Bush Nearly De-Activated In Week 12? (1 Viewer)

[JuniorNB]

You guys are calling a rookie who is sharing his touches and still on pace to have 93 catches and go over 1,100 yards a punk? I don't know why. For most people this would be a very good year. Plus, and the most important thing, he is helping his team win. There is a big reason why Colston, Henderson and Horn are having good years. It's because the opposing team is plannig their defensive game plans around Bush. This guy will still be a star in the NFL and for you that want to get off board early in his career I say thank you. I wonder if someone could find out the Saints yards per a play with Deuce in the game and then with Bush in the game. I haven't done the research but I do watch all NO games (Reggie dynasty owner) and it seems like their team flows alot better with Reggie in than Deuce. Could be wrong on that but it seems that way.

This is the most over-used, and inaccurate, excuse for his bad season in the history of fantasy football.Teams are putting one man on Bush when he flanks out. One. The same as they do every other player in the league. If a coach is playing the Saints and pays more attention game planning for Bush than they do for Brees and Colston, then they haven't been watching game films and shouldn't be NFL coordinators.

 

[packersfan]

I think before we call him a bust we should wait until he gets his turn. I would love to see how he performs when he get 20+ touches a game. Until then, I think he is perfomring as well as he can given the amount of times he touches the ball.

If you give a 2.7 yard-per-carry guy twenty rushes in a game, that's a boatload of three and outs. Believe me, they would love to give him twenty carries. He hasn't earned them.I, too, believe it's too early to call him a bust. It is not, however, too early to say that his rookie season hasn't lived up to expectations.

On pace for 1100 yards and 93 touches isn't living up to expectations while sharing th load? God, your tough.

I don't think pointing out he only is averaging 3.0 YPC and has just 1 TD from scrimmage and saying he hasn't lived up to expectations is being unfair. As a runner, Bush has been a major disappointment though again I think he is showing dramatic signs of improvement lately. But by comparison, the only rookie RB who's looked worse (of the high profile rookies) would arguably be his former teammate LenDale White. Addai, Marone, Jones-Drew and even Norwood have all looked much better running the ball. I do think the Saints expected to get a more dynamic runner than they have gotten so far. Maybe that will change in the closing weeks of the season.

 

[Bevo]

I think before we call him a bust we should wait until he gets his turn. I would love to see how he performs when he get 20+ touches a game. Until then, I think he is perfomring as well as he can given the amount of times he touches the ball.

I think it would be a good idea if every rookie were given a couple of years to develop before we tear them to shreds.

But that is not the mentality these days. Heck, in many cases players are enshrined in the Hall of Fame or doomed to the scrap heap before they are even drafted much less before they are given a season or two to learn the ropes.

The same can be said for the unwarrented praise these same players receive without ever playing a down in the NFL. We wouldn't be having this conversation if the next Gale Sayers played like Gale Sayers.

 

[JMJ]

All I ever hear Bush-apologists talk about is his catches. "He's on pace for 93 catches," etc. Most of those are "forced touches." NO will line him up and throw him a WR screen that he does nothing dazzling with. He gets a few of those per game, and virtually every RB (even the ones who split carries) still get 2-4 receptions per game.

So, if you add his 2-3 WR screens (again that he doesn't do much with) and his normal 2-4 catches per game that all RBs get, we can call that 5.5 catches per game.

5.5 X 16 games = 88 catches.

He is on pace for 93 ..... WOW! Blow me away with the impressivness.

 

[guderian]

All I ever hear Bush-apologists talk about is his catches. "He's on pace for 93 catches," etc. Most of those are "forced touches." NO will line him up and throw him a WR screen that he does nothing dazzling with. He gets a few of those per game, and virtually every RB (even the ones who split carries) still get 2-4 receptions per game.So, if you add his 2-3 WR screens (again that he doesn't do much with) and his normal 2-4 catches per game that all RBs get, we can call that 5.5 catches per game.5.5 X 16 games = 88 catches.He is on pace for 93 ..... WOW! Blow me away with the impressivness.

Yet that "nothing dazzling" somehow adds up to 431 yards receiving. Bush is on pace for over 1,100 total yards.

 

[JMJ]

All I ever hear Bush-apologists talk about is his catches. "He's on pace for 93 catches," etc. Most of those are "forced touches." NO will line him up and throw him a WR screen that he does nothing dazzling with. He gets a few of those per game, and virtually every RB (even the ones who split carries) still get 2-4 receptions per game.So, if you add his 2-3 WR screens (again that he doesn't do much with) and his normal 2-4 catches per game that all RBs get, we can call that 5.5 catches per game.5.5 X 16 games = 88 catches.He is on pace for 93 ..... WOW! Blow me away with the impressivness.

Yet that "nothing dazzling" somehow adds up to 431 yards receiving. Bush is on pace for over 1,100 total yards.

Ok, and in today's NFL, 1,100 yards is nothing. It might have been 2 or 3 years ago now but I think there were seventeen 1,000 yard rushers in the NFL that season alone. Plus countless WRs who got over 1,000 also.If you think 1,100 total yards is something to be admired over in today's NFL, especially when you are a player who gets both carries and receptions, you're just not up to speed. 1,100 yards is a good year for a pure WR, not for a RB who they go out of their way to force passes to.HTH.

 

[JBTV]

1100 yards is under 70 a game. And the 6.7 yards/catch isn't exactly impressive, especially compared with other backs (in alphabetical order).

Addai - 8.1

Tiki - 8.3

Ronnie Brown - 8.7

Dunn - 7.0

Gore - 7.8

Ahman - 8.2

SJax - 8.8

Edge - 6.0

Rudi - 5.2

JJones - 18.5

KJones - 7.3

TJones - 3.8 (on 28 catches - they should stop throwing to him)

Jamal - 5.5

Mcgahee - 8.0

FWP - 6.6

Portis - 10.0

C. Taylor - 7.1

F. Taylor - 9.8

LT2 - 9.5

Westbrook - 8.8 (on 60 catches!)

Caddy - 6.5

Now I'll grant you that the more balls you catch, the more likely your average is to go down, but the point is he isn't making much of his chances. If your main thing is catching the ball, and your yards per catch is closer to Edge/Jamal/Rudi territory than it is Westbrook/LT2/Portis territory, something is wrong. And it does support the "forced catches" theory people have been talking about. I agree it's too early to completely write him off, but there definitely seems to be adjustments in his game that need to be made.

 

[sib]

All I ever hear Bush-apologists talk about is his catches. "He's on pace for 93 catches," etc. Most of those are "forced touches." NO will line him up and throw him a WR screen that he does nothing dazzling with. He gets a few of those per game, and virtually every RB (even the ones who split carries) still get 2-4 receptions per game.So, if you add his 2-3 WR screens (again that he doesn't do much with) and his normal 2-4 catches per game that all RBs get, we can call that 5.5 catches per game.5.5 X 16 games = 88 catches.He is on pace for 93 ..... WOW! Blow me away with the impressivness.

Yet that "nothing dazzling" somehow adds up to 431 yards receiving. Bush is on pace for over 1,100 total yards.

Ok, and in today's NFL, 1,100 yards is nothing. It might have been 2 or 3 years ago now but I think there were seventeen 1,000 yard rushers in the NFL that season alone. Plus countless WRs who got over 1,000 also.If you think 1,100 total yards is something to be admired over in today's NFL, especially when you are a player who gets both carries and receptions, you're just not up to speed. 1,100 yards is a good year for a pure WR, not for a RB who they go out of their way to force passes to.HTH.

Agree..1100 yds is nothing special, but it is decent. I wonder why it is always extremes with R Bush? He's nowhere near as good (so far) as the hype would have you believe in the offseason, but he's not the bust (so far) that folks are now grumbling about.

 

[mozzy84]

All I ever hear Bush-apologists talk about is his catches. "He's on pace for 93 catches," etc. Most of those are "forced touches." NO will line him up and throw him a WR screen that he does nothing dazzling with. He gets a few of those per game, and virtually every RB (even the ones who split carries) still get 2-4 receptions per game.So, if you add his 2-3 WR screens (again that he doesn't do much with) and his normal 2-4 catches per game that all RBs get, we can call that 5.5 catches per game.5.5 X 16 games = 88 catches.He is on pace for 93 ..... WOW! Blow me away with the impressivness.

Yet that "nothing dazzling" somehow adds up to 431 yards receiving. Bush is on pace for over 1,100 total yards.

in my ppr league where we get a point for every 20 yards in return yardage. it goes, #10 MJD, #11Addai, #12Maroney, #13 bush. Just kinda wierd, 13th ranked isn't all that bad...

 

[icehouse]

All I ever hear Bush-apologists talk about is his catches. "He's on pace for 93 catches," etc. Most of those are "forced touches." NO will line him up and throw him a WR screen that he does nothing dazzling with. He gets a few of those per game, and virtually every RB (even the ones who split carries) still get 2-4 receptions per game.

So, if you add his 2-3 WR screens (again that he doesn't do much with) and his normal 2-4 catches per game that all RBs get, we can call that 5.5 catches per game.

5.5 X 16 games = 88 catches.

He is on pace for 93 ..... WOW! Blow me away with the impressivness.

Yet that "nothing dazzling" somehow adds up to 431 yards receiving. Bush is on pace for over 1,100 total yards.

Ok, and in today's NFL, 1,100 yards is nothing. It might have been 2 or 3 years ago now but I think there were seventeen 1,000 yard rushers in the NFL that season alone. Plus countless WRs who got over 1,000 also.If you think 1,100 total yards is something to be admired over in today's NFL, especially when you are a player who gets both carries and receptions, you're just not up to speed. 1,100 yards is a good year for a pure WR, not for a RB who they go out of their way to force passes to.

HTH.

Especially when your yardage per catch is average at best, and your yards per carry is poor (since you are a RB.A bunch of catches with only 1 TD (from scrimmage) for a supposedely "game=breaking" player simply shows that the team is trying their best to put the ball in your hands (to break the game open), and you aren't doing it.

 

[icehouse]

All I ever hear Bush-apologists talk about is his catches. "He's on pace for 93 catches," etc. Most of those are "forced touches." NO will line him up and throw him a WR screen that he does nothing dazzling with. He gets a few of those per game, and virtually every RB (even the ones who split carries) still get 2-4 receptions per game.So, if you add his 2-3 WR screens (again that he doesn't do much with) and his normal 2-4 catches per game that all RBs get, we can call that 5.5 catches per game.5.5 X 16 games = 88 catches.He is on pace for 93 ..... WOW! Blow me away with the impressivness.

Yet that "nothing dazzling" somehow adds up to 431 yards receiving. Bush is on pace for over 1,100 total yards.

Ok, and in today's NFL, 1,100 yards is nothing. It might have been 2 or 3 years ago now but I think there were seventeen 1,000 yard rushers in the NFL that season alone. Plus countless WRs who got over 1,000 also.If you think 1,100 total yards is something to be admired over in today's NFL, especially when you are a player who gets both carries and receptions, you're just not up to speed. 1,100 yards is a good year for a pure WR, not for a RB who they go out of their way to force passes to.HTH.

Agree..1100 yds is nothing special, but it is decent. I wonder why it is always extremes with R Bush? He's nowhere near as good (so far) as the hype would have you believe in the offseason, but he's not the bust (so far) that folks are now grumbling about.

I don't think he is a bust. Just NO WHERE near as good as folks (mainly the media) make him out to be.

 

[Blackjacks]

All I ever hear Bush-apologists talk about is his catches. "He's on pace for 93 catches," etc. Most of those are "forced touches." NO will line him up and throw him a WR screen that he does nothing dazzling with. He gets a few of those per game, and virtually every RB (even the ones who split carries) still get 2-4 receptions per game.So, if you add his 2-3 WR screens (again that he doesn't do much with) and his normal 2-4 catches per game that all RBs get, we can call that 5.5 catches per game.5.5 X 16 games = 88 catches.He is on pace for 93 ..... WOW! Blow me away with the impressivness.

Yet that "nothing dazzling" somehow adds up to 431 yards receiving. Bush is on pace for over 1,100 total yards.

Ok, and in today's NFL, 1,100 yards is nothing. It might have been 2 or 3 years ago now but I think there were seventeen 1,000 yard rushers in the NFL that season alone. Plus countless WRs who got over 1,000 also.If you think 1,100 total yards is something to be admired over in today's NFL, especially when you are a player who gets both carries and receptions, you're just not up to speed. 1,100 yards is a good year for a pure WR, not for a RB who they go out of their way to force passes to.HTH.

1100 yards is impressive when your splitting time with another running back.

 

[Buckna]

All I ever hear Bush-apologists talk about is his catches. "He's on pace for 93 catches," etc. Most of those are "forced touches." NO will line him up and throw him a WR screen that he does nothing dazzling with. He gets a few of those per game, and virtually every RB (even the ones who split carries) still get 2-4 receptions per game.So, if you add his 2-3 WR screens (again that he doesn't do much with) and his normal 2-4 catches per game that all RBs get, we can call that 5.5 catches per game.5.5 X 16 games = 88 catches.He is on pace for 93 ..... WOW! Blow me away with the impressivness.

Yet that "nothing dazzling" somehow adds up to 431 yards receiving. Bush is on pace for over 1,100 total yards.

Ok, and in today's NFL, 1,100 yards is nothing. It might have been 2 or 3 years ago now but I think there were seventeen 1,000 yard rushers in the NFL that season alone. Plus countless WRs who got over 1,000 also.If you think 1,100 total yards is something to be admired over in today's NFL, especially when you are a player who gets both carries and receptions, you're just not up to speed. 1,100 yards is a good year for a pure WR, not for a RB who they go out of their way to force passes to.HTH.

1100 yards is impressive when your splitting time with another running back.

Maybe if that was rushing only or if this was a traditonal "splitting time" situation. I think we can say many of his receptions aren't coming in a traditional 3rd down back or in relief backup type roles.

 

[Two Deep]

I think before we call him a bust we should wait until he gets his turn. I would love to see how he performs when he get 20+ touches a game. Until then, I think he is perfomring as well as he can given the amount of times he touches the ball.

I think it would be a good idea if every rookie were given a couple of years to develop before we tear them to shreds.

But that is not the mentality these days. Heck, in many cases players are enshrined in the Hall of Fame or doomed to the scrap heap before they are even drafted much less before they are given a season or two to learn the ropes.

The same can be said for the unwarrented praise these same players receive without ever playing a down in the NFL. We wouldn't be having this conversation if the next Gale Sayers played like Gale Sayers.

Yeah missed that on the first read through, but I think we both agree the wait and see attitude is needed before annointing someone the next great thing or bust.

 

[Bevo]

I think before we call him a bust we should wait until he gets his turn. I would love to see how he performs when he get 20+ touches a game. Until then, I think he is perfomring as well as he can given the amount of times he touches the ball.

I think it would be a good idea if every rookie were given a couple of years to develop before we tear them to shreds.

But that is not the mentality these days. Heck, in many cases players are enshrined in the Hall of Fame or doomed to the scrap heap before they are even drafted much less before they are given a season or two to learn the ropes.

The same can be said for the unwarrented praise these same players receive without ever playing a down in the NFL. We wouldn't be having this conversation if the next Gale Sayers played like Gale Sayers.

Yeah missed that on the first read through, but I think we both agree the wait and see attitude is needed before annointing someone the next great thing or bust.

 

[Liquid Tension]

I think before we call him a bust we should wait until he gets his turn. I would love to see how he performs when he get 20+ touches a game. Until then, I think he is perfomring as well as he can given the amount of times he touches the ball.

without knowing the specifics, i thought he did touch it about 20 times per game??? about 8-12 carries and 7-10 catches? am i wrong???

Bush is getting 15.7 touches per game; just under 80% of this all important 20 touches per game threshold.

 

[softball]

I wish we could go back in time and deactivate Bush' before he decided to go into Iraq ..

I wish we could go back in time and deactivate Osama and Saddam before they killed thousands of people.

Damn right, how quick people are to forget. And of course to overlook the FACT that Saddam had killed NO LESS than 80,000 of HIS OWN PEOPLE...But it's a "drive thru memory" world we live in where the good guys are bad, and the bad guys are just frustrated good people...Reggie Bush is good, he needs more time and I honestly believe more pounds to be a really successful guy. Everyones fast in the NFL. Power AND speed seperate the best from the mediocre

 

[slickwillie]

Bush is just not that good.

Can anyone say, "Desmond Howard?"

i said it when he was drafted........ERIC METCALF REBORN

So you're saying he's destined to play slot receiver for the Falcons?

no, that would be mike vicks spot eventually , bush is the great open field runner, who cant get to the open field unless its by catching a pass, just like the aformentioned metcalf.....

 

[Liquid Tension]

1100 yards is under 70 a game. And the 6.7 yards/catch isn't exactly impressive, especially compared with other backs (in alphabetical order).Addai - 8.1Tiki - 8.3Ronnie Brown - 8.7Dunn - 7.0Gore - 7.8Ahman - 8.2SJax - 8.8Edge - 6.0Rudi - 5.2JJones - 18.5KJones - 7.3TJones - 3.8 (on 28 catches - they should stop throwing to him)Jamal - 5.5Mcgahee - 8.0FWP - 6.6Portis - 10.0C. Taylor - 7.1F. Taylor - 9.8LT2 - 9.5Westbrook - 8.8 (on 60 catches!)Caddy - 6.5Now I'll grant you that the more balls you catch, the more likely your average is to go down, but the point is he isn't making much of his chances. If your main thing is catching the ball, and your yards per catch is closer to Edge/Jamal/Rudi territory than it is Westbrook/LT2/Portis territory, something is wrong. And it does support the "forced catches" theory people have been talking about. I agree it's too early to completely write him off, but there definitely seems to be adjustments in his game that need to be made.

Good and fair stats to make a good analysis. Bush has not done a ton with his catches, BUT, from what I have seen he has only dropped 1 or 2 passes (someone must have this). I am not a big NO fan, but do have Bush on my team. I would like to see drops for the same RB's. The point is that fantasy wise he is not good, I guess OK in PPR leagues (another reason why PPR is just silly), but NFL wise having a guy who is glue handed out of the backfield can move the chains when it "guarantees you 6 yards a swing pass as he beats guys to the corner. Not to belabor the point, but someone mentioned that Bush receives the same attention as any RB going out n a swing pass and I would disagree. If you just took your middle linebacker and made him responsible, Bush would get that corner most every time and then make the LB miss sometimes as well. You need to put someone with more speed on him and teams need to be aware as his speed becomes a weapon to defend. Not saying Bush has even been close to the hype machine, but to dismiss his speed is not being fair. BTW, I was one of those people who was critical of the folks who said Bush would come in and be a stud for play one. I said with Deuce on the team Reggie would have a much weaker fantasy year than a few other rookie RB's. People really underestimated Deuce's ability.

 

[packersfan]

I was wrong about Bush's fantasy prospects this season. The two main reasons for my mistake have been:

1. Bush has been very poor for most of the season running with the ball.

2. McAllister has stayed healthy.

I did not see either of these happening. I've been shocked at how bad Bush has been running the ball most of this season (though again I believe he's looking much better of late) and I never thought McAllister - a player who had durability issues before suffering a major knee injury - would make it through the season unscathed. I thought McAllister would miss 2-3 games as he usually does and Bush would put up some big numbers in those games. But McAllister has stayed healthy; Bush has been very underwhelming as a runner and that in large part has contributed to Bush not equaling the value I placed on him heading into the season.

 

[Otis]

A little early to be declaring the kid a bust. Give him time.

 

[JBTV]

1100 yards is under 70 a game. And the 6.7 yards/catch isn't exactly impressive, especially compared with other backs (in alphabetical order).

Addai - 8.1

Tiki - 8.3

Ronnie Brown - 8.7

Dunn - 7.0

Gore - 7.8

Ahman - 8.2

SJax - 8.8

Edge - 6.0

Rudi - 5.2

JJones - 18.5

KJones - 7.3

TJones - 3.8 (on 28 catches - they should stop throwing to him)

Jamal - 5.5

Mcgahee - 8.0

FWP - 6.6

Portis - 10.0

C. Taylor - 7.1

F. Taylor - 9.8

LT2 - 9.5

Westbrook - 8.8 (on 60 catches!)

Caddy - 6.5

Now I'll grant you that the more balls you catch, the more likely your average is to go down, but the point is he isn't making much of his chances. If your main thing is catching the ball, and your yards per catch is closer to Edge/Jamal/Rudi territory than it is Westbrook/LT2/Portis territory, something is wrong. And it does support the "forced catches" theory people have been talking about. I agree it's too early to completely write him off, but there definitely seems to be adjustments in his game that need to be made.

Good and fair stats to make a good analysis. Bush has not done a ton with his catches, BUT, from what I have seen he has only dropped 1 or 2 passes (someone must have this). I am not a big NO fan, but do have Bush on my team. I would like to see drops for the same RB's. The point is that fantasy wise he is not good, I guess OK in PPR leagues (another reason why PPR is just silly), but NFL wise having a guy who is glue handed out of the backfield can move the chains when it "guarantees you 6 yards a swing pass as he beats guys to the corner. Not to belabor the point, but someone mentioned that Bush receives the same attention as any RB going out n a swing pass and I would disagree. If you just took your middle linebacker and made him responsible, Bush would get that corner most every time and then make the LB miss sometimes as well. You need to put someone with more speed on him and teams need to be aware as his speed becomes a weapon to defend. Not saying Bush has even been close to the hype machine, but to dismiss his speed is not being fair.

BTW, I was one of those people who was critical of the folks who said Bush would come in and be a stud for play one. I said with Deuce on the team Reggie would have a much weaker fantasy year than a few other rookie RB's. People really underestimated Deuce's ability.

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2006/0...13rbtargets.phpLooks like Bush catches 74% of his targets, which is about average among the top reception guys. Westbrook 74%, SJax 81%, Jones 76%, LT 73%, Tiki 73%, Gore 73%. And he trails all of them in YPC by over a yard a catch. At some point we've just got to face it that he's just not as good as advertised.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

1100 yards is under 70 a game. And the 6.7 yards/catch isn't exactly impressive, especially compared with other backs (in alphabetical order).

Addai - 8.1

Tiki - 8.3

Ronnie Brown - 8.7

Dunn - 7.0

Gore - 7.8

Ahman - 8.2

SJax - 8.8

Edge - 6.0

Rudi - 5.2

JJones - 18.5

KJones - 7.3

TJones - 3.8 (on 28 catches - they should stop throwing to him)

Jamal - 5.5

Mcgahee - 8.0

FWP - 6.6

Portis - 10.0

C. Taylor - 7.1

F. Taylor - 9.8

LT2 - 9.5

Westbrook - 8.8 (on 60 catches!)

Caddy - 6.5

Now I'll grant you that the more balls you catch, the more likely your average is to go down, but the point is he isn't making much of his chances. If your main thing is catching the ball, and your yards per catch is closer to Edge/Jamal/Rudi territory than it is Westbrook/LT2/Portis territory, something is wrong. And it does support the "forced catches" theory people have been talking about. I agree it's too early to completely write him off, but there definitely seems to be adjustments in his game that need to be made.

Good and fair stats to make a good analysis. Bush has not done a ton with his catches, BUT, from what I have seen he has only dropped 1 or 2 passes (someone must have this). I am not a big NO fan, but do have Bush on my team. I would like to see drops for the same RB's. The point is that fantasy wise he is not good, I guess OK in PPR leagues (another reason why PPR is just silly), but NFL wise having a guy who is glue handed out of the backfield can move the chains when it "guarantees you 6 yards a swing pass as he beats guys to the corner. Not to belabor the point, but someone mentioned that Bush receives the same attention as any RB going out n a swing pass and I would disagree. If you just took your middle linebacker and made him responsible, Bush would get that corner most every time and then make the LB miss sometimes as well. You need to put someone with more speed on him and teams need to be aware as his speed becomes a weapon to defend. Not saying Bush has even been close to the hype machine, but to dismiss his speed is not being fair.

BTW, I was one of those people who was critical of the folks who said Bush would come in and be a stud for play one. I said with Deuce on the team Reggie would have a much weaker fantasy year than a few other rookie RB's. People really underestimated Deuce's ability.

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2006/0...13rbtargets.phpLooks like Bush catches 74% of his targets, which is about average among the top reception guys. Westbrook 74%, SJax 81%, Jones 76%, LT 73%, Tiki 73%, Gore 73%. And he trails all of them in YPC by over a yard a catch. At some point we've just got to face it that he's just not as good as advertised.

I believe he asked for drops, catch % is a terrible and completely useless stat here. Bush gets a lot of his catches 8-10 yards downfield, something that can't be said for most all of those other guys who usually are just catching swing passes and screens around the LoS and running.I have no problem w/ people calling Bush a bust this year, but his hands are unbelievable and from what I've seen this year I'll totally buy into that notion that everyone was saying about how Bush would've still been a 1st round pick as a WR.

 

[JuniorNB]

1100 yards is under 70 a game. And the 6.7 yards/catch isn't exactly impressive, especially compared with other backs (in alphabetical order).

Addai - 8.1

Tiki - 8.3

Ronnie Brown - 8.7

Dunn - 7.0

Gore - 7.8

Ahman - 8.2

SJax - 8.8

Edge - 6.0

Rudi - 5.2

JJones - 18.5

KJones - 7.3

TJones - 3.8 (on 28 catches - they should stop throwing to him)

Jamal - 5.5

Mcgahee - 8.0

FWP - 6.6

Portis - 10.0

C. Taylor - 7.1

F. Taylor - 9.8

LT2 - 9.5

Westbrook - 8.8 (on 60 catches!)

Caddy - 6.5

Now I'll grant you that the more balls you catch, the more likely your average is to go down, but the point is he isn't making much of his chances. If your main thing is catching the ball, and your yards per catch is closer to Edge/Jamal/Rudi territory than it is Westbrook/LT2/Portis territory, something is wrong. And it does support the "forced catches" theory people have been talking about. I agree it's too early to completely write him off, but there definitely seems to be adjustments in his game that need to be made.

Good and fair stats to make a good analysis. Bush has not done a ton with his catches, BUT, from what I have seen he has only dropped 1 or 2 passes (someone must have this). I am not a big NO fan, but do have Bush on my team. I would like to see drops for the same RB's. The point is that fantasy wise he is not good, I guess OK in PPR leagues (another reason why PPR is just silly), but NFL wise having a guy who is glue handed out of the backfield can move the chains when it "guarantees you 6 yards a swing pass as he beats guys to the corner. Not to belabor the point, but someone mentioned that Bush receives the same attention as any RB going out n a swing pass and I would disagree. If you just took your middle linebacker and made him responsible, Bush would get that corner most every time and then make the LB miss sometimes as well. You need to put someone with more speed on him and teams need to be aware as his speed becomes a weapon to defend. Not saying Bush has even been close to the hype machine, but to dismiss his speed is not being fair.

BTW, I was one of those people who was critical of the folks who said Bush would come in and be a stud for play one. I said with Deuce on the team Reggie would have a much weaker fantasy year than a few other rookie RB's. People really underestimated Deuce's ability.

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2006/0...13rbtargets.phpLooks like Bush catches 74% of his targets, which is about average among the top reception guys. Westbrook 74%, SJax 81%, Jones 76%, LT 73%, Tiki 73%, Gore 73%. And he trails all of them in YPC by over a yard a catch. At some point we've just got to face it that he's just not as good as advertised.

I believe he asked for drops, catch % is a terrible and completely useless stat here. Bush gets a lot of his catches 8-10 yards downfield, something that can't be said for most all of those other guys who usually are just catching swing passes and screens around the LoS and running.I have no problem w/ people calling Bush a bust this year, but his hands are unbelievable and from what I've seen this year I'll totally buy into that notion that everyone was saying about how Bush would've still been a 1st round pick as a WR.

Catching passes in the flats are about as difficult as a punter catching a long snap. I don't see many of those dropped, either.If The Saints wanted him to, Bush could have 200 receptions. So could Tiki. So could S. Jackson. It's not an impressive stat. They are force feeding him the ball in space, because he's finding it difficult to find it himself, judging by his yards per carry.

 

[Liquid Tension]

1100 yards is under 70 a game. And the 6.7 yards/catch isn't exactly impressive, especially compared with other backs (in alphabetical order).

Addai - 8.1

Tiki - 8.3

Ronnie Brown - 8.7

Dunn - 7.0

Gore - 7.8

Ahman - 8.2

SJax - 8.8

Edge - 6.0

Rudi - 5.2

JJones - 18.5

KJones - 7.3

TJones - 3.8 (on 28 catches - they should stop throwing to him)

Jamal - 5.5

Mcgahee - 8.0

FWP - 6.6

Portis - 10.0

C. Taylor - 7.1

F. Taylor - 9.8

LT2 - 9.5

Westbrook - 8.8 (on 60 catches!)

Caddy - 6.5

Now I'll grant you that the more balls you catch, the more likely your average is to go down, but the point is he isn't making much of his chances. If your main thing is catching the ball, and your yards per catch is closer to Edge/Jamal/Rudi territory than it is Westbrook/LT2/Portis territory, something is wrong. And it does support the "forced catches" theory people have been talking about. I agree it's too early to completely write him off, but there definitely seems to be adjustments in his game that need to be made.

Good and fair stats to make a good analysis. Bush has not done a ton with his catches, BUT, from what I have seen he has only dropped 1 or 2 passes (someone must have this). I am not a big NO fan, but do have Bush on my team. I would like to see drops for the same RB's. The point is that fantasy wise he is not good, I guess OK in PPR leagues (another reason why PPR is just silly), but NFL wise having a guy who is glue handed out of the backfield can move the chains when it "guarantees you 6 yards a swing pass as he beats guys to the corner. Not to belabor the point, but someone mentioned that Bush receives the same attention as any RB going out n a swing pass and I would disagree. If you just took your middle linebacker and made him responsible, Bush would get that corner most every time and then make the LB miss sometimes as well. You need to put someone with more speed on him and teams need to be aware as his speed becomes a weapon to defend. Not saying Bush has even been close to the hype machine, but to dismiss his speed is not being fair.

BTW, I was one of those people who was critical of the folks who said Bush would come in and be a stud for play one. I said with Deuce on the team Reggie would have a much weaker fantasy year than a few other rookie RB's. People really underestimated Deuce's ability.

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2006/0...13rbtargets.phpLooks like Bush catches 74% of his targets, which is about average among the top reception guys. Westbrook 74%, SJax 81%, Jones 76%, LT 73%, Tiki 73%, Gore 73%. And he trails all of them in YPC by over a yard a catch. At some point we've just got to face it that he's just not as good as advertised.

I believe he asked for drops, catch % is a terrible and completely useless stat here. Bush gets a lot of his catches 8-10 yards downfield, something that can't be said for most all of those other guys who usually are just catching swing passes and screens around the LoS and running.I have no problem w/ people calling Bush a bust this year, but his hands are unbelievable and from what I've seen this year I'll totally buy into that notion that everyone was saying about how Bush would've still been a 1st round pick as a WR.

Can't have it both ways though. The stats show that his % isn't higher so your argument is that he has more balls thrown farther down field and this is why his % is about the same. If that is the case than why is his YPC one of the lowest in the NFL?

 

[packersfan]

Bush is just not that good.

Still way too early to say, but with each passing week, it sure seems like the hype machine was blasted way too loudly.

The last few weeks I think he's looked better than he has all season long. He's running with more authority, more assertiveness and awareness. He had two real nice runs last week against the Falcons that I don't think he would've made a month or so ago. So I think he's actually getting better with each passing week.

I still think this is the case.

 

[Buckna]

All I ever hear Bush-apologists talk about is his catches. "He's on pace for 93 catches," etc. Most of those are "forced touches." NO will line him up and throw him a WR screen that he does nothing dazzling with. He gets a few of those per game, and virtually every RB (even the ones who split carries) still get 2-4 receptions per game.So, if you add his 2-3 WR screens (again that he doesn't do much with) and his normal 2-4 catches per game that all RBs get, we can call that 5.5 catches per game.5.5 X 16 games = 88 catches.He is on pace for 93 ..... WOW! Blow me away with the impressivness.

Yet that "nothing dazzling" somehow adds up to 431 yards receiving. Bush is on pace for over 1,100 total yards.

Ok, and in today's NFL, 1,100 yards is nothing. It might have been 2 or 3 years ago now but I think there were seventeen 1,000 yard rushers in the NFL that season alone. Plus countless WRs who got over 1,000 also.If you think 1,100 total yards is something to be admired over in today's NFL, especially when you are a player who gets both carries and receptions, you're just not up to speed. 1,100 yards is a good year for a pure WR, not for a RB who they go out of their way to force passes to.HTH.

1100 yards is impressive when your splitting time with another running back.

Maybe if that was rushing only or if this was a traditonal "splitting time" situation. I think we can say many of his receptions aren't coming in a traditional 3rd down back or in relief backup type roles.

Kid looked good today. Showed some of those nice moves he had at the collegiate level making defenders miss. Still made some bonehead rookie mistakes but on the whole those were made up for with a couple of very good big plays.

 

[Penguin]

Adam Kaplan just reported on Sirius NFL radio that Bush is experiencing shoulder soreness and will be x-rayed on Monday

 

[gman74]

decapatated would be nice