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Burress signs with Giants (1 Viewer)

Giants | Deal Reached with Burress - from www.KFFL.comThu, 17 Mar 2005 16:36:27 -0800ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the New York Giants have reached a six-year deal with free agent WR Plaxico Burress (Steelers). The deal is worth $25 million and includes $8.25 million in guaranteed bonuses, an initial signing bonus of $5 million and a $3.25 option bonus due during the spring of 2006. The first two years of the deal have guaranteed salaries and Burress will earn $11.38 million over the first two years. Over the first three years of the deal, he will earn $14.6 million.

 
I don't think he's worth it. Thats alot of cash for somebody who hasn't proved much in the NFL so far.
Maybe, but he is just what Eli needs, and we'll finally get a chance to see what Plax is made of as a WR1...
 
I don't  think he's worth it. Thats alot of cash for somebody who hasn't proved much in the NFL so far.
Maybe, but he is just what Eli needs, and we'll finally get a chance to see what Plax is made of as a WR1...
Why did Toomer leave NY too? Plax will still be 2nd fiddle (3rd if you count Shockey) in the passing game.Toomer and Plax are the top WR FAs in our keeper league and now both their values take a hit (even more with Eli under center)

 
Plax will still be 2nd fiddle (3rd if you count Shockey) in the passing game.
I disagree, I think Plax is the clear #1 now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up very solid numbers as Eli's primary target.
 
Plax will still be 2nd fiddle (3rd if you count Shockey) in the passing game.
I disagree, I think Plax is the clear #1 now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up very solid numbers as Eli's primary target.
:thumbup: Living in NY and watching plenty of the Giants, I've seen what good "receivers" Toomer and Dropsey are.

 
I don't  think he's worth it. Thats alot of cash for somebody who hasn't proved much in the NFL so far.
Maybe, but he is just what Eli needs, and we'll finally get a chance to see what Plax is made of as a WR1...
Why did Toomer leave NY too? Plax will still be 2nd fiddle (3rd if you count Shockey) in the passing game.Toomer and Plax are the top WR FAs in our keeper league and now both their values take a hit (even more with Eli under center)
Toomer the #1, are you being serious?
 
I don't  think he's worth it. Thats alot of cash for somebody who hasn't proved much in the NFL so far.
Maybe, but he is just what Eli needs, and we'll finally get a chance to see what Plax is made of as a WR1...
Why did Toomer leave NY too? Plax will still be 2nd fiddle (3rd if you count Shockey) in the passing game.Toomer and Plax are the top WR FAs in our keeper league and now both their values take a hit (even more with Eli under center)
Toomer sucks. How many TD's last year? Plax may not be great, but it is an improvement over what they have-

 
Prior to last season Toomer had 5 straight 1,000 yard seasons. I would say his failure to reach that milestone this season can be attributed to a rookie QB and the presence of Tom Coughlin. He is not an all-pro but he does not suck. .

 
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Prior to last season Toomer had 5 straight 1,000 yard seasons. I would say his failure to reach that milestone this season can be attributed to a rookie QB and the presence of Tom Coughlin. He is not an all-pro but he does not suck. .
This is probably true.I can say categorically that Toomer is not a WR1 in an effective pass offense. He just is not enough of a threat to open up the rest of the field. Plax will draw the double teams in this offense, and Toomer will benefit nicely.

Depending on how quickly Eli can mature, and how well Plaxico can take the hear of the NY media, this could become a very nice connection in the near future...

 
Plaxco's ability to stretch the field and draw safety help along with Shockey's presense in the middle of the field, are going to help Eli be much more comfortable than he was last year. Burress has already put up 1 season far better than Toomer's best season, and he was on an even better pace in his games with Roethlisberger last year. It'll also help the running game and reduce the pressure on the offensive line if they use play action.As a passer, Eli is probably every bit as good as Roethlisberger, and he should have more time and room to throw next year. I also can say with 100% confidence that the Giants will pass more than the Steelers - especially the 2004 Steelers.I see this as a clear upgrade in Burress' value. Not like it would've been in Minnesota, but still a pretty good situation for him.

 
Plaxco's ability to stretch the field and draw safety help along with Shockey's presense in the middle of the field, are going to help Eli be much more comfortable than he was last year. Burress has already put up 1 season far better than Toomer's best season, and he was on an even better pace in his games with Roethlisberger last year. It'll also help the running game and reduce the pressure on the offensive line if they use play action.

As a passer, Eli is probably every bit as good as Roethlisberger, and he should have more time and room to throw next year. I also can say with 100% confidence that the Giants will pass more than the Steelers - especially the 2004 Steelers.

I see this as a clear upgrade in Burress' value. Not like it would've been in Minnesota, but still a pretty good situation for him.
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:thumbup: I like it. Gives Eli a threat at WR and should really help open the middle again for Shockey. They really didn't break the bank either. Pierce, MacKenzie and Burress make looking forward to next year a little easier.
 
As a Giants fan, I am VERY happy. Have to dissect the numbers, but they paid a lot, not too much.Eli NEEDS not only a great WR, but ideally a big target as well - for a young developing QB, that is just another plus. Toomer as a number 2 could have a nice year, 900 and 6 or so. I really dont know what Burress' numbers will be. My opinion is he will be far more an impact on Eli and the Giants than the fantasy world but that is fine by me.Go Giants! In a way, it isnt about how many games Buress could help the Giants win this year, or even next. But how this will help Eli become as good a QB as possible - and maybe get us a championship or two - over the course of his career.

 
I can say categorically that Toomer is not a WR1 in an effective pass offense. He just is not enough of a threat to open up the rest of the field.
Really? Then how were the Giants a top-10 passing offense (by yardage) for three years in a row before they got rid of Collins?
 
Plax will still be 2nd fiddle (3rd if you count Shockey) in the passing game.
I disagree, I think Plax is the clear #1 now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up very solid numbers as Eli's primary target.
:thumbup: Living in NY and watching plenty of the Giants, I've seen what good "receivers" Toomer and Dropsey are.
I don't think last year was representative of what kind of skill these guys have as receivers. Eli was trying to settle in and the receivers were trying to get accustomed to a new style QB on the fly. Adding Burress into the mix is only going to open Toomer up much more. This can be a dangerous offensive team next year. Only thing holding them back is Coughlin's style.

Watching the G-men late last year, it seems Shockey is Eli's favorite receiver. Adding Burress into the mix is only going to open up the middle. Eli can now use his arm strength and actually air it out... should be an interesting thing to watch

 
Plax will still be 2nd fiddle (3rd if you count Shockey) in the passing game.
I disagree, I think Plax is the clear #1 now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up very solid numbers as Eli's primary target.
:thumbup: Living in NY and watching plenty of the Giants, I've seen what good "receivers" Toomer and Dropsey are.
I don't think last year was representative of what kind of skill these guys have as receivers. Eli was trying to settle in and the receivers were trying to get accustomed to a new style QB on the fly. Adding Burress into the mix is only going to open Toomer up much more. This can be a dangerous offensive team next year. Only thing holding them back is Coughlin's style.

Watching the G-men late last year, it seems Shockey is Eli's favorite receiver. Adding Burress into the mix is only going to open up the middle. Eli can now use his arm strength and actually air it out... should be an interesting thing to watch
Eli connected with Jamaar Taylor on some nice deep passes late in the season - with Plax replacing Taylor in that situation I see tremendous improvement
 
Plax will still be 2nd fiddle (3rd if you count Shockey) in the passing game.
I disagree, I think Plax is the clear #1 now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up very solid numbers as Eli's primary target.
:thumbup: Living in NY and watching plenty of the Giants, I've seen what good "receivers" Toomer and Dropsey are.
I don't think last year was representative of what kind of skill these guys have as receivers. Eli was trying to settle in and the receivers were trying to get accustomed to a new style QB on the fly. Adding Burress into the mix is only going to open Toomer up much more. This can be a dangerous offensive team next year. Only thing holding them back is Coughlin's style.

Watching the G-men late last year, it seems Shockey is Eli's favorite receiver. Adding Burress into the mix is only going to open up the middle. Eli can now use his arm strength and actually air it out... should be an interesting thing to watch
Eli connected with Jamaar Taylor on some nice deep passes late in the season - with Plax replacing Taylor in that situation I see tremendous improvement
I agree - Eli hit those passes to Taylor perfectly - Only problem was Taylor couldn't stay on the field enough to catch more than 2 of those.... Hopefully Burress doesn't get nagging injuries like last years.
 
Plax will still be 2nd fiddle (3rd if you count Shockey) in the passing game.
I disagree, I think Plax is the clear #1 now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up very solid numbers as Eli's primary target.
:thumbup: Living in NY and watching plenty of the Giants, I've seen what good "receivers" Toomer and Dropsey are.
I don't think last year was representative of what kind of skill these guys have as receivers. Eli was trying to settle in and the receivers were trying to get accustomed to a new style QB on the fly. Adding Burress into the mix is only going to open Toomer up much more. This can be a dangerous offensive team next year. Only thing holding them back is Coughlin's style.

Watching the G-men late last year, it seems Shockey is Eli's favorite receiver. Adding Burress into the mix is only going to open up the middle. Eli can now use his arm strength and actually air it out... should be an interesting thing to watch
Agreed
 
Now i have a questionWR lee evans for the bills had a good rookie season last year with drew at the QB position. Who would you rate higher, Evans with 2nd year man Losman or Plax with 2nd year Eli with more gametime experience? OR basically a toss up?

 
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Now i have a question

WR lee evans for the bills had a good rookie season last year with drew at the QB position. Who would you rate higher, Evans with 2nd year man Losman or Plax with 2nd year Eli with more gametime experience? OR basically a toss up?
I would much prefer Plax.Manning is, IMO, the better QB. I also believe Plax has a higher ceiling than Evans.

 
It's good to see others share my sentiments, I'm fairly pleased, as a Plaxico owner, with the signing. I also have Toomer and Shockey in a different league. It should be interesting to see what happens here.The Giants, believe it or not, were my 2nd choice for Plax to sign with. :thumbup: Can Plaxico have the same effect on Shockey and Toomer as he did Ward? Toomer isn't quite Ward, but he is a very good WR. Shockey for the short pass, Plaxico goes long, and Toomer in the intermediate routes looks very good for Eli's development.The Giants are simply doing their version of what most builing teams try: get their franchise QB on year 1, year 2 get him a WR, year 3 maybe another WR or a RB. They didn't have a 1st to get their go-to guy, so they signed him.

 
Glad to see Giants sign Plax. I was worried Minnesota would sign him, Plax's attitude should help to keep the Giants in the lower section of their division :rotflmao: .

 
Glad to see Giants sign Plax. I was worried Minnesota would sign him, Plax's attitude should help to keep the Giants in the lower section of their division :rotflmao: .
Yeah, 'cuz he sure had that effect on his previous team.
 
You guys are making me laugh! :DI think that you are confusing Eli for his brother Peyton. Eli sucked last year statistically and with respect to W-L. He will have at least two more years of SUCKING assuming he actually comes around. He is for sure no Ryan Leaf, but he is not about to throw for 4,000 yards this year.Plaxico will not see 1,000 yards for the 3rd straight year. I predict that Toomer, Shockey, Burress will all come in around 750 - 800 for the season with Tiki close behind them with 650 - 700.

 
You guys are making me laugh! :D

I think that you are confusing Eli for his brother Peyton. Eli sucked last year statistically and with respect to W-L. He will have at least two more years of SUCKING assuming he actually comes around. He is for sure no Ryan Leaf, but he is not about to throw for 4,000 yards this year.

Plaxico will not see 1,000 yards for the 3rd straight year. I predict that Toomer, Shockey, Burress will all come in around 750 - 800 for the season with Tiki close behind them with 650 - 700.
That would be an incredible spread for a young QB. How many 2nd year QBs spread the ball that well, giving 4 receivers between 650-800 yards each? I think you're confusing the two, Eli has the slightly better arm, but not the game-sense, at least yet. FWIW, I like the signing more for the future, when Eli will develop, than for 2005.

 
In that case -OZ- I predict that Shockey and Burress kill each other in a dual late one night after partying, and Toomer ends up with 900 with Tiki flirting with 700.Manning ends up with around 3,000 yards 17 TD's and 20 INTs

 
In that case -OZ- I predict that Shockey and Burress kill each other in a dual late one night after partying, and Toomer ends up with 900 with Tiki flirting with 700.

Manning ends up with around 3,000 yards 17 TD's and 20 INTs
At least that's more likely. ;) Despite it being a joke, you do raise a good point, it will be interesting to see the "chemistry" between Coughlin, Eli, Shockey and Burress.

 
You guys are making me laugh! :D

I think that you are confusing Eli for his brother Peyton. Eli sucked last year statistically and with respect to W-L. He will have at least two more years of SUCKING assuming he actually comes around. He is for sure no Ryan Leaf, but he is not about to throw for 4,000 yards this year.

Plaxico will not see 1,000 yards for the 3rd straight year. I predict that Toomer, Shockey, Burress will all come in around 750 - 800 for the season with Tiki close behind them with 650 - 700.
If Burress can play at a 1270-9 pace with Roethlisberger and the Steelers, who ran the ball more than any team in the NFL other than the Falcons, I can safely pencil a healthy Burress in for some good numbers in New York. 1100-7 seems like a minimum for him in 2005.Manning doesn't have to be great for Burress to succeed. I see more of a split like:

Burress - 1150-7

Toomer - 1000-5

Shockey - 600-5

But I'd expect nothing less than this kind of analysis from you at this point! :D

 
The big winner here is Shocky IMO. While Plexiglass will stretch the field in double coverage as a legitimate down filed threat, Shocky will reap the rewards underneath and a few intermediate routes. Tiki should find a little more daylight as well as the safety is deep on Plex and a LB is chasing Shocky away from run coverage.

 
Burress has already put up 1 season far better than Toomer's best season,
That is incorrect. Burress' best season was in 2002 when his numbers were 78-1325-7. Toomer's best season was also 2002 when his numbers were 82-1343-8. Let's see, more catches, more yards and more touchdowns. Try again.
 
Now i have a question

WR lee evans for the bills had a good rookie season last year with drew at the QB position. Who would you rate higher, Evans with 2nd year man Losman or Plax with 2nd year Eli with more gametime experience? OR basically a toss up?
I would much prefer Plax.Manning is, IMO, the better QB. I also believe Plax has a higher ceiling than Evans.
I have to say Evans. I'm still not sold on Burress being a #1 WR and Evans is much more talented IMO. Losman worries me, but with Moulds getting a lot of coverage it opens the field up for Evans. I don't think any of the Giants receivers will have the same effect for Burress. While a decent receiver, Toomer isn't the threat Ward is and Burress will struggle this year (FF-wise).
 
I'll set the over/under on Plax TDs at 6.5 TDs. Jimmy Smith's career high in JAX - 8 TDs. McCardell's career high in JAX - 6 TDs. Coughlin doesn't pass to the WRs near the goalline. It's going to take a lot of luck for Plax to catch 7 or more TDs. I don't see him as the type to catch 90+ passes, either, so it's going to be tough for Burress to put up great numbers. 1100 and 6 might be reasonable, which is OK for a fantasy WR2.

 
If Burress can play at a 1270-9 pace with Roethlisberger and the Steelers, who ran the ball more than any team in the NFL other than the Falcons, I can safely pencil a healthy Burress in for some good numbers in New York. 1100-7 seems like a minimum for him in 2005.
Two factors at work here:1. Coughlin doesn't throw to the WRs near the goalline. 2. PIT runs a lot, but when they pass, it goes to the WRs. The RBs and TEs don't see much action in the passing game. The same cannot be said in NY, where Shockey and Barber are factors.
 
Plax will still be 2nd fiddle (3rd if you count Shockey) in the passing game.
I disagree, I think Plax is the clear #1 now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he puts up very solid numbers as Eli's primary target.
:thumbup: Living in NY and watching plenty of the Giants, I've seen what good "receivers" Toomer and Dropsey are.
:rolleyes:
Roll your eyes all you want, but there were several occasions last year where it looked like Eli was throwing passes at a life-size cardboard cutout of Shockey.
 
  Burress has already put up 1 season far better than Toomer's best season,
That is incorrect. Burress' best season was in 2002 when his numbers were 78-1325-7. Toomer's best season was also 2002 when his numbers were 82-1343-8. Let's see, more catches, more yards and more touchdowns. Try again.
Oops, my bad. :bag: Missed that one. Regardless, this is a boost to Plaxico's value compared to where it was in Pittsburgh. He and Toomer should make a nice pair, and the fact that Shockey and Barber should get some attention from the defenses too will open up some big plays for Burress.

 
As I stated in a previous thread on this subject, the winners in the Plax acquistion really are Shockey and Tiki, with Toomer the most adversely impacted.Toomer is like Burress-lite. Tall, fleet (maybe not so much anymore), downfield receiver who carries a 15+ypc in his career. Hilliard historically played the posession role, that is until Shockey emerged and maintained some level of health. He now has another receiver, cut from the same cloth, with a career 16ypc and suddenly Toomer becomes the posession guy? Not likely. Unless there is dramatic improvement along the O-line, Shockey will be the primary beneficiary sharing the bulk of the underneath passing with Tiki. If the o-line is improved, the upgrade at WR should stretch defenses enough to create space for Tiki to run.Either way, I see this as a benefit to Shockey and Tiki first and foremost and a significant detriment to Toomer. I honestly can't predict how Burress will fare in this offense...not yet anyway.

 
This was an important signing for Plaxico and the Giants, in my opinion. Plaxico was running out of options to be a legitimate go-to WR1 and this is a spot for him. Moreover, he's in the position to be "the guy" who potentially helps Eli Manning justify his position as the franchise cornerstone. For the Giants, who are woefully under represented in the WR corps even before the release of Ike Hilliard, Burress adds a young versatile player who's also a very good blocker. This likely extends Toomer's career a bit too as, for the first time in his professional career, he will be a WR2 and that should open up a few opportunities for him each game.As an Eagles fan, I have to applaud the Giants for this signing. I'm not sure (no one is really) whether Eli will be a legitimate QB in the league; but he's got a lot better tool set this year than it looked like he would have a few weeks ago.

 

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