas in the tank. I like Mason a lot in ppr leagues.
I expect 1000-1200 yards, 6-8 TDs, with a lot of upside potential.
Mason had 86 catches last year. Here's the short list of WRs with more catches last year:
S.Smith 103
Fitzgerald 103
Holt 102
Boldin 102
Chad Johnson 97
Mason 86
Good company, yes? This kind of production is golden in a ppr league.
Mason was #15 in total yards last year with Kyle Boller and Anthony Wright throwing to him. He's been over 1000 yards every year since 2001. McNair is a huge upgrade over those two QBs, not to mention their chemistry and history. McNair missed a couple games last year, and was still #12 in total yards for all QBs. McNair's only 33, and Mason is 31 so there's still gas in the tank. I like Mason a lot in ppr leagues.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
If McNair can stay healthy 14 out of the 16 games this season, then yes I think McNair is an upgrade for the entire Baltimore offense. Knowing the game, how to read defenses, etc is going to be huge for that offense, and for Mason as well. I think Mason is a guy who can very well outperform his ADP. If someone can grab him as their #3 WR, I think that's a steal and you've got a fantastic team built. He's one of those solid, but not superstud guys that can take you far in your league. I think it's incorrect however for guys to be drafting him as their #2 wr and expecting top 10 or 15 WR dividends.
As HK has shown, the difference between him and the 15th WR last year was 1 point per game... and those guys will go much higher in the draft than Mason. That's why I think he can make an excellent #3 WR.
Maybe I'm in my auction draft mode more than a typical draft mode... maybe it's impossible to get Mason as a #3 WR. I'm used to having everyone availible to me and not having to decide, do I go RB/RB/WR?WR or RB/WR/RB/WR? I just grab who I want for the price I want them at... which makes Mason as a #3 WR very possible.
It all depends what kind of risk. Mason has a lot of risk, but a lot of reward
Cool in the pocket
Footballguy
So it looks like we can agree that getting Mason as a WR3 is probably value and as a WR2 means we probably aren't everything else being equal?
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Did not read the thread (only the title), but he WILL NOT represent value for anyone drafting after their last preseason game. I had him at WR #13 about a month ago, maybe moving him up a notch or two now (in PPR).
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
definately. It'll be interesting to watch his season for sure. I'm not a believer in the Ravens, but I definately welcome the opportunity to be proved wrong!So it looks like we can agree that getting Mason as a WR3 is probably value and as a WR2 means we probably aren't everything else being equal?
good post. the longer people wait for their drafts the less chance they have and making a steal like this.We had our draft back on JULY 23... way too early for us, we typically do it around this weekend. I found myself able to get much better steals than I have in recent years. My team would be MUCH different if we had waited until this weekend
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
Mason is my wr3/4 I have HOLT S.MOSS ROY W. and D.MASON with GONZO/TROUPE in a 12 team ppr dynasty.....too bad my rb's SUX!!!!!!!!!!
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Ro3384, are you in a 10 team or 12 team league?
Nah, talk all you want, he's already on my team as WR2!!!!!oddball said:Mods, please delete this thread....and all mention of Derrick Mason in the past and the future. Everyone, just hush up!
True dat. Somehow got him in the 8th to go along with Boldin and DJax. Driver in the 7th and Coles in the 11th to round it out...most happy about Mason still being there.
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
WOW and i thought my crew was nice but BOLDIN DJAX DRIVER MASON and COLES is nice.
I originally had HOLT ROY HOUSH MASON MUSHIN and MOULDS in my ppr league....gone are Housh Mushin and Moulds. though
I originally had HOLT ROY HOUSH MASON MUSHIN and MOULDS in my ppr league....gone are Housh Mushin and Moulds. though
McNair is a huge upgrade over Boller. The defense can't just load up on the run or McNair will make them pay. He obviously has chemistry with Mason, but he has been working well with Heap through training camp. McNair inspires confidence in his teamates, Boller is a joke.
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Jayrod
Footballguy
I love the Baltimore offense this year.
I think McNair IS the answer for their offensive woes. With a solid and proven leader at QB, a healthy and "not facing jail time" RB in Lewis, a stud TE in Heap, two good WR's in Mason & Clayton and a good O-line anchored by Ogden, they will produce some good numbers.
All of this adds up to a better than recent years season for Mason, the go-to WR. I'm predicting 90 catches for 1,100 yds & 6 TD's. That's works out to 14.5 ppg which is pretty good WR#2 scoring and great #3.
I think McNair IS the answer for their offensive woes. With a solid and proven leader at QB, a healthy and "not facing jail time" RB in Lewis, a stud TE in Heap, two good WR's in Mason & Clayton and a good O-line anchored by Ogden, they will produce some good numbers.
All of this adds up to a better than recent years season for Mason, the go-to WR. I'm predicting 90 catches for 1,100 yds & 6 TD's. That's works out to 14.5 ppg which is pretty good WR#2 scoring and great #3.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
10. In a 12 I would conceed and say that yes he makes a solid #2 WR
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
That is probably why you got some static in this thread.When stating that a WR19 is a "bottom of the barrel" WR2, it is probably helpful to clarify that you are referring to a 10-team league. While 10-teamers are common, I would guess that at least 65% of the posts in the Shark Pool are directed towards 12-team leagues.You should always assume your Shark Pool audience thinks you are talking about 12-team leagues unless you clarify.
SteelerMurf
Footballguy
I don't think he will score a lot of TDs but if McNair plays a full season he easily tops 90 receptions. PPR leagues he is skyrocketing up the list, but in balanced scoring, not shooting up quite as much.
That would have made an interesting thread a little while back, but with everyone in draft mode now, I'd expect people wouldn't be as willing to offer their favorite candidates.The Ref said:Sorry man, The Mason Train already left the station the moment McNair was traded, and it's been picking up steam this preseason.He's my main groan canidate for 2006. He's going to be the guy you take a half a round early then the book says and everyone in the room is going to groan about it.oddball said:Mods, please delete this thread....and all mention of Derrick Mason in the past and the future. Everyone, just hush up!
DropKick
Footballguy
Seems you had to stretch to find 20 "better"... Lots of guys have question marks; Walker, Galloway, Branch? A guy coming off a major injury; an older guy coming off a career year (who should return to the norm) and a hold-out? Most leagues I've seen have at least 12 teams and a WR in the 18-20 range is certainly a servicable #2. And there is little separation within that range of receivers. A plus like the addition of McNair could give him a nice boost. "Bottom of the barrel"? I don't think I like that term. There is a tendency to throw labels around that aren't all that accurate. How many "studs" and "botom of the barrel" guys really fit that description?
I agree the Mason moving in the ranking should have began as soon as Mcnair was traded for. Mason was perennial top 10 for those seasons he started with mcnair, virtually always finishing in the top 10. TDs did lack last year, but when Kyle Boller is throwing you the ball, it's bound to happen. I'm not gonna say draft him over Owens or Johnson, but this is a guy to target for sure.
LOL at this guy talking about a 10 team league when everyone else is discussing a standard 12 team league. I won't go as far to make the comment he made to me yesterday..."Sheesh, it's people like this that shouldn't be allowed to breed...", but I will sort everything he has to the proper pile...the trash heap.
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