Maybe, but he is just what Eli needs, and we'll finally get a chance to see what Plax is made of as a WR1...I don't think he's worth it. Thats alot of cash for somebody who hasn't proved much in the NFL so far.
Why did Toomer leave NY too? Plax will still be 2nd fiddle (3rd if you count Shockey) in the passing game.Toomer and Plax are the top WR FAs in our keeper league and now both their values take a hit (even more with Eli under center)Maybe, but he is just what Eli needs, and we'll finally get a chance to see what Plax is made of as a WR1...I don't think he's worth it. Thats alot of cash for somebody who hasn't proved much in the NFL so far.
I disagree, I think Plax is the clear #1 now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up very solid numbers as Eli's primary target.Plax will still be 2nd fiddle (3rd if you count Shockey) in the passing game.
I disagree, I think Plax is the clear #1 now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up very solid numbers as Eli's primary target.Plax will still be 2nd fiddle (3rd if you count Shockey) in the passing game.
Toomer the #1, are you being serious?Why did Toomer leave NY too? Plax will still be 2nd fiddle (3rd if you count Shockey) in the passing game.Toomer and Plax are the top WR FAs in our keeper league and now both their values take a hit (even more with Eli under center)Maybe, but he is just what Eli needs, and we'll finally get a chance to see what Plax is made of as a WR1...I don't think he's worth it. Thats alot of cash for somebody who hasn't proved much in the NFL so far.
Toomer sucks. How many TD's last year? Plax may not be great, but it is an improvement over what they have-Why did Toomer leave NY too? Plax will still be 2nd fiddle (3rd if you count Shockey) in the passing game.Toomer and Plax are the top WR FAs in our keeper league and now both their values take a hit (even more with Eli under center)Maybe, but he is just what Eli needs, and we'll finally get a chance to see what Plax is made of as a WR1...I don't think he's worth it. Thats alot of cash for somebody who hasn't proved much in the NFL so far.
This is probably true.I can say categorically that Toomer is not a WR1 in an effective pass offense. He just is not enough of a threat to open up the rest of the field. Plax will draw the double teams in this offense, and Toomer will benefit nicely.Prior to last season Toomer had 5 straight 1,000 yard seasons. I would say his failure to reach that milestone this season can be attributed to a rookie QB and the presence of Tom Coughlin. He is not an all-pro but he does not suck. .
Plaxco's ability to stretch the field and draw safety help along with Shockey's presense in the middle of the field, are going to help Eli be much more comfortable than he was last year. Burress has already put up 1 season far better than Toomer's best season, and he was on an even better pace in his games with Roethlisberger last year. It'll also help the running game and reduce the pressure on the offensive line if they use play action.
As a passer, Eli is probably every bit as good as Roethlisberger, and he should have more time and room to throw next year. I also can say with 100% confidence that the Giants will pass more than the Steelers - especially the 2004 Steelers.
I see this as a clear upgrade in Burress' value. Not like it would've been in Minnesota, but still a pretty good situation for him.
Really? Then how were the Giants a top-10 passing offense (by yardage) for three years in a row before they got rid of Collins?I can say categorically that Toomer is not a WR1 in an effective pass offense. He just is not enough of a threat to open up the rest of the field.
I don't think last year was representative of what kind of skill these guys have as receivers. Eli was trying to settle in and the receivers were trying to get accustomed to a new style QB on the fly. Adding Burress into the mix is only going to open Toomer up much more. This can be a dangerous offensive team next year. Only thing holding them back is Coughlin's style.I disagree, I think Plax is the clear #1 now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up very solid numbers as Eli's primary target.Plax will still be 2nd fiddle (3rd if you count Shockey) in the passing game.Living in NY and watching plenty of the Giants, I've seen what good "receivers" Toomer and Dropsey are.
Eli connected with Jamaar Taylor on some nice deep passes late in the season - with Plax replacing Taylor in that situation I see tremendous improvementI don't think last year was representative of what kind of skill these guys have as receivers. Eli was trying to settle in and the receivers were trying to get accustomed to a new style QB on the fly. Adding Burress into the mix is only going to open Toomer up much more. This can be a dangerous offensive team next year. Only thing holding them back is Coughlin's style.I disagree, I think Plax is the clear #1 now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up very solid numbers as Eli's primary target.Plax will still be 2nd fiddle (3rd if you count Shockey) in the passing game.Living in NY and watching plenty of the Giants, I've seen what good "receivers" Toomer and Dropsey are.
Watching the G-men late last year, it seems Shockey is Eli's favorite receiver. Adding Burress into the mix is only going to open up the middle. Eli can now use his arm strength and actually air it out... should be an interesting thing to watch
I agree - Eli hit those passes to Taylor perfectly - Only problem was Taylor couldn't stay on the field enough to catch more than 2 of those.... Hopefully Burress doesn't get nagging injuries like last years.Eli connected with Jamaar Taylor on some nice deep passes late in the season - with Plax replacing Taylor in that situation I see tremendous improvementI don't think last year was representative of what kind of skill these guys have as receivers. Eli was trying to settle in and the receivers were trying to get accustomed to a new style QB on the fly. Adding Burress into the mix is only going to open Toomer up much more. This can be a dangerous offensive team next year. Only thing holding them back is Coughlin's style.I disagree, I think Plax is the clear #1 now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up very solid numbers as Eli's primary target.Plax will still be 2nd fiddle (3rd if you count Shockey) in the passing game.Living in NY and watching plenty of the Giants, I've seen what good "receivers" Toomer and Dropsey are.
Watching the G-men late last year, it seems Shockey is Eli's favorite receiver. Adding Burress into the mix is only going to open up the middle. Eli can now use his arm strength and actually air it out... should be an interesting thing to watch
AgreedI don't think last year was representative of what kind of skill these guys have as receivers. Eli was trying to settle in and the receivers were trying to get accustomed to a new style QB on the fly. Adding Burress into the mix is only going to open Toomer up much more. This can be a dangerous offensive team next year. Only thing holding them back is Coughlin's style.I disagree, I think Plax is the clear #1 now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up very solid numbers as Eli's primary target.Plax will still be 2nd fiddle (3rd if you count Shockey) in the passing game.Living in NY and watching plenty of the Giants, I've seen what good "receivers" Toomer and Dropsey are.
Watching the G-men late last year, it seems Shockey is Eli's favorite receiver. Adding Burress into the mix is only going to open up the middle. Eli can now use his arm strength and actually air it out... should be an interesting thing to watch
I would much prefer Plax.Manning is, IMO, the better QB. I also believe Plax has a higher ceiling than Evans.Now i have a question
WR lee evans for the bills had a good rookie season last year with drew at the QB position. Who would you rate higher, Evans with 2nd year man Losman or Plax with 2nd year Eli with more gametime experience? OR basically a toss up?
Yeah, 'cuz he sure had that effect on his previous team.Glad to see Giants sign Plax. I was worried Minnesota would sign him, Plax's attitude should help to keep the Giants in the lower section of their division :rotflmao: .
3 reasons:1. $I wonder why the steelers didn't re-sign him, da?
That would be an incredible spread for a young QB. How many 2nd year QBs spread the ball that well, giving 4 receivers between 650-800 yards each? I think you're confusing the two, Eli has the slightly better arm, but not the game-sense, at least yet. FWIW, I like the signing more for the future, when Eli will develop, than for 2005.You guys are making me laugh!![]()
I think that you are confusing Eli for his brother Peyton. Eli sucked last year statistically and with respect to W-L. He will have at least two more years of SUCKING assuming he actually comes around. He is for sure no Ryan Leaf, but he is not about to throw for 4,000 yards this year.
Plaxico will not see 1,000 yards for the 3rd straight year. I predict that Toomer, Shockey, Burress will all come in around 750 - 800 for the season with Tiki close behind them with 650 - 700.
At least that's more likely.In that case -OZ- I predict that Shockey and Burress kill each other in a dual late one night after partying, and Toomer ends up with 900 with Tiki flirting with 700.
Manning ends up with around 3,000 yards 17 TD's and 20 INTs
If Burress can play at a 1270-9 pace with Roethlisberger and the Steelers, who ran the ball more than any team in the NFL other than the Falcons, I can safely pencil a healthy Burress in for some good numbers in New York. 1100-7 seems like a minimum for him in 2005.Manning doesn't have to be great for Burress to succeed. I see more of a split like:You guys are making me laugh!![]()
I think that you are confusing Eli for his brother Peyton. Eli sucked last year statistically and with respect to W-L. He will have at least two more years of SUCKING assuming he actually comes around. He is for sure no Ryan Leaf, but he is not about to throw for 4,000 yards this year.
Plaxico will not see 1,000 yards for the 3rd straight year. I predict that Toomer, Shockey, Burress will all come in around 750 - 800 for the season with Tiki close behind them with 650 - 700.
That is incorrect. Burress' best season was in 2002 when his numbers were 78-1325-7. Toomer's best season was also 2002 when his numbers were 82-1343-8. Let's see, more catches, more yards and more touchdowns. Try again.Burress has already put up 1 season far better than Toomer's best season,
I have to say Evans. I'm still not sold on Burress being a #1 WR and Evans is much more talented IMO. Losman worries me, but with Moulds getting a lot of coverage it opens the field up for Evans. I don't think any of the Giants receivers will have the same effect for Burress. While a decent receiver, Toomer isn't the threat Ward is and Burress will struggle this year (FF-wise).I would much prefer Plax.Manning is, IMO, the better QB. I also believe Plax has a higher ceiling than Evans.Now i have a question
WR lee evans for the bills had a good rookie season last year with drew at the QB position. Who would you rate higher, Evans with 2nd year man Losman or Plax with 2nd year Eli with more gametime experience? OR basically a toss up?
Two factors at work here:1. Coughlin doesn't throw to the WRs near the goalline. 2. PIT runs a lot, but when they pass, it goes to the WRs. The RBs and TEs don't see much action in the passing game. The same cannot be said in NY, where Shockey and Barber are factors.If Burress can play at a 1270-9 pace with Roethlisberger and the Steelers, who ran the ball more than any team in the NFL other than the Falcons, I can safely pencil a healthy Burress in for some good numbers in New York. 1100-7 seems like a minimum for him in 2005.
I disagree, I think Plax is the clear #1 now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up very solid numbers as Eli's primary target.Plax will still be 2nd fiddle (3rd if you count Shockey) in the passing game.Living in NY and watching plenty of the Giants, I've seen what good "receivers" Toomer and Dropsey are.
Roll your eyes all you want, but there were several occasions last year where it looked like Eli was throwing passes at a life-size cardboard cutout of Shockey.I disagree, I think Plax is the clear #1 now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up very solid numbers as Eli's primary target.Plax will still be 2nd fiddle (3rd if you count Shockey) in the passing game.Living in NY and watching plenty of the Giants, I've seen what good "receivers" Toomer and Dropsey are.
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Oops, my bad.That is incorrect. Burress' best season was in 2002 when his numbers were 78-1325-7. Toomer's best season was also 2002 when his numbers were 82-1343-8. Let's see, more catches, more yards and more touchdowns. Try again.Burress has already put up 1 season far better than Toomer's best season,